Server Meeting March 24, 2012

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Friday, March 23, 2012
11:59 PM - Valdrec: Sup
11:59 PM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: This is going to be fun.
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Elsheran entered chat.
Mai2500 entered chat.
Pirate King Reaver entered chat.
Saturday, March 24, 2012
12:01 AM - Mai2500: hello
12:01 AM - Elsheran: Hello
12:01 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Herro
12:02 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Herro.
12:02 AM - Valdrec: Hallo
12:02 AM - Furyion: Righty
12:03 AM - Mai2500: fury can i ask one question before the meeting starts properly
12:03 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Questions start at 5$
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12:03 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: But we have a 3 for 12 deal
12:03 AM - Mai2500: ok well why is the meeting 7 am gmt and not 7pm gmt like it normally is
12:04 AM - =KoL= Jamesflukeb: for the aussies?
12:04 AM - Mai2500: well then you guys would be waking up at 8 in the morning
12:05 AM - Elsheran: So, shall we get this party started? I need to go to sleep sometime soon so I can wake up in 5 hours...
12:05 AM - Mai2500: i agree with elsh
12:05 AM - =KoL= Jamesflukeb: indeed
12:05 AM - Pirate King Reaver: I'm just hoping for some defence against Mais beatings
12:05 AM - =KoL= Jamesflukeb: let us begin
12:05 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: we are 5 mins late
12:05 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: No.
12:05 AM - =KoL= Jamesflukeb: we're late late late?
12:05 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: You are.
12:06 AM - Mai2500: so are we going to start
12:06 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Liberty is such a bully
12:07 AM - Elsheran: tick tick tick
12:08 AM - Furyion: Also Ileros, were are also as well on Teamspeak as well discussing.
12:09 AM - Furyion: More like screwing off for now, until I get ace on
12:09 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Ahh, I'll be on now
12:10 AM - Elsheran: Please tell me the meeting, or at least important points, will be done in another 30 or 45 minutes?
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12:11 AM - Pirate King Reaver: I can't talk on Teamspeak, or type ¬_¬
12:11 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Mwhahahaha.
12:11 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Stop being mean!
12:11 AM - =KoL= Fps Jayden: Hello.
12:11 AM - Valdrec: Hello Dark
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12:12 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Herro
12:12 AM - =KoL= Jamesflukeb: hullo
12:12 AM - Frank: Heya
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12:16 AM - Elsheran: ...
12:16 AM - Furyion: Alright, server meeting will be starting momentarily.
12:16 AM - Pirate King Reaver: This meeting...
12:16 AM - =KoL= Fps Jayden: Awesome
12:17 AM - Mai2500: okey dokey
12:17 AM - Furyion: Ace is having some problesm with his Steam account, so I will gather with what he says via Skype.
12:17 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Egg Breaf
12:17 AM - Furyion: So, for the rules of the meeting is as followed
12:17 AM - Furyion: During the meeting and discussions, only the clan leaders are allowed to talk.  If regular members wish to talk, they must type *** and wait to be called upon.
12:18 AM - Furyion: The first topic is the KoA.
12:18 AM - Furyion: Due to present issues, there have been several opinions towards the KoA and the Agion, involving their presence there.
12:18 AM - Pirate King Reaver: What about me? Or do I wait until the vote ? >_>
12:18 AM - Valdrec: I ould use the *** for now
12:18 AM - Valdrec: *would
12:18 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Yeah
12:18 AM - Furyion: As Mai, who is standing in for Viros, has been informed of the conversation between Viros and Zedero
12:19 AM - Furyion: He has been shown what Viros thinks about the current situation.
12:19 AM - Mai2500: she*
12:19 AM - Furyion: So, all Clan Leaders, your intake of the KoA and the Agion and if they should remain.
12:19 AM - Furyion: this is an opinions right now, not votes
12:20 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Hm.
12:20 AM - Mai2500: i would like KoA to remain but it would depend if the KoA members would behave and respect the rules of the server,as i know there have been issues about it before.
12:22 AM - Furyion: Question Mai, do you think Viros will follow your opinion ?
12:22 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: We have decided that we support KoA staying on the server, However encourage Koa to seek A new leader, or leaders.
12:22 AM - Mai2500: I would also like for KoA members to get more involved with those of other clans, because so far I am probably the only member who talks with CoM.
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12:22 AM - =KoL= Bleese: Ok I'm here
12:22 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Welcome Bleese
12:23 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: Hello
12:23 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Ohai Bleese.
