[2014-04-12 14:05:51] <Jirachee> what do we build around
[2014-04-12 14:07:07] <BKC> some1 pick somethin
[2014-04-12 14:07:11] <Jirachee> hm
[2014-04-12 14:07:14] <Jirachee> sub sd glisc
[2014-04-12 14:07:18] <Jirachee> is a cool dude
[2014-04-12 14:08:51] <Tomahawk> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:08:51] <Tomahawk> maybe uh
[2014-04-12 14:08:51] <Tomahawk> np ape?
[2014-04-12 14:09:12] <Jirachee> oh
[2014-04-12 14:09:18] <Jirachee> that sounds like a good idea yea
[2014-04-12 14:09:39] <tab> build around
[2014-04-12 14:09:43] <tab> trickspecs cm grumpig
[2014-04-12 14:10:05] <BKC> np ape is ok but
[2014-04-12 14:10:08] <BKC> it doesnt set up enough
[2014-04-12 14:10:10] <BKC> too frail
[2014-04-12 14:10:13] <Tomahawk> i dont think grumpig is that good in today's metagame
[2014-04-12 14:10:17] <BKC> and even when set up it doesnt always sweep
[2014-04-12 14:10:21] <Tomahawk> well
[2014-04-12 14:10:23] <Tomahawk> from my experience
[2014-04-12 14:10:26] <Tomahawk> you set up vsstall
[2014-04-12 14:10:31] <Tomahawk> cause it gives you the opportunity
[2014-04-12 14:10:41] <BKC> it still doesnt sweep though
[2014-04-12 14:10:43] <Tomahawk> and vs offense you just use your 3 attacks
[2014-04-12 14:10:45] <BKC> scarf rotoms
[2014-04-12 14:10:49] <Tomahawk> yeah that's annoying
[2014-04-12 14:10:50] <BKC> also it has 4mss
[2014-04-12 14:10:56] <Tomahawk> but +2 grass knot koes gyarados
[2014-04-12 14:10:56] <Jirachee> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:10:59] <BKC> not always
[2014-04-12 14:11:04] <BKC> i use like
[2014-04-12 14:11:08] <Tomahawk> i just use dual stab grass knot
[2014-04-12 14:11:09] <BKC> 16 sdef careful on gyara
[2014-04-12 14:11:15] <BKC> never koes after sr
[2014-04-12 14:11:21] <BKC> also then you lose to scarftar
[2014-04-12 14:11:29] <Tomahawk> true
[2014-04-12 14:11:35] <BKC> and scarftran
[2014-04-12 14:11:39] <BKC> and espeed luc
[2014-04-12 14:12:01] <BKC> id like to try 3 atk hyper cutter glis
[2014-04-12 14:12:12] <BKC> it blows past gyara bc of stone edge and no intimidate
[2014-04-12 14:12:18] <Tomahawk> 3 atk and sd?
[2014-04-12 14:12:23] <Jirachee> y
[2014-04-12 14:12:28] <Jirachee> that's a good idea
[2014-04-12 14:12:36] <BKC> yea
[2014-04-12 14:12:39] <Jirachee> also beats offensive rotoms with +2 se
[2014-04-12 14:12:43] <Tomahawk> okay
[2014-04-12 14:12:49] <BKC> so we're gonna need to kill
[2014-04-12 14:13:18] <BKC> starmies and skarms
[2014-04-12 14:13:18] <BKC> weakening cunes and perts helps
[2014-04-12 14:13:29] <Jirachee> and zongs too
[2014-04-12 14:13:33] <BKC> we can also use things that like dead gyara
[2014-04-12 14:13:45] <BKC> as glis lures it in easily
[2014-04-12 14:13:49] <Jirachee> yea
[2014-04-12 14:14:02] <Jirachee> mix ape weakens cune and pert
[2014-04-12 14:14:05] <Jirachee> like it's 2ez
[2014-04-12 14:14:08] <Jirachee> likes dead gyara
[2014-04-12 14:14:18] <Jirachee> and you can do a lot to starm too I guess
[2014-04-12 14:14:27] <Tomahawk> u-turn / grass knot infernape?
