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  1. [16:00:02] OpheliaBlue gives Lucidis 5 LucidBucks
  2. [16:00:10] Chimpertainment does something involving swinging from branches
  3. [16:00:13] <%Lucidis> it was one of those random epiphany moments
  4. [16:00:14] <@Alucinor^XIII> IT
  5. [16:00:16] <@Alucinor^XIII> BEGIIIIINS
  6. [16:00:25] <@kraom> mhmm
  7. [16:01:12] <Xyvoch> I'll be here this evenning too
  8. [16:01:13] <@Alucinor^XIII> Lucidis is here on time
  9. [16:01:14] <@Alucinor^XIII> everyone do a RC
  10. [16:01:21] <%Lucidis> >.>
  11. [16:01:28] <@Alucinor^XIII> :F
  12. [16:01:28] <@Alucinor^XIII> Hai
  13. [16:01:29] <@kraom> reality checks, pff
  14. [16:01:33] kraom scoffs
  15. [16:01:33] Chimpertainment pinches nose
  16. [16:01:46] <%Lucidis> i came up with a new reality check today
  17. [16:01:50] <@Alucinor^XIII> New reality check-- try to insta-gasm
  18. [16:01:50] <@Chimpertainment> di tekk
  19. [16:01:51] <+realdealmagic> Suuuuup
  20. [16:01:51] <@Alucinor^XIII> if it works
  21. [16:01:51] <%Lucidis> though i probably won't ever use it
  22. [16:01:52] <@Chimpertainment> do tell
  23. [16:01:53] <@Alucinor^XIII> you're probably dreaming
  24. [16:01:55] <@Alucinor^XIII> or very talented
  25. [16:01:57] <@Alucinor^XIII> one of the two
  26. [16:02:06] <%Lucidis> i'm incapable of snapping my fingers in real life but i can in my dreams
  27. [16:02:11] <@Chimpertainment> nice
  28. [16:02:21] <@Alucinor^XIII> Thats pretty cool actually Lucidis
  29. [16:02:26] <@Chimpertainment> i tried freefalling in a lucid and it felt better than an orgasm
  30. [16:02:26] <@Alucinor^XIII> Would workw ith whistling too, I bet
  31. [16:02:31] <%Lucidis> i wish it was the other way around
  32. [16:02:32] <+realdealmagic> gonna go get some garlic mushrooms
  33. [16:02:34] <+realdealmagic> will be back very soon
  34. [16:02:35] <&OpheliaBlue> yay nice turn out
  35. [16:02:38] <%Lucidis> well i can kind of whistle
  36. [16:02:58] <&OpheliaBlue> I so read that as magic mushrooms
  37. [16:03:03] <@Alucinor^XIII> OpheliaBlue: could use more nubs
  38. [16:03:04] <@kraom> i did at first too.
  39. [16:03:13] <@Alucinor^XIII> where are da nubs
  40. [16:03:21] kraom is a nub
  41. [16:03:31] <&OpheliaBlue> I just don't know man
  42. [16:03:31] <%Lucidis> well it is saturday
  43. [16:03:39] <&OpheliaBlue> lost and sad somewhere
  44. [16:03:57] <@kraom> i think a lot of people now sign up for the intro class then dont stick with and leave
  45. [16:03:58] <@kraom> lol
  46. [16:04:06] <&OpheliaBlue> oh by the way, I'm off monday and wednesday next week, and I get off work at 2pm on my worek days, so any night works for me
  47. [16:04:17] <+realdealmagic> i am da nub
  48. [16:04:23] <Xyvoch> same here
  49. [16:04:24] <+realdealmagic> ALL DA NIGHTS
  50. [16:04:30] <+realdealmagic> :P
  51. [16:04:30] <TehDalek> 'tis simple, simply not sign up because you can't even keep up with normal college work
  52. [16:04:31] <TehDalek> :D
  53. [16:04:45] <&OpheliaBlue> heh
  54. [16:04:51] <&OpheliaBlue> I so don't miss homework
  55. [16:05:02] kraom crys whenever he doesnt have homework
  56. [16:05:07] <@kraom> quite a sad time
  57. [16:05:11] <@Alucinor^XIII> I have bad news by the way
  58. [16:05:24] <&OpheliaBlue> uh oh
  59. [16:05:24] <@Alucinor^XIII> I just took a job that is 72 hours a week
  60. [16:05:26] <@Alucinor^XIII> So..
  61. [16:05:29] <+realdealmagic> bloody hell
  62. [16:05:30] <@Alucinor^XIII> my time for DVA is rather limited.
  63. [16:05:31] <&OpheliaBlue> ddaaaaaayamn
  64. [16:05:37] <@Alucinor^XIII> But oh the moneys to be made
  65. [16:05:38] <+realdealmagic> What hours you working?
  66. [16:05:43] <@Alucinor^XIII> 5pm to 5am
  67. [16:05:44] <@Alucinor^XIII> lol
  68. [16:05:50] <+realdealmagic> ah
  69. [16:05:55] <&OpheliaBlue> I understand, I recently went from 30 to 40 hours, which isn't nearly the same as 72 hours, but I still feel it
  70. [16:05:59] <+realdealmagic> Aye, if I worked full time I would be working a 72 hour week
  71. [16:06:02] <+realdealmagic> never thought about that
  72. [16:06:08] <@Alucinor^XIII> OpheliaBlue: Yeah. after 40 hours a week, you just go numb
  73. [16:06:09] <@Alucinor^XIII> lol
  74. [16:06:15] <&OpheliaBlue> I believe it
  75. [16:06:21] <+realdealmagic> But I would be making £720 a week :P
  76. [16:06:29] <@Alucinor^XIII> I'm gonna boost my activity on the formu though
  77. [16:07:00] <@Alucinor^XIII> I'll only be able to show up for #DVA sessions between roughly 1pm -4pm
  78. [16:07:13] <@kraom> i just spilled water on myself.. that was so cold
  79. [16:07:29] <+realdealmagic> Well
  80. [16:07:32] <+realdealmagic> At least it wasn't boiling...
  81. [16:07:34] <+realdealmagic> #everycloud
  82. [16:07:49] <@kraom> i guess thats true
  83. [16:07:49] <+realdealmagic> So
  84. [16:07:50] <+realdealmagic> Guiz
  85. [16:07:55] <&OpheliaBlue> class time
  86. [16:08:01] <@kraom> how about dem reality checks
  87. [16:08:03] <+realdealmagic> My workbook is being updated religiously (whenever I feel the need)
  88. [16:08:06] <+realdealmagic> So yaldi for that
  89. [16:08:10] <+realdealmagic> AND my latest post relates to RCs
  90. [16:08:16] <@kraom> i update mine around once a day
  91. [16:08:21] <@kraom> maybe once every 2
  92. [16:08:22] <@Alucinor^XIII> So yeah.
  93. [16:08:32] <Xyvoch> i update mine evry 2 month
  94. [16:08:37] <Xyvoch> or 3
  95. [16:08:37] <@kraom> nice!
  96. [16:08:38] <@Alucinor^XIII> Class today is, generally, just a continuation of refreshing everyone on basics
  97. [16:08:43] Exotiraan forgot what we're supposed to be putting in those, it has been so long.
