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- <aaaaaa> Welcome miester jl777
- <aaaaaa> So whats the news is this a trustless system?
- <bbbbbb_> is this were the btcd talk is at? :D
- <aaaaaa> No this is the pokemon channel?
- <aaaaaa> Jokes. Yep
- <jl777> yes I hear some claims that surprise me
- <bbbbbb_> lol
- <bbbbbb_> I get jokes
- <aaaaaa> Ok so
- <ccccc> Jl777 gggggg's concern is that the BTCD system is not truustless
- <aaaaaa> Shal we commence
- <sdgsdg> i heard bitcoin is a scam
- <jl777> where is the trust point?
- <eee> who is jl777 i hear many people like him
- <ccccc> he may be a bit distracted right now he said he is reading the thread
- <aaaaaa> gggggg how can you throw around such horrible accusations
- <bbbbbb_> So here's whats going on. I'm in talk with investors right
- now. We were leaning towards buying an asic farm to mine/rent. If we
- can get a project together I would have no problem getting an llc
- wrote up. So far we have around 200k usd ready to invest.
- <fffffffff> no poiint in fearing ascics, coins that do will fail
- <bbbbbb_> Just throwing that out there for this new project
- <jl777> now I am adding trusted teleporting, this actually really
- improves privacy levels, but it is only for usage between people that
- trust each other.
- <gggggg> as far as i can see, its a diversion of the basic coinjoin
- concept, just instead of transporting coins through a node, you
- transport them through a pod
- <eee> is jl777 a btcd dev
- <jl777> I am still working to improve the entry into the teleport
- system, I am expecting there will be vendors of aged telepods who wont
- care that they are identified as injecting funds into the teleport
- economy
- <4456456> eee: seems so, and his ip hosts the darkpaper pdf.
- <eee> noice
- <ccccc> it is def jl777 : -)
- <jl777> hello gggggg! long time
- <gggggg> jl777: so its a trusted system.. entry and exit are traceable
- <jl777> teleport is not coinjoin at all
- <gggggg> yeah long time no see btw jl777 :-p
- <jl777> you are not needing to trust the creator of a telepod
- <jl777> now there are cloning events visible on the blockchain
- <jl777> however, it all traces back to the creator
- <jl777> so extraction from teleport system is another vulnerability,
- that is why we are making anon debit card, just send funds out to
- debit card
- <jl777> they can trace it to a debit card number, but nobody knows who
- has the debit card
- <jl777> alternatively you can sell it back to the original creator,
- this would create a transaction loop that goes back to the one that
- created it
- <gggggg> so, the transportation is for moving coins off the
- blockchain, and onto debit cards?
- <jl777> the people who had it during the loop are not linked
- <jl777> Imagine a poker game
- <jl777> you make chips (telepods)
- <4456456> But they must be linked if they want to spend on-chain, right ?
- <gggggg> yes
- <jl777> you are winning and losing chips and this is all happening off chain
- <jl777> you can spend a telepod without going on chain if you can find
- someone who will accept it!
- <jl777> I think this is the key, to create efficient offchain
- tradings, eg. gambling, market swaps, etc
- <gggggg> so there is the trick
- <jl777> of course eventually you will want to use it in the "real"
- crypto universe or even the "real" world, so there is the anon card
- for real world and tradebots for public crypto
- <4456456> jl777: imagine I want to use your telepod system to mask my
- transaction of BTC.
- <gggggg> use the pods for moving things out of chain, to be spendable
- on other places, debit cards etc... then when the coins are moved
- back, they belong to someone different
- <gggggg> correct*?
- <4456456> How is using your system different from me buying LTC,
- transacting on the LTC blockchain with someone, and that someone
- selling for BTC ?
- <jl777> it is different
- <jl777> let me try to explain
- <jl777> ok, currently when you spend it creates public record on the blockchain
- <jl777> the moment you spend
- <jl777> so this is subject to timing analysis
- <jl777> it is found out you sent X amount of BTC at noon
- <jl777> look on the blockchain and there is the X BTC at noon, so now
- we found out both your acct # and the destination acct#
- <jl777> teleport avoids this timing analysis attack
- <gggggg> because they will stay off the chain until someone brings
- them back, either the owner, or the new owner..
- <4456456> So, as a recipient, you can choose when to redeem, or
- alternatively respend it as teleport to someone else. Right ?