12:23 AM - =KoL= Bleese: Hey possibly blankhaven
12:23 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Hey Darkfire.
12:23 AM - =KoL= Bleese: hello Liberty
12:23 AM - Mai2500: I am not sure, it will depend if viros is going out for his one ends no but if he wants to make the clan better then he will follow my opinion.
12:23 AM - Mai2500: own*
12:23 AM - Elsheran: ***
12:24 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Yes Elsh?
12:24 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: You have the floor.
12:24 AM - Elsheran: I have had long standing reservations about Viros, but that is besides the point...
12:24 AM - Elsheran: The playerbase that has largely been attracted to KoA have been problematic to me.
12:25 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: What kind of problems?
12:25 AM - Elsheran: It seems to me that there is a primary conflict in the interests of the exsisting playerbase and the playerbase of KoA
12:26 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: I would absolutely agree wit the conflict of interest, that is something i have brought up already.
12:26 AM - Elsheran: There are attitude conflists, playstyle conflicts and otherwise obnoxious provacative behaviour
12:26 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Koa is a clan mroe focused on pvp, Viros has made that very clear to me. However, Many other membres are not interested in the Pillageing and conquering.
12:26 AM - Elsheran: Exactly, Blank.
12:27 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: That is why i would support their staying on the server given they get new management.
12:27 AM - =KoL= Bleese: Running a server with two major clans that have major differences doesn't usually work I have seen. However, I have also seen we've tried our best to maybe get two different worlds in which different attitudes can be present
12:27 AM - Valdrec: ***
12:28 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I pose the following query, what if we were to use a multiworld mod, where one world is PvP and one is purely creative
12:28 AM - Elsheran: Suvival rather than creative, I would recommend, just for clarity.
12:28 AM - =KoL= Bleese: yeah
12:28 AM - =KoL= Bleese: but either way
12:28 AM - Mai2500: That is why i have a few ideas to conenct the two clans and support both playstyles, but i completely understand what you're saying elsh, and i really think it was really the kind of barrier between the clans because we never really got introduced and we were just left in our own towns and no-one made the effort, which is what i think caused most of the issues.
12:28 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Eh, I am against having 2 seperate worlds, IT splits people apart and we have 2 half built worlds
12:29 AM - =KoL= Bleese: The question is, is two split worlds better than one conflicted world
12:29 AM - Mai2500: I think Bleese has a bit of a point
12:29 AM - Valdrec: ***
12:29 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: yes valdrec?
12:29 AM - Valdrec: KoA only really took the mantle of pvp very recently, like as they joined Agion. Generally speaking, through history, KoA has supposed to be doing the same as CoM
12:30 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I have not known that
12:30 AM - Valdrec: So the militeristic playstyle has been driven by leadership
12:30 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: That is what i understood untill Viros informed me as otherwise. Which also goes back to my support of new management.
12:30 AM - =KoL= Bleese: Viros claims to me that KoA has always been a militiristic clan
12:30 AM - physaliszero: ***
12:30 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Go ahead .
12:30 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: From many koa members ive spoken with, it hasnt been like that in the past
12:30 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: ANd yes phys?
12:31 AM - Mai2500: valdrec is right
12:31 AM - Elsheran: I would not be against the split, as it would allow for a 'pvp' zone of sorts. If you feel like it, go there. Hell, even I might go there once in a while, but I would generally avoid it. I would just like to be cooperative for the general play. Special exceptions are fine.
12:31 AM - =KoL= Bleese: The idea of making new management has a wealth of problems,
12:32 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: It has its benefits aswell.
12:32 AM - =KoL= Bleese: for one, it means that external clans are inteferring with internal clan matters, a concept of state soverignty needs to be kept
12:32 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: We arent requireing that koa gets new management, It is merely the condition of my support.
12:32 AM - =KoL= Bleese: KoA could see our involvement in their leadership as a decleration of hostility
12:33 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Koa can stay as far as i am concerned, but they will not have my support with the current leadership.
12:33 AM - Valdrec: ***
12:33 AM - =KoL= Bleese: Valdrec
12:33 AM - =KoL= Jamesflukeb: I concur with Blank
12:34 AM - Mai2500: Well i don't and if i show Church and Zoom the chat log Viros had with Zed they will make sure that there is no hostility.
