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  1. 7:01 PM [BPT]tatsu boop people forums.faforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13359&p=137711#p137711 speed2 visionik sheeo__ Downlord
  2. 7:01 PM [BPT]tatsu and more
  3. 7:01 PM [BPT]tatsu Viking
  4. 7:01 PM [BPT]tatsu Voodoo
  5. 7:01 PM [BPT]tatsu basically everyone
  6. 7:01 PM [SFo]Voodoo so much too read
  7. 7:01 PM [BPT]tatsu :(
  8. 7:01 PM [BPT]tatsu PhilipJFry
  9. 7:02 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry sry tatsu but i do not think that such a thing would be successful
  10. 7:02 PM [BPT]tatsu Voodoo it's summed up in the title if you need a TL;DR
  11. 7:02 PM [BPT]tatsu PhilipJFry I agree that's why i'm testing the waters
  12. 7:02 PM [BPT]tatsu i'll add a strawpoll
  13. 7:02 PM Viking my head hurts just by looking at all the text
  14. 7:03 PM [JEW]Giebmasse I think efforts were already made for the source code
  15. 7:03 PM [BPT]tatsu TT_TT honestly guys it's reall short compared to some of my posts on AOTS or PA forum
  16. 7:03 PM [SFo]Voodoo you are playing PA!
  17. 7:03 PM [SFo]Voodoo omg
  18. 7:03 PM [SFo]Voodoo runs away
  19. 7:03 PM [BPT]tatsu Giebmasse what do you mean
  20. 7:03 PM [BPT]tatsu Voodoo lol XD
  21. 7:03 PM [BPT]tatsu i'm not currently no
  22. 7:04 PM [BPT]tatsu haven't played it in a year soon
  23. 7:04 PM Flashlight Tatsu, how to counter the Ravager?
  24. 7:04 PM [SFo]Voodoo AOTS = Age of Titans special?
  25. 7:04 PM Flashlight It's so strong
  26. 7:04 PM Viking looks hopeless down
  27. 7:04 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry but tatsu you can't post on the aots forum anymore anyway :>
  28. 7:04 PM [BPT]tatsu Voodoo Ashes of the singularity
  29. 7:04 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry or is it just the founder forum?
  30. 7:04 PM Viking ashesofthesingularity.com
  31. 7:04 PM [SFo]Voodoo 2 bad games
  32. 7:04 PM [SFo]Voodoo thats too much for me
  33. 7:05 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry !to setons
  34. 7:05 PM TheSetoner Across the deep blue sea, through the endless forest, down from the skyhigh mountains there comes the call: To Setons!
  35. 7:05 PM TheSetoner Hzale Gurzil Barteameus IDLE HAL9000 Mr_J Giebmasse Flashlight
  36. 7:05 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry need some more people for some civilian desertion!!!!!!!
  37. 7:05 PM BEJIUKUU_KPA6 need a guy for duel
  38. 7:05 PM BEJIUKUU_KPA6 winter duel
  39. 7:05 PM [BPT]tatsu PhilipJFry i can't post on the founders but that'w here it's all at
  40. 7:05 PM [BPT]tatsu anyways guys
  41. 7:06 PM [BPT]tatsu i'll strawpoll it
  42. 7:06 PM [SFo]Voodoo what do you think how much money you need for this project?
  43. 7:06 PM [SFo]Voodoo and how much money could bring us kickstarter?
  44. 7:06 PM [SFo]Voodoo what do you think?
  45. 7:07 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry someone should at least estimate how much we would need before we start such a thing
  46. 7:07 PM [SFo]Voodoo Galactic war was up to 3000 €
  47. 7:07 PM [SFo]Voodoo and I think we need 25x more
  48. 7:07 PM [SFo]Voodoo if this is enough
  49. 7:08 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry probably
  50. 7:08 PM [SFo]Voodoo to say it isn't possible
  51. 7:08 PM [SFo]Voodoo not the first time we are talking about it
  52. 7:08 PM [BAW]Zock this source code ideas are like some guys who have trouble fixing their lighter teaming up to buy a nuclear plant..
