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  1. 13:07:04] #Eevee General: If you are not hosting, please don't interrupt the chat ^-^
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  3. [13:07:11] @unfixable ♥: especially you, antemortem >_>
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  5. [13:07:17] @unfixable ♥: k_k
  6. [13:07:18] @unfixable ♥: j_k
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  8. [13:07:31] @unfixable ♥: Do not challenge us to battles yet! We're going to get there at a later time!
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  10. [13:08:03] @unfixable ♥: !roomintro
  11. Welcome to Other Metagames!
  12. We're hosting a Workshop today! Please wait to PM questions until after the battle portion of the workshop.
  13. Hosts: unfixable, Eevee General, Pikachuun
  14. [13:08:07] #Eevee General: also temporary grats chuun
  15. [13:08:08] @unfixable ♥: click this link^
  16. [13:08:13] @unfixable ♥: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/other-metagames-workshop.3530146/
  17. [13:08:15] @Pikachuun: lol temporary thanks
  18. [13:08:54] @Pikachuun: sorry I was a bit later than expected btw, I was eating lunch :P
  19. [13:08:55] @unfixable ♥: alright
  20. [13:08:57] @unfixable ♥: let's goooo!
  21. [13:09:03] @unfixable ♥: This is the OM Workshop!
  22. [13:09:09] @unfixable ♥: the goal of this workshop is to inform users about OMs
  23. [13:09:26] @unfixable ♥: we're going to go over everything you need to know about our forums, have a few test battles, and have a q/a section at a later time
  24. [13:09:42] @unfixable ♥: please read the thread above too ^_^
  25. [13:10:05] @unfixable ♥: OMs are basically as they sound: metagames that are different than standard tiers
  26. [13:10:12] @unfixable ♥: most of our metagames are based around OU, with a few exception
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  28. [13:10:24] @unfixable ♥: we'll get into submissions and such at a later time, but let's keep it simple!
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  30. [13:10:37] @unfixable ♥: OMs are a great outlet for users looking to spice it up!
  31. [13:10:52] @unfixable ♥: we have two OM leaders: Eevee General and The Immortal
  32. [13:10:58] @unfixable ♥: they are what keep our forum running ^_^
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  34. [13:11:10] @unfixable ♥: now, let's hear from Eevee General
  35. [13:11:18] @unfixable ♥: what do you think of OMs? what can you tell us about the basics?
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  37. [13:11:42] #Eevee General: I like to think of Other Metas as the philosophy department of Showdown
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  39. [13:11:49] #Eevee General: You start with a question, "What if?"
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  41. [13:11:56] #Eevee General: and you develop a premise around it
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  44. [13:12:12] #Eevee General: When I created STABmons, I asked "What if every Pokemon could learn every move of its type?"
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  46. [13:12:25] #Eevee General: So Scizor could learn Gear Grind and Keldeo could learn Water Spout
  47. [13:12:40] #Eevee General: OMs are all about asking these questions and then building a new game around them
  48. [13:12:54] #Eevee General: When you have an idea, you submit it to the mods to review
  49. [13:13:10] #Eevee General: and we will decide if it needs more work or if it looks good, and then you can post your new metagame in the forums
  50. [13:13:43] @unfixable ♥: now let's hear from Pikachuun!
  51. [13:13:54] @Pikachuun: Same questions right
  52. [13:13:59] @unfixable ♥: mhm
  53. [13:14:02] @Pikachuun: okay
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  55. [13:14:34] @Pikachuun: Basically I'm along similar lines with TEG in what OMs are. To use Metagamiate as an example I thought "What if Pikachu got STAB Extremespeed? Would it be any good?"
  56. [13:14:43] @Pikachuun: then I decided to apply it universally
  57. [13:14:51] @Pikachuun: using a similar philosophy to the -ate abilities.
  58. How am I joined
  59. [13:15:03] @Pikachuun: and the answer to that question is yes if usage stats don't lie
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  61. [13:15:16] @Pikachuun: Anyways, I code some of the OMs here as well
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  63. [13:15:32] @Pikachuun: depending on the metagame, it's either really easy, but really hard
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  65. [13:15:37] @Pikachuun: *or
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  67. [13:15:50] • ~The Immortal has arrived
  68. [13:15:57] @Pikachuun: In most cases, I take a look at existing code as a base
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  70. [13:16:03] @unfixable ♥: (welcome to the other OM leader, The Immortal!)
  71. [13:16:15] @Pikachuun: I toy around with that to see what works and what doesn't
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  73. [13:16:34] @Pikachuun: If it works, then the metagame can be coded
  74. [13:16:44] @Pikachuun: and I probably will code it
  75. [13:17:05] @Pikachuun: In the case of Pet Mods, it's often best to use scripts.js unless otherwise needed
  76. [13:17:15] @Pikachuun: in some cases all you need is the formats.js file itself
  77. [13:17:29] @Pikachuun: (note that these are essentially files that dictate in-battle scripts and the format list respectively)
  78. [13:17:51] @unfixable ♥: great chuun!
