#Orphic: ~workshop new
+BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
 Allstar124☆: reflect type with hp ground
#Orphic: uh, firstly
#Orphic: lets pick a core
#Orphic: sets last fam ;)
 venomben: I'm assuming we want something that can spread stats
 Allstar124☆: haunter+barrier mushy?
 shaneghoul: specz
 venomben: status*
 Aladyyn: haunter + sd sawsbuck
 Aladyyn: best core
 venomben: maybe haunter and fisk
 carcy: Lol
@NotNova: Hmm
@NotNova: DBond Haunter + a CM Psychic maybe?
 lolbro: why dont we focus on beating haunter's offensive and defensive checks
#Orphic: yo why does
 lolbro: *or
#Orphic: haunter + sd buck
#Orphic: sound good
 TTFTW: it doesn't
 TTFTW: lol
+evann: nah you run
#Orphic: :(
+evann: LO boom haunter
 carcy: Haunter cm mesprit?
 TTFTW: run
 TTFTW: sucker punch haunter
 venomben: i got it
 TTFTW: fire
 venomben: SS miltank
#Orphic: haunter cm mesprit could work
+evann: sucker punch on weak special attackers iss
#Orphic: or just haunter + skunk lure
+evann: my thing
+evann: :/
#Orphic: done
 venomben: wait that wouldn't help actually one sec
 TTFTW: ;/
 carcy: Haunter mr meme
@NotNova: What could a skunk lure be, guys?
 carcy: !
 Easy to Understand: haunter+slow turn/switch
 lolbro: boom shift
#Orphic: haunter + boom shiftry
@NotNova: I've been using Boom Shiftry lately
#Orphic: :o
@NotNova: It's fun :)
@Shadestep: explosion shiftry yea
 lolbro: double snipe
 HJAD: reflect type wisp split hex
 HJAD: :o
 TTFTW: :o
 venomben: something that can block dark psychic and ghost
#Orphic: shiftry^^
 lolbro: why do hjad and ttftw have the same color
 HJAD: hes more yellow
 Allstar124☆: HJAD is more black
 Easy to Understand: Vullaby :^]
 HJAD: im more puke
 TTFTW: why does that haunter lose
 TTFTW: to megadino
 TTFTW: ..
 lolbro: it doesnt
 venomben: it doesn
#Orphic: okay dudes i think we're going with Haunter + shiftry
#Orphic: for our core
 Allstar124☆: because megadino is broken
 venomben: wait
 shaneghoul: what's the haunter set
@NotNova: Sounds good?
 venomben: i think i got a better one
 HJAD: Who switches mega dino in on haunter..
#Orphic: shaneghoul i think LO
#Orphic: or specs tbh
 gurdurrtothetop: sounds good man
 venomben: hydreigon's dev
 shaneghoul: specs is fun
 venomben: zwei
 Allstar124☆: LO seems better
#Orphic: i'd rather do sets at the end, mostly, but its offensive
#Orphic: and defo boom shiftry
 lolbro: lo seems better
 Allstar124☆: so you're not locked into moves
 lolbro: cuz you can use reflect type
 shaneghoul: lo is probably better yea
 venomben: wait
 shaneghoul: but specs is more fun
#Orphic: specs bops things
#Orphic: but lo is fun
#Orphic: too
 HJAD: I think its important
 HJAD: to think of the set
 venomben: pawnaird
 HJAD: you want to win with
 TTFTW: use sub disable
 TTFTW: the best
 Allstar124☆: reflect type hp ground
 HJAD: then build the rest like a skeleton
@NotNova: Yeah, for our core we could start with sets
 Allstar124☆: better set
 HJAD: then fi it out
@NotNova: And build from that
 venomben: we can definitely go haunter and pawnaird
@NotNova: So what Haunter set? :)
 gurdurrtothetop: would something like sub disable wow wave be terrible?
 lolbro: wisp reflect type imo
 HJAD: I like the idea of specs
 TTFTW: subdisable
 HJAD: but i LOVE reflect type
 lucianvega: sub split is cool 2
 carcy: Sub disable or taunt dbond
 carcy: Imo
 Easy to Understand: Does Klinklang pair up well with Haunter?
