[14:06:13] (IronBullet set modchat to +)
[14:06:27] #IronBullet: Welcome everyone to this OU workshop!
[14:06:40] %streams: awesome just made it
[14:06:49] %mil: we're ready
[14:06:58] #IronBullet: mil, streams and cole will be rating your teams and helping as many people as they can over the next couple of hours
[14:07:05] #IronBullet: go for it guys :)
[14:07:12] #IronBullet: who's first
[14:07:18] %streams: alright, mil you got the first team?
[14:07:29] %mil: http://pastebin.com/sHUiH0Pe by Count Sheeps
[14:07:36] %mil: Count Sheep
[14:07:41] Count Sheep was promoted to Room Voice by cole.
[14:07:52] +Count Sheep: haiii
[14:08:06] %streams: so can you give a quick idea of your team?
[14:08:52] +Count Sheep: idea was to spike spikes and use tyranitar to trap lati@s and zardy to force switchs and take more damage
[14:09:40] %streams: so spikes are really good right now
[14:09:47] +Count Sheep: it was bish originally over ttar but it just died
[14:10:02] %streams: especially with zard y since one of its main answers is heatran
[14:10:17] %mil: yea zard Y with ttar and thundi is a cool offensive core
[14:10:40] %streams: so im thinking, although we can discuss this, to go thundurus therian over incarnate
[14:10:41] +Count Sheep: it loses to alot i find tho:[
[14:10:48] %streams: since electric is a large issue rn
[14:11:30] %streams: although you will miss out on the twave
[14:11:44] %streams: i think the electric immunity as well as extra damage is worth it
[14:11:52] +Count Sheep: specs?
[14:12:37] %streams: if we were to go that route yes
[14:12:56] %mil: hm your thundi set isnt optimal
[14:13:08] %streams: mil, im saying go thundurus therian
[14:13:11] %streams: over incarnate
[14:13:22] %mil: that set works more as an anti lead on ho
[14:13:27] %streams: for extra electric immunity
[14:13:35] +AnishSomani~: What if we were to go mixed thundy?
[14:13:48] %mil: but you're running a more balanced team with starmie/skarm/lando as a backbone
[14:14:11] %mil: so we def need to change the thundi set
[14:14:54] %mil: mixed is a cool set with superpower to lure chansey for example
[14:15:00] %mil: for zard Y
[14:15:24] %streams: i mean you already do have band tar, but another way of getting rid of chansey is good
[14:15:37] +AnishSomani~: It also helps with lati, bcs surf lati is popular rn
[14:16:13] %mil: ferro over skarm is def also a possibility
[14:16:26] %mil: as a secondary water check
[14:16:26] %streams: i was just thinking skarm looses a lot of momentum
[14:16:36] %streams: and opens up another electic weakness
[14:17:27] +Count Sheep: ttar can pursuit trap m.mane for alot of damage, 80% roughly w/ intimidate, just looses to the others
[14:17:56] %streams: yea i agree ttar helps a lot
[14:18:04] %mil: mmane is problematic but it isnt used that much atm
[14:18:08] %streams: i still think would be better though
[14:18:12] %streams: ferro
[14:18:39] %mil: zard X > zard Y helps with darks if you're ok with that route
[14:18:48] %mil: and can dd as a late game wincon
[14:18:59] %streams: also, willo zard x is great rn
[14:19:08] %streams: if we were to do np thundurus as wincon
[14:19:28] %mil: alright I think we can sum this up
[14:19:55] %mil: ferro>skarm to get rid off weakness stacking and more against waters while keeping hazards
[14:20:02] %mil: mixed thundi
[14:20:08] %mil: and maybe zard X over Y
[14:20:18] +AnishSomani~: Aren't we kinda slow
[14:20:27] +Count Sheep: ill do that now :D
[14:20:28] +AnishSomani~: maybe t wave on Ferro?
[14:20:29] %mil: any questions Count Sheep?
[14:20:43] +Count Sheep: im pretty happy with it actually
[14:20:52] %mil: ok
[14:20:54] +Count Sheep: just thinking priority tho?