12:34 AM - Valdrec: The issue with KoA, as I understand it, is that a large portion of the members don't like Agion, but VIROS is still big about
12:34 AM - Valdrec: it
12:34 AM - Valdrec: So a change in leadership wouldn't actually benefit them on this server
12:34 AM - Valdrec: If anything, it would cut any ties they still had here
12:34 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Mai, Who is currently on the Koa Council that has the power to replace Viros
12:35 AM - Valdrec: As far as Agion is concerned, but not the clan proper
12:35 AM - Elsheran: Valdrec's point seems valid. There was a brief amount of talk of the KoA clan splitting when Viros took over just before this Agion Map.
12:36 AM - =KoL= Bleese: If a clan doesn't want us to be on our server and is also causing some minor problems, even if it is just the management, why have them?
12:36 AM - =KoL= Bleese: doesn't want to*
12:36 AM - Mai2500: If i am being honest with you Valdrec there has been a lot of arguments between KoA and other clans that really shouldn't of happened.
12:36 AM - Valdrec: A lot of that has been my fault
12:37 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: If they dont want to be on the server, Then they are free to leave. I never heard that koa did not want to be  on the server so that is new to me
12:37 AM - =KoL= Bleese: it is new to me too
12:37 AM - Furyion: As it was new to me and Zedero, before Zedero's conversation with Viros earlier this week.
12:37 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Which begs the question
12:37 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Do they not want to be here, or does viros not want them to be here
12:37 AM - Furyion: In which Viros asked if he made the KoA leave, if he could stay as a Staff member
12:38 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I do not like that idea
12:38 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: If they don't want to be on the server, let them leave. But not on the price of having Viros as staff member.
12:38 AM - =KoL= Bleese: We're not trying to Bribe Viros
12:39 AM - =KoL= Jamesflukeb: that was never the plan
12:39 AM - Furyion: He won't, his past history with being Staff Admin has shown what he was capable of.
12:39 AM - Elsheran: It sounds like KoA is going through some degree of internal strife and needs to form a solid identity for the type of members they are composed of.
12:39 AM - Valdrec: ***
12:39 AM - Mai2500: Like I said on the teamspeak I really think KoA members would like to stay if they started getting involved with members from other clans.
12:39 AM - Furyion: So as a foreclosure then, let the KoA handle out their internal strife, and hopefully support what they have to say?
12:40 AM - Valdrec: ***
12:40 AM - =KoL= Bleese: Valdrec you can speak
12:40 AM - Valdrec: This isnlt a new strife, it's been going on for a couple of years
12:40 AM - Valdrec: So waiting for it to solve itself could be an indefinate time
12:40 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I don't thhink server staff need to be involved in internal clan relations
12:41 AM - =KoL= Bleese: nor do external clans, unless in the form of aid
12:41 AM - =KoL= Fps Jayden: ***
12:41 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: I agree with bleese on that.
12:42 AM - =KoL= Bleese: Jayden speak :3
12:42 AM - =KoL= Fps Jayden: Wait, nevermind.
12:42 AM - =KoL= Bleese: ok
12:42 AM - =KoL= Fps Jayden: Im being an idiot.
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12:42 AM - =KoL= Bleese: Now
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12:42 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I think we shouldn't, unfortunately, in this meeting
12:43 AM - Elsheran: My concern is for playerbase unity and cohesion, regardless of clans identity. If everyone is respectful and plays well together, that's fine. The point in asking KoA to collectively form an identity is so we can know whether they will be a fit for the current playerbase or not.
12:43 AM - =KoL= Bleese: worry about the internal stability of KoA unless members of KoA actively seek out external clan aid
12:43 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Couldent have said that better myself Elsh.
12:43 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: Sorry, cut out there, could someone copy paste between Jayden speak and I think we shouldn't, unfortunately, in this meeting
12:43 AM - Furyion: Here is what Ace had to say "If KoA wishes to leave, let them.  However, I will not be criticized by some idiots who state that I'm being biased when al I was doing was helping a Visitor out with finding a clan that wasn't the KoA"
12:43 AM - Furyion: (Ace is speaking to me through Skype, since Steam is screwing up for him and he dislikes Teamspeak)
12:44 AM - Mai2500: with koa its mostly just a third want to mine a third want pvp and a third want to build.
12:44 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Add me as a friend and i can message it to you Darkfire
12:44 AM - Furyion: As for what Ace has to say, I have to second it.  The KoA have done a good job of ridiculing my staff when it involves their members' problems, their problems are their own.
