[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: Eq v37 games
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[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: Labs OP...
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: On such maps with a lot of expanding mexes sera have no real answer to labs
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: if u aren't prepared
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: *rushed yenzines
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: u won't answer these raids
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: thaam slow and easy to out micro
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: ilshavoh even slower
[e]Exotic_Retard: what would you suggest to solve this issue
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: Probably some changes to Selen
[e]Exotic_Retard: is the issue with veterancy on labs or just that selen cant stop them?
[e]Exotic_Retard: can other factions deal with this? i.e. if you are cyb and just build mantis only
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: The thing is, factions with labs can just spam them from start and raid sera no prob to death
[e]Exotic_Retard: ok so i guess i will tell you things now :D
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: Sera won't raid back and won't defend from you if u micro
[e]Exotic_Retard: 1. lab veterancy is nerfed a little next patch
[e]Exotic_Retard: 2. official faf patch broke selen stealth code thats gonna be fixed next patch
[e]Exotic_Retard: 3. selens have 20dps, 75hp and cost 10 mass less so 2 should beat a lab
[e]Exotic_Retard: but i think i found an issue here
[e]Exotic_Retard: im 99% sure that selens used to outrange labs in old versions of eq
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: You miss the point
[e]Exotic_Retard: so you could actually fuck labs pretty hard because infinite kiting, but useless vs tanks cos yeah
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: As sera you won't catch labs in early game
[e]Exotic_Retard: thats not true anymore and i need to find out why
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: just like you wouldnt catch harbs with bricks
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: they'll raid you
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: in 2d game i sent, if it wasn't Super, but some ladder player
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: i'd lose
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: And yet, i was "prepared" for that tactic with Yenzine rush
[e]Exotic_Retard: no i think i totally get your point - sera doesnt have any t1 that can catch labs and win reliably
[e]Exotic_Retard: in any case i need to wait for ithilis to discuss this with him, since it seems range has been changed in the past for selens and i want to know why
[UEF]SiwaonaDaphnewen: ok