[14:20:58] %mil: for more speed
[14:21:02] %mil: scarf ttar and
[14:21:06] %mil: mixed thundi
[14:21:16] %mil: that should balance thins a little
[14:21:17] %streams: yea mixed thundi beats latis
[14:21:28] %streams: since it baits
[14:21:43] %streams: so scarf tar can be used since mixed thundy can help pressure lati and chansey
[14:21:50] %mil: ok, let's move on then
[14:22:13] %mil: next is Sexual Fresh Green
[14:23:10] %Panther5001: Hey everyone. Glad I could make it.
[14:23:15] (Count Sheep was demoted to Room regular user by DennisEG.)
[14:23:28] Sexual Fresh Green was promoted to Room Voice by DennisEG.
[14:23:35] @DennisEG: hello Sexual Fresh Green
[14:23:37] %mil: thx dennis
[14:23:37] +Sexual Fresh Green: hello
[14:23:48] %mil: http://pastebin.com/ucQSj803
[14:24:31] %streams: so first off
[14:24:38] %streams: diancie should really be max speed
[14:24:47] %Panther5001: And also max attack id preffered
[14:24:59] %mil: rp isn't that good in the meta rn bc of so much priority
[14:25:05] +Sexual Fresh Green: ye
[14:25:05] %Panther5001: as it 2hkos tran while making room for hp fire
[14:25:15] %streams: and cause a safe evolution is so important
[14:25:16] +AnishSomani: I'd consider explosion lando here
[14:25:16] +Sexual Fresh Green: theres a reason for rp
[14:25:18] %mil: and you need the speed for keldeo and stuff
[14:25:19] +AnishSomani: wash is a pain
[14:25:22] %streams: protect is almost needed
[14:25:34] %Panther5001: Yea, and HP fire>earth power imo
[14:25:49] %Panther5001: w/ max attack instead of max sp.a
[14:26:03] %mil: protect>rp and hp > epower is good yes
[14:26:36] +Sexual Fresh Green: what would explosion be replacing on lando tho
[14:26:40] +Sexual Fresh Green: knock?
[14:26:55] %Panther5001: well this team lacks rocks just noticed
[14:26:58] +AnishSomani: Probably
[14:26:59] %mil: hm knock helps for clefs
[14:27:07] %mil: so that diancie can 2hko
[14:27:32] %Panther5001: and klefki provides speed control as well, plus you got scarf kb which is good against offense
[14:27:35] +AnishSomani: Maybe focus miss on keld
[14:27:50] %streams: so i dont think dual scarf is needed
[14:27:53] %mil: and kyurem should run a mixed set with scarf
[14:28:05] %streams: so either rocks lando or stall breaking kyurem
[14:28:12] %mil: lo kyub is cool
[14:28:17] %mil: but
[14:28:19] +Sexual Fresh Green: i'll probably go rocks lando
[14:28:20] %mil: wen need rocks so
[14:28:23] %streams: yea
[14:28:33] %streams: so do offensve rocks lando im thinking
[14:28:33] +Sexual Fresh Green: b/c i dont like kyurem without scarf personally
[14:28:44] +Sexual Fresh Green: l/o on rocks lando?
[14:28:45] %mil: we could also go scarf keld, lo kyub and def lando
[14:28:54] %streams: i like that
[14:28:56] %Panther5001: ye i like that
[14:29:00] %streams: cause kyub already breaks
[14:29:00] %mil: keldeo cleans well with hazards dmg
[14:29:11] %streams: so scarf on keldeo would be nice
[14:29:19] %mil: it resits common priority moves
[14:29:22] +Sexual Fresh Green: so on lando i got 252/252 jolly and eq/rocks/knock
[14:29:27] %mil: and water is good anyways
[14:29:27] +Sexual Fresh Green: any bulk checkmarks i should hit
[14:29:34] %Panther5001: Nah defensive. 32 spdef
[14:29:36] +Sexual Fresh Green: k
[14:29:42] %mil: if you want to be cool you can run specs kyub
[14:29:50] %streams: lets not haha
[14:29:51] @DennisEG: 8 spd is enough with 248hp
[14:29:54] %Panther5001: to survive gard hyper voice if modest and lo latios draco
[14:29:55] %streams: but specs is really good
[14:30:12] +AnishSomani: Do we need to run the spbulk for gard and lati
[14:30:22] %streams: we have klefki
[14:30:22] %mil: spd on klef yea
[14:30:29] %streams: so the extra spdef is not worth it on lando
[14:30:36] %Panther5001: yea spdef keys im agreeing with though
[14:30:42] %streams: but yea spdef keys
[14:30:48] +Sexual Fresh Green: just quickly before we head to klef
[14:31:03] %Panther5001: Whats up?