  98. [16:08:49] <TehDalek> I need to work on sticking to hukif's RC
  99. [16:08:52] <@Alucinor^XIII> so, last time was about Sleep itself and Recall
  100. [16:08:58] <@kraom> i just put whatever i feel like hehe
  101. [16:09:00] <+realdealmagic> Exotiraan: My formatting hasn't slipped yet. Still beautiful.
  102. [16:09:04] <@Alucinor^XIII> and following suit, today is on Dreamsigns, RCs, and Stabilization
  103. [16:09:04] <TehDalek> I said I'd do it, but I forgot after the first day ;_;
  104. [16:09:13] <Exotiraan> Ditto.
  105. [16:09:17] <@Alucinor^XIII> Hukifs is the gravity check right?
  106. [16:09:22] <+realdealmagic> yh
  107. [16:09:23] <TehDalek> yep
  108. [16:09:25] <&OpheliaBlue> I think so
  109. [16:09:28] <&OpheliaBlue> that's a good one
  110. [16:09:34] <+realdealmagic> tis a good one
  111. [16:09:39] <+realdealmagic> His story of how he got it is good as well
  112. [16:09:41] <&OpheliaBlue> I still look at my hands alot
  113. [16:10:05] <@kraom> more and more ive really been waking up and then just going into dreams knowing im dreaming.. pretty good stuff
  114. [16:10:12] <Exotiraan> My RC used to be the hand-check, but I've pretty much stopped it and rely on either intuition or "mental bugs."
  115. [16:10:13] <@Chimpertainment> how do people stabilize? im still trying to get a handle on that...
  116. [16:10:13] <&OpheliaBlue> ^^
  117. [16:10:20] <@kraom> i acutally did that though the other day i counted my fingers and had like 7
  118. [16:10:25] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah to kraom, after a while, it's more about the feeling.
  119. [16:10:30] <@Alucinor^XIII> Anything that involves directing the senses to the dream world, Chimpertainment
  120. [16:10:35] <+realdealmagic> That's good. I'm excited to get to that stage.
  121. [16:10:37] <TehDalek> I generally don't think about dreams falling apart and they last fine
  122. [16:10:40] <&OpheliaBlue> I still do RCs every now and then, which helps with some of those low level lucids
  123. [16:10:41] <Xyvoch> hey chimpertainement
  124. [16:10:43] <Exotiraan> Chimpertainment: Use your sen–what Alu said.
  125. [16:10:44] <@Alucinor^XIII> Focusing on details
  126. [16:10:48] <+realdealmagic> TehDalek: Tis a matter of expectation.
  127. [16:10:49] <@Alucinor^XIII> tastes
  128. [16:10:51] <@Alucinor^XIII> sights
  129. [16:10:53] <@Alucinor^XIII> feelings
  130. [16:11:01] <@Chimpertainment> mmk
  131. [16:11:01] <@kraom> although i might be getting spoiled i was bitter after having 'only' two lucids this morning
  132. [16:11:07] <TehDalek> keeping it stable is easy, remembering to turn it vivid is annoying :P
  133. [16:11:10] <+realdealmagic> kraom: Fuck you.
  134. [16:11:10] <&OpheliaBlue> you poor thang
  135. [16:11:11] <+realdealmagic> :P
  136. [16:11:14] <@Alucinor^XIII> Chanting "Om" really, really deep worked very well to me
  137. [16:11:24] <@Alucinor^XIII> Made the entire dream reverberate
  138. [16:11:28] <@Alucinor^XIII> and sharpened
  139. [16:11:34] <@kraom> i guess i was mad because i fucked up and ruined my dream
  140. [16:11:39] <Xyvoch> hey realdealmagic , how manys lds do you have?
  141. [16:11:46] <+realdealmagic> Lol
  142. [16:11:47] <+realdealmagic> still none
  143. [16:11:50] <&OpheliaBlue> interesting Alucinor^XIII
  144. [16:11:51] <Xyvoch> wow
  145. [16:12:03] <@kraom> i just need to work on more clarity in my dreams
  146. [16:12:04] <Xyvoch> haven't you been working for decades now?
  147. [16:12:05] <+realdealmagic> I took another'other'other break.
  148. [16:12:14] <+realdealmagic> What? No :L
  149. [16:12:18] <+realdealmagic> I've only been on the forum about a year
  150. [16:12:25] <+realdealmagic> And started and stopped at least 4 times or so
  151. [16:12:31] <+realdealmagic> Which, yeah, is really REALLY not good
  152. [16:12:33] <Xyvoch> same for me
  153. [16:12:39] <+realdealmagic> Darn motivation/life/inability to stick to RCs
  154. [16:12:43] <TehDalek> I've had at least 15 LDs since I started in Augist 2012
  155. [16:12:43] <+realdealmagic> http://www.dreamviews.com/intro-class/142334-realdealmagics-workbook.html#post2008189
  156. [16:12:57] <&OpheliaBlue> I like the link between reality checks and dream signs. Like, if you dream that your reflection in a mirror is messed up alot, then RC in front of a mirror in waking life.
  157. [16:13:00] <+realdealmagic> People, go check out my workbook.
  158. [16:13:11] <Exotiraan> IMO, I don't believe that dreams need to be "stabalized," at least not in the, "If you don't do $SILLY_THINGS, your dream is going to asplode!"
  159. [16:13:13] <+realdealmagic> Yeah Ophe, strengthens the connection that bit more.
  160. [16:13:17] <&OpheliaBlue> pretty basic stuff, but helpful
  161. [16:13:20] <@Chimpertainment> realdealmagic: maybe try strengthening your intention during the day? that held me back for a long while
  162. [16:13:27] <+realdealmagic> In what way?
  163. [16:13:28] <@kraom> realdealmagic: that is a gorgeous workbook
  164. [16:13:35] <+realdealmagic> Just keeping it in my head and stuff like that?
  165. [16:13:38] <+realdealmagic> kraom: Thank you :3
  166. [16:13:43] <+realdealmagic> The formatting is my pride and joy ;)
  167. [16:14:04] <TehDalek> imo DJing helps a lot...I just can't be proactive enough to keep it up. :/
  168. [16:14:14] <@Chimpertainment> Exotiraan: i need to stabilize otherwise i get distracted like a cat after a laser light...then my lds arent as good of quality as they could be
  169. [16:14:24] <@kraom> mmm yea DJing helped me a lot when i first started,,
  170. [16:14:34] <@kraom> and then i was all arrogant like what pff i dont need that
  171. [16:14:37] <@Chimpertainment> realdealmagic: like...telling yourself you are going to do something at a certain time, then making sure you do it..
  172. [16:14:49] <@Chimpertainment> excercising that memory thing in the brain
  173. [16:14:56] <+realdealmagic> Ah I see
  174. [16:15:01] <+realdealmagic> So rather than setting intentions for LDing
  175. [16:15:01] <Xyvoch> my ld is my motivation too
  176. [16:15:11] <Xyvoch> i mean dj*
  177. [16:15:15] <+realdealmagic> Set intentions full stop, and get your brain to recognise that you WILL fulfill them?
  178. [16:15:21] <@Chimpertainment> yep
  179. [16:15:29] <+realdealmagic> Good idea
  180. [16:15:35] <+realdealmagic> Although I feel like I'm pretty good at that already
  181. [16:15:35] <@Chimpertainment> willpower is useless without strong intention
  182. [16:15:38] <+realdealmagic> BUT i shall try it.
