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  2. 14:51 Dinnerator Guys
  3. 14:51 *** Dinnerator is now known as Zarator
  4. 14:51 LadySalamence ?
  5. 14:51 Zarator I was wondering about a thing, lately
  6. 14:51 LadySalamence hmm
  7. 14:51 Zarator You know, all those moves with drawbacks upon use
  8. 14:51 Zarator like Superpower, Hyperbeam or Close Combat
  9. 14:51 LadySalamence ok
  10. 14:51 Zarator Would the penalty be applied even if the attack misses?
  11. 14:51 Quagsiresaway No
  12. 14:52 LadySalamence no
  13. 14:52 LadySalamence it shouldn't
  14. 14:52 Zarator Logic would dictate so, in-game would dictate otherwise
  15. 14:52 Zarator I mean
  16. 14:52 LadySalamence it doesn't in the in-game
  17. 14:52 *** Quagsiresaway is now known as Quagsires
  18. 14:52 Tortferngatr I always ref it as such
  19. 14:52 Quagsires I'm going off of in-game
  20. 14:52 Zarator if you exert all your effort using Hyper Beam
  21. 14:52 LadySalamence and i don't think it's happened in the anime
  22. 14:52 Zarator and you miss
  23. 14:52 Tortferngatr I had Hydro Cannon fail when used twice in a row, even when the first missed.
  24. 14:52 Zarator it's not like you expend less energy to do so
  25. 14:52 *** jas61292 quit (Quit: Good Night)
  26. 14:52 Zarator I don't care too much about the answer, but I'd like the issue to be brought up
  27. 14:52 LadySalamence i undertand hyper bea,
  28. 14:53 LadySalamence eam*
  29. 14:53 LadySalamence beam**
  30. 14:53 Zarator well LS
  31. 14:53 Tortferngatr TBH if I worked for Game Freak, I'd make it so that if a move misses, it gets all negatives associated with that.
  32. 14:53 Zarator if I dodge your Close Combat
  33. 14:53 LadySalamence me too
  34. 14:53 LadySalamence yeah?
  35. 14:53 Zarator chances are you lowered your guard anyway
  36. 14:53 LadySalamence no
  37. 14:53 Zarator if you use Overheat and I dodge it
  38. 14:53 LadySalamence that's not what i think of it
  39. 14:53 Zarator you will still be exhausted by it
  40. 14:53 Zarator same with Leaf Storm or Draco Meteor
  41. 14:53 LadySalamence Close Comabt's defense lowers come from BL
  42. 14:53 Zarator or Superpower
  43. 14:54 Tortferngatr ?
  44. 14:54 Alchemator if you were going for a flavour argument in defense (this is the only one I can think of):
  45. 14:54 LadySalamence BLINDLY STRIKING YOUR OPPONENT AT CLOSE RANGE
  46. 14:54 Alchemator energy is only exerted transferred
  47. 14:54 Alchemator that is, against another mon
  48. 14:54 LadySalamence that's what i think
  49. 14:54 Tortferngatr Yet that isn't always the case.
  50. 14:54 Alchemator *when transferred
  51. 14:54 Zarator That's very weak, Alch
  52. 14:54 Zarator and you know it
  53. 14:54 LadySalamence ^
  54. 14:54 LadySalamence but really
  55. 14:54 Alchemator "this is the only one I can think of"
  56. 14:54 Alchemator it makes sense for when it hits
  57. 14:54 LadySalamence think about close combat
  58. 14:55 Zarator well
  59. 14:55 Alchemator but it doesn't when you're hitting the ground or similar
  60. 14:55 Zarator ok
  61. 14:55 Tortferngatr that's the exception, not the rule
  62. 14:55 LadySalamence you're punching the enemy over and over
  63. 14:55 Zarator Close Combat is kind of acceptable but
  64. 14:55 LadySalamence close range
  65. 14:55 Zarator for all the others?
  66. 14:55 LadySalamence it makes it hard to see much
  67. 14:55 Zarator Although, Tort
  68. 14:55 LadySalamence a quick uppercut you would not be able to see
  69. 14:55 Zarator this also means that stuff like Charge Beam
  70. 14:55 LadySalamence and it'd send you flying
  71. 14:55 Tortferngatr yes
  72. 14:55 Tortferngatr exactly
  73. 14:55 Zarator should have you roll for SpA raise regardless
  74. 14:55 LadySalamence unless
  75. 14:55 Zarator same with Contrarian Leaf Storm
  76. 14:56 LadySalamence we say charge beam steals energy from the enemy
  77. 14:56 Zarator or Flame Charge
  78. 14:56 Alchemator how does contrarian actually work
  79. 14:56 Zarator LS
  80. 14:56 LadySalamence which isn't the case
  81. 14:56 Zarator that's not the way it works
  82. 14:56 Zarator you charge up energy and then attack
  83. 14:56 LadySalamence wait, what
  84. 14:56 LadySalamence aand you can get energy from it??
  85. 14:56 Zarator nope
  86. 14:56 Zarator you may charge so much electricity that you raise your SpA
  87. 14:56 LadySalamence but i understand your point
  88. 14:57 LadySalamence what about mimic
  89. 14:57 Zarator Anyway
  90. 14:57 Zarator regardless of the answer
  91. 14:57 LadySalamence ./sidetrack
  92. 14:57 *** Huntofthelion is now known as Hunt|AFK
  93. 14:57 Zarator someone must bring this up
  94. 14:57 LadySalamence yeah...
  95. 14:57 Zarator (as this stuff happens too often in raids)
  96. 14:57 LadySalamence bring up this log too
  97. 14:57 Zarator ah btw
  98. 14:58 Zarator before anyone gets any fancy about it
  99. 14:58 LadySalamence ?
  100. 14:58 Zarator Follow Me and Rage Powder will NOT lower incoming damage in raids
  101. 14:58 Zarator just fyi
  102. 14:59 Tortferngatr Log pasted.
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