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  1. THIS POST IS LONG AS FUCK
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  4. [quote author=Veno link=topic=61339.msg1218694#msg1218694 date=1347689276]
  5. It is weird that not HTC, not GalaxsIII got a topic and convos about them.
  6. It's the same as for Justin Bieber, they got users and talkers and earn more money then You will ever have in Your entire life, and that is why You are so pissed about it, otherwise You wouldn't even bother to click and post in this topic.
  7. iPhone>all.
  8. [/quote]
  9.  
  10. So just to clarify, I am pissed because a company that was founded before I was even conceived makes more money than me?
  11.  
  12.  
  13. I do not support Apple/Jobs because;
  14.  
  15. [url=http://gawker.com/359590/woz-ok-so-jobs-stole-from-me-but-he-also-made-the-ipod]http://gawker.com/359590/woz-ok-so-jobs-stole-from-me-but-he-also-made-the-ipod[/url]
  16.  
  17. "Jobs noticed his friend Steve Wozniak—employee of Hewlett-Packard—was capable of producing designs with a small number of chips, and invited him to work on the hardware design with the prospect of splitting the $750 wage. Wozniak had no sketches and instead interpreted the game from its description. To save parts, he had “tricky little designs” difficult to understand for most engineers. Near the end of development, Wozniak considered moving the high score to the screen’s top, but Jobs claimed Bushnell wanted it at the bottom; Wozniak was unaware of any truth to his claims. The original deadline was met after Wozniak did not sleep for four days straight. In the end 50 chips were removed from Jobs’ original design. This equated to a US$5,000 bonus, which Jobs kept secret from Wozniak, instead only paying him $375."
  18.  
  19. which essentially breaks down to he fucked over Steve Wozniak so he could have more money.
  20.  
  21.  
  22. [url=http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/steve-jobs-secret-private-life/story?id=14678496#.UFRvoY1lTwE]http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/steve-jobs-secret-private-life/story?id=14678496#.UFRvoY1lTwE[/url]
  23. "Fortune magazine reported that Jobs denied paternity of Lisa for years, at one point swearing in a court document that he was infertile and could not have children. According to the report, Chris Ann Brennan collected welfare for a time to support the child, until Jobs later acknowledged Lisa as his daughter."
  24.  
  25. then he claims infertility so he doesn't have to pay child support when he was already a millionaire = more money for him.
  26.  
  27.  
  28. And then we have the whole Foxconn/Child Labour/Suicide I've already posted about.
  29.  
  30. [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8324867/Apples-child-labour-issues-worsen.html]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8324867/Apples-child-labour-issues-worsen.html[/url]
  31. [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285980/Revealed-Inside-Chinese-suicide-sweatshop-workers-toil-34-hour-shifts-make-iPod.html]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285980/Revealed-Inside-Chinese-suicide-sweatshop-workers-toil-34-hour-shifts-make-iPod.html[/url]
  32. [url=http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/02/ff_joelinchina/]http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/02/ff_joelinchina/[/url]
  33.  
  34. How Jobs treated Apple workers:
  35. [url=http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/08/25/how-apple-works-inside-the-worlds-biggest-startup/]http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/08/25/how-apple-works-inside-the-worlds-biggest-startup/[/url]
  36.  
  37. "Jobs walked in, clad in his trademark black mock turtleneck and blue jeans, clasped his hands together, and asked a simple question: "Can anyone tell me what MobileMe is supposed to do?" Having received a satisfactory answer, he continued, "So why the fuck doesn't it do that?"
  38. For the next half-hour Jobs berated the group. "You've tarnished Apple's reputation," he told them. "You should hate each other for having let each other down." "
  39.  
  40. [url=http://www.christianpost.com/news/steve-jobs-ignored-poisoned-workers-pleas-for-help-at-apple-factory-54908/]http://www.christianpost.com/news/steve-jobs-ignored-poisoned-workers-pleas-for-help-at-apple-factory-54908/[/url]
  41.  
  42. "Two years ago, workers at a factory in Suzhou, China, were poisoned when Taiwanese electronics supplier Wintek, which was working under contract with Apple to make the touchscreens, replaced alcohol with N-hexane in the manufacturing process to speed up production.