  53. 7:08 PM [BPT]tatsu strawpoll.me/11497064
  54. 7:08 PM [SGI]Softles Much cheaper to appoint people to useful positions
  55. 7:08 PM Viking but who would make it? are there realy ppl here that can make a new engine ?
  56. 7:08 PM [SGI]Softles Like Player Councillor
  57. 7:09 PM [GB]Orange hi for some reason my resolution settings would reset to 800x600 evcerytime i launch faf
  58. 7:09 PM [BPT]tatsu Zock the cource code is actually infinitely cheaper than the IP or publishing rights
  59. 7:10 PM Viking Orange start the game from C:\ProgramData\FAForever\bin\ForgedAlliance.exe
  60. 7:10 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry but employing devs to fix all the stuff thats wrong with it is not cheap
  61. 7:10 PM [GB]Orange thanks
  62. 7:10 PM [BPT]tatsu yes
  63. 7:10 PM [BPT]tatsu PhilipJFry that's why a kickstarter
  64. 7:10 PM [BPT]tatsu otherwise a single dude from faf could be enough to purchase the source code
  65. 7:10 PM [BPT]tatsu but if he did
  66. 7:11 PM [SFo]Voodoo tatsu I added a forum poll
  67. 7:11 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry i think you're overestimating the amount of money we could gather from the FAF community for this
  68. 7:11 PM [SFo]Voodoo but your question is too long
  69. 7:11 PM [BPT]tatsu he's be ruining himsef for life useless=ly
  70. 7:11 PM [SFo]Voodoo maybe you can edit it
  71. 7:11 PM [BPT]tatsu i can't :(
  72. 7:11 PM [BPT]tatsu PhilipJFry yes probably
  73. 7:11 PM [SFo]Voodoo so you have 100 letters
  74. 7:11 PM Flashlight Strawpon it?
  75. 7:11 PM [SFo]Voodoo just tell me :)
  76. 7:12 PM [BPT]tatsu i'm imagining a case senario where every active faf memeber would pitch in
  77. 7:12 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry so gieb would have to pay 5 times?
  78. 7:12 PM [BPT]tatsu haha
  79. 7:12 PM [BPT]tatsu xD
  80. 7:12 PM [BPT]tatsu yes
  81. 7:13 PM [GB]Orange viking i dont have such folder i got steam version of the game idk if its any different
  82. 7:13 PM [BAW]Zock tatsu it could be free, what are you going to do with it?
  83. 7:13 PM [BAW]Zock we have trouble fixing things like players showing ingame when they aren't
  84. 7:13 PM [BAW]Zock and you want to rewrite an engine from single to multicore support?
  85. 7:13 PM Bespin Master Lee has to pay 66 times
  86. 7:13 PM DonCoyote Orange ProgramData folder is hidden
  87. 7:13 PM Viking Orange programdata is a hidden folder, you need to enable view hidden folder in windows
  88. 7:13 PM DonCoyote type this
  89. 7:14 PM DonCoyote C:\ProgramData\FAForever\bin\
  90. 7:14 PM DonCoyote you should get into it
  91. 7:14 PM DonCoyote then double click ForgedAlliance.exe
  92. 7:14 PM [GB]Orange you mean bin folder is hidden?
  93. 7:14 PM [BPT]tatsu voodoo "I'd Pay a kickstarter who's aim would be purchasing supreme commander FA and supcom2's source code"
  94. 7:14 PM [BPT]tatsu that's short enough right
  95. 7:14 PM [JEW]Ban_ki_Moon I shall pass a resolution at the next General Assembly obliging all countries to fund our new engine
  96. 7:14 PM Wasteman Hey guys .. when i downlaod a replay where can i see this?