[14:31:07] +Sexual Fresh Green: i have eq/rocks/knock on lando, last move should be explosion?
[14:31:11] %streams: no
[14:31:15] +Sexual Fresh Green: or was that for scarf
[14:31:25] +Sexual Fresh Green: ah i c
[14:31:27] %streams: defensive runs u-turn rocks eq and stone edge
[14:31:47] +Sexual Fresh Green: kk done
[14:31:55] %Panther5001: Nah defensive standard is fine, we could do smack down to prevent rotom from coming in for free
[14:32:11] %Panther5001: and volt switching all over the team as it does now
[14:32:33] +Sexual Fresh Green: could you go phys def hippo+sp.def klefki
[14:32:42] +Sexual Fresh Green: or the nichest of all options phys def seismitoad
[14:32:47] %streams: so to sum it up, we are going max speed max attack diancie
[14:32:52] +Sexual Fresh Green: done
[14:32:55] %Panther5001: hippo loses too much offensive momentum
[14:32:56] %mil: hippo is too passive in this meta
[14:33:00] +Sexual Fresh Green: ah k
[14:33:12] %streams: scarf keldeo
[14:33:18] %streams: defensive landorus for rocks
[14:33:39] +Sexual Fresh Green: specs kyu-b?
[14:33:45] %streams: lo kyurem to maintain the breaking ability since we now have scarf keldeo
[14:33:52] +Sexual Fresh Green: k
[14:33:54] %streams: and then spdef klefki
[14:34:15] %streams: any questions?
[14:34:26] +Sexual Fresh Green: 1 sec
[14:34:52] +Sexual Fresh Green: slowking is fine correct
[14:35:17] %Panther5001: Also smack down on lando if other ppl agree, i just dont like how rotom gets momentum so easily against this team
[14:35:19] %mil: yea its fine, could run max def too
[14:35:23] %mil: but
[14:35:28] %mil: not needed witzh def lando really
[14:35:37] +AnishSomani: We could go mie
[14:35:40] +AnishSomani: for removal
[14:35:43] +Sexual Fresh Green: yes
[14:35:52] +Sexual Fresh Green: i like that i forgot about mie lol
[14:36:41] (Sexual Fresh Green was demoted to Room regular user by IronBullet.)
[14:36:47] i love goth stall was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
[14:36:53] +i love goth stall: hi
[14:36:55] %streams: alright so next team is from i love goth stal
[14:37:02] %streams: http://pastebin.com/HzJapGGA
[14:37:02] %Panther5001: Hello
[14:37:07] +i love goth stall: so
[14:37:18] +i love goth stall: this team is mainly to trap/lure threats
[14:37:27] +i love goth stall: and end with mhera and mana cleanup
[14:37:28] +AnishSomani: Isn't this that am core
[14:37:53] %streams: so first off
[14:37:56] %streams: i love av meta
[14:38:02] %streams: i think its great in todays meta
[14:38:06] %mil: loosk really weak to grounds
[14:38:09] %mil: no ground immun
[14:38:13] %streams: yes i agre
[14:38:25] %streams: i think lando over drill
[14:38:48] %mil: I don't thunk wee need removal hazards that much
[14:38:53] %mil: but we def need a ground immun
[14:39:19] %streams: so my other big point, even though you have a lure manaphy for serp id assume
[14:39:23] %mil: yea double steel + one fairy is too much
[14:39:24] %streams: you do have av metagross
[14:39:35] %mil: lando over exca is cool
[14:39:38] +i love goth stall: yep.