  183. [16:15:41] <@Chimpertainment> like a boat without a rudder
  184. [16:16:17] <@kraom> so good news, i remembered my goal this morning in my second lucid.. WOO
  185. [16:16:24] <TehDalek> But yeah, stabilization is pretty easy, all you need to do is not think about it. If that becomes difficult, then excercize the senses. Particularly taste and smell. Also, relaxation is very helpful
  186. [16:16:26] <@Chimpertainment> ive noticed RCs have been making my normal dreams a lot more detailed and reality-like
  187. [16:16:27] <+realdealmagic> Well done kraom
  188. [16:16:34] Lucidis gives kraom a cookie
  189. [16:16:41] <@kraom> thank you, thank you
  190. [16:16:43] <+realdealmagic> Not an oreo?
  191. [16:16:43] kraom bows
  192. [16:16:44] <+realdealmagic> Really?
  193. [16:16:49] <%Lucidis> an oreo is a cookie
  194. [16:16:52] <+realdealmagic> an oreo is a biscuit
  195. [16:16:55] <+realdealmagic> a cookie is a cookie <_<
  196. [16:17:04] <%Lucidis> it's called an oreo cookie
  197. [16:17:08] <+realdealmagic> OREO.
  198. [16:17:11] <+realdealmagic> they are biscuits.
  199. [16:17:20] <%Lucidis> in america they are cookies
  200. [16:17:21] <@Alucinor^XIII> lol
  201. [16:17:22] <+realdealmagic> http://www.health200.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/chocochipcookie.jpg
  202. [16:17:25] <+realdealmagic> This and this alone is a cookie.
  203. [16:17:28] <+realdealmagic> Or variations of this.
  204. [16:17:29] <&OpheliaBlue> oh brother
  205. [16:17:33] <@Chimpertainment> makes sense...they have two slabs of dough with frosting in between
  206. [16:17:34] <@Alucinor^XIII> Back on topic
  207. [16:17:34] <+realdealmagic> Oreos are biscuits.
  208. [16:17:39] <TehDalek> Anyway, RCs screw me up...That's why I think the gravity RC would be good since it is somewhat on a subconsious level
  209. [16:17:40] <+realdealmagic> Yeah, anyhoo :P
  210. [16:17:41] <%Lucidis> speaking of dream signs
  211. [16:17:44] <@Alucinor^XIII> Or I will call down lightning and thunder upon you
  212. [16:17:46] <@Alucinor^XIII> and your family
  213. [16:17:47] <@Alucinor^XIII> >O
  214. [16:17:48] <%Lucidis> i noticed i have developed a new dream sign
  215. [16:17:52] <&OpheliaBlue> Ok so, basic question: What is the main purpose of reality checking?
  216. [16:17:58] <%Lucidis> it now snows more often in my dreams
  217. [16:17:59] <TehDalek> To question relaity
  218. [16:18:02] <TehDalek> reality*
  219. [16:18:05] <@Alucinor^XIII> Kinda
  220. [16:18:11] <&OpheliaBlue> What is it we're trying to do with them to help with getting lucid
  221. [16:18:12] <@Chimpertainment> to ensure you are dreaming...
  222. [16:18:12] kraom doesnt use RCs, in fact whenever he does, they fail him! >:C\
  223. [16:18:16] <@Alucinor^XIII> usually the question reality part preceeds the RCs
  224. [16:18:17] <@Chimpertainment> or not
  225. [16:18:17] <+realdealmagic> TO question your surroundings, and to make you more aware of them so that your brain will initiate this behaviour in your dream, and you will become lucid.
  226. [16:18:25] <&OpheliaBlue> Reality checking increases _____ ?
  227. [16:18:28] <%Lucidis> the main purpose of reality checking is to help a person confirm if they are awake or dreaming
  228. [16:18:28] <@Chimpertainment> awareness
  229. [16:18:30] <TehDalek> Awareness
  230. [16:18:32] <+realdealmagic> I said it <_<
  231. [16:18:34] <&OpheliaBlue> realdealmagic: kinda said it
  232. [16:18:34] <+realdealmagic> :P
  233. [16:18:35] <&OpheliaBlue> yeaaaah
  234. [16:18:50] <&OpheliaBlue> awareness is HUGE in terms of attaining lucidity
  235. [16:18:52] <+realdealmagic> My knowledge fails me not, simply my experience.
  236. [16:18:58] <&OpheliaBlue> well said
  237. [16:19:05] <@Chimpertainment> how often do people actually have that FEELING of awareness when they RC?
  238. [16:19:06] <Exotiraan> Chimpertainment: I think of it like this: you don't think real life will disappear if you don't "stabalize" it and you don't think your metaverse will disappear if you don't "stabalize" when you're in a normal dream. So, why would you need to do it just because you know you're dreaming? :P
  239. [16:19:11] <Exotiraan> </late>
  240. [16:19:13] <+realdealmagic> Chimpertainment: Every time I do it.
  241. [16:19:16] <TehDalek> well...lucid means awareness doesn't it?
  242. [16:19:17] <TehDalek> heh
  243. [16:19:18] <&OpheliaBlue> So how can we get our dream signs to help us with awareness, and therefore lucidity?
  244. [16:19:24] <+realdealmagic> Every time I RC I attempt to become hyper-aware of my surroundings.
  245. [16:19:36] <+realdealmagic> OpheliaBlue: Carry out RCs when we see our dreamsigns.
  246. [16:19:44] <&OpheliaBlue> actually it means clear
  247. [16:19:55] <&OpheliaBlue> clarity
  248. [16:19:56] <@Chimpertainment> Exotiraan: its a way of slowing me down, taking stock of my surroundings, instead of going crazy and losing the quality of the dream
  249. [16:20:01] Tiernan [webchat@B19C04.AACC05.F5B38F.56144D] has joined #DVA
  250. [16:20:03] <&OpheliaBlue> good job realdealmagic haha
  251. [16:20:05] <%Lucidis> but we associate it with awareness for some reason
  252. [16:20:09] <@kraom> oh Tiernan welcome!
  253. [16:20:09] <+realdealmagic> Welcome Tiernan :)
  254. [16:20:14] <&OpheliaBlue> hey Tiernan
  255. [16:20:15] <%Lucidis> lucid = clear = clear mind?
  256. [16:20:16] <Tiernan> I'm late by 20 mins
  257. [16:20:19] <@kraom> pishaw
  258. [16:20:21] <TehDalek> My main struggle with vividness is the more vivid it gets, the harder it is for me to do things such as flying and telekinesis. So I want to have vivid dreams, but I kinda don't because it harms my control
  259. [16:20:23] <%Lucidis> silly laberge
  260. [16:20:25] <@Alucinor^XIII> Yeah. I mostly use RC's as a way to double check and make sure I am dreaming
  261. [16:20:26] <Tiernan> Got disctracted by meditation
  262. [16:20:27] <+realdealmagic> If the dream is lucid, then it is clear that it is a dream
  263. [16:20:30] <+realdealmagic> So you know it's a dream.
  264. [16:20:31] <&OpheliaBlue> a clear mind is awareness, I get ya Lucidis
  265. [16:20:33] <+realdealmagic> Because logic.
  266. [16:20:41] <@Alucinor^XIII> But the fact that a reality check prooves that you are surely dreaming
  267. [16:20:43] <@Alucinor^XIII> also increses vividness and reality
  268. [16:20:49] <@Alucinor^XIII> because it really hits you
  269. [16:20:49] <Xyvoch> Where can we read the dva chat times?