#Orphic: taunt dbond sounds fun as hell
#Orphic: like
#Orphic: in a core with boom shiftry
 Easy to Understand: With like volt switch
#Orphic: just getting kills
 lolbro: why are we building our core with a sack
 lolbro: two sacks
 Allstar124☆: ^
 lolbro: they both lure the same mons too
 venomben: ^
 lolbro: p much
#Orphic: tru
 venomben: pawnaird
 HJAD: i agree with brolol
 venomben: it works better
+evann: you guys arent really considering what you want to do w/ haunter while picking a set
+evann: do you want to lure something? do you want something to lure for haunter etc
+evann: youre lacking
 Easy to Understand: If they both lure the same pokemon we add a third that sweeps and we got a good offense tbh
+evann: direction rn
#Orphic: shiftry is luring for haunter, was the intention
 venomben: its not suicidal and can take on anything that threatens haunter
#Orphic: which is why i think life orb
 HJAD: i think we lack a haunter set
#Orphic: 3 attacks is good
 lolbro: [14:09:04] lolbro: why dont we focus on beating haunter's offensive and defensive checks
 Allstar124☆: we need a set first
 HJAD: we cant build a team without knowing the set
+evann: well thats hard cause
+evann: anything faster
+evann: checks haunter
 venomben: ok i have an idea
+evann: b/c of how frail it is
 HJAD: haunter functions as an epic glass cannon
 lolbro: so we can build with speed control in mind
+evann: i think itd probably be a better team if you used haunter to lure for smth else
+evann: cause its never gonna clean
+evann: against a well built team
 lolbro: what does it lure though
 lolbro: skunk
 HJAD: skunks
 HJAD: yama
 Easy to Understand: What about a Lanturn?
@Shadestep: i ilke the idea of specs a lot
 HJAD: same
 HJAD: specs+ voltturn sounds
@Shadestep: yep
 HJAD: interesting
 lolbro: what about
 HJAD: because it can threaten a lot thanks to movepool
 venomben: this is a good core
 venomben: http://pastebin.com/gFt99MXC
@Shadestep: yea HJAD
 lolbro: LO Dbond+Crosprit
@notnova: So
@notnova: LO DBond with taunt + Boom Shiftry?
 venomben: a moderately offensive haunter that can take a hit
 venomben: and reflect type
 Easy to Understand: Haunter/Mesprit/Lanturn tbh
 HJAD: magbe not crosprit
 venomben: stacked with a pokemon that spreads a ton of status
@notnova: Hmm
 carcy: Lo dbond with sd or even np shiftry?
 HJAD: defensive rocks sounds a nice idea
 venomben: thank you
@notnova: I wouldn't be opposed to Sprit
 HJAD: because uturn yellow magic
@notnova: With the above core
 HJAD: if xatu wnats to come in
 lolbro: why would we use dbond haunter with defensive sprit
 HJAD: we get a free wallbreaking oppurtuinity
 HJAD: with haunter
 venomben: sprit and haunter share the same weaknesses
 lolbro: the point is to kill skunks
 Easy to Understand: set isn't decided yet Lolbro
 lolbro: ik
 venomben: both get wrecked by dark types like skunk
 venomben: and ghost types like haunter
 HJAD: thats why we have
 lolbro: thats what dbond is for
 HJAD: 6 slots
 HJAD: and not 2
 lolbro: and that
@notnova: Hmm
@notnova: So what are the options so far?
 venomben: alright but if we are making a core we don't want them to both get hit by the same thing
@notnova: For our second partner
 venomben: i vote stunfisk
@Shadestep: how about CM xatu
 HJAD: me for mesprit
@notnova: I mean it's supposed to be an offensive core
@notnova: So
 lolbro: i second hjad
 lolbro: with mesprit
 Easy to Understand: stunfisk is a qt tbh
 venomben: nova if its offensive this works: http://pastebin.com/gFt99MXC
 carcy: Wait, haunter np pard?
&ryan: the whole idea of the core is to use one to lure in the other's counters
&ryan: it wouldn't work if they didn't share that weakness
 lolbro: ^
@notnova: Indeed
 lolbro: thats why something like dbond+crosprit makes sense
@notnova: I don't think stunfisk is right for a second partner
 lolbro: or specs
 HJAD: I think mes goes hand in hand with haunter
 venomben: ok
 Easy to Understand: can Mesprit cripple skuntank enough that it's no longer a threat?
@notnova: We want to lure with Haunter or for it
 venomben: then SD Pawn
 HJAD: if we use
 HJAD: Lo dbond + crosprit
 HJAD: it works
@notnova: Sounds fun
 HJAD: and if we use specs + bulky uturn
 HJAD: it also works
@notnova: Anyone else for it?
@Shadestep: i dig specs + bulky uturn
 lolbro: poll it
 lolbro: imo
 venomben: that works
 HJAD: It just gives u most freedom all around
#Orphic: hey dudes
&ryan: are you talking about
&ryan: specs haunter
#Orphic: sorry i had to step away for a bit
 lolbro: y
 HJAD: yus
@notnova: Specs Haunter is a bit
&ryan: use lo
@notnova: Eh
 lolbro: ryan they are
&ryan: it's just better
#Orphic: nah
#Orphic: use LO
#Orphic: with boom shiftry
@notnova: LO is better bc Sludge Bomb
#Orphic: for skunk
#Orphic: that works
 lolbro: orphic
@notnova: We stepped away from Shiftry Orphic
&ryan: lo lets you run utility like wisp/taunt/dbond/sub
#Orphic: ah
 lolbro: we've been talking about with mesprit
#Orphic: sorry, catch me up
@notnova: People wanted to lure with the Haunter
@Shadestep: did i do this correctly
 lolbro: y
@Quite Quiet: don't use specs haunter
@Quite Quiet: please
 gurdurrtothetop: what is crosprit?