[14:40:08] +i love goth stall: i havent needed spin in the games ive played
[14:40:22] %streams: probably because you have 2 mg
[14:40:27] %mil: with zam magic guard and clef taking no hazards
[14:40:28] %streams: and 2 resist
[14:40:30] %streams: to rocks
[14:40:35] +i love goth stall: yeah
[14:40:50] %streams: well i guess hera is neutral with bug typing
[14:40:52] %streams: but still
[14:41:30] %Panther5001: Imo heatran>gross. clef is a gsi to lati@s as is and helps with the serperior problem
[14:41:38] +AnishSomani: Which lando set?
[14:41:43] +AnishSomani: def or scarf?
[14:41:43] %mil: the team looks cool tho
[14:41:44] +i love goth stall: i think scarf
[14:41:49] %mil: y scarf
[14:41:52] +i love goth stall: cclef is a good rocker imo
[14:42:03] %streams: alright i was also wondering if we go defensive or scarf
[14:42:35] %streams: so Panther, i think we stay gross
[14:42:46] %mil: yea zam outspeeds
[14:42:47] %streams: because pursuit is great
[14:42:52] %mil: hera lives hits, meta too
[14:42:54] +i love goth stall: i think maybe i should change zen to eq
[14:42:56] %mil: lando can revenge
[14:43:02] %streams: yea do eq
[14:43:03] %Panther5001: Alright
[14:43:09] %streams: to bait heatran
[14:43:09] +i love goth stall: or is there better filler for meta
[14:43:16] %mil: yup eq is cool for zard X
[14:43:21] %mil: and heatran+
[14:44:04] %mil: alright any last questuons i love goth stall
[14:44:05] %mil: ?
[14:44:21] +i love goth stall: should zam be replaced with another special mon?
[14:44:30] %streams: i really like zam
[14:44:32] %streams: for speed
[14:44:50] +i love goth stall: yep
[14:44:52] %streams: as well as a focus sash meaning you can revenge just about anything you need to given its healthy
[14:45:04] +i love goth stall: ok
[14:45:12] +i love goth stall: well i think thats it
[14:45:28] +i love goth stall: thanks for the help
[14:45:49] %streams: np
[14:45:50] +AnishSomani: Wait what do we do for scizor
[14:45:58] %streams: you have a manaphy
[14:46:12] %streams: if you really have issues with scizor, run defensive cm manaphy
[14:46:36] %mil: or flamethrower clef
[14:46:47] %mil: and hp fire mana
[14:46:48] +i love goth stall: i think a defensive mana will work
[14:46:56] %mil: yea that works too
[14:46:58] %mil: in that case
[14:47:01] %streams: yea defensive manaphy is really good
[14:47:01] %mil: lo zam
[14:47:02] +i love goth stall: hp fire > ice beam?
[14:47:12] %streams: defensive is cm, rain dance, rest, scald
[14:47:31] +i love goth stall: ok
[14:47:46] %streams: alright so which team is next mil?
[14:48:14] %mil: http://pastebin.com/XJUde5xG
[14:48:17] %mil: by Ravikiran
[14:48:28] (i love goth stall was demoted to Room regular user by IronBullet.)
[14:48:31] Ravikiran was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
[14:48:42] +Ravikiran: Hey people :)
[14:48:56] %streams: alright can you give a brief explanation of your team?
[14:49:06] %streams: before we get started
[14:51:02] +Ravikiran: I started out by a HO using Mega Metagross. And just built around it using wallbreakers and synergy. Sp Garchomp is because the team lacks Sp attackers. Rotom is mostly for stall. Sitrus Talon is to mitigate rocks and even get in a SD boost on a scald. Rest is typical
[14:51:40] +Ravikiran: I also tried LO Gengar set in place of Talon sometimes.