  270. [16:21:07] <+realdealmagic> http://www.dreamviews.com/intro-class/132502-dva-chat-times-logs.html
  271. [16:21:29] <&OpheliaBlue> reality checks can be used to anchor a lucid dream as well. Once you are already lucid, if you feel it slipping a bit, just start paying attention to senses like Alucinor^XIII said, and perform some RCs
  272. [16:21:39] <Tiernan> can I just ask is there a set time how long this class lasts or does it end whenver?
  273. [16:21:49] <@kraom> an hour
  274. [16:21:55] <Tiernan> thanks
  275. [16:21:57] <&OpheliaBlue> it's liquid Tiernan, but this one will probably be an hour
  276. [16:22:04] <@Alucinor^XIII> But it continues sometimes
  277. [16:22:04] <@Alucinor^XIII> :P
  278. [16:22:07] <@Chimpertainment> cuz we like to party
  279. [16:22:09] <TehDalek> And I'm recording it all >:D
  280. [16:22:09] <&OpheliaBlue> and usually a discussion after
  281. [16:22:16] <+realdealmagic> we
  282. [16:22:17] <+realdealmagic> like
  283. [16:22:18] <+realdealmagic> to
  284. [16:22:18] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah, after class party :P
  285. [16:22:19] <Exotiraan> Chimpertainment: In my opinion, I think is more of an expectations thing. People always repeat in tutorials that you have to stabalize, have to stabalize, have to stabalize. Then, when you realize you're dreaming, you think, "Oh, no, I have to stabalize," and, when you don't it breaks and when you do, it doesn't, because that's what you expect.
  286. [16:22:21] <+realdealmagic> party
  287. [16:22:21] <+realdealmagic> we like
  288. [16:22:24] <+realdealmagic> we like to party
  289. [16:22:25] <&OpheliaBlue> though we're not supposed to!
  290. [16:22:26] <@Alucinor^XIII> So, what are some of you guy's dream signs?
  291. [16:22:27] <Tiernan> ah ok :D Had a false awakening last night
  292. [16:22:29] <&OpheliaBlue> but we do anyway
  293. [16:22:37] <TehDalek> Alucinor^XIII: Strangeness
  294. [16:22:38] <+realdealmagic> Well I've noticed recently that driving is a dream sign of mine.
  295. [16:22:40] <TehDalek> Lul
  296. [16:22:48] <&OpheliaBlue> My most evil dream sign is tornados. Sometimes get lucid there, sometimes not.
  297. [16:22:54] <@kraom> Exotiraan: ive read like that exact sentence in a post by billybob
  298. [16:22:55] <%Lucidis> i have many dream signs but the most recent one i've noticed is snow
  299. [16:23:01] <TehDalek> Tornadoes caused my third lucid
  300. [16:23:02] <+realdealmagic> Whether I be in the car, or driving the car. More specifically my dad's BMW.
  301. [16:23:07] <Tiernan> mine's sex all the time.
  302. [16:23:21] <@Chimpertainment> Exotiraan: indeed..i agree with that...but my expectations are not where they should be..i dont have that natural stability yet...so i have to build it through the stabilizing techniques
  303. [16:23:24] <&OpheliaBlue> A better dream sign is fighting with my mom, since we NEVER do in real life. I get lucid alot when I'm dreaming that I'm fighting with my mom. Usually really nonsense fights.
  304. [16:23:24] <%Lucidis> all of my recurring dream characters are dream signs
  305. [16:23:24] kraom has no dream signs
  306. [16:23:36] <%Lucidis> dragons are also a dream sign
  307. [16:23:44] <@Alucinor^XIII> Yeah. I dont have any specific dreamsigns :P
  308. [16:23:52] <@Alucinor^XIII> Usually any thing related to my hometown
  309. [16:23:58] <@kraom> i mean except for the fact that nearly all my female DCs are blonde..
  310. [16:23:59] <%Lucidis> people trying to murder me is a dream sign
  311. [16:23:59] <@Alucinor^XIII> or old friends
  312. [16:24:01] <&OpheliaBlue> I admit that I become lucid from dreamsigns maybe 5% of the time.
  313. [16:24:09] <&OpheliaBlue> and those are just the DILDs
  314. [16:24:09] <TehDalek> My most common dream character is my brother ;_; I see him every day..
  315. [16:24:12] <%Lucidis> kraom: reality check when you see blond women :P
  316. [16:24:19] <@kraom> mhmm seems like it
  317. [16:24:23] <@Chimpertainment> Exotiraan: i get that i could expect everything to be stable, but thats not my problem...my problem is running around without stopping to think...and the stabilizing methods help me with that
  318. [16:24:56] <@Alucinor^XIII> Aye.
  319. [16:25:08] <@Alucinor^XIII> Presence of Mind alone really helps
  320. [16:25:19] <@Alucinor^XIII> Which is why All Day Awareness is really good
  321. [16:25:21] <Tiernan> My dream sign was literally EVERYWHERE in my dream last night but I didn't get lucid
  322. [16:25:31] <&OpheliaBlue> haha sex everywhere? :P\
  323. [16:25:36] <@Alucinor^XIII> Just like in real life, you can get carried away
  324. [16:25:39] <Tiernan> yes, I even saw a nude music video
  325. [16:25:45] <@Alucinor^XIII> and lose track of whats really going on around
  326. [16:25:54] <@Alucinor^XIII> If you make a habit of being present for waking life
  327. [16:25:59] <&OpheliaBlue> dream signs can be really misleading, especially if they're too realistic in the dream
  328. [16:25:59] <@Alucinor^XIII> it carries over to the dreamworld
  329. [16:26:08] <&OpheliaBlue> that's way you gotta get that awareness up
  330. [16:26:12] <@Chimpertainment> yeah, ive been doing hourly RCs and that has really helped as well
  331. [16:26:31] <Tiernan> I started ADA, 5 minute periods of noticing everything
  332. [16:26:32] <Exotiraan> Chimpertainment: I do believe in the "using your senses" part, but I just conflagrate that with "focus" and "awareness." If I am at the start of a dream, and it feels more like "really loud thinking," then I just pay more attention to it until it becomes a thing.
  333. [16:26:58] <@kraom> hmm i think the only really reason i have lucid dreams is because i wake up so frequently and then go back to sleep with my lucid dreaming mindset
  334. [16:27:23] <@kraom> because i uhh dont really RC or ADA or anything
  335. [16:27:23] <@kraom> hehe
  336. [16:27:36] <Tiernan> lucky kraom
  337. [16:27:36] <Exotiraan> Or I'll start pretending to interact with the environment until I'm not pretending, anymore.
  338. [16:27:55] <Xyvoch> i go sleep guys, I'll come back in a few days/weeks/month in case I have a question or ld
  339. [16:28:06] <Tiernan> bye
  340. [16:28:10] <Xyvoch> bye
  341. [16:28:15] <@kraom> ok bye Xyvoch
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  343. [16:28:50] <TehDalek> I don't remember my wakeups in teh night ;_;
  344. [16:29:01] <&OpheliaBlue> kraom: I agree. You can use that time in a WBTB to really gear up your mindfor lucidity. I think 5 minutes of awareness practice during a WBTB is as effective as practicing awareness all day long
  345. [16:29:24] Hukif [webchat@2A3532.7BC851.FD857E.390A29] has joined #DVA
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  347. [16:29:31] <TehDalek> Hai hukif
  348. [16:29:39] <@kraom> oh hi theere
  349. [16:29:46] <%Lucidis> hello Hukif
  350. [16:29:58] <Tiernan> I meditated for 10 minutes there with the mantra "I will notice waking up after each dream" and used a lucid dream binaural beat, think I'm good?