12:44 AM - =KoL= Bleese: Indeed
12:44 AM - Furyion: When their problems involve the server, it's when I will get concerned.
12:45 AM - Furyion: And when it spills onto the server, I will get involved.
12:45 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: I absolutely agree with koa aswell.
12:45 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: *Ace
12:45 AM - Furyion: But I hope that the other clans and their leaers share their advice when it comes to that
12:45 AM - Elsheran: Agree with Fury here.
12:45 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Agree.
12:45 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I think that we need to appropriately state the problems and possible solutions to these scenarios
12:46 AM - =KoL= Bleese: Right now, for me, it seems more of a stream of consciousness without any real order
12:46 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Thats prety much what we are doing, just throwing out ideas and discussing them
12:47 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I don't think much can be done using a method like that, I believe we need to take a structured approuch so we know exactly what we're talking about, some ways to fix it, the pros and cons of each way, the feeling of each way on each emmebr
12:47 AM - =KoL= Bleese: It's important to just talk about things, but, I believe, to truly make headway we need to actually consult the problem head on
12:48 AM - =KoL= Bleese: In which case.
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12:48 AM - Furyion: True, so Mai if you could, would you mind finding out what the KoA members want?
12:49 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I would say the current problem, as Elsh stated, is that KoA's play style is different to that of CoM's and KoL's
12:49 AM - Furyion: Yes true.
12:49 AM - Valdrec: ***
12:49 AM - Mai2500: KoA want fun they want something to do.
12:49 AM - Furyion: yes Val
12:49 AM - Valdrec: Current play style
12:49 AM - Elsheran: I propose that KoA, as a clan, reapplies to join the server. They also need to stress respect of Server rules and Server Staff to their members as there has been specific problems in that regard. The server needs to find ways to address PVP, either by disabling it, or finding ways to support it that does not alienate established playerbase.
12:49 AM - =KoL= Bleese: The reasons for that follow under three main catagories. Internal clan instability, Current management and their playerbase
12:50 AM - Furyion: A good proposal.  Ace and I agree
12:50 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: I agree aswell.
12:50 AM - Furyion: Liberty?
12:50 AM - Mai2500: Most of them are complaining that they are bored and have nothing to do on the server.
12:50 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: What is it that they want to do though
12:50 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: he rest of us find things to do, we build, we explore, we find ways to have fun
12:51 AM - Mai2500: And i think that it is because of the barrier between the clans
12:51 AM - =KoL= Bleese: Because of a different clan playstyle, I thought that was already established
12:51 AM - Valdrec: ***
12:51 AM - Furyion: So next topic Mai is one that you should be interested in.  This is a discussion on inter-clan relations and events.
12:52 AM - Furyion: What would the KoA (as you have seen from your experience) would like to see on the Agion?
12:52 AM - Furyion: WHat kind of inter-clan events?
12:52 AM - Mai2500: Spleef and PvP have been the most ones that they enjoy.
12:52 AM - Furyion: Would they like to see a world just for pvp or more pvp-related events?
12:53 AM - Mai2500: Well most KoA members do like a safe haven aswell so i would say just pvp related events
12:53 AM - Furyion: So as you have proposed earlier, the construction of a inter-related amusement park system that consisted of these things would help the KoA with staying on the server?
12:53 AM - Elsheran: I can support PVP events, like War Weekends with open PVP, or capture the flag style PVP events/areas.
12:54 AM - Mai2500: probablyvyeah
12:54 AM - Furyion: Such as make a neutral area (perhaps at spawn) that ocul dhouse these events? Or perhaps have a separate unique event in each city
12:54 AM - Furyion: That woudl be good as well Elsheran, we could open up WarZones for that
12:54 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: I can support pvp events, but i still dislike open pvp  outside of events.
12:54 AM - Mai2500: I'd say a neutral area which will encourage members from other clans to talk and that
12:54 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I agree with Blank
12:55 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Mai, how would Koa feel about a bi-weekly building contest in creative that would be displayed at spawn
12:55 AM - Elsheran: I also second BLank
12:55 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Since that iw one of the events I discussed in the past
12:55 AM - Mai2500: I think they would enjoy that
12:55 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: People are saying they are bored ANd rightfully so, we had planned on doing a lot of server events but that hasnt panned out
12:56 AM - Elsheran: *Cough* "Lost Pearl?" *Cough*
12:56 AM - Mai2500: Well if my amusement park idea is as well as i think it is it will increase activity indefinitely
12:56 AM - Furyion: Haha..the lost pearl...
