[21:16:04] HybridGundam: OH MY FUCKING GOD.
[21:16:12] HybridGundam: S;G movie too awesome.
[21:16:13] HybridGundam: x3
[21:16:39] Swageyama: aah thanks for reminding me I still need to watch the series
[21:16:39] +KenjiTheEngi: How your rate your anime is up to you Dylans, ratings are not objective.
[21:16:57] +KenjiTheEngi: I can give a 4/10 or a 1/10 or a 10/10 to any show I feel deserves it by my standards
[21:17:46] %Jlakay423: ratings could be more objective
[21:17:55] %Jlakay423: if you just ignore the enjoyment aspect of anime
[21:17:59] HybridGundam: ^
[21:18:01] %Dylans101: ^^^
[21:18:18] HybridGundam: Which would defeat the purpose all in itself of what it truly means to consume such facade of the entertainment industry.
[21:18:20] HybridGundam: It's just like music.
[21:18:32] HybridGundam: Music can be rated objectively
[21:18:44] HybridGundam: but that's why Pink Floyd albums are 9/10 average
[21:18:53] HybridGundam: while Breaking Benjamin albums are 5/10 average
[21:18:54] +KenjiTheEngi: I'm not here to debate about a show I saw ages ago. Scores for anime can't be 100% objective even if you factor out enjoyment. Things like pandering can not be scaled.
[21:19:10] HybridGundam: even though, personally, I think Breaking Benjamin is way better of a band overall when compared to Pink Floyd.
[21:19:33] HybridGundam: No.
[21:19:36] %Dylans101: Yes kenji nothing can be 100% objective but when you call a show bad because you didn't enjoy it. That's much more subjective than objective
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[21:20:05] HybridGundam: The matter of objectively critiquing anime is no different than the endeavor to objectively criticize a work of art by, say, Picasso.
[21:20:20] HybridGundam: The part that causes the gray area is the rubric.
[21:21:06] HybridGundam: No one said that what contrasts good quality anime from bad must be measured by, no more no less, by performance in the following categories: artwork/animation, characters, story/plot, sound, wholesomeness.
[21:21:27] HybridGundam: You can say sound isn't an important enough aspect when rating the goodness of an anime
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[21:21:50] %Jlakay423: Bloo begs to differ
[21:21:53] %Jlakay423: :^)
[21:21:56] HybridGundam: while, on the other hand, you can say that a good anime must consider the length of the anime itself.
[21:22:01] @Iris Heart: based iwasaki makes every show better
[21:22:03] %Dylans101: Sound is probably what I rate the least on
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[21:22:07] HybridGundam: ^
[21:22:09] %Dylans101: I love a good OST but sound means not much to me
[21:22:15] HybridGundam: What if I say that sound is the #1 aspect of an anime?
[21:22:17] @Iris Heart: sound is one of the most important aspects of atmosphere
[21:22:22] @Iris Heart: atmosphere
[21:22:27] @Iris Heart: is #1
[21:22:28] HybridGundam: OP, ED, soundtracks, quality of the voice actor/actresses, etc...
[21:22:33] HybridGundam: See?
[21:22:36] %Jlakay423: Bloo, does music make an anime better
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[21:22:41] @Iris Heart: no
[21:22:43] +KenjiTheEngi: Atmosphere is extremely broad
[21:22:46] @Iris Heart: well sometimes
[21:22:46] HybridGundam: I might not think atmosphere is as important as the quality of the storyline.
[21:22:51] HybridGundam: And thus
[21:22:54] %Jlakay423: stop flipping sides on me ;-;
[21:23:00] +S☆E☆G☆M☆R: a really bid va can make something be annoying tho
[21:23:06] %Jlakay423: you're supposed to say, "ofc anime can be rated objectively"
[21:23:07] HybridGundam: the quality of an anime is just like justice
[21:23:11] @Iris Heart: a good anime will be enhanced by a god soundtrack
[21:23:15] HybridGundam: it's completely dependent on the viewer itself
[21:23:25] HybridGundam: and is, inherently, by nature, SUBJECTIVE
[21:23:37] %Jlakay423: not really
[21:23:40] HybridGundam: so while I may think that Mars of Destruction is shit and Steins;Gate is awesome
[21:23:56] +Ful: i feel i'm gonna get trolled
[21:24:05] +Ful: because i'm giving a shiny volbeat for a "6iv" ditto
[21:24:11] @Iris Heart: and yes anime can be rated objectively
[21:24:17] HybridGundam: some other anime watcher could have beliefs completely paralleling the converse of mine.
[21:24:22] HybridGundam: [21:24:11] @Iris Heart: and yes anime can be rated objectively
[21:24:26] HybridGundam: lol do you even English
[21:24:33] HybridGundam: I JUST explain why that's impossible.