  79. [13:18:00] @unfixable ♥: The Immortal, would you like to share some brief thoughts about what OMs are to you?
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  81. [13:18:48] ~The Immortal: I was just catching up with what I missed!
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  83. [13:19:29] @unfixable ♥: it's alright aha
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  85. [13:20:11] @unfixable ♥: so, anything before we move on :o?
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  87. [13:20:41] ~The Immortal: OMs are a way for users to run their own metagame, one that they came up with!
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  90. [13:20:59] @unfixable ♥: true ^_^.
  91. [13:21:10] @unfixable ♥: now, we're going to be going over bullet points from http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/other-metagames-workshop.3530146/
  92. A tournament battle between nkeafzoyhe and Ztest has started.
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  94. [13:21:25] @unfixable ♥: first question
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  96. [13:21:26] @unfixable ♥: What classifies as an Other Metagame and what's the difference between that and a Pet Mod?
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  98. [13:21:50] @unfixable ♥: basically, OMs are more general, while Pet Mods are more concise and often include new moves or abilities and the such
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  100. [13:22:20] @unfixable ♥: for example
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  102. [13:22:24] @unfixable ♥: STABmons focuses on a general idea
  103. [13:22:31] @unfixable ♥: "All Pokemon gain access to their STAB moves"
  104. [13:22:46] @unfixable ♥: while Megas For All focuses on creating something entirely new
  105. [13:22:53] @unfixable ♥: "All Pokemon receive customized Mega Evolutions"
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  107. [13:23:13] @unfixable ♥: another example being AAA
  108. [13:23:18] @unfixable ♥: Almost any Ability
  109. [13:23:29] @unfixable ♥: Nothing new is being added, but an entirely new idea is formed!
  110. [13:24:06] @unfixable ♥: AAA would be considered an OM, because nothing new is being created.
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  112. [13:24:25] @unfixable ♥: now, let's have Eevee General discuss :D
  113. [13:24:39] #Eevee General: Another way to distinguish the two types is how you apply changes
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  115. [13:25:11] #Eevee General: If you want to give Charizard new moves because you think he should learn Dragon Ascent, but you don't give it to anything else, that's an arbitrary change
  116. [13:25:16] #Eevee General: And that would classify it as a Pet Mod
  117. [13:25:45] #Eevee General: When you start to pick and choose what things change instead of applying them broadly, you get into Pet Mod territory
  118. [13:26:14] #Eevee General: Popular Pet Mods are Gen-NEXT, Skillmons, and Megas for All: they all have specific changes for each Pokemon or mechanic
  119. [13:26:27] #Eevee General: Pet Mod is like a pet project, hence the name
  120. [13:27:13] @unfixable ♥: It's also important to note that Pet Mods are not eligible for OMotM, which we'll go more into in a bit
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  122. [13:27:19] @unfixable ♥: What are some OM-specific rules I should know and what are OM Submissions?
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  124. [13:27:52] @unfixable ♥: OMs biggest difference in rules from other subforums is our very own OM Submissions
  125. [13:28:08] @unfixable ♥: which can be found here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/om-submissions.289/
  126. [13:28:37] @unfixable ♥: In this subforum, our OM mod team reviews what you post before you post it
  127. [13:28:50] @unfixable ♥: (this consists of Eevee General, The Immortal, Joim, hollywood, and myself)
  128. [13:28:59] @unfixable ♥: we offer feedback, try and help you improve the idea
  129. [13:29:14] @unfixable ♥: and then we work to try and get it up to standards so it can be posted in the main forum!
  130. [13:29:19] #Eevee General: If you've ever submitted an article for the Smog or Player, it's kind of like that
  131. [13:29:24] @unfixable ♥: everything gets posted here beforehand, even projects and rankings and such
  132. [13:29:38] @unfixable ♥: there's also a rule that you must have 20 posts before submitting so that you know how our forum works
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  134. [13:29:45] @unfixable ♥: Eevee General, care to weigh in?
  135. [13:30:04] #Eevee General: Yeah, we instituted the 20 post minimum so new users take the time to explore Other Metas first
  136. [13:30:14] #Eevee General: most of the time new people submit an idea that already exists
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  138. [13:30:24] #Eevee General: but if you explore a bit you'd know that
  139. [13:30:41] #Eevee General: I created an index that lists a lot of resources and list of metagames
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  141. [13:30:52] #Eevee General: so you should start there first before submitting
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  143. [13:31:06] @unfixable ♥: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/other-metagames-index-resources-found-here.3505031/
  144. [13:31:09] @unfixable ♥: very important^
  145. [13:31:43] @unfixable ♥: kk, next bullet!