[14:51:44] %streams: so rotom doesnt help that much for stall
[14:51:48] %streams: but it is nice for bird
[14:52:02] %mil: forget talon on that team tbh
[14:52:07] %streams: agreed
[14:52:14] %mil: you have no hazard removal and it will be hard to put it in
[14:52:31] %mil: heatarn works here
[14:52:36] %streams: next, if you are running sd bish, run lum over lo
[14:52:48] %streams: but heatran means 3 eq weak
[14:52:59] +Ravikiran: But that'll create a fighting weakness and ground weakness
[14:53:04] +Ravikiran: (Heatran)
[14:53:10] %mil: you need a sciz check tho
[14:53:19] %streams: well he has rotom
[14:53:22] %streams: which can wilo
[14:53:30] +Ravikiran: And Fire Blast on Garchomp
[14:53:42] +AnishSomani: I was considering smthing like loom
[14:54:20] %mil: with loom we need to lure grass types like amoong tang and mvenu
[14:54:33] %mil: so since this is ho
[14:54:34] +AnishSomani: Bd azu lures the first too
[14:54:36] %streams: yea im not sold onn loom either
[14:54:41] +Ravikiran: What about LO Gengar instead of Talon?
[14:54:44] %mil: max speed jolly bd azu
[14:54:58] %mil: and then we can make breloom work instead of talon
[14:55:35] %mil: lo ada breloom with sd to hit as hard as possible
[14:55:40] %mil: ah
[14:55:43] %mil: no need for sd
[14:56:04] %streams: also, although zen headbutt really inst that good on metagross, i think with breloom its worth keeping
[14:56:17] %mil: rotom needs hydro
[14:56:19] +Ravikiran: Okay
[14:56:24] %mil: over confuse ray
[14:56:44] +Ravikiran: Allright
[14:56:47] %mil: and with lo breloom
[14:56:55] %mil: you should make it sash garchomp with rocks
[14:57:24] +Ravikiran: Okay
[14:57:33] %mil: or even rocky helmet if we're fine with removing rotom
[14:57:38] %mil: since he wants ho
[14:58:28] %streams: are we running rock tomb on breloom?
[14:58:36] %streams: we do have rotom for birds
[14:58:51] %streams: alternatively we could run spore, mach, bullet seed, and force palm
[14:58:54] %streams: for paras
[14:59:13] %mil: so we're at meta/bish/loom/azu/chomp/rotom
[14:59:27] +Ravikiran: Yeah
[14:59:39] %streams: so fp or rt on breloom?
[14:59:52] %mil: hm he can play around and test I's say
[14:59:57] %streams: im really like fp myself
[15:00:15] %mil: what do you think of rh chomp and swiching rotom for something else ?
[15:00:20] +Ravikiran: Okay. Thanks guys n_n
[15:00:48] +Ravikiran: Rotom helps against fire and ground tho...
[15:01:00] %streams: yea i like it for ground resist
[15:01:02] %streams: and bird
[15:01:20] %mil: ok it gets something out of turns I guess
[15:01:21] +Ravikiran: It's needed if we're using loom, no?
[15:01:25] %mil: willO on the grass types
[15:01:34] +Ravikiran: Yeah
[15:01:39] %mil: for azu and loom, wear these loom and azu checks down
[15:02:18] +Ravikiran: Yes
[15:02:24] %mil: btw even if you run a special chomp
[15:02:32] %mil: eq does more damage
[15:02:45] %mil: and you need a naive nature
[15:03:28] %mil: any more questions ?
[15:03:38] +Ravikiran: But then I'll lose a lot of speedties. Mostly against opposing Chomps?
[15:03:50] +Ravikiran: Which get OHKO'ed
[15:04:01] +AnishSomani: Naive is + speed - spd
[15:04:15] %streams: and most chomps are defensive now a days anyways
[15:04:23] +Ravikiran: Oh. Sorry. My bad. :P
[15:04:53] +Ravikiran: Thanks guys. I learnt alot.n_n
[15:05:27] %streams: np thats what this is for =)
[15:06:14] %streams: alright next team mil
[15:06:14] +Ravikiran: I guess that's it. Thanks again. :)
[15:06:19] %streams: or you want me to put one?
[15:07:20] %mil: one sec
[15:07:33] +Ravikiran: What nature should I put in for loom guys? Forgot to ask?
[15:07:44] +Ravikiran: Jolly?
[15:08:20] %mil: TheNBoss
[15:08:30] %streams: ada on breloom
[15:08:42] +Ravikiran: Alright
[15:08:58] (Ravikiran was demoted to Room regular user by IronBullet.)