&ryan: also the only offensive moves you need on haunter are its stabs
 lolbro: look even the guy who doesnt play mons
 carcy: Rest talk cm mesprit
 lolbro: knows
 HJAD: cm restalk monopsychic
@Shadestep: calm mind rest sleep talk
#Orphic: Gurdurr to the top, rest talk
 gurdurrtothetop: o ok thx
 lolbro: its crocune
 lolbro: but mono psychic
#Orphic: what other moves do we want, taunt + dbond?
 lolbro: stabs
@notnova: O evan left
@Quite Quiet: but ryan, hp ground is cool :^)
@notnova: I think Taunt DBond is.cool
&ryan: wisp is better tho
 HJAD: I think we want
&ryan: at beating on skunk
#Orphic: wisp dbond, wisp taunt
&ryan: shadow ball does plenty to common steels
 HJAD: Double Stab Dbond Wisp?
#Orphic: many options
@Shadestep: wisp dbond double stab?
&ryan: taunt beats ferroseed if you want it to
#Orphic: yeah
@notnova: Hmm
@notnova: Okay, sure
@Shadestep: yo me n HJAD
 HJAD: lol shade
#Orphic: ahh ffs
@Shadestep: great minds think alike
@notnova: Are we final on that?
 lolbro: we could also
 lolbro: go
@notnova: The Haunter set?
&ryan: you can also use lo haunter / u-turn mesprit
@Shadestep: yea i like that ryan
 lolbro: dbond stabs and leave the option between wisp and taunt
 lolbro: until after
@notnova: Okay, let's try again then
#Orphic: yeah same
#Orphic: i like that
#Orphic: with bulky u-turn
 HJAD: i guess haunters efforts arent breaking for a wincon
 HJAD: with ryans idea
 venomben: so wait what is crocune
 HJAD: but it maximises haunters use
@notnova: Hmm
@notnova: I'll poll it
 HJAD: which is the difference between the two options
 venomben: i though something like this might work wit the bulky turn mesprit
 venomben: http://pastebin.com/PALMxZXq
 lolbro: hjad we could build it that way
 venomben: though signal beam is pointless
#Orphic: i'd really like to not use pawniard
 lolbro: ^
 Allstar124☆: ^
 venomben: ok
#Orphic: since it's awful
 venomben: hey its amazing <3
#Orphic: i misvoted
#Orphic: sigh
 blaziken1337: I wouldn't call it awful
 blaziken1337: it needs low kick though
 Easy to Understand: welp
@notnova: Oh woe
 lolbro: it has
 Easy to Understand: that hot 50/50
@Shadestep: you can do /vote 1 or /vote 2
@notnova: Neck for neck
#Orphic: NotNova
 lolbro: low sweep
#Orphic: my vote was meant to be
 lolbro: "^)
@Shadestep: if u dont wanna misclick on accident
#Orphic: for u-turn
#Orphic: so
#Orphic: D:
@Shadestep: its 7-5 then
#Orphic: yeah
 lolbro: mhm
 HJAD: if we go
 HJAD: uturn
@notnova: Anyone else wanna vote?
 HJAD: we can do some vollturn stuffs
#Orphic: yes
 HJAD: with like lanturn
#Orphic: i think so
@notnova: We can
@notnova: Haunter is a great wallbreaker
@notnova: So it fits on voltturn imo
@notnova: U-turn it is
 HJAD: mes also learns
 HJAD: yellow magic
@Shadestep: lol
 HJAD: idk if u wana run yellow magic or gknot
#Orphic: that can help haunter definitely
@notnova: Easy
 Easy to Understand: Yes?
 HJAD: gknot lets it beat
 HJAD: steelix
#Orphic: uh, gknot beats lix and aggron i suppose
@notnova: So are we using physically defensive or offensive?
@Shadestep: phys def imo!
@notnova: Do we wanna take the balance voltturn route or the offensive route?
#Orphic: i think physically defensive
 HJAD: phys def bulky with rocks
#Orphic: ^^
#Orphic: balance route
 venomben: I'm confused if this is a workshop aren't you supposed to tell us what to do?
 lolbro: no
 venomben: lol
#Orphic: no
 lolbro: we're doing it together
#Orphic: we build
@notnova: We like to get discussion going!
#Orphic: as a community
 venomben: ok
 lolbro: why dont we use
 lolbro: offensive uturn mes
@Shadestep: so SR/ Pyshock / Grass Knot / U-turn
@Shadestep: ???
