[00:52:24] Epicurus Hog: light's better world would collapse eventually
[00:52:31] Epicurus Hog: its not sustainable
[00:52:56] Epicurus Hog: he basically put himself in the place of both jury and executioner
[00:53:33] Epicurus Hog: it's more or less vigilante justice and a recipe for disaster really
[00:53:54] kingihermit: that's not explaining why its not sustainable though
[00:54:11] Epicurus Hog: because light has made himself the ultimate authority
[00:54:22] Epicurus Hog: when he dies, the system collapses
[00:54:27] kingihermit: if you count 25+ as canon which I don't
[00:54:33] kingihermit: then he picks "heirs"
[00:54:36] kingihermit: and other people
[00:54:40] Epicurus Hog: nope
[00:54:46] kingihermit: that will get the power and gives them the notebook
[00:54:48] Epicurus Hog: light doesn't trust other people
[00:54:55] Epicurus Hog: weve seen this repeatedly
[00:55:19] kingihermit: I think it would work entirely on fear
[00:55:23] kingihermit: crime would go to an alltime low
[00:55:25] kingihermit: until Light dies
[00:55:30] kingihermit: and then it would slowly go back to normal
[00:55:46] The Lonely Critic: Hog, you pick the next conversation
[00:55:55] Epicurus Hog: plus, he can only kill people he knows about. he can't find and correctly judge every single criminal on his own
[00:56:19] kingihermit: He could threaten all the police worldwide to give him all the data on criminals they have right away
[00:56:25] kingihermit: and they would give it to him
[00:56:37] Epicurus Hog: and look them all over himself?
[00:56:43] kingihermit: Computers are magic
[00:56:48] Epicurus Hog: there's not enough time in a lifetime
[00:56:52] kingihermit: COMPUTERS ARE MAGIC
[00:57:11] Epicurus Hog: there'd be innocents getting convicted all over the place
[00:57:23] kingihermit: yes but Light wouldn't care
[00:57:24] Epicurus Hog: and the only punishment is death
[00:57:40] Epicurus Hog: and that is why the system is shit
[00:58:15] kingihermit: there are already right now in the world innocent people dying
[00:58:21] kingihermit: and innocent people getting the death pentalty
[00:58:23] kingihermit: whats the difference
[00:59:31] Epicurus Hog: yeah, but if you're trying to use an extreme version of the justice system to terrify people into being "good" it really fucks it up if you don't make sure you're not convicting innocents
[00:59:51] Hyper Anime: hog, please mute your mic
[00:59:59] kingihermit: Nobody is going to find out they are innocent so it doesn't matter
[01:00:16] Epicurus Hog: it turns it from "follow the law" to " make damn sure you aren't caught"
[01:00:31] kingihermit: but its already that
[01:00:38] kingihermit: its just an extreme version of today
[01:00:38] Epicurus Hog: people would figure it out, that's what always happens
[01:00:48] kingihermit: its not like he would kill petty crime
[01:00:53] kingihermit: it would be theft+
[01:01:18] Epicurus Hog: yes! he said at one point he wanted to start killing lazy people in the future
[01:01:29] kingihermit: Also its already not "follow the law" its "make sure you aren't caught"
[01:01:32] kingihermit: it always has been
[01:02:02] kingihermit: he would if he could but he doesn't have a list of crimes below theft because police don't care enough to have one of their own
[01:02:09] Bradley Hodges: [00:58] תום יפה (Tim):

<<< and innocent people getting the death pentaltythat's hyperbole though. that amount is HORRENDOUSLY low. Plus certain information is not given to the public during trials by jury
[01:02:21] Epicurus Hog: that's why we're trying to make justice more efficient/accurate instead of more severe
[01:02:22] kingihermit: Are you denying it happens Bradley?
[01:02:26] kingihermit: I never stated a number
[01:02:30] Bradley Hodges: I never said that
[01:02:47] kingihermit: So your comment contributed nothing
[01:02:52] Epicurus Hog: plus going straight to capital punishment makes it impossible to fix any mistakes
[01:03:04] kingihermit: he doesn't want to fix mistakes
[01:03:10] kingihermit: Light is not god nor perfect
[01:03:28] Bradley Hodges: of fucking course it did. To get you off your high horse thinking society is so effed up that a single teenage goth god would be a better system then multiple
[01:03:54] kingihermit: Point out please where I said society is so effed up that a single teenage goth god would be a better system then multiple
[01:03:58] kingihermit: I kept your spelling mistake
[01:04:15] kingihermit: also literally one sentence above yours "Light is not god nor perfect"
[01:04:18 | Removed 01:05:06] Bradley Hodges: This message has been removed.
[01:04:25] Epicurus Hog: light is as flawed as they come
[01:04:26] kingihermit: Did I ever argue these points
[01:04:32] Bradley Hodges: [00:58] תום יפה (Tim):

<<< there are already right now in the world innocent people dying
and innocent people getting the death pentalty
whats the difference
[01:04:47] kingihermit: nice out of context quote m8
[01:05:11] Bradley Hodges: nice bullshit excuse
[01:05:17] kingihermit: that's like me talking about x-men apocalypse and then u attacking me for thinking the apocalypse is coming
[01:05:41] Epicurus Hog: you were defending light's plan.
[01:05:57] Bradley Hodges: light taking over would be incredibally different in a negative way
[01:05:58] kingihermit: I was defending the fact you said its unsustainable
[01:06:15] kingihermit: I don't agree with the plan itself because why the fuck would I
[01:06:20] kingihermit: it was never about me agreeing to it
[01:06:37] Bradley Hodges: then state you were devil advocating it
[01:06:55] Epicurus Hog: it's a Draconian system that can't possibly outlive Light himself.
[01:07:28] kingihermit: If you read the entire conversation and couldn't figure that out
[01:07:36] kingihermit: then I'm sorry