  351. [16:29:59] <@Alucinor^XIII> Heya huki
  352. [16:30:02] <Tiernan> and hey
  353. [16:30:03] <+Hukif> Hai! just to be sure... how late am I?
  354. [16:30:09] <TehDalek> 30 min
  355. [16:30:11] <&OpheliaBlue> hey Hukif !
  356. [16:30:11] <@kraom> mmm yep so now i have my multiple lucid dreams, BUT i need to work on the clarity of them
  357. [16:30:13] <@kraom> :/
  358. [16:30:15] <+Hukif> lol wonderful
  359. [16:30:15] <@Alucinor^XIII> 30 minuters and 3 days
  360. [16:30:29] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah my clarity is kinda off sometimes.. maybe try alu's OM thing :)
  361. [16:30:44] <@kraom> mmm yeah maybe
  362. [16:30:49] <+Hukif> Thats why I just stabilize using a RC.
  363. [16:30:51] <@Alucinor^XIII> I think the om thing mainly works because of how deep it was
  364. [16:30:53] <@Chimpertainment> i used singing to levitate in a lucid
  365. [16:31:01] <@kraom> i also have this problem where if i close my eyes i cant re open them
  366. [16:31:01] <@Alucinor^XIII> It was like I hit a resonate frequency
  367. [16:31:01] <&OpheliaBlue> haha really??
  368. [16:31:02] <@Chimpertainment> im gonnat try that to stabilize too
  369. [16:31:05] <&OpheliaBlue> that's awesome Chimpertainment
  370. [16:31:09] <@Alucinor^XIII> and I felt a really intense vibration through EVERYTHING
  371. [16:31:18] <&OpheliaBlue> ya'll are engaging sound and feeling in the lucid dream with your voices
  372. [16:31:19] <@Chimpertainment> yeah, as the notes got higher, i began to float, it was coo
  373. [16:31:31] <+Hukif> Oh nice.
  374. [16:31:32] <&OpheliaBlue> really cool
  375. [16:31:50] <Exotiraan> I need to keep going to bed early. The two days that I got to go to bed before zero-hour, I had awesome dream recall and control.
  376. [16:32:02] <Tiernan> thats nice
  377. [16:32:25] <Exotiraan> The last two days, I've been busy and haven't gotten sleep until 0900 the next day and forget everything.
  378. [16:32:26] <+realdealmagic> Bloody hell, half an hour already.
  379. [16:32:39] <@Alucinor^XIII> Time flies when you're havin fun
  380. [16:32:40] <@Alucinor^XIII> :F
  381. [16:32:49] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah!
  382. [16:32:58] <+realdealmagic> haha :P
  383. [16:33:05] <+Hukif> Mhm. My horrible, horrible luck <.<
  384. [16:33:26] <@Alucinor^XIII> I'm interested to see how my new job affects my dreams
  385. [16:33:27] <&OpheliaBlue> say again?
  386. [16:33:29] <Exotiraan> Then I wake up at 1700 or something and expect that I'm going to have a normal bedtime that night after work–nope!
  387. [16:33:35] <+realdealmagic> I had practically 0 recall last night because I had to be up early to go get my new dog, and didn't go to bed late because of these classes :P
  388. [16:33:37] <@Alucinor^XIII> BEing in the same place all day everyday
  389. [16:33:41] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah I was gonna say Alucinor^XIII... you'll be sleeping in the day huh
  390. [16:33:41] <@Alucinor^XIII> its sure to show up in my dreams a lot
  391. [16:33:42] <@Alucinor^XIII> a really
  392. [16:33:44] <+Hukif> Power outage, so when I came by, the class was ending lol
  393. [16:33:52] <@Alucinor^XIII> OpheliaBlue: Yeah
  394. [16:34:05] <@Alucinor^XIII> Thinking of going to sleep when I get off work at 5am for 6 hours
  395. [16:34:11] <@Alucinor^XIII> waking up and fixing food and stuff for the day
  396. [16:34:19] <@Alucinor^XIII> going back to bed for 2-3 more
  397. [16:34:31] <&OpheliaBlue> oh like a prolonged WBTB
  398. [16:34:35] <Exotiraan> Alucinor^XIII: Multiphasic sleep?
  399. [16:34:42] <@Alucinor^XIII> Pretty much biphasic
  400. [16:34:44] <@Alucinor^XIII> Yeah
  401. [16:34:50] <&OpheliaBlue> who knows, that may end up being serious fodder for lucids
  402. [16:34:56] <@Alucinor^XIII> I'm really, really gonna be motivated to LD now lol
  403. [16:35:04] <@Alucinor^XIII> I only have 3 hours free time a day
  404. [16:35:10] <@Alucinor^XIII> if I'm gonna be spending 8 hours sleeping
  405. [16:35:13] <@Alucinor^XIII> I better be conscious dammit
  406. [16:35:17] <@Alucinor^XIII> I need some recreational time
  407. [16:35:17] <+realdealmagic> Hehe :P
  408. [16:35:17] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: I had good results when that back when I was sleeping in two- and three parts.
  409. [16:35:28] <&OpheliaBlue> so you'll be working 12 hours over night, 6 days a week, one day off Alucinor^XIII?
  410. [16:35:35] <Exotiraan> Even though my sleep and wake times were all over the place.
  411. [16:35:40] <@Alucinor^XIII> OpheliaBlue: 7 days a week starting off :S
  412. [16:35:41] <+Hukif> Recreational, free and crazy time.
  413. [16:35:44] <@Alucinor^XIII> once I get "broken in"
  414. [16:35:48] <@Alucinor^XIII> I get time off here and there
  415. [16:35:55] <&OpheliaBlue> I believe it Exotiraan. When I was on vacation, I woke up alot in the hotel bed and i had lucids
  416. [16:35:57] <@Alucinor^XIII> I'm gonna be making mad money from overtime
  417. [16:36:00] <Tiernan> was that the job you talked about last night?
  418. [16:36:03] <@Alucinor^XIII> Aye.
  419. [16:36:07] <&OpheliaBlue> dang Alu
  420. [16:36:10] <@Alucinor^XIII> I'm curious what it'll do for my dreams
  421. [16:36:13] <Tiernan> damn that must suck. bluntly.
  422. [16:36:24] <@Alucinor^XIII> Its not bad actually
  423. [16:36:27] <Exotiraan> I hope it doesn't make you dream about work all the time. :<
  424. [16:36:28] <@Chimpertainment> youll probly sleep more deeply
  425. [16:36:28] <@Alucinor^XIII> I'll be there for 12 hours, yeah
  426. [16:36:32] <@Alucinor^XIII> but only working maybe 9-10
  427. [16:36:39] <@Alucinor^XIII> Lots of downtiume on a nightshift like that
  428. [16:36:39] <Demonbot> Alucinor^XIII: Enough, already.
  429. [16:36:39] <+realdealmagic> Alucinor^XIII: What's the work?