 HJAD: Im one for
#Orphic: psyshock?
@notnova: H
 Easy to Understand: What is grass knot for?
 HJAD: SR / Psychic / U-Turn / twave or gknot
#Orphic: steelix
@notnova: How much does LO haunter do
@Shadestep: steelix
@notnova: To Steelix?
 sarahpalin2016: what does psyshock do better?
 lolbro: hari
 sarahpalin2016: o
#Orphic: hits hariyama
 HJAD: A hell of a lot
 venomben: hits hari
@Shadestep: hit mantine hariyama
@notnova: Hits Lanturn, Yama
 lolbro: its also for
@Shadestep: lanturn
 Easy to Understand: Ah I tend to run HP ground for skuntank/aggron etc
 lolbro: av chan
#Orphic: yeah i dont personally think
 sarahpalin2016: gotcha
#Orphic: we need gknot
@notnova: That too
#Orphic: since we dont struggle vs lix
 HJAD: leave the slot open
 HJAD: we can
 HJAD: come back to it later
#Orphic: yeah ^^
#Orphic: see what the team needs
@notnova: So we settled for
 HJAD: if we are weak to stuffs we can fill it in
 lolbro: is anyoneputting this in a teambuilder
 venomben: so whats the haunter set
 lolbro: cause i can
@notnova: LO Wisp DBond haunter?
@notnova: I can add it to BB
@notnova: If it's ok
 lolbro: o tru
 lolbro: but like
 sarahpalin2016: not fully decided?
@Shadestep: we only have 2 mons idk if you can say that 'we're not weak to lix'
#Orphic: yeah lolbro i am
 lolbro: cause we havent decided
 lolbro: orphic focus on running it you silly
#Orphic: i can do both :)
@notnova: Are there objections?
@notnova: To the Haunter set?
#Orphic: basically we have a lot of options here so we can save it to the end
 sarahpalin2016: we dont know if we want wisp yet
@notnova: I mean we can change it down the line
#Orphic: next i think lanturn is the perfect partner
 sarahpalin2016: true
@notnova: If need be
 sarahpalin2016: no objections to writing it down lol
#Orphic: volt switch business
 HJAD: I agree
@notnova: Lanturn helps us beat opposing voltturn and gives us another slow voltturner
 lolbro: it also covers off
 HJAD: what set tho?
 venomben: ok
 lolbro: water and fire checks
 HJAD: we can run
 lolbro: i think av
 HJAD: av
@notnova: AV set sounds good if we're going the balance route
 HJAD: with hp grass
 lolbro: ey
#Orphic: AV is good
#Orphic: hp grass defo
 venomben: volt or water absorb
@notnova: Anyone else?
@Shadestep: volt
@notnova: Volt
@Shadestep: always
 HJAD: Volt
 Easy to Understand: HP fire tbh
#Orphic: venomben, always volt
 HJAD: because
 venomben: k
#Orphic: checks volt switch
@Shadestep: never run water absorb unless you run some funky set and/or team venomben
#Orphic: ^^
 HJAD: we done havevolt switch immu
 HJAD: naturally with ground
 HJAD: yet
 Easy to Understand: so we can hit Aboma/Ferro
@notnova: ~workshop add Haunter
+BB-8-NU: Haunter added
@notnova: ~workshop add Mesprit
+BB-8-NU: Mesprit added
@notnova: ~workshop add Lanturn
+BB-8-NU: Lanturn added
 venomben: is bb8 a person or comp
 venomben: lol
#Orphic: its a bot
@Shadestep: a bot
@notnova: It's a bot
 Easy to Understand: BB8 is a bot
 venomben: ok
@notnova: Yeah
@notnova: Okay
@notnova: AV sounds good?
 sarahpalin2016: ya
 Easy to Understand: yeah
 HJAD: i have a
 HJAD: idea
@Shadestep: shoot it
@notnova: Lay it on us :)
 HJAD: how about dd rhydon for slot 4
 venomben: if we using av I'm assuming discharge and scald?
 HJAD: as a wincon
@Shadestep: volt switch venomben
@notnova: Hmm
 HJAD: to abuse the breaking
#Orphic: yeah HJAD, we defo need a wincon here
@notnova: We should add
@notnova: A wincon here eah
 gurdurrtothetop: will there be test games at the end?
#Orphic: i think even rp 3 attacks don
 venomben: yea the set is VS HPG Dis and Scald
 HJAD: remember
#Orphic: is really good rn
@notnova: We have a grass weakness after that
 HJAD: voltturn and haunter
#Orphic: and we need something with a bug move for malamar
 Easy to Understand: Does Haunter break anything for Rhydon?
 HJAD: is chipping a lot of stuff
 HJAD: we could even go for like crodino
#Orphic: yeah so rp 3 attacks don can clean through better imo
@Shadestep: DD rhydon + Swellow
@Shadestep: ?