- <jl777> they are actually verified using the blockchain (other than
- trusted teleports) but there is no linkage of the cloned telepod to
- you
- <eee> i can see this working well with tumblers
- <jl777> yes! that's right. the timing of the public event (cloning) is
- up to the receiver. there is a clonesmear parameter that you set and
- it happens randomly in that timeframe
- <eee> ex a service that has a lot of btcd and acts as anonymization
- <jl777> yes
- <eee> it will be proprietery but it will be 100% anon
- <jl777> combining existing anon coins, mixers, etc. to fund the
- creation of the telepod is perfect!
- <eee> unless jl777 you ahve a plan to fix that?
- <jl777> even if it is unraveled, then all the clonings are private
- <4456456> jl777: how do you prevent double spending ? "handshakes"
- were mentioned.
- <jl777> I do have plans to improve the telepod creation with automated tradebots
- <jl777> well if the sender spends before the receiver clones, the
- receiver first off gets a bit upset, but more importantly just doesnt
- credit the acct. it is like writing a check to someone, then putting a
- stop payment. not nice, but no money lost
- <jl777> eee: anybody can create telepods, I think that makes it
- non-proprietary and decentralized
- <4456456> How so ? If you put a stop after taking whatever you were
- buying... Fail, no ?
- <eee> noice
- <jl777> 4456456: the seller should not deliver until all funds
- transferred. that is common sense isnt it?
- <gggggg> you need a mathematical proof to create money that depends on
- the original
- <jl777> or maybe partial delivery as the telepods are cloned
- <4456456> Funds transferred, here, meaning redeemed to the coin
- blockchain (eg, BTC) ?
- <jl777> gggggg: I think BTC blockchain is proof good enough for most people
- <gggggg> it still depends on trust
- <aaaaaa> Uh oh
- <jl777> 4456456: yes cloning transfers the value to 100% destination
- control, it is a public event on blockchain, but only links back all
- the way to the original creator, which maybe used mixers, etc
- <4456456> Then, imagine hte following scenario:
- <jl777> gggggg: where is the trust point?
- <4456456> Alice wants to buy something from Bob using your system, and BTC.
- <4456456> Alice makes a teleport payment to Bob. But Bob in turn
- decides not to redeem, but to keep this teleport for future reuse.
- <gggggg> when you take the coin of the block chain.. then either the
- reciever that your buying something from, or yourself can transfer the
- coin back into the chain... so i could in theory spend it before you
- do
- <4456456> So Bob gives this teleport to Charlie, etc.
- <4456456> Alice then has to wait for hte chain to finish before her
- payment is confirmed, and she can get whatever she was buying off Bob
- ?
- <jl777> 4456456: this is called trusted teleport, so if bob is going
- to trust alice to not double spend, then he needs to credit her when
- he decides to trust her
- <4456456> This is not allowed :p
- <jl777> trusted teleports are only for between people that trust each
- other and limited by amount of trust defined for each user
- <4456456> It has to not be based on "ok, I trust you won't double spend"
- <gggggg> so thats where the trust issue is
- <jl777> but trusted teleports are OPTIONAL
- <jl777> do you trust your family?
- <gggggg> so are you using group signatures for the trustless option?
- <jl777> does one group in a corporation trust another group?
- <4456456> So in order to use your system trustlessly, you can trade
- teleports ? You have to redeem at each step ?
- <4456456> I mean you can't, not you can, sorry.
- <jl777> 4456456: yes cloning each step for trustless
- <jl777> gggggg: higher authority to enforce things for trusted teleports
- <4456456> OK. So your claim for improvement in that case is just
- resistance to timing attacks, right ?
- <jl777> like CFO at company, smacks any guy that double spends intra
- company payment,
- <4456456> I mean resistance to correlation of payer/payee based on timing ?
- <gggggg> but, who is that higher authority then... the network?
- <jl777> 4456456: also resistant to packet monitoring via onion routing
- and M of N (254) shared secret fragments that are randomly routed or
- not routed
- <4456456> So, from now on I will only consider the case where you
- redeem without re-trading a teleport.
- <jl777> gggggg: if the two parties trust each other, they trust each
- other, this is not an issue. 90%+ of teleports are expected to be the
- trustless version
- <gggggg> yes, thats what i figured, but the part im having a hard time
- understanding is, who enforces the trustless version
- <jl777> yes cloning each time is the mainstream case, but the small
- number of trusted teleports makes it impossible to do much statistical
- correlations
- <4456456> In order for the BTC blockchain to be able to adjust the
- balances, there must be at least one transaction from the payer, and
- at least one transaction to the payee. Is that the case when using
- your system, or do you have a way out ?