  146. [13:31:45] @unfixable ♥: Why should I play these formats over OU or standard tiers?
  147. [13:31:45] ~The Immortal: One important rule that is frequently broken is that your submission is supposed to look like your OM thread's opening post if it were accepted rather than one to two lines with the idea
  148. [13:31:53] ~The Immortal: or we can go to the next bullet
  149. [13:32:08] @unfixable ♥: what The Immortal said is also true
  150. [13:32:19] @unfixable ♥: anywayssss
  151. [13:32:25] @unfixable ♥: back to the next bullet
  152. [13:32:36] @unfixable ♥: playing these formats is a choice you make really
  153. [13:32:41] @unfixable ♥: you don't have to play them
  154. [13:32:44] @unfixable ♥: but you can play them!
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  156. [13:32:50] @unfixable ♥: Standard tiers are fun and all
  157. [13:33:05] @unfixable ♥: but where else can you play a metagame where SD Skarmory is one of the strongest Pokemon in the tier?!
  158. [13:33:06] @Pikachuun: Other Metagames definitely foster a level of creativity that you won't be able to find in most standard tiers
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  160. [13:33:11] @unfixable ♥: (this is referencing AAA btw)
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  162. [13:33:25] @Pikachuun: There are, of course, still metagame defining threats
  163. [13:33:33] @Pikachuun: such as, in STABmons, Diggersby
  164. [13:33:54] @Pikachuun: but in other metagames you get options that otherwise you wouldn't be able to explore normally
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  166. [13:34:13] @Pikachuun: Some of these options, such as the aforementioned SD Skarmory, change how the Pokemon itself is played
  167. [13:34:33] @Pikachuun: While others are just for fun
  168. [13:34:45] @Pikachuun: like for instance in stabmons, Specs Diggersby
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  170. [13:35:15] @unfixable ♥: ah, that Specs Diggersby!
  171. [13:35:18] @unfixable ♥: nex question
  172. [13:35:20] @unfixable ♥: With all this variety, how does anything ever get done?
  173. [13:35:53] @unfixable ♥: despite having so many metagames, we get a lot done!
  174. [13:36:11] @unfixable ♥: many metagames become so popular they earn their spot as viability rankings,c reative threads, and even some tours!
  175. [13:36:24] @unfixable ♥: with all of our wonderfully dedicated users
  176. [13:36:30] @unfixable ♥: we can get a lot done
  177. [13:36:40] @unfixable ♥: we tend to focus on the more popular metagames as a priority
  178. [13:36:49] #Eevee General: Those with a permanent ladder
  179. [13:36:53] @unfixable ♥: for example, STABmons gets priority over some metagames due to it having permanant ladder
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  181. [13:37:15] @unfixable ♥: Can we earn any badges for Other Metagames work?
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  183. [13:37:24] @unfixable ♥: Eevee General will be handling this one :]
  184. [13:37:38] #Eevee General: For now, we offer contributions-based badges only
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  186. [13:37:52] #Eevee General: The ladybug for pre-contributor and the full Community Contributor badge
  187. [13:38:21] #Eevee General: if you post often with constructive ideas, you are sure to gain a ladybug in due time
  188. nkeafzoyhe has lost the match 0 - 2 against Ztest
  189. nkeafzoyhe vs Ztest
  190. 0 - 2
  191. nkeafzoyhe vs ChucklePackage
  192. 2 - 0
  193. iloveyourpancreas vs nkeafzoyhe
  194. 0 - 1
  195. iloveyourpancreas vs afk most daiz
  196. 6 - 6
  197. Amariea vs iloveyourpancreas
  198. 0 - 4
  199. Amariea
  200. iloveyourpancreas
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  202. 0 - 4
  203. TheAmazingFlavio
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  205. nkeafzoyhe vs I like donkeys
  206. 2 - 3
  207. nkeafzoyhe
  208. I like donkeys
  209. ChucklePackage vs Shayanigans
  210. 4 - 3
  211. BurgerAlt vs ChucklePackage
  212. 0 - 1
  213. BurgerAlt
  214. ChucklePackage
  215. jogosjnc vs Shayanigans
  216. 0 - 2
  217. jogosjnc
  218. Shayanigans
  219. Help I Have A Rash vs Ztest
  220. 0 - 3
  221. churup99 vs Help I Have A Rash
  222. 0 - 1
  223. churup99 vs Spore Draco
  224. 2 - 4
  225. churup99
  226. Spore Draco
  227. Help I Have A Rash vs ssumgiee
  228. 4 - 0
  229. Help I Have A Rash
  230. ssumgiee
  231. Ztest vs VGamer755
  232. 2 - 0
  233. Ztest vs amineforza
  234. 2 - 0
  235. Ztest
  236. amineforza
  237. VGamer755 vs daburgerking
  238. 1 - 0
  239. VGamer755
  240. daburgerking
  241. Pop-out
  242. Congratulations to Ztest for winning the Random Battle Single Elimination Tournament!
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  244. [13:38:46] #Eevee General: and if you keep it up, you can earn the full CC badge and be recognized as an awesome contributor!