@notnova: Ehh
@notnova: Dino is a little slow
 HJAD: i like swellow
@notnova: And passive
 HJAD: speed control
 venomben: whats swallow for?
 Easy to Understand: What about Primeape?
#Orphic: if we go rhydon + swellow
 HJAD: uturn + specs
#Orphic: rhydon beats physical skunk
#Orphic: swellow beats the special set
@notnova: Hmm
 HJAD: i wouldnt say
 HJAD: "beat"
@notnova: It likes Steelix out of the way
#Orphic: but we are a bit weak to skunk in general
 venomben: do we really need another turn tho
@notnova: Something to keep in mind
 HJAD: it kinda checks it
#Orphic: yeah
@notnova: When we fix the Mesprit set
 HJAD: bevause dpulse does a tone
 venomben: id say Yama
#Orphic: it forces it out at most
@notnova: We need something fast
#Orphic: doesnt it just flat out ohko skunk
 venomben: it gets priority and tanks the crap out of phys
@notnova: For speed control
 HJAD: so if we run
 venomben: why speed if we run priority
@notnova: So I think Swellow > Yama
 HJAD: swell + don
@Shadestep: isnt swellow enough speed control
@Shadestep: oh
 HJAD: we need
@Shadestep: yea thats what i said
#Orphic: swellow + don works surely
@notnova: A lilligant check
 HJAD: hazards
 HJAD: control
@notnova: Too
@notnova: Oh hey
 Easy to Understand: Swell/Chan/Don
 Easy to Understand: ez
@notnova: How does Shuca Skunk sound?
@Shadestep: skuntank
@Shadestep: lol
@notnova: Also gives more pressure to normal resists
#Orphic: skunk defo works
 HJAD: if we run tank
 HJAD: we use the shutty
 HJAD: phys defog
 HJAD: or lose to lilli
@notnova: Or you could be like.me
@notnova: Lum special
@notnova: :)
 venomben: actually
@notnova: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: Haunter / Mesprit / Lanturn
 venomben: maybe aggron
 Easy to Understand: Safety Goggles tbh
@Shadestep: hey we definitely need Signal Beam on mesprit
 lolbro: what was
 venomben: hear me out, it gets eq
@Shadestep: in my opinion
 lolbro: lanturn set
@Shadestep: av HP grass lolbro
 venomben: wait no nvm
@notnova: ~workshop add AV Lanturn, DDDon
+BB-8-NU: AV Lanturn, DDDon added
 lolbro: then just scald vs ice beam
 venomben: lix works better
@notnova: We kinda need
@notnova: Hazard control
@notnova: venomben
 HJAD: yeah
 venomben: yea?
 HJAD: swellow might not be the best
@notnova: We don't pass the tspikes test
 HJAD: idea
 HJAD: bevause it doesnt contribute much defneisveily
 venomben: i don't know what that means but ok
@notnova: Hmm
 HJAD: lolspelling
@Shadestep: http://hastebin.com/qujetilejo.md
@notnova: Maybe you're right hjad
@Shadestep: is this the team or did i get anything wrong
#Orphic: i think lilligant check is our priority
 HJAD: we hit a dead end
#Orphic: for this slot
 HJAD: rn
 HJAD: if u imaginr
 HJAD: we need a mon which doesnt exist
 HJAD: so smth needs to change or we forever weak to that mon
#Orphic: why don't we just bring
#Orphic: smth scarf
 HJAD: scarf jynx
#Orphic: scarf jynx + hitmonchan
@notnova: You could put that over
 Easy to Understand: Scarf Primeape?
#Orphic: lose to tspikes rip
 HJAD: scarf primeape
 gurdurrtothetop: will there be games once the team is doen?
@notnova: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: Haunter / Mesprit / Lanturn / AV Lanturn, DDDon
#Orphic: yeah Gurdurr to the top
@notnova: Yes Gurdurr to the top
 gurdurrtothetop: thx
 venomben: 1) im lost as shit 2) i have my own team that wrecks this
 lolbro: why cant we do
@Shadestep: -
 Easy to Understand: -
#Orphic: -
 lolbro: -
#Orphic: yo scarf magmortar
 lolbro: scarf jynx over don
 lolbro: no
#Orphic: xd
 venomben: we need both hazard and weather control
 HJAD: nah scarf mag is dong
 HJAD: as a lilli check
@notnova: ~workshop remove lanturn
+BB-8-NU: lanturn is not in the team
 HJAD: its a beast overall ;)
@notnova: Oops
 lolbro: why lanturn
#Orphic: NotNova that's fine
@notnova: ~workshop remove Lanturn
+BB-8-NU: Lanturn removed
@Shadestep: why remove the lanturn?
 venomben: dont
@notnova: It says Lanturn twice
#Orphic: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: Haunter / Mesprit / AV Lanturn, DDDon
@Shadestep: o
 lolbro: LOL
 gurdurrtothetop: is av lanturn even good?
 gurdurrtothetop: just seems odd
@notnova: It is
#Orphic: okay how about
#Orphic: yeah it is
@notnova: It gives a fire/water check
 lolbro: its the
@notnova: A general special mon check
@notnova: Etc
 lolbro: only good set
#Orphic: can we use
@Shadestep: its considered the best set Gurdurr to the top
#Orphic: garbodor
 sarahpalin2016: what happened to boom shiftry?
