Budda/Zeke convo over IRC: 2016 7th aug.

[18:05:20] <Zekezor> Yo Budda, you around?
[18:05:35] <Budda> shortly, heading to bed in a few minutes
[18:05:42] <Zekezor> Quick question
[18:05:48] <Zekezor> Whats the purpuse of the boat change?
[18:06:02] <Zekezor> aka, being able to shoot ships
[18:06:22] <Budda> i talked about that in that pvp suggestion thread, sec
[18:06:40] <Budda> http://forum.wurmonline.com/index.php?/topic/144030-chaos-pvp-changes-wurm-pvp-changes-in-general/&do=findComment&comment=1478860
[18:07:40] <Zekezor> uhm
[18:07:43] <Zekezor> i read what you wrote
[18:07:45] <Zekezor> and....
[18:08:00] <Zekezor> wouldnt the other team just shoot back and thus equal speed is achieved?
[18:08:10] <Zekezor> if someone gets targeted, as mentioned earlier, they just use heal to counter it.
[18:08:20] <Budda> heals have been changed as well
[18:08:36] <Zekezor> well okay, the dude puts on a shield and thus becomes unkillable by archery
[18:08:42] <Zekezor> once again, how does this fix it?
[18:08:45] <Zekezor> =/
[18:08:50] <Budda> and i'd be surprised if there was ever a situation where the exact same damage was made to the exact same QL boats
[18:09:01] <Zekezor> Oh you dont think much about pvp do you?
[18:09:10] <Zekezor> with this change every boat fight gets a requirement of a 95ql boat.
[18:09:18] <Zekezor> and it also makes it zerg friendly
[18:09:20] <Zekezor> since if 2 ships fight one
[18:09:26] <Zekezor> the 1 ship has no chance of survival
[18:09:29] <Zekezor> since its speed will dorp
[18:09:36] <Zekezor> and thus the enemy can zoom in, strike, zoom out
[18:09:41] <Zekezor> without the slow boat being able to catch them
[18:09:47] <Zekezor> and then the second boat takes over and finish a kill
[18:09:58] <Zekezor> before anyone on the slow boat can do enough dmg to defend itself
[18:10:00] <Zekezor> thus
[18:10:05] <Budda> if a zerg is attacking a smaller group, why would the small group be chasing the zerg
[18:10:05] <Zekezor> you create a new pvp dilemma
[18:10:27] <Zekezor> Becouse they are better at the game and got stronger accounts
[18:10:29] <Zekezor> with this change
[18:10:33] <Zekezor> numbers become the new way to win
[18:10:48] <Zekezor> it doesnt matter if you are beastly at boat pvp
[18:10:53] <Zekezor> if the enemy got 2 ships instead of 1
[18:10:54] <Zekezor> they win
[18:10:56] <Zekezor> by default
[18:10:58] <Zekezor> thus
[18:11:02] <Zekezor> roaming in hostile land is suicide
[18:11:12] <Zekezor> hostile seas*
[18:11:17] <Zekezor> example: home server raids
[18:11:18] <Budda> have you tested this?
[18:11:23] <Zekezor> I can see it logically
[18:11:25] <Zekezor> cant you?
[18:11:27] <Budda> or is all this knowledge coming from your psychic powers?
[18:11:29] <Zekezor> if not, i have little faith in you.
[18:11:38] <Zekezor> Think about it for a moment.
[18:11:40] <Zekezor> and remember
[18:11:40] <Budda> if there was one thing you should get from my posts
[18:11:45] <Budda> is that i want people to test shit
[18:11:50] <Budda> if stuff is proven to not work
[18:11:51] <Zekezor> this is comming from the group with the grand majority of wins on sea
[18:11:53] <Budda> i'll fucking change it
[18:11:57] <Budda> but coming to me on irc
[18:12:01] <Zekezor> no need to swear...
[18:12:11] <Budda> spouting bullshit about how the untested change is literally the worst thing in the world
[18:12:16] <Budda> is not going to make me listen to you
[18:12:18] <Zekezor> ....
[18:12:34] <Zekezor> Logically speaking, the 2 other ships will slow down the solo ship at twice the rate
[18:12:38] <Zekezor> thus gaining the speed advantage
[18:12:51] <Zekezor> thus being able to switch their positions and thus deal kills while leaving with half hp
[18:12:54] <Zekezor> its about logic budda.
[18:13:02] <Budda> tell me
[18:13:16] <Budda> what would happen if 2 knarrs of 10 people went against 1 knarr of 10 people right now
[18:13:26] <Budda> would the single knarr win?
[18:13:34] <Budda> or would they get overrun by numbers
[18:13:44] <Zekezor> Depends on the setup, noone fights on knarrs
[18:13:47] <Zekezor> sailboats are prefered.
[18:13:57] <Zekezor> if they are on a knarr they dont know wtf they are doing.
[18:13:59] <Zekezor> plain and simple.
[18:14:11] <Budda> ingore the specifics
[18:14:17] <Budda> my point is
[18:14:22] <Budda> right now, do numbers decide a battle?
[18:14:24] <Zekezor> Okay in that case it depends on the spellpower and strength of the accounts
[18:14:30] <Budda> from everything ive been told so far, they do
[18:14:35] <Zekezor> Dependant on the situation, yes
[18:14:47] <Budda> so whats the difference
[18:14:50] <Zekezor> the drivers ability matters a lot at sea
[18:15:09] <Zekezor> At sea a mobile sailboat can win against multiple sailboats if the team composition is good
[18:15:12] <Zekezor> and the driver is good
[18:15:17] <Zekezor> With your change its all numbers.
[18:15:26] <Zekezor> I rather keep the skill aspect.
[18:15:40] <Budda> how does this change do away with skill?
[18:15:56] <Zekezor> Ever tried to fight at sea with a slower ship?
[18:15:57] <Budda> if the two boats are unskilled, they wont have the same skill at firing at the single boat to slow it down
[18:16:04] <Budda> compared to those skilled characters on the other boat
[18:16:07] <Zekezor> archery is easy to obtain.
[18:16:12] <Zekezor> very easy
[18:16:29] <Zekezor> also it require no support skills
[18:16:40] <Zekezor> to the diffrense of melee combat or mounted fighting
[18:17:46] <Budda> im going to bed, test your fears then get back to me
[18:17:54] <Zekezor> we have....
[18:17:57] <Budda> you have no idea what damage does to speed currently
[18:18:03] <Zekezor> the very basics behind the things i say
[18:18:06] <Zekezor> is the reason noone uses knarrs...
[18:18:07] <Budda> you have no idea the difficulty of hitting the boat
[18:18:08] <Budda> or the caps
[18:18:46] <Budda> i'm not just blindingly removing or cchanging things based on fears
[18:18:48] <Zekezor> Budda... My team is the ones who made other kingdoms whine about BL spells, ships and full heal....
[18:18:51] <Zekezor> Us alone...
[18:18:56] <Zekezor> Everyone changed based on what we did..
[18:18:59] <Zekezor> Please. Listen.
[18:19:04] <Zekezor> We know these things better than anyone
[18:19:04] <Budda> goodnight
[18:19:07] <Zekezor> sigh. bye.