- <jl777> gggggg: if johnny teleports to his sister and double spends,
- the mom punishes. higher authority is needed for trusted teleports.
- <gggggg> but who is that autority?
- <gggggg> the network, e specific node.. several nodes?
- <eee> escrow?
- <aaaaaa> I think trusted teleports arent very good. Would be hardly used
- <jl777> chaostec: if you teleport to me X and then double spend, then
- your honor is the authority
- <ccccc> jl777 Chaos is asking about the trustless i think
- <jl777> let us forget trusted teleports for now
- <gggggg> the trusted part i understand
- <jl777> the cloning validates the funds
- <jl777> now the receiver has 100% control
- <gggggg> its the trustless im having a hard time with
- <jl777> then credits the sender with whatever
- <jl777> So, let us pretend we are the attacker
- <jl777> What we see is a bunch of cloning events on the blockchain.
- <jl777> we trace it back to the creator, who is just some automated
- mixer service, or maybe you use Coinbase to send to your "transporter"
- account, so it comes from Coinbase big wallet
- <iiiii> nice
- <iiiii> i want some btcd hehe
- <4456456> You need to define what a cloning event is. A transaction ?
- <ikikik> ^
- <jl777> ideally it works with something like DRK to fund the intial
- telepod. BTCD is not aiming to replace any coin!!
- <jl777> teleport works in conjunction with all other coins and gains
- privacy by teleporting other coins
- <jl777> 4456456: yes cloning is a normal spend
- <gggggg> so, i create a pod lets for the sake of argument say, im
- transfering 1 bitcoin
- <gggggg> so, now i have the pod, with 1 bitcoin, and i send it to you
- <jl777> well not so fast
- <4456456> It is a spend from the payer's address (I assume) to what
- address on the blockchain ? A new one created for that purpose ? Or..
- ?
- <jl777> 4456456: one time addresses, one time keypairs, never reused
- <gggggg> and also i send it back to the bitcoin blockchain what would
- make sure i couldnt reintroduce the bitcoin into my wallet, while im
- paying you
- <4456456> That receiving address/key is created by... the payee ?
- <jl777> gggggg: if you double spend, then when I clone I get an error
- and dont credit you
- <jl777> 4456456: cloning is done by destination
- <gggggg> so, the transaction is written into btcds chain?
- <4456456> Sorry, I do not understand what you mean by this ?
- <jl777> BTC clonings are on BTC blockchain, DRK clonings on DRK blockchain, etc.
- <jl777> I think you need to read darkpaper first
- <4456456> Right. I assume we are using BTC in that example. Who
- creates that one time address ? The payee, the payer, or another party
- ?
- <jl777> cloning is done by the receiver, only they know the address
- and they dont even know until they start the cloning
- <jl777> so you wonder how does the telepod get from sender to destination?
- <4456456> No.
- <4456456> At hte moment, it looks very much like BTC.
- <4456456> I want to get paid, I generate an address, give it to you, you pay me.
- <jl777> by fully encryption and optionally fragmented M of N (254) onion routing
- <ikikik> >>[22:34] <jl777> I think you need to read darkpaper first<<
- <ikikik> i think all this talk is just fud
- <jl777> 4456456: well of course BTC telepods look a lot like BTC
- because it is BTC!
- <tesla666> jl777: this means the different blockchains will be flooded
- with clone transactions?
- <ikikik> i only watched btcd for 2 days and i understand it perfectly
- <jl777> ???????: if people are transacting in a currency that
- currencies blockchain is used
- <eee> please dont talk about anything other than btcd right now, there
- is no fud dev is just saying the facts
- <gggggg> ikikik: im really sorry you feel its fud, but i am REALLY
- trying to understand how the trustless part functions
- <4456456> So the remaining part is the clonesmear. I assume this is
- about the payee paying from that one time address to his/her main
- address (or wherever chosen) ?
- <Feedthemcake> So far all I'm seeing regarding BTCD is that JL777
- knows his shit and it's legitimate.
- <jl777> lets take a step back
- <eee> im going to put +m if dev cant answer all the questions
- <jl777> when teleport idea came to me, at first I thought it was too simple
- <jl777> if it worked why nobody else did it before?
