GCW Atari initial discussion

[17:33] <cryo_> Buy Atari... OK! http://www.fundable.com/reset-atari
[17:36] <Surkow|laptop> that was quick
[17:36] <Surkow|laptop> :D
[17:36] <Surkow|laptop> it was only just posted
[17:39] <Vysse> Hey boys
[17:39] <Vysse> I left one day and what a big new I miss
[17:40] <Vysse> This Atari thing it's crazy
[17:40] <Surkow|laptop> :D
[17:40] <Surkow|laptop> see, progress
[17:41] <Vysse> I will have to read it better and deeper the agreement but I don't get where will the founds of the bid will come from
[17:42] <Vysse> I read roller coaster tycoon and Baldur's Gate :D
[17:44] <Surkow|laptop> you invest money, just like with kickstarter
[17:44] <Vysse> Oh
[17:44] <Vysse> I see
[17:44] <Vysse> Which is the minimum goal
[17:45] <Vysse> I assume the competence will make huge bids
[17:45] <Surkow|laptop> competitors, yes
[17:45] <Surkow|laptop> so it might fail
[17:46] <Vysse> Is this the big agreement u talked of zear?
[17:46] <zear> what big agreement i talked about?
[17:46] <Surkow|laptop> so we need you guys to invest ;)
[17:46] <Surkow|laptop> anyone who missed out on a unit
[17:46] <Surkow|laptop> can invest and receive a unit
[17:47] <Vysse> U said something about u know big news to come that you couldn't reveal yet
[17:47] <Vysse> Which is the minimum to succeed?
[17:47] <Surkow|laptop> I have no idea
[17:48] <Vysse> I mean like the kickstarter
[17:48] <Vysse> Interesting and detailed info of the project here
[17:48] <zear> Vysse, oh i didn't know about that
[17:49] <Vysse> It seems the Gcw can be upgraded?
[17:49] <Vysse>  the GCW play non-Atari games?
[17:49] <Vysse> Yes.  The GCW is capable of playing games from virtually all legacy systems and will be upgraded to support those systems as we develop and enhance the software.  It’s a very extensible device.
[17:49] <zear> justin surprised us all
[17:49] <Vysse> " the GCW play non-Atari games?
[17:49] <Vysse> Yes.  The GCW is capable of playing games from virtually all legacy systems and will be upgraded to support those systems as we develop and enhance the software.  It’s a very extensible device."
[17:49] <Vysse> Ok
[17:49] <zear> i was talking about known commercial games that were ported to GCW, but we await the authors' agreement before we can announce them
[17:49] <Vysse> I am quoting the webpage
[17:49] <Surkow|laptop> so this is not about the library of atari ;)
[17:49] <Vysse> Ok
[17:50] <Vysse> I would like to know more about the commercial games then :)
[17:52] <Vysse> Oh,  I see.  The goal is 250K$
[17:56] <Vysse> Where are Juan and Percuei to lucubrate about the deal
[17:57] <Surkow|laptop> what does that even mean D:
[18:01] <Vysse> To discuss and show their opinion.
[18:02] <Vysse> I'm in a very long and boring bus trip right now,  that's all xD
[18:04] <GCW> more news in about an hour or so
[18:04] <GCW> two more computers will be legit and licensed for the gcw
[18:04] <GCW> finishing up licensing deal now
[18:05] <GCW> and a old game studio license deal for their old titles
[18:06] <Vysse> Wow.  Buzzing night
[18:06] <Vysse> Buzzling
[18:07] <GCW> been working on this since Feb 28th hence reason I was not here
[18:10] <GCW> I really want to make this console great and emulation legal for multiple emulators
[18:14] <Vysse> You have to be clear differencing the KS campaign from the fundable one.  I have already seen some confused users on the boards that think their ks payments will also be used for the license purchase
[18:14] <GCW> what boards
[18:15] <Vysse> And spanish one haha
[18:15] <GCW> well clarify for me ;)
[18:15] <Vysse> Don't worry,  I'll try to clarify it
[18:16] <GCW> the funable is seperate and no KS money is being used in this endeavor. The KS money is being used for purchase of pledge prizes and production of the GCW Zero
[18:18] <Vysse> Just copy this message in K's.  Just for not feeding our apocalyptic fans ;)
[18:19] <Juan> Big log, what did I miss
[18:19] <Juan> Hey Vysse
[18:19] <johnnyonflame>  Vysse they'll be fed out of nothing tbh
[18:19] <johnnyonflame> these people search for reasons to be all scared for
[18:20] <johnnyonflame> and they find it in places no other person would, for no reason
[18:20] <Vysse> Good night Juan
[18:21] <Juan> Hey everyone I didn't say hey to.