  430. [16:36:44] Alucinor^XIII kicks himself on topic
  431. [16:36:51] <+realdealmagic> Come on <_<
  432. [16:36:53] <&OpheliaBlue> oh I remember talking about this earlier.. just do this job for like 5 years, save up a ton of cash, then do something normal
  433. [16:37:00] <@Alucinor^XIII> Hell yes ophie
  434. [16:37:06] <&OpheliaBlue> oh yeah, the topics
  435. [16:37:22] <+Hukif> "instructs people to RC nao"
  436. [16:37:26] <@Alucinor^XIII> I did the math. I can easily put in 500 a month.
  437. [16:37:31] <&OpheliaBlue> So, stabilization. The eveil red-headed step child of lucidity. No offense realdealmagic
  438. [16:37:31] <@Alucinor^XIII> So....over 5 years, thats a lot of money
  439. [16:37:35] <@Alucinor^XIII> BACK TO DREAMING
  440. [16:37:44] <@Alucinor^XIII> Stablization is really cool
  441. [16:37:45] <+realdealmagic> No, no, that's fine. Just hurt my feelings, it's not like I matter.
  442. [16:37:46] <@Alucinor^XIII> Also
  443. [16:37:50] <&OpheliaBlue> :P
  444. [16:37:53] <+realdealmagic> Texan bitch. <_<
  445. [16:37:54] <+realdealmagic> <3
  446. [16:37:54] <@Alucinor^XIII> Does dream spinning really work for anyone?
  447. [16:37:54] <+realdealmagic> :P
  448. [16:37:58] <@Alucinor^XIII> it fails horribly for me 90% of the time
  449. [16:38:01] <TehDalek> hasn't worked for me
  450. [16:38:02] <TehDalek> :/
  451. [16:38:03] <&OpheliaBlue> Kilt-wearing wind bag
  452. [16:38:04] <@kraom> i tried it once alu
  453. [16:38:06] <@kraom> never again.
  454. [16:38:12] <@Alucinor^XIII> The ONE time I got it to work
  455. [16:38:15] <+realdealmagic> I have worn a kilt maybe 3 times in my life :P
  456. [16:38:18] <@Alucinor^XIII> I focused on the bridge of my nose while I spun
  457. [16:38:20] <&OpheliaBlue> spinning and I do not get along
  458. [16:38:21] <TehDalek> I once tried dream spinning to teleport, failed. Then the fall back, failed
  459. [16:38:21] <@Alucinor^XIII> so there was a steady image
  460. [16:38:25] <TehDalek> I hurt my head -_-
  461. [16:38:27] <Exotiraan> Nope. In my beginning days, when I still belived in the stabalization-stuff, I tried that.
  462. [16:38:27] <@Alucinor^XIII> I think that may be the trick
  463. [16:38:31] <@Chimpertainment> i used to use spinning when i was a kid to change scenes
  464. [16:38:33] <&OpheliaBlue> I need my sight in LDs to be as constant as possible sadly
  465. [16:38:36] <@Chimpertainment> spinnnnnnnnnn
  466. [16:38:44] <+Hukif> Spin worked for making me dream-dizzy?
  467. [16:38:45] <@Chimpertainment> whirling dervish
  468. [16:38:48] <+realdealmagic> Stabilization is a scam created by people who wanted to make LD seem even harder than it is.
  469. [16:38:50] <@kraom> me too ophelia
  470. [16:38:53] <@kraom> if i close my eyes
  471. [16:39:00] <&OpheliaBlue> I tend to agree with realdealmagic
  472. [16:39:00] <+realdealmagic> *conspiracy*
  473. [16:39:00] <@kraom> when i open them i go into a FA
  474. [16:39:03] <@Alucinor^XIII> Lol
  475. [16:39:05] <TehDalek> roflm I agree realdealmagic
  476. [16:39:05] <Exotiraan> All it did was kill my dream and make me wake up, at worst, or change dreams, at best.
  477. [16:39:08] <@Alucinor^XIII> Stabilization is neccesary
  478. [16:39:11] <@Alucinor^XIII> isn't*
  479. [16:39:11] <@Chimpertainment> or some people just do it naturally :P
  480. [16:39:11] <&OpheliaBlue> at least, we create to much of a NEED to stabilize
  481. [16:39:12] <@Alucinor^XIII> sorry
  482. [16:39:19] <@Alucinor^XIII> The only time you really NEED tos tabalize
  483. [16:39:19] <+realdealmagic> Yeah
  484. [16:39:22] <+realdealmagic> All we have to be
  485. [16:39:24] <@Alucinor^XIII> is if its already hazy
  486. [16:39:25] <+realdealmagic> Is be aware that we're aware
  487. [16:39:26] <@Alucinor^XIII> or broken up
  488. [16:39:31] <+realdealmagic> And be aware of the things we're meant to be aware of
  489. [16:39:36] <+realdealmagic> And done, no stabilization needed
  490. [16:39:36] <@Alucinor^XIII> If the dream is already good, then just maintain awareness and carry on
  491. [16:39:40] <Tiernan> oh I'm learning :D
  492. [16:39:41] <+realdealmagic> Vivid dreams all round :)
  493. [16:39:46] <&OpheliaBlue> agreed.. I find even just focusign on goals, and not focusing on the broken things in the lucid, makes it all better
  494. [16:39:54] <TehDalek> My dreams sometimes break up or get hazy after 20-30 minutes, but that's just the dream running it's course
  495. [16:39:54] <+realdealmagic> Tiernan: People tend to do that in my presence ;) :P
  496. [16:39:56] <@kraom> i once thought to myself in a dream, why stabilize this dream shouldnt just end, then it proceed to fade away.
  497. [16:39:57] <@Chimpertainment> stabilizing is like mindfulness...anchoring yourself to the dream provides a much higher quality experience
  498. [16:40:07] <Exotiraan> The only "stabaliation" you need is to interact with stuff. That will make a not-so-vivid dream pop out in no time. :P
  499. [16:40:13] <+realdealmagic> kraom: That'd be a subconscious expectation.
  500. [16:40:21] <+realdealmagic> More than likely
  501. [16:40:27] <&OpheliaBlue> engage your senses, pay attention to things in the lucid so that they exist better
  502. [16:40:38] <&OpheliaBlue> ignore the "issues"
  503. [16:40:54] <+realdealmagic> Or just do your own thing. Disjointing from the story of the dream will help you maintain lucidity anyway.
  504. [16:40:55] <&OpheliaBlue> issues in a lucid are just your subC's way of trying to mess you up and wake you up
  505. [16:41:04] <&OpheliaBlue> yes, realdealmagic
  506. [16:41:05] <@kraom> ive been gettin better though, having much longer LDs than i used to
  507. [16:41:11] <@kraom> and i dont really stabilize per say
  508. [16:41:14] <&OpheliaBlue> DCs and dream stories can suck you in
  509. [16:41:16] <&OpheliaBlue> not i na good way
  510. [16:41:20] <+realdealmagic> Ha.
  511. [16:41:21] <+realdealmagic> Hahaha.
  512. [16:41:22] <+realdealmagic> Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
  513. [16:41:28] <&OpheliaBlue> easy Scotty
  514. [16:41:39] <@Chimpertainment> yeah, if you wanna go to that next level, stabilizing helps, imo
  515. [16:41:42] <+Hukif> It is starting to sound like I am the only one who stabilizes...