[21:24:34] @Iris Heart: lol do you even writing courses
[21:24:36] Swageyama: the only 100% objective thing in the history of, like, ever is stem
[21:24:38] HybridGundam: Do you think justice is objective?D
[21:24:42] @Iris Heart: no
[21:24:47] HybridGundam: Ugh
[21:24:47] @Iris Heart: but quality of writing is
[21:24:52] HybridGundam: no
[21:24:53] Swageyama: if there are no numbers and facts, somebody's gonna have a different opinion
[21:24:53] HybridGundam: it's not
[21:24:56] @Iris Heart: yes it is
[21:25:01] HybridGundam: how?
[21:25:10] HybridGundam: Just like no one gets to decide upon the morality of said action
[21:25:12] @Iris Heart: what do you mean how?
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[21:25:20] %Dylans101: HybridGundam: Just like no one gets to decide upon the morality of said action
[21:25:22] %Dylans101: umm yes they do
[21:25:25] %Dylans101: that's why the law exists
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[21:25:29] Swageyama: okay I don't think you really understand anime at all if you're having this discussion
[21:25:32] %Dylans101: that's why we have judges
[21:25:32] HybridGundam: no one gets to decide the goodness or poorness of a piece of artwork of said product.
[21:25:39] HybridGundam: [21:25:25] %Dylans101: that's why the law exists
[21:25:40] %Dylans101: yes they do
[21:25:40] HybridGundam: True.
[21:25:42] Swageyama: because there's this one good one that explains why morality and justice is completely subjective
[21:25:45] HybridGundam: But ONLY TO AN EXTENT.
[21:25:45] %Dylans101: they're called critics
[21:25:47] @Iris Heart: art =/= anime
[21:25:52] HybridGundam: The law is just a baseline moral code
[21:25:53] @Iris Heart: artwork*
[21:25:57] HybridGundam: it's shit once matters deepen
[21:26:01] HybridGundam: not that you'd understand.
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[21:26:16] HybridGundam: It's too hard for people to understand the true meaning of justice.
[21:26:17] %Dylans101: Rape is allowed then?
[21:26:18] %Dylans101: like rape can be okay in some situations?
[21:26:20] %Dylans101: surely
[21:26:23] HybridGundam: Exactly.
[21:26:24] %Dylans101: by what your saying
[21:26:26] HybridGundam: You don't understand.
[21:26:33] HybridGundam: But is killing a crime?
[21:26:40] %Dylans101: Killing is an exception
[21:26:41] #Kostitsyn-kun: http://literary-devices.com/
[21:26:41] HybridGundam: ^
[21:26:43] #Kostitsyn-kun: :^)
[21:26:44] HybridGundam: "exception"
[21:26:44] %Dylans101: because their is a lot of exceptions
[21:26:49] %Dylans101: in murder
[21:26:54] %Dylans101: self defence
[21:26:55] @Iris Heart: thanks kos
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[21:27:01] %Dylans101: protection of innocents etc
[21:27:06] +S☆E☆G☆M☆R: so not thinking anime is completely subjective means you can kill peps by your logic
[21:27:11] HybridGundam: but how do you know if someone is truly innocent?
[21:27:14] +Ful: yup
[21:27:16] +Ful: i got trolled
[21:27:17] HybridGundam: Watch Psycho-Pass. :D
[21:27:22] @Iris Heart: no one can be 'truly' innocent
[21:27:25] HybridGundam: ^
[21:27:25] %Dylans101: I'm being baited aren't i
[21:27:28] HybridGundam: Everyone is evil to an extent
[21:27:29] @Iris Heart: but people can be innocent of a certain crime
[21:27:32] +S☆E☆G☆M☆R: ful that means you need to gut gud
[21:27:36] HybridGundam: and that degree of evilness varies.
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[21:27:58] HybridGundam: The law can't decide upon the evilness accounted for in every possible scenario.
[21:28:06] Swageyama: morality isn't just subject to innocence and guiltiness, though
[21:28:06] +Ful: it was a shiny volbeat
[21:28:10] +Ful: who's gonna give a fuck
[21:28:15] HybridGundam: [21:28:06] Swageyama: morality isn't just subject to innocence and guiltiness, though
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[21:28:34] HybridGundam: ^
[21:28:35] %Dylans101: Also hybrid, in what situation would rape have any exception
[21:28:36] %Dylans101: I cannot think of a single case.
[21:28:41] @Iris Heart: gundam you're getting away from the point
[21:28:46] HybridGundam: I know.
[21:28:49] @Iris Heart: writing can be rated objectively
[21:28:57] @Iris Heart: anime = writing
[21:29:00] @Iris Heart: yay i did it
[21:29:02] HybridGundam: In what situation is the ABC song better than Lacrimosa?
[21:29:11] @Iris Heart: educational purposes
[21:29:17] Tianism: gottem
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[21:29:29] HybridGundam: But I think Lacrimosa has a deeper meaning behind it.
[21:29:44] HybridGundam: But no the ABC song is easier to understand and thus resonates in the souls of the youth.