[2014-04-12 14:14:38] <Jirachee> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:14:45] <BKC> hm
[2014-04-12 14:14:57] <BKC> defo zong
[2014-04-12 14:15:13] <BKC> ofensive teams need a tr zong check
[2014-04-12 14:15:17] <Jirachee> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:15:55] <LizardMan> hello
[2014-04-12 14:15:59] <LizardMan> what is this
[2014-04-12 14:16:06] <Jirachee> we're building a dpp team
[2014-04-12 14:16:07] <Jirachee> :o
[2014-04-12 14:16:16] <BKC> ok
[2014-04-12 14:16:16] <Tomahawk> otr zong is good
[2014-04-12 14:16:16] <Tomahawk> you could pair it with explosion heatran so you have two chances to boom on waters
[2014-04-12 14:16:24] <BKC> gliscor / ape / preferably a pursuiter to make sure starmie doesnt hang around
[2014-04-12 14:16:55] <Jirachee> most pursuiters are rly weak to bronzong though
[2014-04-12 14:17:08] <Jirachee> so we kinda need something for that next
[2014-04-12 14:17:13] <BKC> we can still make room for a zong check
[2014-04-12 14:17:19] <LizardMan> honestly zong isnt that common
[2014-04-12 14:17:27] <LizardMan> its ok if ur offensive team is a little weak to it
[2014-04-12 14:17:39] <Acedia> would magnezone work?
[2014-04-12 14:17:40] <LizardMan> considering most offensive zong teams are slow
[2014-04-12 14:17:46] <LizardMan> and as long as u have momentum
[2014-04-12 14:17:46] <BKC> not if its 6-0ed though
[2014-04-12 14:17:48] <LizardMan> and dont give it to them
[2014-04-12 14:18:00] <LizardMan> u can win
[2014-04-12 14:18:02] <BKC> zones alright and would rape skarm for glisc
[2014-04-12 14:18:03] <BKC> but
[2014-04-12 14:18:11] <BKC> loses to eq zong
[2014-04-12 14:18:17] <Jirachee> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:18:24] <Acedia> hm true
[2014-04-12 14:18:25] <Jirachee> even the almighty
[2014-04-12 14:18:26] <LizardMan> tbh
[2014-04-12 14:18:28] <LizardMan> u can just
[2014-04-12 14:18:28] <Jirachee> Toxic Protect
[2014-04-12 14:18:33] <BKC> :'(
[2014-04-12 14:18:34] <LizardMan> outpredict otr zong too
[2014-04-12 14:18:40] <DetectiveDell> what's gucci peeps
[2014-04-12 14:18:42] <LizardMan> it doesnt have to be a check or a counter
[2014-04-12 14:18:47] <LizardMan> u just need to be able to punish it
[2014-04-12 14:18:51] <DetectiveDell> are we making a team
[2014-04-12 14:18:53] <LizardMan> and play around it more easily
[2014-04-12 14:18:57] <Jirachee> yes
[2014-04-12 14:18:58] <Jirachee> DPP
[2014-04-12 14:19:00] <LizardMan> like
[2014-04-12 14:19:02] <DetectiveDell> o
[2014-04-12 14:19:02] <DetectiveDell> fun
[2014-04-12 14:19:05] <LizardMan> breloom in on the last turn
[2014-04-12 14:19:08] <LizardMan> of trick room
[2014-04-12 14:19:10] <LizardMan> on an EQ
[2014-04-12 14:19:15] <LizardMan> that is punishing it
[2014-04-12 14:20:39] <Jirachee> uh so
[2014-04-12 14:20:41] <Jirachee> what next
[2014-04-12 14:20:49] <Tomahawk> btw for the pursuiter is there really anything other than scarftar/scizor or weavile?
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[2014-04-12 14:20:59] <Jirachee> na
[2014-04-12 14:21:36] <Kevin> whats team rn
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[2014-04-12 14:21:44] <Tomahawk> rn?