  516. [16:41:58] <&OpheliaBlue> Well, I'll say that's it's a personal thing.
  517. [16:41:59] <@Chimpertainment> of course for me, i need it just to keep on track
  518. [16:42:06] <+realdealmagic> Hukif: I haven't had an LD from this point and backwards, so I can't even say.
  519. [16:42:09] <+realdealmagic> I just don't expect to need to.
  520. [16:42:13] <+realdealmagic> (which is all part of my master plan)
  521. [16:42:24] <&OpheliaBlue> It's like, alot of folks have issues right off the bat with LDing because they say "OH I forgot to stabilize" and they cock block themselves
  522. [16:42:32] <+Hukif> Hmm, planning like a true master of evil.
  523. [16:42:47] <+realdealmagic> :s/evil/lucidity
  524. [16:42:47] <Demonbot> <Hukif> Hmm, planning like a true master of lucidity.
  525. [16:43:12] <+Hukif> Isn't it the same?
  526. [16:43:13] <@Alucinor^XIII> Slightly off the designated topic, but I wanna aska nyway
  527. [16:43:14] <@Chimpertainment> thing is for me, i havent been doing any stabilizing since i began...just been thinking about it since last week...my lucids are too short and i dont stop to think about what i want to do...so my goals are passed over
  528. [16:43:19] <&OpheliaBlue> But when I tell students to focus on their goals in the lucid, and not the stabilization issues that need to be resolved before continuing, they end up automatically stabilizing.
  529. [16:43:21] <&OpheliaBlue> If that makes sense
  530. [16:43:23] <@Alucinor^XIII> what luck have any of you had with Dream Incubation?
  531. [16:43:34] <@kraom> one time alu.
  532. [16:43:35] <TehDalek> I was successful recently..in a way
  533. [16:43:42] <+realdealmagic> Alucinor^XIII: If paige were here, she would be able to help you in this.
  534. [16:43:46] <Tiernan> ah I have a friend who uses only dream incubation
  535. [16:43:52] <Tiernan> and she has lucids
  536. [16:43:53] <+Hukif> Incubation? Nevur.
  537. [16:43:54] <TehDalek> I needed to see my DGs. I became lucid and was directed to see them..They were posers
  538. [16:43:59] <+realdealmagic> http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-lucidity/134585-incubating-dream-signs.html
  539. [16:43:59] <&OpheliaBlue> Chimpertainment: do you still become lucid in nightmares? Or other ways as well?
  540. [16:44:48] <@Chimpertainment> OpheliaBlue: yeah, most of my real nightmares are in my deep sleep cycle where i usually never become lucid...my lucidity always happens now when its a non nightmare dream
  541. [16:45:18] <&OpheliaBlue> oh that's good
  542. [16:45:33] <@Chimpertainment> unless you count a nuclear bomb going off as a nightmare, it didnt feel like it tho, but it let me know i was dreaming
  543. [16:45:45] <@Alucinor^XIII> I spent 2 weeks planning out a dream world, and spending 20 minutes meditating/visualizing the world
  544. [16:45:46] <&OpheliaBlue> I have a coworker who onlybecomes lucid just to wake up from nightmares. Not a bad thing, I have just been tryign to encourage her to change the dream rather than just wake up
  545. [16:45:52] <TehDalek> I rarely have nightmares..I was in a creepy cave this morning, but I was never like deathly afraid of it or anything
  546. [16:45:53] <@Alucinor^XIII> and keeping pena nd paper and think of ideas for the dream world
  547. [16:45:59] <@Alucinor^XIII> and I STILL haven't seen a thing from it
  548. [16:46:02] <&OpheliaBlue> Nightmares can = dreamsigns by the way
  549. [16:46:05] <&OpheliaBlue> the recurring ones
  550. [16:46:16] <@kraom> maybe you should try and go there instead alu like teleport
  551. [16:46:17] <@Chimpertainment> lately ive actually been staying in my nightmares..
  552. [16:46:31] <+realdealmagic> I sometimes wish I got nightmares when I was young or now to initiate the whole "Well, better learn to get outta THAT one."
  553. [16:46:32] <@Alucinor^XIII> kraom: I've tried to find places from it
  554. [16:46:33] <@Chimpertainment> most of the time i will wake up
  555. [16:46:39] <@kraom> hmmm
  556. [16:46:42] <@Alucinor^XIII> specifically a templet hat I was gonna make my "headquarters"
  557. [16:46:43] <+realdealmagic> Mostly because I'm lazy and want to LD every night all the time with minimal effort.
  558. [16:46:44] <&OpheliaBlue> Tiernan: sorry, didn't mean to leave you out. Any questions about the topics? Or any other lucid basics?
  559. [16:46:48] <+realdealmagic> BUT the universe isn't that fun.
  560. [16:46:48] <@Alucinor^XIII> Either the teleportation fizzles
  561. [16:46:49] <@Alucinor^XIII> or
  562. [16:46:51] <@Alucinor^XIII> nothing happens
  563. [16:46:57] <@kraom> hmm
  564. [16:47:02] <@Alucinor^XIII> DCs told me they destroyed the temple
  565. [16:47:06] <@kraom> pfff
  566. [16:47:06] <@Alucinor^XIII> Its weird
  567. [16:47:08] <@Alucinor^XIII> lol
  568. [16:47:11] <@Alucinor^XIII> But yeah
  569. [16:47:15] <@kraom> i hate DCs right now
  570. [16:47:15] <+Hukif> Your temple was ugly?
  571. [16:47:16] <@Alucinor^XIII> DCs are dirty liars anyway
  572. [16:47:17] <@kraom> such distractions
  573. [16:47:22] <Exotiraan> OpheliaBlue: It's just like all the brouhaha with sleep paralysis. And all of these guides telling people to focus/wait for sleep paralysis instead of focusing on the dream. You're often dreaming way before that sets in, anyway, so people end up overshooting. :P
  574. [16:47:27] <&OpheliaBlue> haha they are dirty little shits
  575. [16:47:28] <TehDalek> I like DCs, they are hilarious :D
  576. [16:47:38] <Tiernan> OpheliaBlue: oh I was just reading a tutorial off the chat, no questions thanks. :) I'm gonna go to bed soon, but I'll stay about another 5/10 mins
  577. [16:47:53] <@kraom> mine arent, one tried to seduce me the other morning, tch
  578. [16:48:04] Lucidis [Lucidis@9FC3E4.302C78.30833C.88A320] has quit IRC: Ping timeout: 90 seconds
  579. [16:48:13] <@kraom> i was even focusing on my goals at the time too!
  580. [16:48:20] <@Chimpertainment> Exotiraan: ya know, i did that this morning
  581. [16:48:21] <&OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: agreed. There are alot of schemas that develop with lucidity, just like with real life. Hopefully we'll be dispelling them soon with some new forum reformatting that the staff and I are currently working on
  582. [16:48:22] <TehDalek> I haven't experienced SP in years..Not everyone feels it during wilds
  583. [16:48:30] <&OpheliaBlue> Tiernan: ok :)
  584. [16:48:38] <&OpheliaBlue> we're here for you, just so ya know
  585. [16:48:45] <@Chimpertainment> Exotiraan: was waiting for SP, and i was going into a dream, but snapped out because i wasnt expecting it...glad you mentioned that
  586. [16:49:06] <+realdealmagic> Guys. Give me a guaranteed plan of action for tonight when I'm heading to sleep that will get me lucid no matter what. Do it!