  97. 7:14 PM [GB]Orange the bin folder is the one that i cant find
  98. 7:14 PM [BPT]tatsu zock FAF and FA code are seperate
  99. 7:15 PM [BPT]tatsu and feel the issues you highlight pale in comparison
  100. 7:15 PM Viking Wasteman chek wiki.faforever.com/index.php?title=Replay_Vault_%26_Live_Games
  101. 7:15 PM [BPT]tatsu we only stopped considering pathfinding and poor performance an issue when we'd done all we could and hit a wall
  102. 7:15 PM [BPT]tatsu the wall of no source code
  103. 7:15 PM [BPT]tatsu no i say it's time we tackle that wall
  104. 7:16 PM [BPT]tatsu those ARE the biggest issues of FA
  105. 7:16 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry Hzale join stons
  106. 7:16 PM [BPT]tatsu there's no flipping it upside down or pretending it isn't there
  107. 7:16 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry Ban_ki_Moon PascalP join setons
  108. 7:17 PM Bespin Eh
  109. 7:17 PM Bespin The only pathfinding problem there is is the cliffs
  110. 7:17 PM Bespin There should be unit collision etc etc
  111. 7:21 PM Technopeon !flip
  112. 7:21 PM [BAW]turinturambar DONT SPY Tokyto_ BembsNoob
  113. 7:21 PM [e]Tokyto_ :'(
  114. 7:21 PM [e]Tokyto_ it sayd XvsX 1800+
  115. 7:21 PM [e]Tokyto_ and im uhm.... 1700
  116. 7:21 PM [e]Tokyto_ so yeah
  117. 7:21 PM KaspreeN ыфн ьу сщььфтв ащк лшсл здфук шт пфьу зды,
  118. 7:21 PM [e]Tokyto_ had to join
  119. 7:21 PM [SNF]BembsNoob and im 1500 !
  120. 7:21 PM [BAW]turinturambar forgot to change title :D
  121. 7:21 PM [SNF]ClockworkNoob yes you are BembsNoob <3
  122. 7:21 PM KaspreeN say me command for kick player in game pls?
  123. 7:22 PM Flashlight Kaspreen, we revealed you
  124. 7:22 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry KaspreeN you cannot do such a thing
  125. 7:22 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry you can ask a mod to remove someone from your game tho
  126. 7:23 PM [k09]kitty_ yey black_sun_def is fixed tnx for update XD
  127. 7:23 PM [SNF]BembsNoob ClockworkNoob Tokyto_ join?
  128. 7:23 PM [BAW]Zock tatsu you have another wall in front of your source-code wall that you need to tear down first
  129. 7:23 PM [BAW]Zock its called the wall of not enough skilled developers with sufficient time and motivation
  130. 7:23 PM [e]Tokyto_ il see on that
  131. 7:24 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry i thought the money would be used to buy time and motivation?
  132. 7:24 PM Technopeon there is a consome command to kick players in game that calls a lua function. All players have to run the command... its something like: lua ejectsesstion(playernum)
  133. 7:24 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry or are we going to use nudepics from Blackdeath for that?
  134. 7:24 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry blackheart
  135. 7:24 PM Technopeon console*
  136. 7:24 PM [BAW]Zock then it will be all but "cheap"
  137. 7:25 PM [e]Blodir yeaaah i don't get people talking about buying source code and everything
  138. 7:25 PM [e]Blodir it's not like just having the source code will do anything
  139. 7:25 PM [BPT]tatsu Zock money fixes that sort of problem
  140. 7:26 PM [e]Blodir and we can't even get the problems that faf has fixed
  141. 7:26 PM [BPT]tatsu alot of the staff that worked on TA/sup com / sup com2/ and PA are out of a job
  142. 7:26 PM [BPT]tatsu and even if you don't take the cream of the crop there's plenty of available workforc
  143. 7:28 PM [BPT]tatsu Blodir maybe i can explain myself to you
  144. 7:28 PM [BAW]Zock if you believe funding a six figure number to hire a professional dev is possible, go ahead
  145. 7:28 PM [BPT]tatsu i believe it is possible
  146. 7:28 PM [BAW]Zock though you also have to explain why the people who spend hundreds of hours into FAF currently aren't getting paid and he will
  147. 7:29 PM [e]Blodir besides, there are other problems with actually getting hold of the source code
  148. 7:29 PM [BPT]tatsu i even believe the same peope who play FAF day in day out are the people who keep pouring cash into every new RTS venture (especially when the projectiles are simulated)