[15:09:01] TheNBoss was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
[15:09:09] +TheNBoss: which team is it?
[15:09:17] %mil: http://pastebin.com/S5gi2EUM
[15:10:45] %mil: alright TheNBoss do you have a few words before we should start ?
[15:10:56] %mil: what's the strategy and what did you build it around ?
[15:11:04] +TheNBoss: this team started out the mega diancie + magnezone core, then I added the standard defensive lando and a rapid spin starmie, then I added choice keldeo for a wall breaker and breloom for priority
[15:11:32] %streams: so first, scarf mag should not have thunder wave
[15:11:37] %streams: just run tbolt over that
[15:12:17] %mil: you need a better way to punish the switchins to grasstypes
[15:12:20] %mil: which wall breloom
[15:12:39] %mil: amoong, tangrowth, Mvenu just wall your team
[15:13:14] %mil: latios >starmie helps with that
[15:13:49] +TheNBoss: so latios with defog, draco, psy, and ?
[15:13:51] %mil: that would be dragon fairy + trapper
[15:14:05] %mil: cause lati and diancie want steels gone
[15:14:49] +AnishSomani: Roost probably
[15:14:52] %streams: and breloom helps lati with pursuit trappers
[15:15:05] %streams: but yea roost or else volcanion destroys you
[15:16:14] %streams: so what do you think about
[15:16:21] %streams: doing magneton over magnezone
[15:16:34] %streams: to help with tornadus
[15:16:49] +TheNBoss: with evoilite or choice
[15:16:51] %mil: we kinda need the bulk to switch into latis
[15:16:54] %mil: but it works
[15:17:01] %streams: magneton would be choiced
[15:17:20] %mil: that's all from me
[15:17:57] +TheNBoss: would this team do fine against stall?
[15:18:18] %mil: if you play well yes
[15:18:27] %mil: breloom does pretty well against it
[15:18:31] %mil: also diancie, lati and keldeo
[15:18:32] %streams: diancie generally has a good time with stall as well
[15:18:34] %streams: yea
[15:19:09] %mil: any last questions ?
[15:19:33] +TheNBoss: is there anything i can do for mega man
[15:19:51] %streams: sorry mil but i gtg, i have some homework i really got to get done
[15:19:58] +AnishSomani: Also ur lando evs
[15:20:19] +TheNBoss: oh lol
[15:20:19] +AnishSomani: shud be 248 hp 32 spd
[15:20:19] +TheNBoss: woops
[15:20:23] +AnishSomani: 252*
[15:20:29] %mil: lati can deal with mega mane a bit
[15:20:41] +AnishSomani: rest in def def, takes hits from lati and m gard
[15:20:42] %mil: but you run offense so you're naturally weak to it
[15:21:55] (TheNBoss was demoted to Room regular user by IronBullet.)
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[15:22:19] +Ibster: Hey guys
[15:22:22] %mil: hi
[15:22:23] %mil: http://pastebin.com/W9E480sd
[15:22:34] +Ibster: Yea so this is a draft of a team i've been using for a while
[15:22:42] +Ibster: The only 2 mons that have been consistant are
[15:22:47] +Ibster: Mega chomp and banded t-tar
[15:22:52] +Ibster: I built the team around mega chomp
[15:23:01] +Ibster: I've tried specs lati hippo tangrowth etc
[15:23:07] +Ibster: my issues are weakness to weavile
[15:23:23] +Ibster: issues switching into some grass types, dealing with medicham/loop
[15:23:30] %mil: ok first thing I'd make it a sand team
[15:23:34] +Ibster: It used to be
[15:23:44] %mil: but ?