- <fdgdgdfgdg5> reddit ama
- <jl777> after I start implementing, I realized it is quite complex for
- all the cases
- <jl777> so we imagine we are the attacker
- <zzzzz> where can i buy this shitcoin
- <jl777> what we have is a public record of all the clonings
- <fdgdgdfgdg5> https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-BTCD
- <jl777> we say, aha!, lets see who controls those accts
- <rrrr> lol zzzzz
- <4456456> This public record is the blockchain of the chain you're
- using, right ?
- <jl777> we then find out each acct was only ever used once and to just
- transfer the value to the next one
- <jl777> 4456456: yes of course, BTC cloning on BTC blockchain
- <fdgdgdfgdg5> zzzzz: https://nxtforum.org/lite-multigateway-releases/mgw-v1-4-4/
- <jl777> so, the attacker can trace all the way back to the creator of
- the telepod
- <jl777> this is where I think teleport can use the help of other anon coins
- <jl777> to fund the initial telepod, it is a public thing, but if that
- was already anon via mixer or DRK or XMR, it is even better
- <jl777> ok back to attacker
- <jl777> he traces back all the tx to the creator and ends up in dead
- end of mixer, coinbase, some XMR or DRK xfer, etc.
- <jl777> lets try something else
- <jl777> we now go back to the list of cloning events
- <zzzzdddz> eee, /mode #CryptoTA +q *!*@*666666
- <jl777> however we have to look at all blockchains! as you can use
- InstantDEX to swap telepods from one currency to another
- <jl777> still we are determined attacker, now we have all the
- different coins cloning events
- <4456456> But this is a part that needs trust, right ?
- <eee> zzzzdddz, thanks
- <jl777> we now somehow find out you did a tx at noon
- <uuuu> ./mode -q eee
- <jl777> so we just go to the matrix of cloning events we made and go
- to noon, except we dont know what clonesmear time you used, so we have
- to guess as to how wide a window to look at
- <eee> let the dev talk please, if i see a fudder ill quiet him
- <jl777> the anon set is all the cloning events for all the coins for
- the clonesmear time (that is unknown to the attacker)
- <jl777> if the clonesmear time is one hour (I use that for default)
- then as overall teleporting increases, the anon set keeps increasing!
- <oooooo> 4456456: theres is a trustless and a trusted teleporting -
- i.e. take a 0 conf btc transaction or a 10 conf btc transaction
- <jl777> this is for receiver
- <jl777> for the sender it is even better!
- <jl777> you can age a telepod. This is time from cloning and the older
- it is the more private because the anon set is from the time of
- cloning to the time the destination clones
- <jl777> after a few generations of teleports there is extreme doubt as
- to who controls any given teleopod, so tracing back becomes harder and
- harder
- <jl777> just to make the attacker quit his job for the private sector,
- we toss in <10% trusted teleports
- <4456456> Do you agree that it is fair to ignore Tor, or debit cards,
- etc, since they're outside your teleport system ?
- <jl777> we are assuming trusted teleports are small minority and only
- among people that trust each other. The purpose of this is to add
- uncertainity to WHERE the telepod is. We not only dont know who has
- the telepod, with trusted teleports we dont even know where it is
- <oooooo> jl777: could you try to explain what you mean with aging
- telepods? why does it make the transaction more private?
- <rrrr> how do you intend on converting between the teleported coins?
- <jl777> so even a small amount of trusted teleports makes a
- mathematical model very hard to make, I cant think of how
- <jl777> rrrr: using InstantDEX peer to peer exchanging for trading
- telepods, probably need to do it using subatomic trades that are
- synchronized overlapped micropayment channels, or at least something
- like that
- <jl777> guest___: if you just clone a telepod and dont use it for 4
- months and then send it, how is the attacker going to correlate that
- to you? The anon set is all clonings for 4 months, isnt it?
- <rrrr> never heard of intantdex before. looking into it now...
- <jl777> rrrr: it is not done yet, will be part of supernetwork
- <oooooo> jl777: ah ok i understand what you mean
- <jl777> I am wanting to revenue share with all other coins that join
- supernetwork so everybody can get part of trading commissions
- <4456456> The clone action is a transaction from your BTC address to a
- one time BTC address, right ? Then it is trivially linkable to you.
