chit chat

*tsreknor* hello Niki
->tsreknor: hello
*tsreknor* we would like to group with you
->tsreknor: are you wearing your nice dress?
*tsreknor* amy color dress you like, invite is out
->tsreknor: hang on
*** You are now a member of the group.
(group) [Ukari L-2] <tsreknor> hello Niki
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  hello niki
*** Current group members:
tsreknor
Electricity
Ecka Estenk
kbireta
Niki
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> hi.
(group) [Latos O-12] <kbireta> hi
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> sup traders
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> and hi electrobaby
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> i see you love me dearly. thats good
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  thanks for joining us niki
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> get shark in here
(group) [Ukari A-10] <tsreknor> rgr
(group) [Ukari A-10] <tsreknor> invited
*** Shark is now a member of the group.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> and sideburns if you please
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> lo
(group) [Ukari A-10] <tsreknor> ehllo Shark
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  hello shark
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> hey
(group) [Ukari A-10] <tsreknor> invited
*** Sideburns is now a member of the group.
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> hello Shark and Sideburns.
(group) [Ukari A-10] <tsreknor> hello Sideburns
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Sideburns> 0/
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Sideburns> goobevening all
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> so what's this about?
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  ok, reason  for this group, we are concerned that a personal pvp issue does not escalate to open hostility between TGFT and SKV
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> ah Niki & Electricity thingie
(group) [Initros O-12] <tsreknor> exactly
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> who would have guessed
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> I told Elec to duke it out with Niki
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  both guilds have been generally friendly over the years, and we are via relatives both interested in having conq station access.
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> I have offered peace to Niki on a rp-free basis before. It was denied.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> i never tried to turn it into a guild thing
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> can we agree you at least hail each other before sneaking up?
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  well, quite simply, if its in b8 and folk want a fight , fine.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> then it would not be sneaking up :P
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  or anywhere else by arrangement.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> the point is to avoid arrangements like that
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> I bear SKV no ill will and am willing to go to peace whenever it is wanted.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> well, the thing is that SKV stands by their own, if Niki calls us to help, we help
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> so do we, that is why we're trying to have a friendly talk before we get to that
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> you 2 need to find the middle ground
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk> sure niki and shark, but if folk want to gank or furball then can we try to keep it limited to those that really want to be involved in pvp
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> b8 is b8 and there anything goes but we never attacked any TGFT who was not asking for a fight
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> those not willing to be involved with pvp should fly somewhere else, that's not my problem
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> Niki's feud with Electricity is another thing
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> and i'm not talking about b8
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk> well, I understand Electricity s dent was cornered and attacke in sed.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> lol that silly
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> that was quite a few weeks ago
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> multiple times. I had to kill 4 SKV with TU mines in only the past 3 dents.
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> you missed a bit, Niki.
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> *days. not dents. days.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> and multiple so called pirates shot at it too
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> days? nope
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> last time i played was last sunday when i took part in the nation war
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> yes. you were not part of the attack
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> yeaterday mistena and I were just fooling around your dent, we did not even deshield it
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> last time i shot at your dent was in b8 when you brought it there weeks ago after we attacked you a couple times in b8 and d14
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> well. it was tried. just you were not very successful at timing it.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> and back then i never dropped the shields
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> Niki, it really is not mattering when what happened. I just documented attacks on TGFT tridents.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> well don't accuse me of things i never did
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> I don't really know what kinda issue you have with me. It's odd though that you do not want to get over it.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> and stop giving me more reasons to attack you again, while we're at it ;)
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> so is SKV saying you do not intend to deshield a TGFT dent? we can overlook "friendly" potshots
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  ok, what is the root cause of this animosity, and how do we calm tempers down a bit ?
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> Niki?
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> i like shooting at people. seriously?