[15:23:59] +Ibster: I was getting 6-0'd by weavile
[15:24:04] +Ibster: not literally
[15:24:08] +Ibster: but i had issues with weavile
[15:24:41] %mil: well you're pretty ice weak
[15:24:43] %mil: n_n
[15:24:45] +Ibster: yeah
[15:24:46] %mil: and dark
[15:25:25] +Ibster: mhm
[15:25:29] +Ibster: Q.Q
[15:25:50] %mil: you need a water type on almost every team to deal with that kinda stuff
[15:26:04] +Ibster: I was running rotom
[15:26:23] %mil: ok so exca > skarm to abuse sand
[15:26:33] %mil: then keldeo > alakazam
[15:26:40] +Ibster: If i'm running driller
[15:27:01] +Ibster: balloon over life orb? he got worn down too much spinning away hazards
[15:27:23] %mil: at the moment you don't need to spin
[15:27:28] %mil: so we can first focus on
[15:27:46] %mil: covering threats while having offensive synergy
[15:28:06] +Ibster: so sd life orb rush driller
[15:28:19] %mil: sd LO can work yea
[15:28:26] +Ibster: is there a better set
[15:28:31] +Ibster: or a better 4rth slot
[15:28:37] +Ibster: eq iron head rock slide
[15:29:36] +AnishSomani: Doesn't m chomp run d calw
[15:29:44] +Ibster: i'm running chomp as a wall breaker
[15:29:49] +Ibster: +2 outrage ohko's rotom
[15:30:05] +Ibster: 2hko's tran 2hko's lando
[15:30:21] +Ibster: d claw doesn't ohko rotom so i can't guarantee not getting burned
[15:30:35] +Ibster: It also ohko's def zapper
[15:30:45] +AnishSomani: Oh I see
[15:30:55] %mil: alright I did a lot of changes
[15:30:59] +Ibster: yea its there as the bulky muscle role
[15:31:06] %mil: but that team will better
[15:31:36] +Ibster: what're the changes mil
[15:31:52] %ANALYTIC ♜: Maybe we could go for Defensive Lando over Scarf?
[15:32:02] +Ibster: the only reason i'm running scarf rn
[15:32:13] +Ibster: is cuz i took out sand rush drill and I needed a way to beat cham and loop
[15:32:17] %ANALYTIC ♜: Hmm
[15:32:19] +Ibster: so if i am running driller
[15:32:23] +Ibster: its back to a defensive mon
[15:32:26] %ANALYTIC ♜: Yeah
[15:32:28] %ANALYTIC ♜: Also
[15:32:32] +Ibster: though the issue i had was
[15:32:38] +Ibster: I had to keep sand up
[15:32:39] %ANALYTIC ♜: Amoonguss over celebi seems nice here
[15:32:54] +Ibster: and t-tar gets worn down checking mons like laitos etc that come in
[15:33:13] %ANALYTIC ♜: Does surf 2hko bandtar
[15:33:17] +Ibster: no it doesn't
[15:33:21] +Ibster: unless its specs
[15:33:25] %ANALYTIC ♜: Cuz if not then its only coming in once i guess
[15:33:31] %ANALYTIC ♜: CB pursuit kills
[15:33:33] +Ibster: yea
[15:33:39] +Ibster: but i eat 2 surfs
[15:33:42] +AnishSomani: Surf 2 hits band tar iirc, or at least surf + draco
[15:33:49] %ANALYTIC ♜: Right
[15:34:01] %ANALYTIC ♜: I think if rocks are up, it becomes a problem
[15:34:13] +Ibster: yea i always made sure to not leave rocks up
[15:34:16] +Ibster: if lati was alive
[15:34:17] %ANALYTIC ♜: But again, it can be revenged by like exca
[15:34:21] +Ibster: or i'd force lati to draco
[15:34:29] +Ibster: then switch tar on the draco
[15:34:50] %mil: http://pastebin.com/ggrD48eh
[15:34:59] %mil: sorry for the many change sbut
[15:35:08] +Ibster: its fine
[15:35:10] %mil: that's the best I can do
[15:35:15] +Ibster: but I'm gonna change d claw to outrage
[15:35:21] +Ibster: to 2 ohko walls
[15:35:31] +Ibster: * plus 2
[15:35:32] +AnishSomani: 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 172-203 (42.5 - 50.2%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
[15:35:32] +AnishSomani: 252 SpA Life Orb Latios Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ty
[15:35:37] %ANALYTIC ♜: What do we need chople tar for if we have Torn
[15:35:41] %ANALYTIC ♜: ZardY?
