fucking idiot

[04:47] +schweitzdaddy65: why is mega altaria allowed right now
[04:48] +schweitzdaddy65: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-vgc2014-1724771
[04:48] +Hexpecial: Because VGC has been updated
[04:48] +Hexpecial: It's all Kalos Dex + New items + Move Tutors
[04:48] +schweitzdaddy65: but no
[04:48] +schweitzdaddy65: you literally cant put new mega stones
[04:48] +schweitzdaddy65: into x and y
[04:48] +Hexpecial: Who cares, it's still the new items
[04:48] +schweitzdaddy65: the game doesnt let you
[04:48] +Hexpecial: You can still play VGC on ORAS
[04:49] +schweitzdaddy65: new rules still state the games are to be played on xy carts
[04:49] +Hexpecial: Pretty sure it doesn't
[04:49] +Hexpecial: I'm looking at the ruling atm
[04:50] +schweitzdaddy65: "Only legitimate versions of Pokémon X or Pokémon Y can be used in Play! Pokémon tournaments. This includes
[04:50] +schweitzdaddy65: downloadable versions of Pokémon X or Pokémon Y. Players are restricted on which region Game Cards they can
[04:50] +schweitzdaddy65: use, based on the country where they are playing"
[04:50] +Hexpecial: Players may use items that have been officially released via Pokémon X, Pokémon Y, Pokémon
[04:50] +Hexpecial: Omega Ruby, Pokémon Alpha Sapphire, the Pokémon Global Link, or an official event or
[04:50] +Hexpecial: promotion
[04:50] +schweitzdaddy65: but the items cant exist in xy
[04:50] +schweitzdaddy65: so you cant use them
[04:50] +Hexpecial: It doesn't matter because that's what it says in the rules
[04:51] +schweitzdaddy65: i dont think you know what youre talking about
[04:51] +Hexpecial: It doesn't specify that you can't use those items on XY
[04:51] +schweitzdaddy65: THE ITEMS LITERALLY CANT BE IN THE GAME
[04:51] +Hexpecial: It just says ou can use those items
[04:51] +schweitzdaddy65: how hard is this concept to grasp
[04:51] +Hexpecial: I understand that
[04:51] +Mister_GX: Hex, the enw mega stones are not programmed into the game
[04:51] +Hexpecial: But section 9.1, second last bullet point
[04:51] +Hexpecial: It clearly states you can use the new items
[04:52] +Mister_GX: and I think ORAS becomes legal for vgc on jan 1
[04:52] +Livy: Altarialite doesn't exist in XY programming
[04:52] +Hexpecial: Whether or not you can physically use those makes no difference for VGC on Showdown
[04:52] +schweitzdaddy65: you could use them
[04:52] +schweitzdaddy65: IF THEY EXISTED
[04:52] +Hexpecial: but it does on cart
[04:52] +Hexpecial: Because Showdown is clearly following the rules
[04:52] +Hexpecial: But SHOWDOWN IS NOT CART
[04:52] +Hexpecial: There is a very clear distinction there
[04:52] +schweitzdaddy65: vgc 14 can only be hypothetically played on an xy cart
[04:52] +Hexpecial: Showdown is following the ruling 100%
[04:53] +schweitzdaddy65: on a simulator you might as well be using xy
[04:53] +Livy: Except for the cart part :P
[04:53] +Hexpecial: Whether or not you can use those in a physical copy makes no difference because Showdown isn't breaking any rules
[04:53] +schweitzdaddy65: how dense are you
[04:54] +Livy: Technically Showdown is allowing the ORAS cart to be used
[04:55] +Hexpecial: I don't see it doing anything wrong
[04:56] +Hexpecial: You can see it as a technicality if you like
[04:56] +Mystzr: they swap to ORAS on jan 1st
[04:56] +Mystzr: so you can use all those items on jan 1st
[04:58] +schweitzdaddy65: theres not a technicality at all
[04:58] +schweitzdaddy65: its blatantly going against the rules
[04:59] +Hexpecial: But it's not!
