GWx Creature Control Advice stuff

11:55 PM] Feminine Desires: Oh, Noble Hierarch should be removed in all versions
[11:55 PM] theonlyangelx (she/her): Ok, cool. I might try to brew a Naya deck too, just for fun.
[11:55 PM] Feminine Desires: After I've done extensive testing with it, I realized I needed 6+ dorks for effective turn 3 Coco, and that was not good.

[11:58 PM] Feminine Desires: If you check out the maybe board of this
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-o-ring-effect/
you'll find all the cards I think can be used in that archetype since ... xln

[11:59 PM] Feminine Desires: I don't think I've checked since DOM.
[11:59 PM] Feminine Desires: But I feel like the only cards since DOM that would be good are Knight of Autumn and Deputy of Detention.
[12:00 AM] Feminine Desires: Which unfortunately only targets opponents stuff, so you can't do an infinite lifegain loop that easily (which you can sometimes do, though rarely, with three fiend hunters and an auriok champion)
[12:01 AM] Feminine Desires: Keep in mind if you are running Coco (which you should really, it's quite important) you have room for at most 18 non 3cmc-or-lower-creatures.(edited)
[12:07 AM] Feminine Desires: Your removal suit that is noncreature is pretty much PtE and Settle the Wreckage, not much else is needed since creatures are your predominant form of preventing the opponents boardstate. These two noncreature removal sources are there because PtE is really cheap to abuse with Eternal Witness and hits everything, while Settle is one-sided wipe and helps you against Eldrazi.

Your mana base is either 21 or 22 lands, depending on your 3+ drop creature density. If you don't have 8+ 2 or lower drop creatures, 22. Otherwise 21.

You should have at most, 2, 4-5 cmc drop "bombs" in the deck. Things like Reveillark, [[Blood Clock]], [[Ephara, God of Polis]] that result in lots of synergy and/or recursion.

[12:09 AM] Feminine Desires: My next iteration will definitely be GWu, running spell queller, fiend hunter, eternal witness, [[Deputy of Detention]] and auriok champion as the main creature suit. Probably won't run Flickerwisp because I don't need them with spell queller and deputy.

[12:11 AM] Feminine Desires: There's Knight of Autumn that could probably be easily ran over Kataki since most times I also decide to run chalice and engineered explosives in the side to. Also with settle and deputy kataki isn't that necessary.
[12:12 AM] Feminine Desires: (Knight of Autum could also just be a mainboard inclusion ...)
[12:14 AM] Feminine Desires: I would be wary of your Field of Ruin and Ghost Quarter count
[12:15 AM] Feminine Desires: Depending on your deck and how mana symbol intensive it is (which it usually is quite mana symbol intensive), it can screw you over. However it is quite important to have any luck against Tron or Eldrazi.
[12:15 AM] Feminine Desires: Though ...
[12:15 AM] Feminine Desires: Deputy of Detention is a really big buff against those decks.

[12:24 AM] Feminine Desires: Now depending on how aggressive you want to be determines on whether or not you want a human base with [[Thalia's Lieutenant]], or go tempo focused with [[Voice of Resurgence]]. Keep in mind your meta will very much determine what is mainboarded.

If control, delver, tempo etc is prominent, Voice, Gaddock Teeg, Chalice are all strong cards. You can even have your 2 4+ drops be creatures that can't be countered.

If affinity, rdw, dredge, hollow one etc are prominent, things like Knight of Autumn, Mirran Crusader, Thalia's Lieutenant, Kitchen Finks, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben should be mainboarded.

If tron/eldrazi/valakut are prominent, you'll need to go GW for the land destruction and focus really heavily on humans with thalia's lieutenant, and any meta hate human first striker/double striker.

Note that the one creature which probably never wants to be removed because it enables you to go into the long game against pretty much any deck is Auriok Champion.