  587. [16:49:15] <&OpheliaBlue> pfff
  588. [16:49:15] <@Chimpertainment> slap yourself
  589. [16:49:18] <@kraom> wake up
  590. [16:49:21] <&OpheliaBlue> they don't got that drug yet realdealmagic
  591. [16:49:24] <@Chimpertainment> with the hand of lucidity
  592. [16:49:25] <+Hukif> Cut off your leg, when you can walk again its a dream.
  593. [16:49:26] <TehDalek> Okay. You will have a lucid tonight, plan on what'll happen during it
  594. [16:49:26] <@kraom> then go back to sleep thinking that youll LD
  595. [16:49:29] <&OpheliaBlue> lol chimp
  596. [16:49:30] <@kraom> FULL PROOF!
  597. [16:49:31] <TehDalek> Enjoy RDM
  598. [16:49:36] <+realdealmagic> Lucid within a dream, preferably.
  599. [16:49:38] <+realdealmagic> :P
  600. [16:49:38] <Tiernan> Was reading the dream incubation tutorial. Do you think a beginner should try this?
  601. [16:49:44] <&OpheliaBlue> yes
  602. [16:49:56] Chimpertainment declares: I DECLARE THAT I SHALL DREAM A LUCID DREAM...AMEN
  603. [16:50:04] <&OpheliaBlue> you're just setting your mind up there
  604. [16:50:18] <Tiernan> I guess. thanks OpheliaBlue :)
  605. [16:50:19] <TehDalek> It is pretty much proven if you stick to it, dream incubation will work in a few days' time :D
  606. [16:50:31] <TehDalek> Dedication and mindset are important
  607. [16:50:49] <&OpheliaBlue> yeah it can take time, but it's all about getting your mind prepared for lucidity
  608. [16:51:05] <&OpheliaBlue> keep up with dream journals too, and re-read them
  609. [16:51:32] <Tiernan> the closest I've gotten is to vibrations and ringing in my ear with WILD. but I was too excited to go to sleep
  610. [16:51:39] <&OpheliaBlue> oh bad ass!
  611. [16:51:49] <+realdealmagic> Tiernan: That's great!
  612. [16:51:52] <&OpheliaBlue> was this after waking upearly or something Tiernan?
  613. [16:51:54] <Tiernan> LMAO what?
  614. [16:52:06] <Tiernan> oh
  615. [16:52:14] <Tiernan> It was an afternoon nap
  616. [16:52:21] <+realdealmagic> No, really, that's really really good
  617. [16:52:22] <+realdealmagic> You should keep trying it at that time then!
  618. [16:52:25] <+realdealmagic> Definitely!
  619. [16:52:34] <&OpheliaBlue> next time you feel that stage, all you have to do is realx and enjoy it.. pretend it's just a brain massage :P
  620. [16:53:00] <&OpheliaBlue> try to feel and remember every step of the way, and eventually you can turn that into a lucid dream
  621. [16:53:04] <+Hukif> Like a 3d movie, right before you jump at the scene and become part of it.
  622. [16:53:17] <Tiernan> Yeah :D Let's hope next time I'll go bang into a lucid dream, even if I got like 3 seconds I'd be over the moon with myself
  623. [16:53:31] <+realdealmagic> pff
  624. [16:53:35] <+realdealmagic> you'll get longer than that
  625. [16:53:50] <&OpheliaBlue> I do the same thing, and the "movie" is just usually my bedroom, so a FA can get me sometimes, but I use the vibrations frequently to get lucid
  626. [16:53:52] <&OpheliaBlue> WILD basically
  627. [16:53:56] <+Hukif> Like 30 mins.
  628. [16:54:01] <+realdealmagic> I'mma lucid tonight, nothing to stop you from doing it in an afternoon nap
  629. [16:54:25] <&OpheliaBlue> I'm excited for you Tiernan. Just repeat the process any way you can. Remember the "recipe" :P
  630. [16:54:26] <Tiernan> Apart from when my brother is playing xbox ....
  631. [16:54:49] <Tiernan> Thanks OpheliaBlue :D
  632. [16:54:50] <+realdealmagic> ear plugs...
  633. [16:54:58] <Tiernan> i don't have ear plugs
  634. [16:55:02] <+realdealmagic> "I GOT SOUL BUT I'M NOT A SOLDIER"
  635. [16:55:10] <@kraom> i hate ear plugs
  636. [16:55:24] <+realdealmagic> me too
  637. [16:55:28] <Tiernan> i tried isochornic tones to block the sound out, didnt't really help
  638. [16:55:29] <+realdealmagic> But personal preference.
  639. [16:55:32] <&OpheliaBlue> anytime Tiernan, I look forward to your progress
  640. [16:56:07] <&OpheliaBlue> Exotiraan: you can log in 5 min
  641. [16:56:10] <+Hukif> No ear-plugs, ever tried to be aware of sounds?
  642. [16:56:24] <+Hukif> So that when there is the annoying x-box sound it makes you lucid?
  643. [16:56:33] <@kraom> i do that pretty frequently
  644. [16:56:38] <&OpheliaBlue> the white noise from my fan helps me sleep, and often becomes part of my WILD transition Hukif
  645. [16:56:50] <&OpheliaBlue> Hukif *
  646. [16:56:51] <Tiernan> Hukif: when I did this it was dead quiet and when I tried it again there was my brothers xbox noise, so I failed.
  647. [16:57:01] <&OpheliaBlue> !brb
  648. [16:57:02] OpheliaBlue [OpheliaBlue@DV-4c8e18ae.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] is now known as OpheliaBlue|BRB
  649. [16:57:05] <+Hukif> Ah I see.
  650. [16:57:33] <Tiernan> tell me more about this sound focusing thing. do you have a tutorial?
  651. [16:57:34] <+Hukif> WILD is always so different for everyone.
  652. [16:57:47] <+Hukif> Eh, I just got the idea right now <.<
  653. [16:57:59] <+realdealmagic> Basically focus on the white noise that is in the background and use it as an anchor.
  654. [16:58:04] <TehDalek> WILD is typically right into a dream for me..I think I just lose awareness for about 10-20 minutes, but I still go right into a dream pretty much
  655. [16:58:20] <Tiernan> oh right LOL I was focusing by switching to different senses, my touch, sight and the ringing in my ear
  656. [16:58:21] <TehDalek> I never really experience SP or HH
  657. [16:58:42] <@Chimpertainment> Tiernan: its like focusing on one conversation out of a bunch when standing in a crowd of people
  658. [16:58:43] <@kraom> well guys i have to go
  659. [16:58:48] <@Chimpertainment> or focusing on one instrument in a song
  660. [16:58:49] <TehDalek> bye kraom
  661. [16:58:53] <+Hukif> Cya kraom!
  662. [16:58:53] <@kraom> bye
  663. [16:58:58] <@Chimpertainment> laterz
  664. [16:58:58] kraom [webchat@DV-551944b8.sd.cox.net] has quit IRC: Quit: Page closed
  665. [16:59:21] <Tiernan> byw Kroam and I understand now Chimpertainment :) thanks :D
  666. [16:59:33] <+Hukif> Wait, no HH? But HH is awesome!
  667. [17:00:02] <+realdealmagic> I'm gonna go put my dogs in their beds
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