  43. Prolonged exposure to N-hexane has been known to cause damage to the central nervous system, and when workers affected by the chemical wrote to Jobs, asking him for help in medical treatment and compensation for lost wages, they allegedly never heard back from anybody at Apple, much less Jobs."
  44.  
  45. [url=http://gawker.com/5847344/what-everyone-is-too-polite-to-say-about-steve-jobs]http://gawker.com/5847344/what-everyone-is-too-polite-to-say-about-steve-jobs[/url]
  46.  
  47. "He would praise and inspire them, often in very creative ways, but he would also resort to intimidating, goading, berating, belittling, and even humiliating them... When he was Bad Steve, he didn't seem to care about the severe damage he caused to egos or emotions... suddenly and unexpectedly, he would look at something they were working on say that it "sucked," it was "shit." "
  48.  
  49. So to recap, he fucked over his best friend, his daughter, his employees, supported child labour and ignored poisoned workers...
  50.  
  51. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU#]Steve Jobs: Good artists copy great artists steal[/url]
  52.  
  53. 'We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas'
  54.  
  55. Well....
  56.  
  57. [url=http://gigaom.com/apple/steve-jobs-vowed-to-destroy-android/]http://gigaom.com/apple/steve-jobs-vowed-to-destroy-android/[/url]
  58. “I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong,” Jobs said. “I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.
  59.  
  60.  
  61. And then there's Apple itself:
  62.  
  63. [url=http://www.slashgear.com/apple-may-have-submitted-flawed-evidence-against-samsung-in-europe-15171831/]http://www.slashgear.com/apple-may-have-submitted-flawed-evidence-against-samsung-in-europe-15171831/[/url]
  64.  
  65. Not to mention how overpriced their products are, let's visit the Apple Store:
  66.  
  67. [url=http://store.apple.com/uk-business/configure/MD771B/A?]http://store.apple.com/uk-business/configure/MD771B/A?[/url]
  68.  
  69. Mac Pro: £3099 plus VAT? It better be a fucking hefty machine for that price!
  70.  
  71. Two 2.40GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon processors (12 cores)
  72. 12GB (6X2GB)
  73. 1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
  74. ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
  75. One 18x SuperDrive
  76. Magic Mouse
  77. Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (British) & User's Guide (English)
  78.  
  79. I'm starting to see a major problem here, a 5770? are you fucking kidding me apple, ATI are onto the 7XXX series and your still putting 5770's into a Mac Pro?
  80.  
  81. Let's see what we can upgrade!
  82.  
  83. Two 2.40GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon processors (12 cores)
  84. Two 2.66GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon processor (12 cores) [+ £960.00]
  85. Two 3.06GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon (12 cores) [+ £1,920.00]
  86.  
  87. This is just blatant fucking bullshit, charging  £960 for a tiny overclock, and £1920 to go from 2.40GHz to 3.06GHz, which can be done manually...
  88.  
  89. Let's have a look at memory..
  90. 12GB (6X2GB)
  91. 16GB (8x2GB) [+ £120.00]
  92. 24GB (6X4GB) [+ £360.00]
  93. 32GB (8x4GB) [+ £600.00]
  94. 48GB (6x8GB) [+ £1,080.00]
  95. 64GB (8x8GB) [+ £1,560.00]
  96.  
  97. £1560 for 64GB of RAM....erm...
  98.  
  99. [url=http://www.dabs.com/products/corsair-64gb--8-x-8gb--xms3-ddr3-1333mhz-dimm-240-pin-cl9-84L7.html?src=15]http://www.dabs.com/products/corsair-64gb--8-x-8gb--xms3-ddr3-1333mhz-dimm-240-pin-cl9-84L7.html?src=15[/url]
  100.  
  101. 64GB 8x8 DDR3...for £320. Overcharing about £1.2k
  102.  
  103. Graphics:
  104.  
  105. ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
  106. Two ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB [+ £203.00]
  107. ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB [+ £174.00]
  108.  