[21:29:50] @Iris Heart: also education
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[21:30:01] %Dylans101: Yes but lacrimosa will not teach kids how to spell
[21:30:02] %Dylans101: will it
[21:30:09] HybridGundam: But no the Lacrimosa has an intelligent arrangement of string instruments unprecedented by any other classical piece.
[21:30:13] %Dylans101: it'll teach them how to hum a nice song... I s'pose
[21:30:16] +poopyloop: ayy lmao
[21:30:17] HybridGundam: See?
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[21:30:24] HybridGundam: There's no one thing to prove which song is better.
[21:30:24] %Dylans101: But that means nothing
[21:30:26] Mashiro-chan: wtf do you mean?
[21:30:32] scriptmaster {: In other news, I finished Carnival Phantasm 5 mins ago.
[21:30:33] %Dylans101: in education purposes
[21:30:33] Swageyama: Lacrimosa is actually a really good song if you're studying chord progressions, if that helps :/
[21:30:33] Mashiro-chan: Lacrimosa taught me my multiplication tables
[21:30:37] HybridGundam: ^
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[21:30:42] HybridGundam: Lacrimosa taught me how to count
[21:30:48] HybridGundam: thanks to the time table.
[21:30:50] +poopyloop: i can prove which song is better
[21:31:03] %Dylans101: Lacrimosa taught me how to speak
[21:31:04] HybridGundam: The tempo allowed me to understand the nature of the violin.
[21:31:04] HybridGundam: That's a facade in terms of education.
[21:31:06] %Dylans101: even tho I haven't got vocal cords
[21:31:14] @Iris Heart: again you're getting away from the point
[21:31:17] %Dylans101: ^^^
[21:31:23] HybridGundam: It does have vocals? lol?
[21:31:23] @Iris Heart: you can judge writing objectively
[21:31:27] HybridGundam: No you can't.
[21:31:31] %Jlakay423: Lacrimosa helped me come to the realization pedophilia is ok
[21:31:34] @Iris Heart: yes you can
[21:31:35] Tianism: Yes you can lad
[21:31:36] %Dylans101: JL^^^
[21:31:46] Mashiro-chan: how the fuck does this have 250 million views o.o? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BELlZKpi1Zs
[21:31:47] @Iris Heart: because there are writing elements that can be done in a good or a bad fashion
[21:32:00] HybridGundam: But how good or how bad?
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[21:32:10] HybridGundam: No one has the right to judge such degree.
[21:32:11] Swageyama: let's put it this way; even if you say, "person X has better writing than person Y", somebody's gonna like one more just because they do.
[21:32:19] HybridGundam: It's like asking whether apples or oranges are good
[21:32:23] HybridGundam: it's absolutely incomparable.
[21:32:25] %Dylans101: ...
[21:32:27] Tianism: oranges are tbh
[21:32:29] HybridGundam: Which is better, then.
[21:32:33] HybridGundam: Steins;Gate or Death Note.
[21:32:37] HybridGundam: Answer this with a good reason
[21:32:39] HybridGundam: and I'll believe you.
[21:32:42] Tianism: I pick neither
[21:32:45] HybridGundam: ^
[21:32:48] HybridGundam: You can't.
[21:32:49] +S☆E☆G☆M☆R: that deppends
[21:32:51] HybridGundam: ^
[21:32:52] HybridGundam: Exactly.
[21:32:56] %Dylans101: Both have poor writing at points
[21:32:57] HybridGundam: Depends ON THE PERSON.
[21:32:59] +S☆E☆G☆M☆R: are we counting the shite part of dn?
[21:33:03] %Dylans101: ^^^
[21:33:03] %Dylans101: KEK
[21:33:04] +S☆E☆G☆M☆R: if not then dn
[21:33:18] HybridGundam: Thus bringing us back to my point that judgment of such art form is subjective.
[21:33:25] HybridGundam: [21:33:04] +S☆E☆G☆M☆R: if not then dn
[21:33:27] HybridGundam: OKAY.
[21:33:29] %Dylans101: Hybrid, your essentially saying nothing can be compared
[21:33:31] %Dylans101: ever
[21:33:31] HybridGundam: For the sake of argument
[21:33:38] HybridGundam: we don't count the "shit" part of Death Note
[21:33:43] HybridGundam: (although I didn't think it was shit)
[21:33:58] HybridGundam: then what's the reasoning behind Death Note being better than Steins;Gate?
[21:34:04] HybridGundam: [21:33:29] %Dylans101: Hybrid, your essentially saying nothing can be compared
[21:34:07] HybridGundam: OBJECTIVELY THINGS CAN.
[21:34:09] HybridGundam: Which is taller.
[21:34:18] HybridGundam: Your mom or Mount Fuji?
[21:34:21] %Dylans101: I'm going this guys retardation is giving me a headache
[21:34:22] Mashiro-chan: dat flood tho
[21:34:24] %Dylans101: Night feggets
[21:34:28] HybridGundam: Okay.
[21:34:29] Tianism: night.
[21:34:29] @Iris Heart: bye
[21:34:30] HybridGundam: Good night.