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  246. [13:39:07] @unfixable ♥: Do I need prior knowledge before coming to the subforum?
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  248. [13:39:52] @Pikachuun: Prior knowledge is a bit weird
  249. [13:40:01] @Pikachuun: It's best to have knowledge of OU, but at the same time, not too much
  250. [13:40:23] @Pikachuun: because a lot of these OM's effectively introduce new concepts, if you're used too much to OU you may find yourself weirded out
  251. [13:40:36] @Pikachuun: like for instance the aforementioned GW Skarm
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  253. [13:40:49] @Pikachuun: if you have a lot of experience in OU you're probably expecting a defensive role
  254. [13:40:58] @Pikachuun: due to that being what Skarm typically does
  255. [13:41:11] @Pikachuun: you'll definitely be surprised when it sets up an SD and ohko's something with Brave Bird :P
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  257. [13:41:39] @Pikachuun: In BH, Ubers is the closest applicant, but that knowledge gets thrown out of the window when you see stuff like Quiver Dance Poison Heal Kyogre-Primal
  258. [13:42:01] @unfixable ♥: adding on to what Pikachuun has said, a lot of metagames are based off of OU rulesets
  259. [13:42:07] @unfixable ♥: so it's nice to know clauses and how they work as well
  260. [13:42:14] @unfixable ♥: next bullet
  261. [13:42:16] @unfixable ♥: Why does PU have its own subforum?
  262. [13:42:24] @unfixable ♥: http://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/pu.327/
  263. [13:42:36] @unfixable ♥: PU has received its own subforum due to sheer popularity
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  265. [13:42:47] @unfixable ♥: with a large playerbase, support for a subforum, and with a permanent ladder
  266. [13:42:54] @unfixable ♥: the need arose and thus the subforum was added
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  268. [13:43:19] @unfixable ♥: PU Is the tier below NU, by the way
  269. [13:43:28] @unfixable ♥: for more information, you can stop by the PU room!
  270. [13:43:30] @unfixable ♥: !om pu
  271. The unofficial tier below NU.
  272. - PU
  273. [13:43:36] @unfixable ♥: and use this as well :)!
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  275. [13:43:53] @unfixable ♥: now, we're going to start with closing the bullets and we'll talk a bit more
  276. [13:43:55] @unfixable ♥: then we'll battle!
  277. [13:43:57] @unfixable ♥: Who are the Other Metagames mentors I should go to if I need anything?
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  279. [13:44:09] @unfixable ♥: with mentorship being changed recently
  280. [13:44:15] @unfixable ♥: we don't have "official" mentors anymore
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  282. [13:44:22] @unfixable ♥: at the time of writing, we did :p!
  283. [13:44:24] @unfixable ♥: but anyways!
  284. [13:44:48] @unfixable ♥: for any help with OMs, myself, Eevee General, Pikachuun, Snaquaza, and most auth in this room will be able to help!
  285. [13:44:58] @unfixable ♥: this room is a great resource for OM help, as is lurking our forums
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  287. [13:45:13] @unfixable ♥: the last bullet is about discussion, but since we're discussing now I'll just over it here!
  288. [13:45:37] @unfixable ♥: this room, the IRC channel (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23othermetas&server=irc.synirc.net ), and the forums themselves are great discussion tools!
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  290. [13:45:51] @unfixable ♥: right then, now that we've covered the basics
  291. [13:46:04] @unfixable ♥: Pikachuun, Eevee General, and I will be going over a few metagames to get into!
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  293. [13:46:37] @unfixable ♥: firstly, Eevee General will be teaching us about STABmons!
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  295. [13:46:39] @unfixable ♥: !om STABmons
  296. Pokémon can use any move of their typing, in addition to the moves they can normally learn.
  297. - STABmons
  298. - STABmons Viability Rankings
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  300. [13:46:51] #Eevee General: I've pretty much covered it already
  301. [13:47:03] #Eevee General: It's a simple concept, that you learn all the moves of your type(s)
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  303. [13:47:14] #Eevee General: There are standard OU clauses
  304. [13:47:20] #Eevee General: but the bans are a bit different
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  306. [13:47:43] #Eevee General: namely, sylveon, porygon-z, mega altaria, mega metagross, mega slowbro, and mega lopunny are banned
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  308. [13:48:03] #Eevee General: however, darkrai, deoxys-s, deoxys-d, aegislash, and greninja are unbanned
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  310. [13:48:22] #Eevee General: the metagame is pretty fast paced, and diggersby is the #1 threat
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  312. [13:48:42] #Eevee General: prankster sableye is also used a lot and is good at keeping setup under control with topsy turvy
  313. [13:48:58] #Eevee General: you should always plan to face those two at some point
  314. [13:49:29] @unfixable ♥: now let's have Pikachuun introduce Balanced Hackmons!