[2014-04-12 14:21:53] <Jirachee> glisc ape pursuiter
[2014-04-12 14:21:53] <Kevin> right now
[2014-04-12 14:22:00] <Tomahawk> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:22:44] <Jirachee> honestly
[2014-04-12 14:22:53] <Jirachee> I'd rather not use scizor
[2014-04-12 14:22:53] <Jirachee> as
[2014-04-12 14:23:00] <Jirachee> defensive rotom is a nig
[2014-04-12 14:23:04] <Jirachee> for glisc
[2014-04-12 14:23:38] <Tomahawk> true
[2014-04-12 14:23:53] <Tomahawk> weavile can't trap scarf rotom
[2014-04-12 14:23:56] <Tomahawk> but it can switch moves
[2014-04-12 14:24:10] <Jirachee> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:24:18] <Jirachee> but scarf rotom will revenge glisc
[2014-04-12 14:24:24] <Jirachee> if it has hpump or hp ice
[2014-04-12 14:24:25] <Tomahawk> it might be good cause it also appreciates skarm and gyara gone
[2014-04-12 14:24:30] <Tomahawk> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:24:44] <Tomahawk> ttar also helps with a sand veil bluff i guess
[2014-04-12 14:24:51] <Jirachee> yeah I guess
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[2014-04-12 14:25:06] <Jirachee> let's go with that while bkc keeps dcing
[2014-04-12 14:25:24] <Tomahawk> so
[2014-04-12 14:25:34] <Tomahawk> gliscor mixape scarf ttar (or weavile)
[2014-04-12 14:25:37] <Jirachee> y
[2014-04-12 14:25:44] <Tomahawk> allright
[2014-04-12 14:25:46] <Jirachee> we're kinda weak to waters atm
[2014-04-12 14:25:49] <Jirachee> I'd say
[2014-04-12 14:27:13] <Tomahawk> oh specs kingdra maybe
[2014-04-12 14:27:44] <Jirachee> hm maybe
[2014-04-12 14:28:21] <Jirachee> it can also lure in like skarm
[2014-04-12 14:28:22] <Tomahawk> http://pastebin.com/HXSuAdb2
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[2014-04-12 14:28:24] <Jirachee> for glisc
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[2014-04-12 14:28:46] <Jirachee> cos skarm likes switching into the dder
[2014-04-12 14:28:50] <Tomahawk> we still need something for skarm
[2014-04-12 14:29:04] <Tomahawk> specs kingdra works somewhat decent for that
[2014-04-12 14:29:10] <Jirachee> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:29:13] <Jirachee> sounds good
[2014-04-12 14:29:16] <Tomahawk> well first attack it already knows
[2014-04-12 14:29:18] <Tomahawk> but yeah
[2014-04-12 14:29:25] <Tomahawk> usually they switch in immediately
[2014-04-12 14:29:36] <Tomahawk> and hpump ohkoes
[2014-04-12 14:29:39] <Jirachee> yea
[2014-04-12 14:30:22] <Jirachee> hm
[2014-04-12 14:30:32] <Jirachee> if we go with ttar
[2014-04-12 14:30:40] <Jirachee> a dd nite will be hard to beat
[2014-04-12 14:30:53] <Tomahawk> do you like timid or modest for specsdra?
[2014-04-12 14:30:59] <Jirachee> timid
[2014-04-12 14:31:45] <Tomahawk> that's true
[2014-04-12 14:31:49] <Tomahawk> but we can always change to weavile
[2014-04-12 14:31:54] <Tomahawk> if we have problems with that i guess
[2014-04-12 14:31:56] <Jirachee> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:32:06] <Jirachee> we need a steel now
[2014-04-12 14:32:50] <Tomahawk> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:32:54] <Tomahawk> also sr
[2014-04-12 14:33:06] <Tomahawk> and a lead
[2014-04-12 14:33:10] <Jirachee> ye
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[2014-04-12 14:33:31] <Tomahawk> metagross could work
[2014-04-12 14:33:36] <Tomahawk> but it is also skarm weak
[2014-04-12 14:33:41] <Tomahawk> unless you use some kind of lure set
[2014-04-12 14:33:47] <Jirachee> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:34:23] <Jirachee> what about a scizor
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[2014-04-12 14:34:50] <Tomahawk> also weak to skarm but it can u-turn vs rotom i suppose
[2014-04-12 14:34:54] <Jirachee> hm
[2014-04-12 14:36:04] <Jirachee> what about jirachi
[2014-04-12 14:36:08] <Jirachee> a cmer
[2014-04-12 14:36:17] <Tomahawk> yeah that seems good
[2014-04-12 14:36:22] <Tomahawk> or sr special version lead
[2014-04-12 14:36:27] <Tomahawk> also helps in luring in skarm
[2014-04-12 14:36:42] <Tomahawk> like sr / psychic / thunderbolt / something @ berry
[2014-04-12 14:37:02] <Tomahawk> usually hp ground but i dont think thats necessary
[2014-04-12 14:37:11] <Jirachee> nah we're rly good vs tran
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[2014-04-12 14:37:15] <Jirachee> ah
[2014-04-12 14:37:18] <BKC> ok
[2014-04-12 14:37:20] <BKC> internet fixed
[2014-04-12 14:37:22] <BKC> hows team lookin
[2014-04-12 14:37:29] <Jirachee> we have
[2014-04-12 14:37:29] <Tomahawk> http://pastebin.com/xiUNvTgk
[2014-04-12 14:37:41] <Jirachee> and now we decided to use jirachi
[2014-04-12 14:37:45] <BKC> life orb gliscor >:(
[2014-04-12 14:37:48] <Jirachee> not sure what set though.