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk> heh, ok , so as usual in vo thengs flare up for no solid reason , everyone calls in their guildies , we end up with a war
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  most of us are vets , we have all seen it happen
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> it's a fighting game, it's supposed to happen
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  yes niki , but it is more than than now
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  it has developed tactical and strategic aspects, and that is an important part of the RP side of the game for many players
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> what we're trying to avert here is a full scale war between SKV and TGFT
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  indeed
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> look guys, if you want to back up Electricity and go to war, so be it
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  most of SKV are keen on combat , many in TGFT are not
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  shark, that is what we are trying very hard not to do
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> I still think NIki & Electricity should come to some reasonable agreement about this feud
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> we actually don't want that and are looking for a way to avoid it
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> i've been at war with you before, i don't really care. but you were "okay" with personal vendettas recently, ecka. what changed your position?
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> how about this for a reasonable agreement? consensual shooting only
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  so long as it stays personal , fine. So long as it doesn't escalate into SKV chasing down our transports all over space.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> if Niki can agree, SKV as a guild can stay away from this
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> It is alright. Niki is not interested and why would he? He plays this game for the coimbat aspect. I understand that. I am an allrounder. It clashes.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> i am not into consentual shooting, i like guerilla tactics
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> I don't mind being attacked by Niki on his own. I dislike ganking
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> can SKV agree not to gank if we agree the same?
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> only situations we ever shot TGFT trader was if he was doinf CTC for serco side.
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> our guild rules prohibit that
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> it's Nki's call
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  that was fair shark, and we explained it all to him .
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> no TGFT was ever shot at during this feud with Electricity so I don't see this as a big problem
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> exactly
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> we work together in all other aspects with this one exception
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> cmon you 2, make some reasonable deal and let's get back to playing the game
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  well, can we say that SKV is not going to attack TGFT in general, and that if someone assists Electricity in b8 it won't upset SKV ?
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> ok i propose a gentleman's agreement not to deshield dents and not to gank
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> I think we can agree on that
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> i don't want any deals
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> yeah ecka
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> just don't be upset if i bring more friends for that fight
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> if b8 fights turn into a furball it's always fine. I don't see any reason for war declarations about that
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> we don't have many combat members, so "bringing friends" automatically means ganking
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  oh , so long as is combat ships in a furball, fine
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> can SKV agree to limit ganking TGFT to b8 only?
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> we are not ganking TGFT do not generalise
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> only one on our list is Elec
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> Electricity is TGFT
(group) [Sedina D-14] <kbireta> dinner time here, bbl
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> ok... Niki is SKV, if you set things like that, we might as well go to war
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> we have to set things like that, we are a guild
(group) [Sedina D-14] <kbireta> yes, shark, that's what I'm hearing too
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> ok then we have nothing more to discuss, declare war on SKV and lets play
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> our charter enjoins mutual defense
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  hold on
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> a war is entirely different from the occasional furball ecka and me were just talking about
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(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  this is what we are trying to prevent, since TGFT has many non pvp nmembers
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> well tsreknor apparently can't see the difference
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> well kbireta said Elec is TGFT, they are all TGFT so if we shoot Elec, we shoot TGFT. Or did I hear something wrong?
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> sorry, tsreknor , not bireta
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  look , Electricity and I can fight if we have to, but I'm trying to avoid this spreading into other areas of vo and other guilds.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> I understand that but tsreknor is advocating something completely different
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> Let me quickly summarize this. SKV's point is that they will shoot and gank me whenever they can and leave all other TGFT alone.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> that is how it is now
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> I don't get what exactly I did to SKV. But I supposed I somehow peed in Niki's cornflakes so he hates my guts
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> So I can live with it now. Ever since SKV declared war on me, not a lot happened. I died maybe 4 or 5 times to ganks but killed a similar number SKV.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> ok
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> most when they got too over-confident and went for my trident. i freely admit i stand no chance against 2 or 3 of you. who would.
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> so. the problem now is. I would agree to go to peace with all other SKV but Niki
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> yeah as you may have noticed, i don't play often so not much actually happens
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> Niki and I quietly ram knives in our backs
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> And all others stay out.
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> Aight?
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> we can live with that if Niki agrees this stays between you 2
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> Niki. Your guild wants it, mine wants it. Shall we?