  315. [13:49:33] @Pikachuun: Okay
  316. [13:49:34] @unfixable ♥: !om Balanced Hackmons
  317. - Balanced Hackmons
  318. - Balanced Hackmons Suspect Discussion
  319. - Balanced Hackmons Viability Rankings
  320. [13:49:49] @Pikachuun: Balanced Hackmons is based on an interesting concept. If you can obtain it by any means and battle someone with it in-game
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  322. [13:49:51] @Pikachuun: you can use it.
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  324. [13:51:01] @Pikachuun: Of course, there are bans, such as Huge/Pure Power, Parental Bond, Shadow Tag/Arena Trap, etc
  325. [13:51:07] @Pikachuun: these are banned for obvious reasons
  326. [13:51:26] @Pikachuun: as well as Wonder Guard, let's not forget about that.
  327. [13:51:43] @Pikachuun: One of the more recent bans was Assist, this is due to it being abused with Prankster, Groudon-Primal, and Thousand Arrows.
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  329. [13:51:57] @Pikachuun: It was very powerful, allowing people to get up to the high ladder with ease
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  331. [13:52:13] @Pikachuun: One of the more popular sets right now is Aerilate Mega-Rayquaza, and it's definitely a threat to account for
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  333. [13:52:42] @Pikachuun: Thanks to its base 180 Offenses, decent bulk and speed, and, because this is Balanced Hackmons, access to Fake Out, Extreme Speed, and Boomburst/Techno Blast
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  335. [13:53:06] @Pikachuun: Plus it can either run King's Shield, Spiky Shield, or some form of coverage to hit steel types hard.
  336. [13:53:17] @unfixable ♥: thanks Pikachuun and Eevee General!
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  338. [13:53:29] @unfixable ♥: now, I'll be talking about Monotype, 1v1, and Tier Shift as a more whole
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  340. [13:53:34] @unfixable ♥: !om monotype
  341. All Pokémon on a team must share a type.
  342. - Monotype
  343. - Monotype Viability Rankings
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  345. [13:53:49] @unfixable ♥: Monotype is exactly as it sounds: one type
  346. [13:53:59] @unfixable ♥: some popular types include Flying-, Normal-, and Steel-types.
  347. [13:54:11] @unfixable ♥: Monotype has a few type-specific bans which can be found in the thread
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  349. [13:54:30] @unfixable ♥: for more information on Monotype, be sure to check out the Monotype room via /join Monotype!
  350. [13:54:33] @unfixable ♥: next, 1v1
  351. [13:54:35] @unfixable ♥: !om 1v1
  352. Bring three Pokémon to Team Preview and choose one to battle.
  353. - 1v1
  354. [13:54:58] @unfixable ♥: 1v1 is a fast-paced metagame in which users bring three Pokemon and select one to fight the opponent with
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  356. [13:55:13] @unfixable ♥: this tier, as I said, is incredibly fast! using the most powerful moves you can is key!
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  358. [13:55:37] @unfixable ♥: some popular Pokemon include Mega Charizard X, Greninja, Mega Mawile. and Kyurem-Black
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  360. [13:56:01] @unfixable ♥: using brute force is effective in this tier
  361. [13:56:16] @unfixable ♥: it's also useful to note that species clause is off
  362. [13:56:24] @unfixable ♥: you can bring three charizards if you'd like!
  363. [13:56:49] @unfixable ♥: Perish Song is also used quite often because it has the ability to effectively beat pretty much antyhing, but it's quite gimmicky
  364. [13:56:53] @unfixable ♥: next, 1v1
  365. [13:56:55] @unfixable ♥: I mean
  366. [13:56:57] @unfixable ♥: tier shift >_<
  367. [13:56:59] @unfixable ♥: !om tier shift
  368. Pokémon below OU get all their stats boosted. BL/UU get +5, BL2/RU get +10, and BL3/NU or lower get +15.
  369. - Tier Shift
  370. - Tier Shift Viability Rankings
  371. [13:57:06] @unfixable ♥: as stated, Pokémon below OU get all their stats boosted. BL/UU get +5, BL2/RU get +10, and BL3/NU or lower get +15.
  372. [13:57:19] @unfixable ♥: this creates a very defensively-oriented metagame
  373. [13:57:27] @unfixable ♥: some top threats include Alomomola and Politoed
  374. [13:57:43] @unfixable ♥: these aforementioned tiers all have permanent ladders
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  376. [13:58:15] @unfixable ♥: now, the portion everyone's been waiting for!
