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- 14:51 Dinnerator Guys
- 14:51 *** Dinnerator is now known as Zarator
- 14:51 LadySalamence ?
- 14:51 Zarator I was wondering about a thing, lately
- 14:51 LadySalamence hmm
- 14:51 Zarator You know, all those moves with drawbacks upon use
- 14:51 Zarator like Superpower, Hyperbeam or Close Combat
- 14:51 LadySalamence ok
- 14:51 Zarator Would the penalty be applied even if the attack misses?
- 14:51 Quagsiresaway No
- 14:52 LadySalamence no
- 14:52 LadySalamence it shouldn't
- 14:52 Zarator Logic would dictate so, in-game would dictate otherwise
- 14:52 Zarator I mean
- 14:52 LadySalamence it doesn't in the in-game
- 14:52 *** Quagsiresaway is now known as Quagsires
- 14:52 Tortferngatr I always ref it as such
- 14:52 Quagsires I'm going off of in-game
- 14:52 Zarator if you exert all your effort using Hyper Beam
- 14:52 LadySalamence and i don't think it's happened in the anime
- 14:52 Zarator and you miss
- 14:52 Tortferngatr I had Hydro Cannon fail when used twice in a row, even when the first missed.
- 14:52 Zarator it's not like you expend less energy to do so
- 14:52 *** jas61292 quit (Quit: Good Night)
- 14:52 Zarator I don't care too much about the answer, but I'd like the issue to be brought up
- 14:52 LadySalamence i undertand hyper bea,
- 14:53 LadySalamence eam*
- 14:53 LadySalamence beam**
- 14:53 Zarator well LS
- 14:53 Tortferngatr TBH if I worked for Game Freak, I'd make it so that if a move misses, it gets all negatives associated with that.
- 14:53 Zarator if I dodge your Close Combat
- 14:53 LadySalamence me too
- 14:53 LadySalamence yeah?
- 14:53 Zarator chances are you lowered your guard anyway
- 14:53 LadySalamence no
- 14:53 Zarator if you use Overheat and I dodge it
- 14:53 LadySalamence that's not what i think of it
- 14:53 Zarator you will still be exhausted by it
- 14:53 Zarator same with Leaf Storm or Draco Meteor
- 14:53 LadySalamence Close Comabt's defense lowers come from BL
- 14:53 Zarator or Superpower
- 14:54 Tortferngatr ?
- 14:54 Alchemator if you were going for a flavour argument in defense (this is the only one I can think of):
- 14:54 LadySalamence BLINDLY STRIKING YOUR OPPONENT AT CLOSE RANGE
- 14:54 Alchemator energy is only exerted transferred
- 14:54 Alchemator that is, against another mon
- 14:54 LadySalamence that's what i think
- 14:54 Tortferngatr Yet that isn't always the case.
- 14:54 Alchemator *when transferred
- 14:54 Zarator That's very weak, Alch
- 14:54 Zarator and you know it
- 14:54 LadySalamence ^
- 14:54 LadySalamence but really
- 14:54 Alchemator "this is the only one I can think of"
- 14:54 Alchemator it makes sense for when it hits
- 14:54 LadySalamence think about close combat
- 14:55 Zarator well
- 14:55 Alchemator but it doesn't when you're hitting the ground or similar
- 14:55 Zarator ok
- 14:55 Tortferngatr that's the exception, not the rule
- 14:55 LadySalamence you're punching the enemy over and over
- 14:55 Zarator Close Combat is kind of acceptable but
- 14:55 LadySalamence close range
- 14:55 Zarator for all the others?
- 14:55 LadySalamence it makes it hard to see much
- 14:55 Zarator Although, Tort
- 14:55 LadySalamence a quick uppercut you would not be able to see
- 14:55 Zarator this also means that stuff like Charge Beam
- 14:55 LadySalamence and it'd send you flying
- 14:55 Tortferngatr yes
- 14:55 Tortferngatr exactly
- 14:55 Zarator should have you roll for SpA raise regardless
- 14:55 LadySalamence unless
- 14:55 Zarator same with Contrarian Leaf Storm
- 14:56 LadySalamence we say charge beam steals energy from the enemy
- 14:56 Zarator or Flame Charge
- 14:56 Alchemator how does contrarian actually work
- 14:56 Zarator LS
- 14:56 LadySalamence which isn't the case
- 14:56 Zarator that's not the way it works
- 14:56 Zarator you charge up energy and then attack
- 14:56 LadySalamence wait, what
- 14:56 LadySalamence aand you can get energy from it??
- 14:56 Zarator nope
- 14:56 Zarator you may charge so much electricity that you raise your SpA
- 14:56 LadySalamence but i understand your point
- 14:57 LadySalamence what about mimic
- 14:57 Zarator Anyway
- 14:57 Zarator regardless of the answer
- 14:57 LadySalamence ./sidetrack
- 14:57 *** Huntofthelion is now known as Hunt|AFK
- 14:57 Zarator someone must bring this up
- 14:57 LadySalamence yeah...
- 14:57 Zarator (as this stuff happens too often in raids)
- 14:57 LadySalamence bring up this log too
- 14:57 Zarator ah btw
- 14:58 Zarator before anyone gets any fancy about it
- 14:58 LadySalamence ?
- 14:58 Zarator Follow Me and Rage Powder will NOT lower incoming damage in raids
- 14:58 Zarator just fyi
- 14:59 Tortferngatr Log pasted.
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