12:56 AM - Furyion: that is still to be debuted
12:56 AM - Furyion: Did I mention that already?
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12:57 AM - Furyion: Alright, well, the idea behind "The Lost Pearl" is with what happened on the server on the last map involving Heroes and the Dragon's Egg event.  A TON of members showed up to the second round of it and wanted another encore.
12:57 AM - Elsheran: Is anybody here familar with Sethbling from Youtube?
12:58 AM - Furyion: The Lost Pearl will be just that, I will be looking for more helpers with setting it up in the near future, but Ace will be leading the project due to I am still settling in to my new command.
12:58 AM - Furyion: Other than that, on to the next topic?
12:58 AM - Furyion: The PoW
12:58 AM - Elsheran: Perhaps we could cut in some of his mini-games, which are up for download off his videos.
12:58 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I think nothing more needs to be discussed on this topic
12:58 AM - Furyion: Mini-Games woudl be good
12:58 AM - Furyion: Alright, onto the PoW
12:58 AM - =KoL= Bleese: PoW?
12:59 AM - Mai2500: Pirates of the Old World
12:59 AM - Furyion: Pirates of the Old WOrld is being ran by Ileras (also known as Reaver)
12:59 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I'm not aware of what this is, but I'm sure I'll catch on later in the convo :3
1:00 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: CoM is positive on having PoW on the server.
1:00 AM - Furyion: They are wishing to apply to join us on the server as a small clan, and hopefully soon as a Major Clan
1:00 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: KoL is also for it.
1:00 AM - Furyion: SHould we go to a vote? Or would you like to hear some words from Reaver?
1:00 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: I will support Pow only if they change their name to PIrates of the Watermellon.
1:00 AM - Furyion: ...*nom nom*
1:00 AM - Furyion: Bacon...
1:00 AM - Furyion: Damn  you magix!
1:00 AM - Pirate King Reaver: I'm eating a watermellon right niw
1:00 AM - Elsheran: I have one question
1:01 AM - Mai2500: KoA support PoW
1:01 AM - Furyion: So it is official then, Welcome Pirate King Reaver and your filthy crew to the Agion
1:01 AM - Elsheran: We had another 'Pirate' clan recently. They raided people, and when they had noone left to raid got bored and left. What is PoW like in that regard?
1:01 AM - Valdrec: Whoooo!
1:01 AM - Furyion: You can now join in on the server meeting as a Clan Leader
1:01 AM - =KoL= Bleese: haha
1:01 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Yayzers
1:01 AM - Valdrec: ***
1:02 AM - Elsheran: Ok, Answered on TS.
1:02 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: Yes valdrec?
1:02 AM - Valdrec: I was going to explain about PoW
1:03 AM - Valdrec: basically people joined Pirates of the infinate horizons expecting pirate themed fun, but they were really childish and bad
1:03 AM - Valdrec: And people who wanted ti done properly split off and started PoW
1:03 AM - Valdrec: *it
1:03 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Raiding without Power, Backstabbing allies etc...
1:03 AM - Pirate King Reaver: We aren't like that
1:03 AM - Valdrec: You should see our Ship palace
1:04 AM - Furyion: Alright, next topic?
1:04 AM - Elsheran: kk, thank you. Being that we have the welcome done, we should move on to the next item.
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1:04 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Pepsimax statues in spawn city.
1:04 AM - Furyion: Factions is the next topic.
1:04 AM - Furyion: As most were aware of, Factions was voted in, but never discussed on how it shoudl be setup.
1:05 AM - Furyion: As Viros has complained and stated, he and the KoA want a bigger emphasis on the claiming of land for his Faction
1:05 AM - Furyion: But it came at no price
1:05 AM - Furyion: In which, Factions was a benefit for small clans since they did not have a worldguarded city of their own.
1:05 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Btw Furyion, seeing as this is my first meeting, I think I'll sit back for a while and see how this goes, I will talk when I wish to state my opinion
1:06 AM - Furyion: Very good Reaver
1:06 AM - Furyion: So, any views on Factions?  Any complaints on how it is being ran as so far?
1:06 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: I m against factions being used to claim extra land
1:06 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Agree.
1:06 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Pirate King - Pirate Council - Captain - Bucaneer
1:06 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: We do not want people to claim the whole world with factions.
1:07 AM - Valdrec: Isn't it Pirate lord?