  377. [13:58:23] @unfixable ♥: Battles!
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  379. [13:58:35] @Pikachuun: horay
  380. [13:58:41] @unfixable ♥: Please challenge unfixable ♥, Eevee General, or Pikachuun if you'd like to battle!
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  382. [13:58:54] @unfixable ♥: unfixable ♥ = Almost Any Ability, Eevee General = STABmons, Pikachuun = Balanced Hackmons
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  384. [13:59:01] @unfixable ♥: Sample teams provided here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/other-metagames-workshop.3530146/
  385. [13:59:04] #Eevee General: I'm battling STABmons, if you don't have a team use this one http://pastebin.com/eRyP30Fn
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  387. [13:59:24] @unfixable ♥: We encourage you to battle us to see how the tier plays! We're going to battle one person each and then invite you all to watch!
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  389. [13:59:42] @unfixable ♥: First battle - Almost Any Ability versus malagras: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-almostanyability-212719001
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  391. [14:00:13] @unfixable ♥: in these battles, we encourage you to find interesting things, help each other improve, and generally watch some fun battles!
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  393. [14:00:32] @Pikachuun: First battle for me - Vs E4 Flint http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-balancedhackmons-212719115
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  395. [14:00:42] • #Eevee General waits patiently ;~;
  396. [14:01:02] @unfixable ♥: someone battle Eevee General ;_;
  397. [14:01:04] #Eevee General: STABmons battle http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-stabmons-212719297
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  399. [14:03:20] #Eevee General: My opponent lead with a Magnet Rise Klefki, which evaded Precipice Blades from my Garchomp!
  400. [14:03:28] @unfixable ♥: amazing!
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  402. [14:03:49] @unfixable ♥: In my battle, Knock Off just bopped a Doublade! Who knew Hariyama had so much power?!
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  404. [14:04:49] #Eevee General: Mega Charizard X now can use V-create, which is boosted by Tough Claws in STABmons
  405. [14:04:53] #Eevee General: It hits really hard!
  406. [14:05:03] @unfixable ♥: Belly Drum + Unburden is a great gift in my battle!
  407. [14:07:27] @unfixable ♥: Battle #2 versus Ransei: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-almostanyability-212720688
  408. [14:07:39] @unfixable ♥: malagras has now learned to be prepared for Hariyama next time!
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  410. [14:10:27] @Pikachuun: ;_;7
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  412. [14:10:42] @unfixable ♥: We're closing challenges now D:!
  413. [14:10:45] @unfixable ♥: we have another segment
  414. [14:10:46] @unfixable ♥: :p
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  416. [14:11:11] @Pikachuun: In that battle I got rekt by Magnet Pull Xerneas
  417. [14:11:27] #Eevee General: I have one more battle after this one
  418. [14:11:27] @unfixable ♥: noice
  419. [14:11:29] @Pikachuun: I had no moves to hit it with
  420. [14:11:38] @Pikachuun: because the imposter didn't have any moves to hit with it
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  422. [14:11:44] @Pikachuun: that's a good example on how to deal with imposter
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  424. [14:11:53] @unfixable ♥: Battle #3 versus Amariea: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-almostanyability-212721614
  425. [14:12:01] @Pikachuun: Tinted Lens Dialga was also a huge threat
  426. [14:12:30] @Pikachuun: My Registeel would've been unable to take a +3 Doom Desire despite it being Specially Defensive
  427. [14:12:33] @Pikachuun: so I was forced to stay in
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  429. [14:12:42] @Pikachuun: unfortunately for me I didn't KO with Ice Beam there
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  431. [14:14:23] @unfixable ♥: Now Amariea knows when to megaevolve Gyarados. Heh!
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  433. [14:15:18] @unfixable ♥: Battle #4 versus Grurk: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-almostanyability-212722406
  434. [14:15:25] @unfixable ♥: I'm closing AAA challenge requests now ~_~
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  436. Quick AttackNormalPhysicalPower
  437. 40Accuracy
  438. 100%PP
  439. 48Usually goes first.
  440. Priority: 1 |  ✓ Contact |  ✓ Blocked by Protect |  Target: One Adjacent Pokemon
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  442. [14:17:32] @unfixable ♥: Ransei won with a wonderful Entei :D!
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  444. [14:18:52] #Eevee General: jsuemeh won!
  445. [14:18:57] @unfixable ♥: We will now begin a Question / Answer session!
  446. [14:19:01] @unfixable ♥: PM unfixable your questions!
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  448. [14:19:27] @unfixable ♥: +Pikachuun: why am I so cool :^)
  449. [14:19:29] @unfixable ♥: you aren't
  450. [14:19:32] @unfixable ♥: next question?