[18:21] <Surkow|laptop> hi ;)
[18:21] <Juan> Hi Surkow|laptop, are you new here
[18:21] <Surkow|laptop> only today
[18:21] <Juan> ;>
[18:21] <Surkow|laptop> tomorrow I'm old
[18:22] <j-live> so what did i miss?
[18:22] <Surkow|laptop> atari bidding
[18:22] <j-live> gcw has the funds to attempt to aquire atari's software library?
[18:22] <Vysse> A new quad core gcw for 2015 =D
[18:22] <Surkow|laptop> not enough, that's why you invest ;)
[18:23] <Juan> Did atari ever develop any good first party games
[18:23] <Juan> Most 2600 games I can think of are published by activision
[18:24] <GCW> alot where by them also
[18:24] <GCW> asteroids
[18:24] <GCW> pong
[18:24] <GCW> space invaders
[18:24] <Juan> POng? REally?
[18:24] <Surkow|laptop> ;)
[18:24] <Juan> I thought space invaders was made by taito
[18:25] <GCW> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atari_2600_games
[18:25] <Juan> keystone kapers is all you need
[18:25] <GCW> taito licensed it from Atari
[18:25] <Juan> Sure it wasn't the other way around?
[18:26] <GCW> Pretty sure
[18:30] <Mmmonster> and if you get the licenses, these games will be payed ?
[18:31] <Surkow|laptop> yes
[18:31] <Surkow|laptop> but the investors receive 20 games
[18:35] <RodrigoCard> just read the update #26, Wow, I dont know what top think...
[18:35] <Surkow|laptop> ;)
[18:35] <GCW> and a console
[18:36] <jxv> I just read it too.
[18:36] <jxv> RodrigoCard said it right.
[18:37] <Juan> I just read it
[18:37] <Juan> and
[18:37] <Juan> o_O
[18:40] <Mmmonster> galaga is from atari ?
[18:40] <Juan> Namco
[18:41] <Mmmonster> yep but it appears in the video of the reset of atari
[18:44] <Mmmonster> the idea of buying atari rights seems great....but from now on, will you try to ban emulators of systems that you do not have the rights ?
[18:44] <Tanistass> What about the acquisition of Sega licenses Justin has mentioned in the ks update?
[18:44] <Tanistass> Nice question,  mmmonster
[18:44] * Juan just wants his oss friendly handheld
[18:49] <GCW> why would I ban anything
[18:49] <GCW> it's open source
[18:49] <GCW> any one can develop for GCW
[18:50] <DMackey> \o/
[18:52] <Mmmonster> if you sell an emulator and others give it for free...that doesn't seems right for you. Especially if you payed the rights of the system. If i was you, i would be pissed off.
[18:52] <Juan> wha
[18:53] <johnnyonflame> Mmmonster, shit happens
[18:53] <johnnyonflame> fighting shit with shit is bad
[18:53] <Juan> Who's selling an emulator
[18:53] <Tanistass> Excuse for my ignorance but this movement seems a little bit paradoxical to me,  buying a game license from an open source company it implies you are theoretically killing the intellectual right of those titles and you can edit them as much as you want
[18:54] <Surkow|laptop> <Mmmonster> the idea of buying atari rights seems great....but from now on, will you try to ban emulators of systems that you do not have the rights ?
[18:54] <Surkow|laptop> we cannot advertise
[18:55] <Surkow|laptop> with games we haven't licensed
[18:55] <Surkow|laptop> hence, even though emulation is legal
[18:55] <Surkow|laptop> we cannot use any game intellectual property
[18:55] <Surkow|laptop> maybe fair use
[18:55] <Surkow|laptop> but not more
[18:55] <Juan> But aren't you doing that just now
[18:55] <Juan> Associating the zero to this campaign
[18:56] <Surkow|laptop> oh
[18:57] <Surkow|laptop> good one
[18:57] <Surkow|laptop> :D
[18:57] <Surkow|laptop> but they are for sale
[18:57] <Juan> And?