1:07 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Just to start a war.
1:07 AM - Elsheran: Factions, with a reasonable cost, allowed players and clans to create sattelite and independant towns.
1:07 AM - Mai2500: Viros is right with that, they have been wanting to expand but probably not in the way viros describes
1:07 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Yeah, Pirate Lord but they are a member of the Council
1:07 AM - Valdrec: Okay
1:07 AM - Furyion: Alright, so First Question:  SHould Factions be setup so that it doesn't have to be apart of an already claimed area?
1:08 AM - Elsheran: Define 'claimed area'?
1:08 AM - Furyion: Anything that is already claimed, sucha s the main cities (capitals)
1:08 AM - Furyion: It is how they are already setup, so that they cant go right next to CoM City and claim the area outside of its gate
1:09 AM - Mai2500: yeah I think we should do that.
1:10 AM - Elsheran: Oh, yes, claims should be contiguous.
1:10 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Yes
1:10 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Agreeing with Elsheran
1:10 AM - Furyion: KoL? Your opinion?
1:10 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Agree with the opinion that makes most sense
1:10 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: (Elsh)
1:11 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: I basically think that theres advantages to being able to have remote areas and towns.
1:12 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: But, it sorta decentralises things.
1:12 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: We're not strong either way.
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1:12 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I apologize, internet >.>
1:14 AM - Furyion: We were talking about the First Question of Factions
1:14 AM - =KoL= Bleese: ok
1:14 AM - Furyion: 1:07 AM - Furyion: Alright, so First Question:  SHould Factions be setup so that it doesn't have to be apart of an already claimed area?
1:08 AM - Elsheran: Define 'claimed area'?
1:08 AM - Furyion: Anything that is already claimed, sucha s the main cities (capitals)
1:08 AM - Furyion: It is how they are already setup, so that they cant go right next to CoM City and claim the area outside of its gate
1:09 AM - Mai2500: yeah I think we should do that.
1:10 AM - Elsheran: Oh, yes, claims should be contiguous.
1:10 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Yes
1:10 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Agreeing with Elsheran
1:14 AM - Furyion: 1:10 AM - Furyion: KoL? Your opinion?
1:10 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Agree with the opinion that makes most sense
1:10 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: (Elsh)
1:11 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: I basically think that theres advantages to being able to have remote areas and towns.
1:12 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: But, it sorta decentralises things.
1:12 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: We're not strong either way.
=KoL= Bleese entered chat.
1:15 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I disagree with darkfire002 on this one
1:16 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I think it's important to have an open variety of towns and allow players to freebuild towns wherever they please
1:16 AM - =KoL= Bleese: though
1:16 AM - =KoL= Bleese: at the same time
1:16 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: As Do I, I support the Faction claims be connecting.
1:16 AM - =KoL= Bleese: centralisation is important
1:16 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: If we open free claims, we will encounter the Ghost town problem we had in the ppast
1:17 AM - Furyion: Alright, so onto the next question since this one has been answered.
1:17 AM - Furyion: Question Two: Shoudl claiming land cost money?
1:17 AM - Furyion: Should**
1:17 AM - Mai2500: yes
1:17 AM - Elsheran: Also, historically, new towns would expand out from major cities until they grew far enough away and large enough to stand on their own.
1:17 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Money is an interesting topic of its own
1:17 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I think there should be some limitation to claiming land
1:17 AM - Valdrec: ***
1:17 AM - Furyion: Yes Valdrec?
1:17 AM - Mai2500: That will stop people claiming large 100x100 blocks of land for free
1:17 AM - Valdrec: Yes, but the shop prices need to be properly balanced
1:18 AM - Elsheran: Yes, Land should be costly and something to strive towards.
1:18 AM - Valdrec: Because diamonds were 7 diamonds whe a dirt stack was like 2
1:18 AM - Furyion: Which they would, I would ask for the opinion of both the Economy Experts and anybody who wished to give their opinion on that matter
1:18 AM - Furyion: So the members would setup the claimed property price, but remember that claiming lost shoudl be costly as well.
1:19 AM - Elsheran: Upkeep would be an economy money sink, which all game economies end up needing.
1:19 AM - Furyion: Alright, so back to Claiming land? CoM's answer?
1:19 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: hM.
1:20 AM - Mai2500: well how about different prices for different sizes
1:20 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: We agree.