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  452. [14:19:33] @Pikachuun: ;_;
  453. [14:19:51] @unfixable ♥: iloveyourpancreas: how viable is is physical defiant thund in stabmons
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  455. [14:19:57] @unfixable ♥: physical thundurus is very viable!
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  457. [14:20:05] @unfixable ♥: it's a nice catch all and lures in usual checks like chansey and such
  458. [14:20:10] @unfixable ♥: I reccomend
  459. [14:20:12] #Eevee General: Parting Shot is common
  460. [14:20:21] @unfixable ♥: Bolt Strike / Dragon Ascent / Knock Off / Superpower
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  462. [14:20:39] @Pikachuun: The sableye mentioned earlier typically carries Parting Shot
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  464. [14:20:43] @unfixable ♥: malagras: why pikachuun isn't cool ?
  465. [14:20:44] @Pikachuun: but it also carries will-o-wisp
  466. [14:20:44] @unfixable ♥: he's nerd ;_;
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  468. [14:20:58] @Pikachuun: so be careful when sending a defiant thundy in on it to get a +3 boost
  469. [14:21:03] @unfixable ♥: Grurk: why are magic bouncers so common in stabmons?
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  471. [14:21:10] @unfixable ♥: Magic Bounce is useful with the prominence of Sableye
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  473. [14:21:45] @unfixable ♥: oh shit
  474. [14:21:49] @unfixable ♥: laptop gonna diea :___;
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  476. [14:23:13] #Eevee General: PM me the questions if unfixable DCs
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  478. [14:23:53] #Eevee General: TTer: What OM would you recommand for people who are new to Oms to get into Othermetas?[14:24:24] #Eevee General: Monotype is an easier metagame to transition into from OU, or you can try PU which is similar to standard tiers also
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  480. [14:24:36] @unfixable ♥: okay
  481. [14:24:36] #Eevee General: iloveyourpancreas: how would one go about using mega sableye in STABmons?
  482. [14:24:37] @unfixable ♥: i am on mobile now
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  484. [14:24:47] @unfixable ♥: sorry i couldnt finish battles ;~;
  485. [14:25:02] @unfixable ♥: ooh I use m-sable a lot!
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  487. [14:25:07] #Eevee General: I think setup is good because it can't be taunted or roar/ww, but it can be phazed by other sableye's parting shot
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  489. [14:25:11] #Eevee General: I prefer regular sableye over mega
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  491. [14:25:12] @unfixable ♥: It works well on Stall
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  493. [14:25:33] @unfixable ♥: With Clefable / Tentacruel
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  495. [14:25:37] @unfixable ♥: Excellent WinCon
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  497. [14:25:58] #Eevee General: Amariea: what is hte best move set for sableye in stabmons? since there are so many good options to go with his prankster
  498. [14:26:05] #Eevee General: I prefer a standard sableye myself
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  500. [14:26:14] #Eevee General: with WOW/Taunt/Recover/Knock Off
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  502. [14:26:26] #Eevee General: but Dark Void/Parting Shot are very common
  503. [14:26:31] #Eevee General: and Topsy Turvy neuters setup
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  505. [14:26:36] @unfixable ♥: Flying Types Rule: Aegislash or Registeel in BH as a wall?
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  507. [14:27:05] @unfixable ♥: Pikachuun%
  508. [14:27:07] @unfixable ♥: ^*
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  510. [14:27:12] #Eevee General: I'm Average: is mega loppuny viable or banned in STABmons?
  511. [14:27:17] #Eevee General: Mega lop is banned
  512. [14:27:23] @Pikachuun: FTR: This depends on what you want
  513. [14:27:33] @unfixable ♥: malagras: can you tell me a good counter for will-o-wisp prankster pokemons in AAA because I Don't Use Enough Stall in it
  514. [14:27:37] @Pikachuun: Aegislash has a Fighting immunity, but is weak to Ghost types like Mega-Gengar
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  516. [14:27:45] @unfixable ♥: Fire-types in general work
  517. [14:27:51] @unfixable ♥: But the again, Magic Bounce is common
  518. [14:27:58] @Pikachuun: In most cases, I'd recommend registeel due to a higher overall bulk and lower speed
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  520. [14:28:07] @Pikachuun: (lower speed is useful for pivoting)
  521. [14:28:12] @unfixable ♥: Snaq's Challenge: To all three, what meta would you want to see coded on the main server
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  523. [14:28:23] @Pikachuun: Type Remix
  524. [14:28:24] @unfixable ♥: I dunno tbh!
  525. [14:28:29] @unfixable ♥: No Ability :D
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  527. [14:28:53] @Pikachuun: [14:28:43] Updated Kanto: Earlier you said pure power was banned in BH, so what would happen if you have a medicham with medichamite (the medicham's set ability is not pure power) and mega evolve into mega medicham with pure power?