- <gggggg> jl777: so if i understand it correctly, i transfer 1 bitcoin
- (or whatever coin) to an exchanging host (dont know what to call them)
- they hold the btc with multisig, and holds one of the keys, while to
- pod holds the other key, and that key is moved along with the pod?
- <jl777> instead of using centralized MtGox, etc., we can all trade
- among ourselves directly and cut fees way down
- <rrrr> dont say the G word, man
- <vvvvvv> g word?
- <vvvvvv> hue
- <true_capitalist> so are you telling me its just another shitcoin?
- <vvvvvv> oh gox
- <rrrr> :(
- <vvvvvv> mount gox
- <jl777> 4456456: it is from a telepod address to a telepod address,
- how do you link it to me?
- <vvvvvv> lelelel
- <jl777> it goes back to the creator of the telepod
- <jl777> not me
- <4456456> You had not defined telepod addresses before. A clone event
- was on the blockchain, I thought you'd said ?
- <bbbbbb_> ok I'm sold buying in now
- <rrrr> but how do you deal with exchange rate volatility?
- <mmmmmmm> jl777: If it is the initial transfer from transporter to
- telepod it is traceable
- <oooooo> ( the darkpaper has nearly 50 pages )
- <jl777> mmmmm: yes the injection into teleport economy is traceable
- and all clonings trace back to that address
- <pppppppp> My app has over 9000 code lines
- <pppppppp> Doesn't make it nice though
- <jl777> so I think most people wont be creating telepods due to the risk
- <jl777> once you get a telepod though, it will be linked to someone
- else, so you have privacy
- <jl777> think of it like this
- <jl777> if you go to airport, then there is all the id, passport,
- cavity search, confiscating the dangerous bottle of water, etc.
- <jl777> also same on exiting from the airport, with customs, etc.
- <jl777> this cannot be avoided and it is the same for using public blockchain
- <jl777> so what if midflight, you can teleport in and out of the airplane?
- <jl777> as many times as you want?
- <h6h6h6> to diferent planes?
- <bbbbbb_> ^ to the moon idiot
- <4456456> :D
- <oooooo> lol
- <gggggg> jl777: so the coin is held as a form of escrow.. but who owns
- the right to the coin is untraceable, since you cannot link the coin
- to the pod.. am i correct?
- <aaaaaa> Will it be first class? Or economy?
- <jl777> some hired guy goes through all the security, but during the
- flight, all sorts of teleporting can happen
- <ghjghjggg> Lol
- <jl777> gggggg: you are understanding
- <jl777> blockchain is used to confirm payment and prevent double spend
- <jl777> at least double spend is detected before crediting acct, so just as good
- <jl777> the creator of telepod is linked, but all subsequent tx is private
- <jl777> teleport needs other anon coins to seed the telepods!
- <gggggg> jl777: i can see the idea now, cool but where do you register
- the owner of a pod, in bctds blockchain, or as a simple string of bits
- send between clients?
- <aaaaaa> Will it be first class? Or economy?
- <jl777> some hired guy goes through all the security, but during the
- flight, all sorts of teleporting can happen
- <gghjghj> Lol
- <jl777> gggggg: you are understanding
- <jl777> blockchain is used to confirm payment and prevent double spend
- <jl777> at least double spend is detected before crediting acct, so just as good
- <jl777> the creator of telepod is linked, but all subsequent tx is private
- <jl777> teleport needs other anon coins to seed the telepods!
- <gggggg> jl777: i can see the idea now, cool but where do you register
- the owner of a pod, in bctds blockchain, or as a simple string of bits
- send between clients?
- <quuuu> is there someone that had a bad day? you can instatly feel you
- better! i have a bad year lost my wallet: jjjjjjjjjjjjjjj -_-
- <jl777> if the guy going through the airport is anon, then that would be great
- <Feedthemcake> JL777...this is pretty good
- <mmmmmmm> jl777: yes but who are we getting the pods from? it is only
- anonymous while someone leaves the pods in hyperspace, they cannot
- easily withdraw to a wallet without being linked
- <jl777> gggggg: there is also no permanent blockchain that is
- vulnerable to Quantum Computers from the future
- <mmmmmmm> it is the same as just getting BTC sent to a wallet you have not used
- <jl777> mmmm: I am working to make it easy to withdraw to anon debit card
- <rrrr> so, if you use other anon coins
- <ccccc> jl777 several times you have mentioned that it will not be
- attractive to create telepods.under what circumstances do u see
- creation as attractive / safe, and won' there be a bit of a market for
- these telepods?