1:20 AM - Mai2500: like Village-25x25= $25
1:20 AM - Valdrec: There is a dynamic economy plugin, that changes prices based on how often they're bought and sold
1:20 AM - Mai2500: Town-50x50=$50
1:20 AM - Mai2500: etc etc
1:21 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Im still not big when it comes to money in minecraft in general
1:21 AM - Elsheran: Mai, they are typically one chunk based scaling system, so it can be expanded when folks can afford it and have need to.
1:21 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: me either
1:21 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I also agree with Blank
1:22 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: I'm not sure how KoL feels as a whole though.
1:22 AM - =KoL= Bleese: yeah
1:23 AM - Elsheran: Money is Lube for bartering. Makes it go smoother to exchange goods and get everyone what they need.
1:23 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: I just feel that the fundamental problem is that minecraft wasnt made to have money, So it doesnt work
1:23 AM - =KoL= Bleese: Minecraft was about trading,
1:23 AM - =KoL= Bleese: trading from goods to goods, a currency is very hard to put in place
1:23 AM - =KoL= Bleese: unless it's somehow dynamic
1:26 AM - Elsheran: As Furyion is saying on TS, money becomes casual and convinent when you haven't just started, because I know I can easily go find whatever items I want (save netherwart or blaze rods when folks destroy the sources) so money is just easy to ask for an item and make a quick exchange.
1:26 AM - Furyion: Exactly, the answer to the complaint about  money is that we need to find ways to implement money into the game, besides trading.
1:27 AM - Furyion: We had ecrocreature early on for giving money to adventurers
1:27 AM - Elsheran: So, can we move to a vote on the FActions land claims?
1:27 AM - Furyion: Sure
1:27 AM - Furyion: CoM?
1:27 AM - Furyion: Claim land costs money?
1:27 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Yes.
1:27 AM - Furyion: Alright, KoL?
1:28 AM - =KoL= Bleese: hmm
1:28 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: Yes.
1:28 AM - Furyion: KoA?
1:28 AM - Mai2500: Yes.
1:29 AM - Furyion: Alright, PoW?
1:29 AM - Furyion: Sha-PAOW!
1:29 AM - Valdrec: Reaver's feeling ill, we vote yes
1:29 AM - Furyion: Alright
1:29 AM - =KoL= Bleese: unanimous :3
1:29 AM - Furyion: Elsheran? Your intake?
1:29 AM - Elsheran: I support it.
1:30 AM - Furyion: Ace and I support the matter as well.  Decision on the cost will come later on once we get everything settled in with the people who weren't here.
1:30 AM - Furyion: Third Overall Question: Any other complaints about Factions that need to be brought up?
1:30 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Nope.
1:31 AM - =KoL= Bleese: not for me
1:31 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: None
1:31 AM - Furyion: Alrighty
1:31 AM - Elsheran: Individual/ non-clanned factions? (I wanna be freeeeeee)
1:31 AM - Furyion: Ah yes that,
1:31 AM - Mai2500: Yes i like that idea
1:32 AM - Furyion: As most people have known, Admins have been setting up the Faction creation for now.
1:32 AM - Furyion: Should it be brought back for members to create and use? Or should it remain clan-based?
1:32 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I personally think it should remain clan based :3
1:32 AM - Mai2500: For members
1:32 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: Me also
1:32 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: I also agree that it should be Clan Based.
1:32 AM - Valdrec: I think it's best set clan based, or you get a thousand one-person towns
1:32 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: sounds like another way to get ghost town
1:32 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Comming back to the ghost town problem.
1:33 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: Clan Based.
1:33 AM - Furyion: ALrighty no more said :P
1:33 AM - =KoL= Bleese: XD
1:33 AM - Furyion: Next topic, is the Donator rank
1:34 AM - Elsheran: Ok, on that point, I'm out for the night. Good night.
1:34 AM - Furyion: It has been an issue that has been asked to be broght up.  So here is my answer on it, yes, it will be coming back.
1:34 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: Good night
Elsheran left chat.
1:34 AM - Valdrec: Neat
1:34 AM - Furyion: Onto the questions now, the permissions.
1:35 AM - Furyion: As most people have asked for, /tpa and /tpahere have been asked for.  The Donator rank could give them such things.
1:35 AM - Mai2500: well if we are keeping it clan based why not have like a Donater town
1:35 AM - Furyion: What else besides those commands should be given?