  149. 7:29 PM [BPT]tatsu Boldir which probs
  150. 7:29 PM [GB]Killtacular sort the fucking game out
  151. 7:29 PM [BPT]tatsu zock idon't understand why you do this
  152. 7:29 PM [e]Blodir iirc visionik talked about this in some of the dev conferences which were streamed
  153. 7:30 PM [BPT]tatsu you're not fronting ardguments you actually believe in
  154. 7:30 PM IceDreamer Enough
  155. 7:30 PM [BPT]tatsu the thing you said does not make sense
  156. 7:30 PM IceDreamer We can't have the source code
  157. 7:30 PM [BPT]tatsu Zock why would current devs not finally get some cash
  158. 7:30 PM [BPT]tatsu makes sense to me
  159. 7:30 PM IceDreamer Even if we had the tens of thousands of USD that the engine source would cost, it legally no longer exists
  160. 7:30 PM IceDreamer The code is gone
  161. 7:30 PM [BPT]tatsu some of them are the most qualified to know what to do
  162. 7:31 PM [BPT]tatsu IceDreamer explain
  163. 7:32 PM setzer every single game is a desync now
  164. 7:32 PM IceDreamer The code was lost in the demise of GPG and THQ. Visionik has been able to find one man on the planet who apparently has the intact source code, but he obtained it in a less than kosher manner. So we can't legally have it. It doesn't legally exist at all. The guy cannot come forwards to reveal it without serious trouble.
  165. 7:32 PM setzer :(
  166. 7:32 PM setzer RIP FAF
  167. 7:33 PM [BPT]tatsu IceDreamer that's reallyt interesting info
  168. 7:33 PM IceDreamer Additionally, any progress we might be able to make costs thousands in Lawyer fees (visionik has already spent thousands tracking this down)
  169. 7:33 PM [BPT]tatsu actually we should hire a lawyer to see what the legal landscape actually is
  170. 7:33 PM [BPT]tatsu and if there is any thread at all
  171. 7:33 PM IceDreamer Not to mention that the source code for a AAA engine which has derivitives which may still be in use wiill cost at minimum 6 figures
  172. 7:33 PM IceDreamer We simply cannot afford it
  173. 7:33 PM IceDreamer Its been done!
  174. 7:33 PM [JEW]Giebmasse bam^
  175. 7:33 PM IceDreamer Can't you read? There's no way
  176. 7:34 PM [SGI]Softles No need for insults
  177. 7:34 PM [BPT]tatsu yeah lol
  178. 7:34 PM IceDreamer Then even if we can get the source, there's money to be paid to Nordic for distribution and modification rights
  179. 7:34 PM [SGI]PascalP Softles you son of your mother
  180. 7:34 PM [BPT]tatsu actually there may still be a way
  181. 7:35 PM [BPT]tatsu what the fuck is distribution rigths
  182. 7:35 PM IceDreamer Not to mention iif Square Enix decide they want to get involved. They are a bear we cannot afford to poke. They could shut us down overnight if they chose
  183. 7:35 PM [BPT]tatsu if it's not sales duplication of owned data such as purchase modified source code is peerfectly allowed
  184. 7:35 PM [BPT]tatsu well that i agree on
  185. 7:36 PM [BPT]tatsu square enix is definitely something to be afraid of
  186. 7:36 PM MrSantiaga hi
  187. 7:36 PM IceDreamer The only way forward would be to get Wargaming, Nordic, and SE in a room, negotiate with them some kind of deal where "If the source does exist, and that came to light, the person who has it wouldn't be held responsible for sourcing it". Then we'd need to negotiate with Nordic to be able to modify it and ship the modification, and SE would ban us from advertising the fact without giving them a kickback
  188. 7:36 PM [BPT]tatsu but if "peace" contratcs are signed with both (they'd probably ask for money in exchage) then there would be vidication in our acts
  189. 7:36 PM [BPT]tatsu and nothing to fear
  190. 7:36 PM UtterlyBrainDead Walking dead was on last night, time to find out if Glenn has mush for brains
  191. 7:37 PM mrsyla 1
  192. 7:37 PM IceDreamer We're in a realm here where we're playing with much, much bigger players
  193. 7:37 PM [BPT]tatsu IceDreamer yeah that's ecxactly it
  194. 7:37 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry bigger than blackheart?