[2014-04-12 14:37:54] <Tomahawk> lefties?
[2014-04-12 14:38:00] <BKC> y
[2014-04-12 14:38:09] <Tomahawk> ok
[2014-04-12 14:38:24] <BKC> hm
[2014-04-12 14:38:28] <BKC> if skarm gets spikes
[2014-04-12 14:38:32] <BKC> it could be trouble!!!!!!!!!!
[2014-04-12 14:38:55] <Jirachee> ye
[2014-04-12 14:39:18] <BKC> and
[2014-04-12 14:39:21] <BKC> bronzongs still a negroid
[2014-04-12 14:39:31] <Jirachee> we can
[2014-04-12 14:39:43] <Jirachee> er
[2014-04-12 14:39:47] <Jirachee> idk
[2014-04-12 14:39:55] <Tomahawk> jirachi and bulky starm?
[2014-04-12 14:40:02] <Jirachee> then
[2014-04-12 14:40:06] <Jirachee> dd nite = lose
[2014-04-12 14:40:19] <Tomahawk> shuca on rachi
[2014-04-12 14:40:27] <Tomahawk> then
[2014-04-12 14:40:50] <Tomahawk> and hp ice maybe
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[2014-04-12 14:41:35] <Kevin> ok um
[2014-04-12 14:41:37] <Kevin> glisc ape ttar king
[2014-04-12 14:41:56] <Kevin> kinda want a steel so theres jirachi and something that beats skarm/glisc
[2014-04-12 14:42:05] <Jirachee> what about
[2014-04-12 14:42:08] <Jirachee> a mixed jirachi
[2014-04-12 14:42:15] <Kevin> skarm/zong***
[2014-04-12 14:42:20] <Jirachee> like a fake scarf
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[2014-04-12 14:42:32] <Jirachee> ihead / tbolt / ice attack / whatever
[2014-04-12 14:42:52] <Jirachee> lures in skarm like it's 2ez
[2014-04-12 14:42:57] <Jirachee> so no spike
[2014-04-12 14:43:13] <tab> waht if they use
[2014-04-12 14:43:15] <Tomahawk> okay
[2014-04-12 14:43:15] <tab> wacan skarm.
[2014-04-12 14:43:23] <Jirachee> then
[2014-04-12 14:43:25] <Kevin> lose
[2014-04-12 14:43:25] <Kevin> :'(
[2014-04-12 14:43:33] <Jirachee> hp 60 fire scizor
[2014-04-12 14:43:36] <Jirachee> :F
[2014-04-12 14:43:37] <tab> ah
[2014-04-12 14:43:37] <Jirachee> :D
[2014-04-12 14:43:39] <tab> GG
[2014-04-12 14:43:43] <Kevin> also mamoswine kind of smashes this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[2014-04-12 14:43:47] <Jirachee> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:43:56] <Kevin> and
[2014-04-12 14:43:56] <Jirachee> bronzong would fit as a steel
[2014-04-12 14:43:57] <Jirachee> imo
[2014-04-12 14:43:58] <supermarth64> rip hp 59 tech pokemon
[2014-04-12 14:43:58] <Kevin> i cant believe it but
[2014-04-12 14:44:02] <Kevin> weavile does too
[2014-04-12 14:44:05] <Kevin> :|
[2014-04-12 14:44:11] <Kevin> and so does breloom
[2014-04-12 14:44:11] <Jirachee> is vile.
[2014-04-12 14:44:16] <Kevin> :|
[2014-04-12 14:44:16] <Jirachee> we can use
[2014-04-12 14:44:18] <Jirachee> zapper and zong
[2014-04-12 14:44:20] <Jirachee> as last
[2014-04-12 14:44:26] <Kevin> what about
[2014-04-12 14:44:29] <Kevin> ditching kingdra for starmie
[2014-04-12 14:44:31] <Kevin> so we would have
[2014-04-12 14:44:41] <Kevin> ttar gliscor starmie bronzong zapdos infernape
[2014-04-12 14:44:49] <Jirachee> that sounds good
[2014-04-12 14:44:53] <Kevin> !
[2014-04-12 14:44:55] <Kevin> i will make it
[2014-04-12 14:44:55] <Tomahawk> yes sounds good
[2014-04-12 14:45:01] <tab> what do you do
[2014-04-12 14:45:10] <Tomahawk> but no starmie switchin
[2014-04-12 14:45:17] <Tomahawk> only trap
[2014-04-12 14:45:24] <tab> vs a passho berry ttar with ice beam/fire blast/crunch/stone edge
[2014-04-12 14:45:29] <tab> and enough bulk to tank an eq.