  109. The card's are 3 series out of date, but ohwell.
  110.  
  111. £203 for a card that is outdated, and can also be found for £130 new, and probably lower on ebay.
  112. [url=http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/27669549/ATI-Radeon-HD5770-1GB-PCI-E-Graphics-Card/Product.html?_%24ja=tsid:11518%7Ccat:27669549%7Cprd:27669549]http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/27669549/ATI-Radeon-HD5770-1GB-PCI-E-Graphics-Card/Product.html?_%24ja=tsid:11518%7Ccat:27669549%7Cprd:27669549[/url]
  113.  
  114. oh apple, you so silly. now lets break down what exactly we get for £3000
  115.  
  116. Two 2.40GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon processors (12 cores)
  117. 12GB (6X2GB)
  118. 1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
  119. ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
  120. One 18x SuperDrive
  121. Magic Mouse
  122. Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (British) & User's Guide (English)
  123.  
  124. Now lets check these components against their prices.
  125.  
  126. [url=http://www.transparent-uk.com/intel-xeon-e5645.html]http://www.transparent-uk.com/intel-xeon-e5645.html[/url]
  127. Two of these are £901 with VAT.
  128.  
  129. [url=http://www.jamdup.com/xms3-classic-12gb-1600mhz-3x240-dimm-unbuffered.html]http://www.jamdup.com/xms3-classic-12gb-1600mhz-3x240-dimm-unbuffered.html[/url]
  130. 12GB DDR3 will be £51
  131.  
  132. [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002MQC0P8/ref=asc_df_B002MQC0P89683285?smid=A17AS5ETPMZ9A1&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22218&creativeASIN=B002MQC0P8]http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002MQC0P8/ref=asc_df_B002MQC0P89683285?smid=A17AS5ETPMZ9A1&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22218&creativeASIN=B002MQC0P8[/url]
  133. 1TB Internal Drive is £62
  134.  
  135. [url=http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/27669549/ATI-Radeon-HD5770-1GB-PCI-E-Graphics-Card/Product.html?_%24ja=tsid:11518%7Ccat:27669549%7Cprd:27669549]http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/27669549/ATI-Radeon-HD5770-1GB-PCI-E-Graphics-Card/Product.html?_%24ja=tsid:11518%7Ccat:27669549%7Cprd:27669549[/url]
  136. 5770 1GB is £130
  137.  
  138. [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-MB829Z-A-Magic-Mouse/dp/B002NX0M8C/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347713558&sr=1-1]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-MB829Z-A-Magic-Mouse/dp/B002NX0M8C/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347713558&sr=1-1[/url]
  139. Magic Mouse (aka marketing buzzwords)
  140. £52
  141.  
  142. [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-MC184-B-Wireless-Keyboard/dp/B002TUSWU4/ref=pd_sim_computers_3]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-MC184-B-Wireless-Keyboard/dp/B002TUSWU4/ref=pd_sim_computers_3[/url]
  143. apple keyboard
  144. £60
  145.  
  146. [url=https://www.google.co.uk/#q=apple+superdrive&hl=en&safe=off&pwst=1&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=shop&sa=X&ei=hXpUUMCpEaOZ0QXPw4DgAw&ved=0CAsQ_AUoBQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=c3a3e0d04d93d6c5&biw=1007&bih=877]https://www.google.co.uk/#q=apple+superdrive&hl=en&safe=off&pwst=1&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=shop&sa=X&ei=hXpUUMCpEaOZ0QXPw4DgAw&ved=0CAsQ_AUoBQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=c3a3e0d04d93d6c5&biw=1007&bih=877[/url]
  147. and the average price for an internal superdrive is around the £100 margin...who the fuck pays £100 for a drive..
  148.  
  149.  
  150. so we add all of those prices together and we get...
  151.  
  152. £1386...
  153.  
  154. hang on a minute, thats lower than half of what Apple is charging? Are you seriously saying it will cost over £1500 for a Dual Socket motherboard, a power supply and a case?
  155.  
  156. Let's see what we can do with Apple's £3K budget..
  157.  
  158.  