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  529. [14:29:00] @Pikachuun: forgot to announce but whatever
  530. [14:29:11] @Pikachuun: Basically this is a loophole in the bans of BH. It will actually go through
  531. [14:29:15] @unfixable ♥: Nunuchu42: so how about togekiss in stabmons, is it a viable ss'er or is it too vulnerable to priority
  532. [14:29:23] @Pikachuun: so why is the item not banned? Because you have to run Medicham/Mega-Medicham in this example first
  533. [14:29:27] @unfixable ♥: Togekiss is an insalry good Geomancy yser
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  535. [14:29:32] @Pikachuun: and send it in safely and mega-evolve it
  536. [14:29:37] @unfixable ♥: Solid bulk and Oblivion Wing are excellent
  537. [14:29:39] @Pikachuun: which isn't exactly easy.
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  539. [14:29:58] @unfixable ♥: Phlogistinated 2: how do you counter prankster parting shot?
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  541. [14:30:14] @Pikachuun: Also, in most cases, Mega-Mewtwo-X is stronger
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  543. [14:30:18] @Pikachuun: and easier to get in
  544. [14:30:28] ~The Immortal: I have a question Pikachuun, is Light Ball Imposter Pikachu viable in today's meta
  545. [14:30:29] @Pikachuun: plus you don't need to mega-evolve it to recieve its 190 attack stat.
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  547. [14:30:56] @Pikachuun: The Immortal, as someone who's undergone a challenge for Balanced Hackmons and run Imposter Pikachu, it's a bit of a double-edged sword
  548. [14:31:15] @Pikachuun: on one hand, you have an exceptional amount of power behind it, essentially giving it a very solid niche, at the very least.
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  550. [14:31:28] @Pikachuun: On the other hand, if you don't imposter something bulky enough to take the hit
  551. [14:31:30] @Pikachuun: you die.
  552. [14:31:32] @Pikachuun: Instantly.
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  554. [14:31:47] @Pikachuun: Is it viable? Maybe. It's hard to execute, but it's very rewarding when you do so
  555. [14:31:55] @Pikachuun: (Plus you get brownie points from me)
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  557. [14:32:08] @Pikachuun: Nunuchu42: A while ago I saw someone using shift gear simple m-mawile then megaing it, seem viable?
  558. [14:32:16] @Pikachuun: It's a decent set if you can pull it off
  559. [14:32:28] @Pikachuun: but ofc you have to get it in safely and set up a shift gear first.
  560. [14:32:31] @unfixable ♥: Due note that Chansey makes it hard to do
  561. [14:32:50] @Pikachuun: Miltank the God: Do you feel the assist ban in BH was necessary or justified?
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  563. [14:32:56] @unfixable ♥: I do
  564. [14:33:06] @Pikachuun: Focus Punch was the 7th most used move on Groudon-P in high ladder
  565. [14:33:11] @Pikachuun: the question answers itself
  566. [14:33:13] @unfixable ♥: lol
  567. [14:33:24] @unfixable ♥: iloveyourpancreas: what are some other good prankster users in STABmons?
  568. [14:33:25] @Pikachuun: It only got trumped by V-Create by 1% usage :P
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  570. [14:33:48] @unfixable ♥: Not many, but Thundurus is nice
  571. [14:33:59] @unfixable ♥: Eevee General uses an Eerie Impulse version
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  573. [14:34:05] @Pikachuun: Flying Types Rule: What do you consider to be the most underrated pokemon in BH?
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  575. [14:34:15] @Pikachuun: This is an interesting question Pikachu
  576. Because moderated chat is set, you must be of rank Moderator or higher to speak in this room.
  577. [14:34:40] @Pikachuun: Personally, I've been running Hoopa-Unbound for a while on my serious team, and when it gets sent in and does work, it does an exceptional amount of work.
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  579. [14:34:51] @Pikachuun: It's completely, 100% imposter proof.
  580. [14:35:06] @Pikachuun: !data hoopa-u
  581. Unreleased
  582. Hoopa-UnboundPsychicDarkMagicianHP
  583. 80Atk
  584. 160Def
  585. 60SpA
  586. 170SpD
  587. 130Spe
  588. 80BST
  589. 680
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  591. [14:35:08] @Pikachuun: for reference
  592. [14:35:08] @unfixable ♥: Great work guys!
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  594. [14:35:16] @unfixable ♥: We're going to finish this up now.
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  596. [14:35:26] @unfixable ♥: We'll tuen off modchat terible doon!
  597. [14:35:40] @unfixable ♥: Thank you to Pikachuun Eevee General and The Immortal for joining me :D
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  599. [14:35:47] @unfixable ♥: hope you guys learned!
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