[15:35:52] +AnishSomani: Yeah u take that better than I exoected
[15:35:58] %mil: oh that shouöd be smooth rock
[15:36:33] +Ibster: why torn btw
[15:36:41] +Ibster: i experimented with torn and I wasn't liking it
[15:36:48] %ANALYTIC ♜: Gengar, Keldeo, Serp
[15:36:52] %ANALYTIC ♜: What else
[15:36:54] %mil: and rapid spin > rock slide on exca for torn
[15:37:15] %ANALYTIC ♜: Manaphy is an imp one too
[15:37:49] +Ibster: if driller has spin over slide, either chomp or t-tar have to live to check birds
[15:37:51] %mil: torn gets momentum, knocks off items, confuses the opponent mons
[15:37:58] %ANALYTIC ♜: Since the archetype is slow in general, torn+keld are gonna check some key threats
[15:38:15] +Ibster: I see torn deals with a lot of annoying mons
[15:38:37] %mil: if a mon is anooying you can click twave with ttar too
[15:38:40] %ANALYTIC ♜: Torn is also taking care of grass types for exca and keld
[15:38:58] +Ibster: but without fire blast chomp is now walled by skarm
[15:39:12] +Ibster: I used to run spdef clef with t-wave what do you guys think of that still
[15:39:27] %mil: against skarm you get keldeo in
[15:39:32] %mil: and heat wave with torn
[15:39:34] %mil: knock it off
[15:39:45] +Ibster: gotcha
[15:39:47] %mil: then heat wave will do enough
[15:40:05] %mil: you can stall out its roosts that way
[15:40:14] +Ibster: gotcha
[15:40:18] +AnishSomani: Doesn't stone edge 2 hit in sand
[15:40:22] +Ibster: It might
[15:40:30] +Ibster: but you also have to 2 hit 2 edges and have sand up
[15:40:43] %mil: yea you sd vs it 1v1
[15:40:45] +Ibster: stone edge does 35 against physical scarm
[15:40:52] +Ibster: in sand
[15:41:17] %mil: keldeos focus blast almost ohkos rotom btw
[15:41:34] +Ibster: oh i didn't even see FB
[15:41:37] +Ibster: that's a nice tec
[15:41:50] %mil: alright that's it
[15:41:56] %mil: any questions left ?
[15:42:21] +AnishSomani: Y it's a 40% from full
[15:42:36] +AnishSomani: (Focus miss to ohko)
[15:43:01] +Ibster: lemme just read over the sets again
[15:43:46] +Ibster: who's my switch into cham
[15:44:00] %mil: idk n_n
[15:44:04] %mil: torn ?
[15:45:01] %mil: it loses to 4 mons 1v1
[15:45:06] +Ibster: yea it gets outsped
[15:45:16] +Ibster: but i might have to sac
[15:45:20] +Ibster: I can just sack moongus
[15:45:33] +Ibster: do I have an out to loopuny though
[15:45:36] %mil: they don't carry zen headbutt tehse days
[15:45:42] %mil: do you get a sleep on it
[15:45:54] %mil: amoong lives a return from lop after rocks
[15:45:59] %mil: so it can switchin
[15:46:03] +Ibster: does it live ice punch?
[15:46:11] %mil: you can run stun spore on amoonguss
[15:46:17] %mil: over hp fire
[15:46:27] %mil: yea ice punch is weaker than return
[15:46:43] +Ibster: arite
[15:46:46] +Ibster: thanks a lot guys
[15:46:49] +Ibster: sorry I took so long
[15:46:58] %mil: no you were the last
[15:47:01] %mil: np
[15:47:06] +Ibster: Just wanted to understand where this stuff came from
[15:47:10] +Ibster: appreciate it ty!
[15:47:24] %mil: np thanks for submitting your team
[15:47:33] +Ibster: oh its smooth rock on t-tar right
[15:47:35] +Ibster: not chople
[15:47:55] %mil: yea so your exca lasts longer in sand
[15:48:01] +Ibster: gotcha ty
[15:49:32] #IronBullet: alright thats it guys, thanks a lot for hosting mil!
[15:49:53] #IronBullet: and thanks analytic, streams and anish for helping :)
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