  159. Two Xeon Six Cores
  160. [url=http://www.transparent-uk.com/intel-xeon-e5645.html]http://www.transparent-uk.com/intel-xeon-e5645.html[/url]
  161. £901
  162.  
  163. Asus Dual Socket Motherboard
  164. [url=http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/31967913/Asus-Dual-Socket-1366-Intel-5500-IOH-DDR3-S-ATA-300-ATX-MIO-Server-Board/Product.html?_%24ja=tsid:11518%7Ccat:31967913%7Cprd:31967913]http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/31967913/Asus-Dual-Socket-1366-Intel-5500-IOH-DDR3-S-ATA-300-ATX-MIO-Server-Board/Product.html?_%24ja=tsid:11518%7Ccat:31967913%7Cprd:31967913[/url]
  165. £264
  166.  
  167. 64gb of Corsair DDR3
  168. [url=http://www.dabs.com/products/corsair-64gb--8-x-8gb--xms3-ddr3-1333mhz-dimm-240-pin-cl9-84L7.html?src=15]http://www.dabs.com/products/corsair-64gb--8-x-8gb--xms3-ddr3-1333mhz-dimm-240-pin-cl9-84L7.html?src=15[/url]
  169. £320
  170.  
  171. 5770? are you kidding me. lets throw two 3GB 7950's in this
  172. [url=http://www.saverstore.com/product/20251650/7725665/Asus-ATI-Radeon-7950-HD-800Mhz-3GB-PCI-Express-30-HDMI]http://www.saverstore.com/product/20251650/7725665/Asus-ATI-Radeon-7950-HD-800Mhz-3GB-PCI-Express-30-HDMI[/url]
  173. £578
  174.  
  175. why not 8TB storage
  176. [url=http://www.dabs.com/products/western-digital-2tb-av-gp-3-5--sata-300-64mb-7BVH.html?q=2TB%203.5&src=16]http://www.dabs.com/products/western-digital-2tb-av-gp-3-5--sata-300-64mb-7BVH.html?q=2TB%203.5&src=16[/url]
  177. £360
  178.  
  179. gonna need a case for all of this. let's have a shiny one to match Apple
  180. [url=http://www.pcupgrade.co.uk/productdetails.asp?productid=4096&categoryid=79]http://www.pcupgrade.co.uk/productdetails.asp?productid=4096&categoryid=79[/url]
  181. £104
  182.  
  183. and a power supply, lets say 1000w? coolermaster 1000w fully modular psu
  184. [url=http://www.pcupgrade.co.uk/productdetails.asp?ProductID=10927&categoryid=676]http://www.pcupgrade.co.uk/productdetails.asp?ProductID=10927&categoryid=676[/url]
  185. £136
  186.  
  187. silver disc drive 24x (apples is 18 and cost up to £100)
  188. [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005CROIY0/?tag=hydra0b-21&hvadid=9557944149&ref=asc_df_B005CROIY0]http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005CROIY0/?tag=hydra0b-21&hvadid=9557944149&ref=asc_df_B005CROIY0[/url]
  189. £21
  190.  
  191. might aswell use apples keyboard/mouse
  192.  
  193. [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-MB829Z-A-Magic-Mouse/dp/B002NX0M8C/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347713558&sr=1-1]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-MB829Z-A-Magic-Mouse/dp/B002NX0M8C/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347713558&sr=1-1[/url]
  194. Magic Mouse (aka marketing buzzwords)
  195. £52
  196.  
  197. [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-MC184-B-Wireless-Keyboard/dp/B002TUSWU4/ref=pd_sim_computers_3]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-MC184-B-Wireless-Keyboard/dp/B002TUSWU4/ref=pd_sim_computers_3[/url]
  198. apple keyboard
  199. £60
  200.  
  201.  
  202. And the price of this build, which shits on the Apple build is... £2796. Still cheaper than Apple, and will outperform it.
  203.  
  204. and people say Apple were revolutionary. iirc they even overcharge on Microsoft products.
  205.  
  206.  
  207.  
  208. But I must just be angry at Apple because they make more money than me right?
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