[2014-04-12 14:45:37] <Jirachee> spdef zong
[2014-04-12 14:45:37] <Tomahawk> attack it twice
[2014-04-12 14:45:40] <Jirachee> gyro ball GG
[2014-04-12 14:45:48] <Tomahawk> infernape
[2014-04-12 14:45:50] <tab> ah.
[2014-04-12 14:45:57] <Kevin> scarftar takes an lo starmie hpump
[2014-04-12 14:45:58] <Kevin> at full
[2014-04-12 14:46:02] <Kevin> zapdos checks the bulky sets
[2014-04-12 14:46:06] <Kevin> tweezy
[2014-04-12 14:46:39] <Tomahawk> lo hpump can ko scarftar afters sr tho
[2014-04-12 14:46:48] <Kevin> then dont switch it in when sr is up duh
[2014-04-12 14:47:02] <LizardMan> thunder wave starmie
[2014-04-12 14:47:02] <LizardMan> lgi
[2014-04-12 14:47:04] <Tomahawk> but then you have no starmie switchin :o
[2014-04-12 14:47:04] <Jirachee> fuck kevin
[2014-04-12 14:47:05] <LizardMan> bold thunder wave starmie
[2014-04-12 14:47:06] <Kevin> honestly apes gonna do jack shit on this team
[2014-04-12 14:47:15] <Kevin> could probably get rid of it for something good
[2014-04-12 14:47:21] <Jirachee> yea
[2014-04-12 14:47:23] <Jirachee> idk
[2014-04-12 14:47:26] <Kevin> like something that switches into bulky rotom
[2014-04-12 14:47:29] <Kevin> like a heatran!!!!!!!!!!
[2014-04-12 14:47:45] <Tomahawk> yeah
[2014-04-12 14:47:55] <Tomahawk> with maybe explosion or passho hp grass to still weaken waters?
[2014-04-12 14:48:06] <Jirachee> passho sounds good
[2014-04-12 14:48:20] <Jirachee> I like explosion
[2014-04-12 14:48:22] <Kevin> sure
[2014-04-12 14:48:26] <Jirachee> it works against gyarados too
[2014-04-12 14:48:27] <Kevin> lava/epower/hp grass/boom
[2014-04-12 14:48:33] <Jirachee> lava????
[2014-04-12 14:48:37] <Kevin> sure
[2014-04-12 14:48:38] <tab> what if
[2014-04-12 14:48:38] <Kevin> burnz
[2014-04-12 14:48:40] <Kevin> r good
[2014-04-12 14:48:40] <tab> gyara has eq
[2014-04-12 14:48:41] <Jirachee> Fire Blast.
[2014-04-12 14:48:43] <Kevin> we lose
[2014-04-12 14:48:45] <Kevin> :'(
[2014-04-12 14:48:53] <Kevin> theres starmie so who cares
[2014-04-12 14:48:54] <Jirachee> Fire Blast does dmg
[2014-04-12 14:48:56] <Kevin> gliscor kills gyara anyway
[2014-04-12 14:48:58] <tab> i thought you were supposed to be a Good team builder.
[2014-04-12 14:49:01] <Kevin> and perts a bigger concern
[2014-04-12 14:49:06] <Jirachee> ye
[2014-04-12 14:49:07] <Kevin> lava also does damage
[2014-04-12 14:49:09] <Kevin> but it also burns
[2014-04-12 14:49:14] <Jirachee> lava does dmg
[2014-04-12 14:49:15] <Kevin> so fuck you!!!!!!!!!!!!
[2014-04-12 14:49:18] <Jirachee> fire blast does DMG
[2014-04-12 14:49:26] <Jirachee> see the difference.
[2014-04-12 14:49:52] <Tomahawk> magma storm traps !!
[2014-04-12 14:50:00] <Tomahawk> no nvm
[2014-04-12 14:50:01] <Tomahawk> it misses
[2014-04-12 14:50:04] <Jirachee> it also misses
[2014-04-12 14:50:04] <Jirachee> :D
[2014-04-12 14:50:25] <Jirachee> but yea
[2014-04-12 14:50:41] <Jirachee> zap / glisc / tran / ttar / starm / zong
[2014-04-12 14:50:44] <Jirachee> looks solid enough
[2014-04-12 14:50:55] <Tomahawk> zap or zong lead btw
[2014-04-12 14:50:58] <Jirachee> zap