- <jl777> then you can get cash from ATM
- <rrrr> why not just use an anon coin in the first place?
- <gggggg> basically your trading 1 of 2 keys for the escrowed coin
- <gggggg> and the current holder can take the coin out of escrow
- <jl777> maybe it is easy to crack all the anon tx, maybe not, but with
- teleport there is no permanent record, at least it all goes back to
- the telepod creator
- <oooooo> basicly like a vpn?
- <jl777> gggggg: something like that, the strength of teleport is the
- anon set grows with network activity. not fixed like others, so as
- overall activity grows anon level grows
- <jl777> this is why I want to work with all other coins!
- <jl777> the enemy is not each other, it is the existing fiat guys
- <aaaaaa> So what incentive do I have to be telepod creator?
- <gggggg> see, now i get it :-p
- <oooooo> aaaaaa: i guess you will be able to sell them?
- <jl777> by combining all our anon tx together into one giant
- supernetwork, within months it will be impossible for any govt to ever
- unravel things
- <jl777> ikikik: I have lab tests working, I am finalizing the accounting
- <jl777> there is one way the govt can deanonymize teleports
- <ikikik> nice ! looks like daddy gets new xmas toys :D
- <jl777> it is with massive simultaneous confiscation of all teleport
- nodes, globally
- <aaaaaa> How
- <gggggg> jl777: hehe sometimes things comes to you and the strangest
- moments... good thinking, and im looking forward to seeing it in
- action :-p
- <gggggg> and=at
- <aaaaaa> You cant take my nodes
- <aaaaaa> There my nodes
- <rrrr> lol
- <mmmmmmm> jl777: is there anyway for transporters to be reused? to
- mask the originator identity
- <aaaaaa> And you have to find me first
- <jl777> there is not blockchain, but each computer has a
- "privatechain" of all his tx, so if govt can get all the computers and
- crack the encrypted files they can recreate the entire blockchain
- <ikikik> GL with that
- <gggggg> jl777: look at mmmmmmm's comment, might be a good idea
- <jl777> gggggg: thanks! I dont want to be enemy of DRK or any coin, we
- work together, everybody wins
- <aaaaaa> That sounds fun
- <gggggg> jl777: i never see anyone as enemy, i see everyone trying to
- do something different, and the best ideas will go forward..
- <jl777> mmmm: reusing transporters would require trusting, but a group
- of people that trust each other could share a single transporter
- address!
- <gggggg> its the only healthy way to get digital coins to go forward
- <aaaaaa> But what if the popo come around to all of our houses and
- uninstall our btcd wallets?
- <jl777> I am just one guy who got lucky with idea and I hope to get
- many helps to make it better
- <gggggg> so now i also know why your been so busy lol
- <jl777> I will be offering revenue sharing to people so not just
- from altruism, but also you can make some money
- <jl777> the creation of telepods is definitely a business
- opportunity for some people
- <sss> +jl777 were gonna get everyone here to start buying your coin
- <jl777> I also make tradebots, which os
- <jl777> +-9/*/-
- <eee> sss, do not impersonate me please :)
- <jl777> sorry keyboardbattery died
- <tttttt> jl777: have you been able to do any work with the crypti team yet?
- <sss> what im the real eee
- <gggggg> lol jl777 been there
- <xxxxx> Yo Jl777 i got my coins from cryptsy! finally
- <gggggg> jl777: ill be checking in on you from time to time... :-p
- <ccccc> big thx to xxcv, xcvxcv and jl777 for a good convo!
- <jl777> i make turing complete tradebots that can run scripts
- written in C, so you can do crossmarket arbitrage, telepod trading,
- well anything as it is turing complete
- >jl777< tell me if you are done explaining ill publish this convo in
- a pastebin on twitter
- <eee> check pm jl777
- <4456456> Indeed, thanks for chatting here with us. I will read the dark paper
- <jl777> thank you for being of open minds! I need to get batteries,
- this old keyboard is horrible
- <gggggg> just needed to understand his thinking, its always better
- to understand the thinking, because then you understand the
- implementation
- <eee> thank you for joining us jl777 !
- <gggggg> awesome evening guys/gals
- <gggggg> :-p
- <jl777> ok, now i gofinish the accounting stuff
- <jl777> bye
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