  195. 7:37 PM [BPT]tatsu do the room thin!
  196. 7:37 PM IceDreamer Then there's that the MOHO engine is a $12m USD bit of code.
  197. 7:37 PM [BPT]tatsu what is moho engine doing with all this
  198. 7:37 PM IceDreamer It was state of the art, and is still one of the most detailed and powerful RTS engines ever made
  199. 7:37 PM [BPT]tatsu seeùs unrelated to me
  200. 7:37 PM IceDreamer MOHO is supcom's core
  201. 7:38 PM [BPT]tatsu hmm didn't know
  202. 7:38 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry i have an idea how we could save faf
  203. 7:38 PM IceDreamer Then you've got Wargaming. There's the possibility that CT&co are working on TA2 using a derivitive of MOHO
  204. 7:38 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry we gather lots of money through kickstarter
  205. 7:38 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry then get into a plane to vegas
  206. 7:38 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry there we will increase our money
  207. 7:38 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry and buy the code and devs
  208. 7:38 PM IceDreamer The way to save faf, as you put it, is here: patreon.com/faf
  209. 7:39 PM IceDreamer We have 15k active players
  210. 7:39 PM IceDreamer $74/month is pathetic
  211. 7:39 PM [BAW]Zock thats way more than i expected
  212. 7:39 PM CommBad whats going on with faf? games desync since last update...
  213. 7:39 PM IceDreamer Actually it's triple what it was when I last looked
  214. 7:39 PM IceDreamer So that's nice
  215. 7:40 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry pls post logs on the tech support forum CommBad
  216. 7:40 PM [BPT]tatsu well anyways the idea to negotiate an accord will all three parties sound great to me
  217. 7:40 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry so that nice people who know stuff don't have to rely on their crystall balls to iron out bugs
  218. 7:40 PM TheSetoner COMMAND your biceps to grow! You MUST grow!
  219. 7:40 PM [SGI]Softles Is FAF worth saving?
  220. 7:40 PM [BPT]tatsu if you just say to people "here's a patreon stuff may or may not minimalistically improove"
  221. 7:41 PM [BPT]tatsu ppl are like "meh"
  222. 7:41 PM Thorinix devs watta fak u doing
  223. 7:41 PM [BPT]tatsu if you say "here's a kickstarter for a solid project to revolutionize the game from the ground up"
  224. 7:41 PM [BPT]tatsu people may throw cash at you in serious ways
  225. 7:41 PM IceDreamer There are plans to introduce a bounty system,
  226. 7:42 PM IceDreamer Patreon contributors will be able to choose from a list of issues what to fix, and how much the fixer is awarded
  227. 7:42 PM IceDreamer But I need to find time to do it
  228. 7:42 PM [BPT]tatsu but IceDreamer you agree with me don't you
  229. 7:42 PM [BPT]tatsu lets go big
  230. 7:42 PM IceDreamer No, I don't
  231. 7:42 PM [BPT]tatsu let's do the room idea
  232. 7:42 PM [BPT]tatsu and then we can tap into that soucre code
  233. 7:43 PM IceDreamer FAF is barely holding together because people don't test shit, they don't get involved
  234. 7:43 PM Thorinix ^
  235. 7:43 PM IceDreamer We don't have enough devs to fix the minor server/client bugs irritating everyone
  236. 7:43 PM [BPT]tatsu yeah of course
  237. 7:43 PM IceDreamer I'm jusut barely keeping game patches going
  238. 7:43 PM [SGI]Softles I know why I think that is IceDreamer
  239. 7:43 PM IceDreamer I know you do.