#Orphic: for lilligant
 venomben: no
 sarahpalin2016: is it gone?
 lolbro: goggles garb
@notnova: Garbodor isn't the best really
@notnova: At this kinda thing
 lolbro: or goggles weezing
 Easy to Understand: Muk?
@Shadestep: yea sarahpalin2016
 Easy to Understand: Goggles muk tbh
@notnova: Plus gives us more of a ground weakness
#Orphic: not muk
@Shadestep: we didnt go through with it
 sarahpalin2016: ah oops
 venomben: for dealing with lilli your gonna want  i guess scyther?
#Orphic: would SD abomasnow (or just abomasnow in general) + fast mon work
@Shadestep: scyther drops to a +1 HP Rock
@notnova: Also has that issue
#Orphic: we deal with it offensively
@notnova: That it's extra weak to rocks
 venomben: i know
@notnova: Iffy on that
@notnova: Abomasnow is another wallbreaker
 venomben: but if you're checking lilly thats what you use
@notnova: On a team that doesn't need it imo
 venomben: unless you check lilli with lilli?
 Easy to Understand: Can Vigoroth check Lilli?
 Easy to Understand: Bulk up with Vital spirit tbh
@notnova: Vigoroth fits better on bulkier teams than this
@notnova: Hmm
#Orphic: NotNova, not if we use SD
 venomben: any SS pokemon like sligo can check it
 Easy to Understand: OH sliggoo
@notnova: Does
 lolbro: why not
 venomben: actually it works really well
@notnova: A poison in the next slot
 lolbro: scarf scyther
@notnova: Sound good?
@Shadestep: how about we run a fire type like scarf zard or a pyroar
#Orphic: yeah NotNova i think so
#Orphic: vileplume?
#Orphic: either that or skunk
 venomben: victreebel
 quziel: uh, can someone post the team?
@notnova: Actually plume + lanturn usually works pretty well
#Orphic: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: Haunter / Mesprit / AV Lanturn, DDDon
@Shadestep: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: Haunter / Mesprit / AV Lanturn, DDDon
@notnova: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: Haunter / Mesprit / AV Lanturn, DDDon
@Shadestep: lol
@notnova: damn
 Easy to Understand: ~workshop team
#Orphic: #hosts
 lolbro: oh baby
 lolbro: a triple
 venomben: ~workshop team
@notnova: Jokes on you
@notnova: :)
@notnova: We're kinda stuck here
@notnova: We have a few options
 quziel: uh, feels like yama would fit well, to catch knock offs, and sponge freeze dries
 venomben: no we arent
#Orphic: is dd don still there
 venomben: i said that quizel
@Shadestep: yes Orphic
#Orphic: aite
@Shadestep: yama + hazard removal seems neat
@Shadestep: but
@Shadestep: it has to be fast too
@Shadestep: which is a problem
 quziel: alternatively, hitmon would be cool
 Easy to Understand: Fake out spam with volt-turn is nifty
@Shadestep: defog swellow :o
 venomben: i think sligoo counters well
 quziel: + some kind of ice resist
 lolbro: tbf shade
 lolbro: it has a filler slot
@notnova: Hmm
@Shadestep: it does
@notnova: Maybe
@notnova: Hitmonchan + fastmon
 quziel: like, hitmon+pyroar would be cool
@notnova: Scarf Pyroar could give us an offensive check to Lilli?
 lolbro: why not scyther
#Orphic: haunter also checks lilligant offensively tbh
@notnova: Idk not fast enough
@Shadestep: im digging scyther too
 lolbro: keeps up the momentumey feel
 lolbro: with scarf scyther
#Orphic: i dont like scarf scyther :(
#Orphic: could work though
 lolbro: its a
 quziel: it does leave the team awful ice weak
@Shadestep: hey how about
#Orphic: i trust u guys
 lolbro: great cleaner
@Shadestep: we make 2 different versions
 lolbro: ^
 Easy to Understand: I don't feel like DDdon is that good on the team tbh
@notnova: Yeah tbh
@notnova: I have that gripe too Quite Quiet
 venomben: try this: http://pastebin.com/xKd26XUm
@notnova: oops.he left
 venomben: ignoring the fact that my sliggoo is terrible
@notnova: Scarf Pyroar could force out the jynxes and the like
 Easy to Understand: Sliggoo just loses all momentum tbh
 venomben: hari with thick fat counters ice and fire
@notnova: Which plague our team to an extent
 lolbro: so does
 lolbro: scyther
 venomben: scyther is more physical therefore i like him
@notnova: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: Haunter / Mesprit / AV Lanturn, DDDon
 lolbro: its not like scyther stacks rocks weaknesses too
 lolbro: plus it has twind
@notnova: 3 special 3 physical could work
@Shadestep: what'd the last mon be then, AV Chan?