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> i don't care, i said that
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  I would leave niki and Electricity alone if I saw them fighting.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> i'll be away for a month from mid april so you might as well do what ever you want since i won't be there anyway
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> The problem is Niki can't turn his "egoistic man that drives 200km/h on the left side of the highway"-rp off
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> this is not helping Elec
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> that sounds like antiboys rp
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> yeah but you'll eventually come back. i don't mind being at war with you Niki. I liked you actually before you insulted me personally and shot me for no reason
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> haha i insulted you?
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> yeah i reckon some your Mom jokes and elementary school-stuff like that
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  well, niki and I go back a long way, so I know he just plays to pvp. Many other enjoy ctc , trade etc, and I'm trying to keep them out of a guild war.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> oh yeah you don't have any sort of sense for humour, i forgot
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> your mom jokes are fine humor? my goodness.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> ok let's stop before this escalates
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> well. i speak on behalf of my guild. are we having peace now?
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk> ok, lets leave that out of it.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> lmao "fine humor"
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk> hmm
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> so are we making any progress?
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> glad it adds to your amusement. so what about the actual topic?
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> can we agree niki and i kill each other and our guilds stay away?
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  that would suit me fine
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> likewise
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> why limit it to 1v1?
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> cause otherwise TGFT and SKV would go at war and my guildmates don't want it. thats why i am even talking to you.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> ecka was fine with furballs, so can't you agree to localized furballs with all the other space being free for your trade or whatever
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  that would be fine too
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> no you also do not understand the difference between group fights and war
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> I agree
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> seems to me we could accept furballs, although Electricity might be on his own some of the time
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> i thought that was what you suggested ecka
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> just do not limit it to b8 since i won't
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  it was , local furballs are fun.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> but it'll still be local furballs, no universe wide warfare
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> what is local to you
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  well, so long as our non combat members are not randomly attacked.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> tsreknor: sure and i or any other skv might also be on their own from time to time
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> local as in we fight in d14 and stay in that area
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> and not kill some trader joe in dau
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  fine , I''ll bringf avs
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> pretty simpel really
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> simple*
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  ok, so I think that is a consensus
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> I agree
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> alright. you folks gank me around Sedina area. though i want my XCs in pel left alone
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> can we agree there?
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> it'll essentially be the same as it was except you can now join in when ever you want ecka
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  heh , thanks ...
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> Electricity: no, not just sedina
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> can i join in??
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> ez target ...
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> sure, the more the merrier
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> tsreknor: only if you keep wearing the dress
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> it doesn't help any if you shoot my trade ships that are clearly not out for combat though.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> then get an escort
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> ahh who cares. i'm done with this dicussion. the xcs i fly are in my trident anyway
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> good we could come to an... agreement haha
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  well, i think it was useful, cleared the air a bit.
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk> shall we agree to the idea of not escalating it all, and keeping it to fun pvp stuff ?
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> i think we can
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> that's your part, as it was never my idea to escalate it
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> we did not escalate this so far and all other TGFT were left out of this
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  ok, so in effect we are in agreement on that
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> we are
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk> Ok, I think it might be time to draw this meeting to a close; I thank all who attended, we can keep TGFT/SKV relations as friendly as possible
(group) [Initros P-10] <tsreknor> thx for talking SKV
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> see ya
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> yw
(group) [Verasi O-7] <Ecka Estenk>  indeed
(group) [Sedina D-14] <Electricity> yes. awesome. i like it.
(group) [Sedina L-2] <Sideburns> 0/
*** Ecka Estenk has left the group.
*** Electricity has left the group.
*** tsreknor has left the group.
*** tsreknor's group is now Niki's group.
*** Current group members:
Niki
Shark
Sideburns
(guild) [Sedina L-2] <Sideburns> humm, so kbireta wasn't about to ask you to go out for a drink....   :)
(guild) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> lol
(guild) [Sedina L-2] <Shark> kenny has hots for you Niki
(guild) [Sedina L-2] <Sideburns> yesterday he asked about him about 10 times...    :)
(guild) [Sedina L-2] <Niki> :(