  240. 7:43 PM [BPT]tatsu but you need to find ways to start the hype train back up for ppl to do that
  241. 7:43 PM IceDreamer You're wrong
  242. 7:43 PM [SGI]Softles Prove it
  243. 7:43 PM IceDreamer We've had 5 or 6 new contributors past 2 months. Trouble is, they're all game-side people
  244. 7:44 PM IceDreamer The server/client code is much tougher
  245. 7:44 PM IceDreamer And that's where help is really neededcd
  246. 7:44 PM [SGI]Softles So?
  247. 7:44 PM [BPT]tatsu is it though
  248. 7:44 PM [BPT]tatsu i have to contest that
  249. 7:44 PM [SGI]Softles I personally think client code is easier than game code
  250. 7:44 PM [SGI]Softles Though I am at risk of being called wrong again
  251. 7:44 PM [BPT]tatsu because making a nice little client is all good and jolly bu it s not what gets people comming here
  252. 7:44 PM [BAW]Zock people who complain about balance patches while they are in beta instead of after release wouldn't hurt too much either )
  253. 7:45 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry !balanceriot
  254. 7:45 PM TheSetoner starts a balance riot!
  255. 7:45 PM TheSetoner "Percies are still OP"
  256. 7:45 PM [e]Blodir tatsu if you want big money, you have to appeal to people besides faf players
  257. 7:45 PM IceDreamer Softles - Easier/harder to get involved in and set up, I meant
  258. 7:45 PM [BPT]tatsu anyways i'm not quite sure what to say
  259. 7:45 PM IceDreamer I think you'll agree with me there
  260. 7:45 PM [BPT]tatsu personally i test the balance patches
  261. 7:45 PM [BPT]tatsu i get involved
  262. 7:45 PM [BPT]tatsu i donate
  263. 7:45 PM IceDreamer Yes
  264. 7:45 PM IceDreamer But we need more
  265. 7:45 PM [BPT]tatsu i do as much as i can
  266. 7:45 PM [SGI]Softles Getting people to play beta is easy
  267. 7:45 PM IceDreamer And this is the thing. Those with interest are... saturated
  268. 7:46 PM [BPT]tatsu but i don't believe that's all there is to it
  269. 7:46 PM [BPT]tatsu istrongly believe
  270. 7:46 PM [BPT]tatsu from what i've observed in the game industry
  271. 7:46 PM UtterlyBrainDead The Walking Dead was excellent last night, you get to find out who got their brains baseball batted in
  272. 7:46 PM [BPT]tatsu a hype train is an essential tool of a force moving forward
  273. 7:46 PM [BPT]tatsu you don't create a hype train you don't move forward
  274. 7:46 PM ParallaxCore Robinator trekki Locutus x
  275. 7:46 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry none of us has the means to get enough people involved tho
  276. 7:47 PM [BPT]tatsu we do
  277. 7:47 PM [BPT]tatsu we have to sell a real change
  278. 7:47 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry keep in mind that RTS as a genre is nothing compared to moba or shooter
  279. 7:47 PM [SGI]Softles Zock just remove normal FAF from the featured list one day a week
  280. 7:47 PM [e]Blodir i might be wrong but rts fans tend to be more passionate and have more money to spend
  281. 7:47 PM [SGI]Softles Anyone who is morally opposed to not testing can just not play Tuesdays
  282. 7:47 PM [BPT]tatsu Boldir hear hear!
  283. 7:48 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry Blodir yes but still lower in numbers
  284. 7:48 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry a lot lower
  285. 7:48 PM [e]Blodir PA was funded so there's that
  286. 7:48 PM [BPT]tatsu PhilipJFry don't forget RTS had a golden age
  287. 7:48 PM [e]Blodir might be harder to do that again though considering what a fail it was
  288. 7:48 PM [BPT]tatsu were it was biggest seller out of all the genres
  289. 7:48 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry PA might actually hinder us in this kind of endeveaur
  290. 7:48 PM [JEW]PhilipJFry due to it being such a failure
  291. 7:49 PM [BPT]tatsu it's not improbable a switch back into a majoritarily RTS scene could come to pass
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