[04:59] +Hexpecial: It's clearly stated
[04:59] +schweitzdaddy65: if you cant see where youre going wrong youre not worth convincing otherwise
[04:59] +Hexpecial: "Players may use items that have been officially released via Pokémon X, Pokémon Y, Pokémon Omega Ruby, Pokémon Alpha Sapphire, the Pokémon Global Link, or an official event or promotion"
[04:59] +schweitzdaddy65: have you just not listened to a word ive said
[04:59] +Hexpecial: It says there Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
[04:59] +schweitzdaddy65: you keep going back to a point
[04:59] +schweitzdaddy65: thats already been disproven
[04:59] +schweitzdaddy65: what is your argument
[04:59] +Hexpecial: Have you checked the ruling?
[04:59] +schweitzdaddy65: you have none
[05:00] +Hexpecial: It's literally written there
[05:00] +Hexpecial: Second last bullpoint of section 9.1
[05:00] +schweitzdaddy65: its literally written that you can only use xy game carts
[05:00] +schweitzdaddy65: and if an item cant be on an xy game cart guess what
[05:00] +schweitzdaddy65: ya cant use it
[05:00] +schweitzdaddy65: not that hard
[05:00] +Hexpecial: Also that they swap to ORAS on Dec the first
[05:01] +Hexpecial: Which I mean Showdown is gettng the head start on
[05:01] +schweitzdaddy65: Pokémon Omega Ruby and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire will replace Pokémon X and Pokémon Y beginning
[05:01] +schweitzdaddy65: January 1, 2015.
[05:01] +Hexpecial: But Showdown isn't Cartridge
[05:01] +schweitzdaddy65: really now
[05:01] +schweitzdaddy65: are you sure tis december 1st
[05:01] +Hexpecial: I meant Jan
[05:01] +schweitzdaddy65: it wont be vgc 2014 rules january first
[05:01] +schweitzdaddy65: it will be vgc 2015
[05:01] +schweitzdaddy65: and played on oras exclusively
[05:01] +schweitzdaddy65: THEN the new mega stones will be legal
[05:02] +Hexpecial: Techincally they're legal now though and that's the thig
[05:02] +schweitzdaddy65: no
[05:02] +schweitzdaddy65: they arent
[05:02] +schweitzdaddy65: do you not learn anything
[05:03] +Hexpecial: I don't consider myself as being wrong
[05:03] +schweitzdaddy65: thats too bad because you are
[05:03] +Hexpecial: On what grounds
[05:03] +Hexpecial: Literally it's written in the rules
[05:03] +Hexpecial: How does that fact escape you
[05:03] +schweitzdaddy65: literally everything youve said
[05:04] +schweitzdaddy65: how does it escape you that your basis for an argument is immediately disproven by the fact that those oras items cant be in xy
[05:04] +Hexpecial: Because we're not playing on cartridge
[05:05] +schweitzdaddy65: yeah but youre playing by vgc rules
[05:05] +Hexpecial: Which states that the items are allowed
[05:05] +schweitzdaddy65: vgc rules dont allow those items because its assumed youre playing on an xy cart or simulator
[05:05] +schweitzdaddy65: not an oras one
[05:05] +Hexpecial: You're playing on a VGC simulator not an XY simulator
[05:06] +schweitzdaddy65: simply put if youre using oras mega stones that cant exist in xy you arent playing vgc 2014
[05:06] +Hexpecial: The ruling doesn't say that "Items not present in XY cannot be used in XY"
[05:07] +Hexpecial: I mean you can take that at face value as something that makes logical sense
[05:07] +schweitzdaddy65: well yeah because they cant exist in the game
[05:07] +Hexpecial: However, by the official ruling
[05:07] +Hexpecial: it doesn't care about that fact
[05:07] +schweitzdaddy65: its hard to use something that doesnt exist
[05:07] +EspyyVGC: Hai
[05:07] +Hexpecial: Or else it would be written there
[05:07] +schweitzdaddy65: how are you going to be using something that isnt usable
[05:07] +schweitzdaddy65: they dont have to write about that because theres an implied intelligence leve