[18:57] <Surkow|laptop> so they aren't able to sue us
[18:57] <Surkow|laptop> you don't sue prospective buyers
[18:57] <Juan> The future holder could
[18:57] <Surkow|laptop> hmm
[18:57] <Surkow|laptop> only after we fail
[18:57] <Mmmonster> i only see two perks of buying atari rights...1-you can have legal games on gcw or future consoles 2- you can profit if some1 try to do a remake of old games...something like tempest 2015
[18:57] <Surkow|laptop> or well
[18:58] <Surkow|laptop> GCW
[18:58] <Surkow|laptop> hmm, yes
[18:58] <Surkow|laptop> remakes are possible
[18:58] <Mmmonster> ok surkow your reasoning seems fair to me
[18:58] <Juan> Also, new console for 2015
[18:58] <Juan> isn't that like
[18:58] <Juan> bullshit
[18:58] <Surkow|laptop> hmm
[18:59] <Surkow|laptop> just think of it as this
[18:59] <Surkow|laptop> GCW is the company
[18:59] <Surkow|laptop> we are a group of developers who have no hardware control
[18:59] <Surkow|laptop> work is done for the current hardware
[18:59] <GCW> hardware is my field how is console in 2015 unbelievable
[18:59] <Juan> Shouldn't you be mad then, money going to buy licenses instead of funding further development
[19:00] <Surkow|laptop> hmmm
[19:00] <Surkow|laptop> most work that has been done so far
[19:00] <Surkow|laptop> is done pro bono
[19:00] <Juan> I mean, I could just have waited for a cheaper chinese clone but I thought it was better to support the project and get some money for the devs
[19:00] <Surkow|laptop> so all development until now has been done because we want to contribute to the community
[19:02] <GCW> Licensing equals more software legit legal emulation
[19:03] <Mmmonster> ok one more question...suppose that you buy atari rights and if you developed an emulator of an atari system. will you give it away for free ?
[19:03] <GCW> and more funds to support development and paying of the developers
[19:03] <GCW> the emulator is always free
[19:04] <GCW> that won't change if we get license
[19:04] <RodrigoCard> So, at last initially, is to offer 'legal' Atari ROMs for a fixed price?
[19:05] <GCW> yes
[19:05] <GCW> then eventually release then as Free Domain
[19:05] <RodrigoCard> without disallowing 'illegal' ones?
[19:05] <Mmmonster> ok...that is good  enough for me....i will support you at ks because i want to help the comunity as well
[19:06] <GCW> I'm not gonna go around sueing if that is what you mean
[19:06] <RodrigoCard> not what I mean
[19:07] <GCW> everyone has to make a choice to support legal emulation and legal roms or choose to not pay and download illegal ones
[19:07] <RodrigoCard> I thought about something more like disallow atari emulators in a official 'app store' or something like that
[19:08] <Mmmonster> but as you might know...many of us already payed these games long time ago...should we pay for them again ?
[19:08] <RodrigoCard> Well, CHOICE is good! :)
[19:09] <RodrigoCard> Mmmonster : Well, nobody will stop you from using your existing romset on your GCW zero :)
[19:11] <Mmmonster> i know...and i already said it that i will support this project...i was just thinking out loud :D
[19:13] <Tanistass> I also be more interesting to give the funds to hardware and software developers in order to simplify and attract indie developers
[19:15] <zear> it would be perfect if the acquiring of Atari IP could later lead to us getting IP or just re-selling other people's roms
[19:15] <zear> so an appstore where you can buy roms for any platform
[19:15] <zear> and you get them in their original form
[19:15] <zear> that you can use on any device, with any emulator
[19:15] <zear> unlike that crap you sometimes see in the stores, "30 classic SEGA games, all embedded in an .exe"
[19:16] <RodrigoCard> So, a non-nintendo Virtual Console. :)
[19:18] <zear> except that you can reuse your rom on any other platform
[19:18] <Mmmonster> i think it s impossible to have a romstore with many roms.... the gamegadget tried to have one, and failed
[19:19] <RodrigoCard> did gamegadget roms have drm?
[19:20] <Surkow|laptop> I don't think they did
[19:20] <Mmmonster> if i remember they have some kind of protection...
[19:21] <GCW>  All previous Kickstarter pledgers and early adopters will also get this set of 20 Atari games if successful in our bid for Atari.
[19:21] <Mmmonster> but their protection was rubbish
[19:22] <[JJ]Albert> GCW: what's this about atari?
[19:23] <freakazoid0223> I guess the bid is for the part that wants to break away anyway?
[19:23] <[JJ]Albert> Hold on, a bid for a large company?
[19:23] <[JJ]Albert> Someone explain.
[19:23] <Mmmonster> http://www.fundable.com/reset-atari#profile
[19:24] <cryo_> it is exactly whast it sounds like you missed the two hour discussion we just had :)
[19:27] <Tanistass> Oh,  I think I missed the first part.  Give us 5 cents lol
[19:27] <Tanistass> Plz