1:35 AM - Furyion: A Donator District in Spawn would be nice
1:35 AM - =KoL= Bleese: yeah :3
1:35 AM - Valdrec: The ability to rank people from visitor to clan member
1:35 AM - Mai2500: and have Donator as a clan
1:35 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Donators should not have the ability to rank people
1:36 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: If that is waht you are suggesting valdrec
1:36 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: i don't think they should be either.
1:36 AM - =KoL= Bleese: I agree, donators shouldn't rank people
1:36 AM - Valdrec: Hm, alright then
1:36 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Yeah Fury, how do you rank people up to Citizen?
1:37 AM - =CoM=  (ZeroCraft) Liberty: ./pex user examplename123 group set PoW_Citizen
1:38 AM - Furyion: pex user <user> group add <group>
1:38 AM - physaliszero: ***
1:38 AM - =KoL= Darkfire002: yeah phy?
Furyion has changed their name to Hookers 4 Lyfe Yo Furyion.
1:39 AM - physaliszero: as a former donator on the unnamed server just as personal input donators should more or less be restricted to /back and /tpa
1:39 AM - physaliszero: /tpahere seems like a bit to much
1:40 AM - physaliszero: lot of issues in the past with donators having /tphere
1:40 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Agreed
1:40 AM - Valdrec: I think Donators should maybe have extra protected chests off the bat
1:40 AM - Hookers 4 Lyfe Yo Furyion: Protected Chests would be good.
1:40 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Thats an intereting idea
1:41 AM - Pirate King Reaver: I don't have enough permission for the rank command
1:41 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: I'll do it
1:42 AM - Mai2500: isn't there a /tpahere command
1:42 AM - Hookers 4 Lyfe Yo Furyion: Also, another topic is the Expert Citizen Rank (aka Advance Builder)
1:42 AM - Mai2500: then why not have /tpahere instead of /tphere
Hookers 4 Lyfe Yo Furyion has changed their name to Furyion.
1:43 AM - Furyion: This rank ties into what we have as a reward for major clans.
1:43 AM - Furyion: This next topic or info ties to only Major Clans.  So small clans, get to major clans for this next thing ASAP
1:44 AM - Furyion: As a reward for good behavior, activity on the server, possibly winning particular events (such as building and pvp) the STaff want to give more to the clans.
1:45 AM - Furyion: One reward, by far, that could be given would be upgrades or extensions to WorldGuarded regions.  For helping out the server and being proactive and healthy towards the server, we'll look to rewarding you guys with what palyers want.
1:45 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Speaking of worldguard regions, Com is out of space
1:45 AM - Furyion: With extending the borders of the WorldGuard region by 50 or 100 in every direction, we will give you guys more room to build
1:45 AM - Furyion: As blank just said.
1:45 AM - Furyion: That is one reward
1:45 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: We have new members but nowwhere to put them
1:46 AM - Furyion: Another involved the Expert Citizens rank
1:46 AM - Furyion: Each major clan could start off with an equal amount of Exp Citizens rank, in which you can give to your members.
1:47 AM - Furyion: A reward like Exp Citizens rank could be given for events such as like Spleef or PVp or even the Construction event, where instead of items, mroe addition Exp Citizen rank slots could be given to the winning clan.
1:47 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Shouldent the number of  expert ranks be preportional to the number of active players?
1:47 AM - Furyion: So not only is the clan being rewarded for winning, the members are as well
1:48 AM - Valdrec: (Blank, you unintenionally banned me)
1:48 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Yeah, thats a bu
1:48 AM - Pirate King Reaver: bug
1:49 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Try to join now vla
1:49 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Val
1:50 AM - physaliszero: ***
1:50 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Yes Phys?
1:51 AM - physaliszero: i actually really like your proportional idea because one issue we had trying to do inter clan events and what not in the past were trivialized due to the fact that one clan would grossly outnumber the other clans due to timezone/inactivity/etc
1:53 AM - physaliszero: as far as having exp cit as rewards in events esp
1:53 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Blank
1:53 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: Ive come to realize that the preportional idea wouldent exactly work out, due to the issue with saying, How many people are active
1:53 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Val can't join, he got the "You cannot join this server" bug
1:54 AM - MIGHT BE Blankhaven: i am working on it
1:54 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Ahh, cool
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2:07 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Liberty
2:07 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Make me some foods
2:11 AM - physaliszero: g'night guys
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2:11 AM - Mai2500: so who wants to play would you rather
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2:11 AM - Pirate King Reaver: Would you rather kick Fury in the teeth or Talk to Liberty for more than 5 mins