@notnova: So Chan + Scyther?
 lolbro: y
@notnova: Does that leave us weak to anything?
 lolbro: then hwish mes
 Easy to Understand: I was thinking Haunter/Mesprit/Lanturn/Yama/Hazzard control/sweeper
@notnova: Aurorus for one
 quziel: pretty heavy rotom weakness
#Orphic: well
 lolbro: av lanturn
 venomben: Scyther @ Choice Scarf  Ability: Technician  EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  Jolly Nature  - Aerial Ace  - Bug Bite  - Quick Attack  - Pursuit
 quziel: I know lanturn can help
#Orphic: we have lanturn and hitmonchan for those
@Shadestep: no bug bite
#Orphic: unless we dont run av lanturn
 quziel: but burn spam can really hurt the team
 lolbro: then maybe knock
@Shadestep: use u-turn
#Orphic: and bring heal bell
@Shadestep: ^
 lolbro: onscyth
 venomben: ok but other than that
@Shadestep: knock on scyther
#Orphic: knock on scarf scyther
@Shadestep: seems neat
#Orphic: 100%
 venomben: ok
#Orphic: catch rotoms ez
 lolbro: it gets rid of lefties
 lolbro: on lix and shit
 venomben: ok
@Shadestep: on lix
@Shadestep: yea
@Shadestep: knock on scyther is great overall
#Orphic: yeah i agree
@Shadestep: so ace u-turn knock off tailwind?
@Shadestep: or brick break
 lolbro: what does timid lilli hit
 lolbro: twind
 lolbro: imo
@notnova: I mean
@Shadestep: we're vry weak to aggron tho
 lolbro: even
@notnova: Rotom is less of a problem
@notnova: With Haunter
 lolbro: o tru
#Orphic: we have hitmonchan though
 lolbro: aggron
 quziel: DD don can also set up on mesprit and win
 lolbro: that dies
 venomben: thats why we have yama
#Orphic: and lanturn checks it offenively
 lolbro: orphic
 Easy to Understand: What is aggron supposed to switch into?
#Orphic: huh
#Orphic: it outspeeds it
@Shadestep: hitmonchan isnt a switchin
@notnova: I don't think Aggron weakness is a problem with offense
 lolbro: it doesnt switch in
#Orphic: i'm not saying its a switch in
@notnova: With a lot of special mons
#Orphic: i'm saying we check it offensively
@notnova: You can creep with Lanturn I guess
#Orphic: with chan and lanturn
#Orphic: if we creep yeah
 lolbro: av lanturn
 lolbro: should creep
 lolbro: auro
 venomben: http://pastebin.com/4LTWLCD7 toss this on ignore Chan
#Orphic: normal gem?
#Orphic: ...
 Easy to Understand: Normal gem?
 Easy to Understand: What
 venomben: for fake ot
 Allstar124☆: broken
@notnova: Nah dude
#Orphic: venomben that helps nothing
 venomben: lol i can change that
#Orphic: you put assault vest
@notnova: That only works with Unburden sweeper
 venomben: but aside from the item AV works
 venomben: ok
#Orphic: av chan is better, has mach punch
@notnova: I prefer Chan > Yama personally
@Shadestep: yep
@notnova: Helps with hazards
@Shadestep: same
#Orphic: to deal with aurorus easier imo
@Shadestep: av chan
#Orphic: and spins
#Orphic: do we have
@notnova: Has better priority
#Orphic: a final squad here
@notnova: Let's see
 venomben: but chan is so frail
#Orphic: haunter, mesprit, lanturn, chan, scyther
#Orphic: no venomben its not
@notnova: ~workshop add Hitmonchan
+BB-8-NU: Hitmonchan added
 lolbro: http://hastebin.com/apuyopoway.md
@Shadestep: 1. haunter - mesprit - lanturn - rhydon - scyther - hitmonchan
 lolbro: i have this
@notnova: ~workshop add Scyther
+BB-8-NU: Scyther added
 venomben: i take it down with a return silk scarf miltank
@Shadestep: 2. haunter - mesprit - lanturn - rhydon - pyroar - hitmonchan
@notnova: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: Haunter / Mesprit / AV Lanturn, DDDon / Hitmonchan / Scyther
@notnova: I wouldn't
@notnova: Two versions
@notnova: Rather we vote
#Orphic: only thing we're weak to
#Orphic: on the first one
#Orphic: wisp spam
@Shadestep: yea
#Orphic: so i'd lean towards heal bell on lanturn
 lolbro: o tru
@notnova: Aw but
@notnova: AV?
