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<zuljin> what you are doing is definitely a bad thing

<Janitor01> why do you think that?

<Janitor01> I told the BO i'll give it a couple of day

<Janitor01> s

<Janitor01> to cool off

<zuljin> so there's some kind of war between gghq and ggr I get this, but you have to forget about that and think about deeper principles

<Janitor01> right now, I am heated, and I don't like making emotional responses.

<zuljin> give what a couple days?

<Janitor01> a couple of days for me to chill out before making any rash decisions

<zuljin> good plan, don't do something you might regret

<zuljin> anyway listen

<Janitor01> but to me, anonymity is important

<Janitor01> a BO breaking the users' anonymity goes against what I believe in.

<zuljin> good, I believe in anonymity

<Janitor01> and threatening or even pretending to threaten to break their anonymity to report them to the FBI without any proof they did something wrong goes against everything I believe in.

<zuljin> how do you feel about the acidman doxxing?

<Janitor01> I was against it. I followed the rules and deleted all dox on my board.

<zuljin> good, so you apply principles evenly

<Janitor01> I had no control over what happened on other boards.

<zuljin> here's what I think is key thing behind this situation: 8ch is a platform that lets people create and manage their own community, like reddit, github, .. whatever - secondly, 8ch is full of people who care about freedom and free speech, people that hate the trend we keep seeing on other sites: systematic SJW gangs of people jumping into other peoples communities to get players forcibly removed, new

<zuljin> laws/codes of conduct enforced.. basically just attatching themselves to communities thaht other people have built up so they can force their agenda

<zuljin> what you are doing by trying to forcibly remove him from the board is exactly the same kind of attack - it isn't a practice that respects peoples freedom, it's about stamping out anything different. That's why what you're doing is wrong

<zuljin> If you guys manage to manipulate hotwheels into handing over somebodies community it means that there's no point in building a community on 8ch anymore: it can just be removed from you if you happen to step out of line. It's the same thing as when a huge group of twitter feminists that don't even code decend onto someone github project and demand they remove one of the developers

<Janitor01> It's cancerous hotpockets that destroyed 4chan. Yeah 4chan is a more popular site, but do you have free speech there? freedom of speech is nonexistent there.

<zuljin> exactly, 4chan is what we all left

<Janitor01> There's an admittedly cancerous hotpocket on 8chan

<zuljin> and that's why 8ch is great: it's full of people like us who really care about free speech and things

<Janitor01> allow him to stay, or allow him to continue to collect user data?

<Janitor01> intimidating his users with reporting them to the FBI if they step out of line goes beyond fucked up

<zuljin> Well there's a few points you just raised that deserve discussion. One thing I want to say first off is that people on 8ch have the choice to not use his board - just like these twitter feminists have the choice not to use the opal ruby->js transpiler

<zuljin> but they DON'T, they don't give a fuck about 'opal' - they just want to make someone suffer

<Janitor01> People will gravitate towards the larger forum

<zuljin> it seems exactly analogous to this situation now: You could all just stop using his board - but not enough people are leaving so you want to forcibly remove it from him

<Janitor01> and when the larger forum shits upon the smaller one, the smaller one will never have a chance to shine

<zuljin> that sets a bad precident of authoritarianism instead of democracy

<Janitor01> the incumbent usually always wins

<zuljin> it would be a lot smarter to have exploited this event the opposite way: Tell people they have the choice to pick a board with more reasonable moderators that don't collect info on its users

<Janitor01> that's why change is so hard in a democracy.

<zuljin> but this is actual democracy, people just type in the board name they want to go to - it's not a sham like voting

<Janitor01> but when you go to 8ch.net, gamergatehq is above ggrevolt

<Janitor01> they go to the board with more supposed activity

<zuljin> I understand your frustration, it's the same with reddit: everyone goes to thaht terrible terrible site which is full of disgusting censorship beacuse it's the popular active one. Very few people bother with alts like voat or 8ch

<zuljin> similar with github that literally has anti-white racism coded into it's recommended code of conduct

<Janitor01> brb

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<Janitor01> so, at least voat admin takes action when there's cancerous owners of their subverses

<zuljin> wb

<zuljin> yeah that's an interesting point actually

<Janitor01> if you are on voat, do you remember @she??

<zuljin> I haven't been following voat much recently (should have been..) but wasn't there a similar situation with v/askvoat like you and gghq are having now?

<Janitor01> yes

<zuljin> that whole thing was pretty creepy

<Janitor01> @she was a cancerous head mod of a popular subverse

<Janitor01> the admin reached out to the community and asked, what is the right course of action

<zuljin> but it's trying to force the decision on other people, instead of letting them choose

<zuljin> this is the fundamental problem here - you're trying to take the decision out of regular peoples hands and put everything on some authority figure

<zuljin> also I take back calling you scumbag, you clearly actually thought about this and have principles - I thought you were just a group of SJW IRC trolls working some vendetta out

<Janitor01> I'm not even on IRC

<Janitor01> I registered this nick today

<Janitor01> I think the decision lies on all of 8chan.

<Janitor01> Hotwheels should be more involved as an admin. He should speak to the people who use his site, and ask what is the right answer.

<zuljin> sadly those days are past, the site is Jims now and hotwheels isn't active at all - they've left 8ch to die because of this "infinity-next" joke site

<zuljin> ill post this log publically, okay with you?

<Janitor01> perfectly fine