@Shadestep: which is why i think scarf pyroar works too i guess
#Orphic: but
#Orphic: we have av chan
#Orphic: so that's not really too big an issue
@Shadestep: yea
@Shadestep: dont u know about item clause NotNova
#Orphic: ^^
@notnova: silly me.
 Easy to Understand: just give hariyama guts instead :^]
 lolbro: we dont have hri
 lolbro: -
 venomben: -
#Orphic: ~
@notnova: @
 venomben: *
 lolbro: also heal over hp grass
 lolbro: or over ice beam
#Orphic: over ice beam
#Orphic: we need hp grass
@notnova: I guess TWave helps like
@notnova: Don and Haunter
#Orphic: look how else we beat gastro
#Orphic: --> x
@Shadestep: ~~x~~
 Easy to Understand: What about Hariyama/Shiftry/Filler
@notnova: energy ball
@notnova: haunter.
 lolbro: http://hastebin.com/uzirumupaf.md
#Orphic: eball haunter is sick
 lolbro: hp grass
 lolbro: lanturn
 lolbro: -
@notnova: Hmm
 lolbro: knock into hp grass spam
@notnova: Over don Easy to Understand?
 Easy to Understand: yeah
@Shadestep: ya thats good lolbro
@Shadestep: i think thats
@Shadestep: a good final result
#Orphic: nah i like rhydon as our wincon
 venomben: can i get first crack at defeating this team?
#Orphic: sludge bomb > wave
#Orphic: poison chance > like 2% more power
 Allstar124☆: 5%*
@notnova: Ya
@Shadestep: lolbro
 lolbro: 252+ SpA Lanturn Hidden Power Grass vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gastrodon: 240-284 (56.3 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
#Orphic: we sure on healing wish on sprit?
@Shadestep: run 128 speed on AV chan though
@Shadestep: so u outspeed aboma
@notnova: Do we need healing wish sprit
 lolbro: o tru
#Orphic: i reckon ice beam on mesprit
@notnova: Usually you use that
 lolbro: its for like
@Shadestep: yes
#Orphic: i love it for xatu
@Shadestep: we definitely do
 lolbro: scyther
@notnova: Hmm
 lolbro: and rhydon
#Orphic: ah that works
#Orphic: i like that lolbro
 lolbro: hitmonchan can use it too
@notnova: I like Ice Beam too
#Orphic: good clutch move
 lolbro: for #clutch spins
#Orphic: ^
@notnova: Okay
#Orphic: ice beam or hwish
#Orphic: can try both i guess
#Orphic: whatever works for you
 lolbro: theres ur version one and two
 lolbro: Kapp
#Orphic: i'll / it in the pastebin
 lolbro: a
@Shadestep: oh Orphic
#Orphic: I uh
@Shadestep: important thing
#Orphic: think we're done aren't we
@Shadestep: make pyroar female.
#Orphic: what pyroar
@Shadestep: the
@Shadestep: oh nvm we didnt go through with 2 versions
#Orphic: yeah
#Orphic: haha
 Easy to Understand: Ice Beam?
 lolbro: we have
#Orphic: ice beam hits xatu
 lolbro: uturn
#Orphic: true
#Orphic: we do
 lolbro: into
 lolbro: three mons
 lolbro: with threatening moves
 lolbro: ?_?
 Easy to Understand: Shouldn't we just run HP ground since we have no Aggron checks?
#Orphic: hwish is better imo, but i'll just / it in the pastebin
#Orphic: Easy to Understand, we have loads
 lolbro: we have
 lolbro: offensive checks
#Orphic: we check it offensively
@notnova: More votes please
#Orphic: with chan, lanturn, rhydon
#Orphic: !poll display
#Orphic: vote
 Easy to Understand: I mean Aggron just switches into Mesprit for free
#Orphic: and we u-turn?
 lolbro: i mean
 Easy to Understand: Oh right
 lolbro: we can just uturn when it comes in
@notnova: ~poll end
@notnova: Oops
#Orphic: guys
#Orphic: are we done
 lolbro: and it cant ohko rhydon or hitmonchan
@notnova: I think we're good
@notnova: Guys and gals
@notnova: Who's gonna test
 lolbro: shot not
 Allstar124☆: you
 lolbro: Kappa
@notnova: lolbro please post final version
@notnova: I won't pls
 lolbro: o
#Orphic: thanks for coming everyone, i'll end the logs
@notnova: I am on mobile
 lolbro: im in