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- May 03 18:28:14 <mogonzo> http://pastebin.com/tH1AG8jM |
- May 03 18:28:18 <mogonzo> ^briefing on structure
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- May 03 18:28:25 <mogonzo> Conduct during the meeting:
- May 03 18:28:25 <mogonzo> 1. The moderator has authority on who has the floor.
- May 03 18:28:25 <mogonzo> 2. Do not interrupt people who have the floor.
- May 03 18:28:25 <mogonzo> 3. Please attempt to pre-prepare your statements ahead of time in a notepad for speedy debate.
- May 03 18:28:34 <mogonzo> WhiteCoin meeting agenda
- May 03 18:28:34 <mogonzo> 1. Vote for this meeting's minutes/logs to be made public with security information redacted.
- May 03 18:28:34 <mogonzo> 2. Delegation of PR Responsibilities
- May 03 18:28:34 <mogonzo> 3. foundation website & logo
- May 03 18:28:34 <mogonzo> 4. Accounting of costs.
- May 03 18:28:34 <mogonzo> 5. Fund raising methods
- May 03 18:28:34 <mogonzo> 6. Agreeing on time of full team meeting
- May 03 18:34:21 <mogonzo> 7. Any side conversations are to be taken to PM
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- May 03 18:34:31 <mogonzo> 1. Vote for this meeting's minutes/logs to be made public with security information redacted.
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- May 03 18:34:47 <mogonzo> I believe this is essential for transparency, thus I vote: Y
- May 03 18:34:54 <LynchyAU> y
- May 03 18:35:02 <mogonzo> table is open for 2 mins of debate if there are concerns
- May 03 18:35:02 <mindfox y
- May 03 18:35:08 <mogonzo> otherwise case your vote now
- May 03 18:35:12 <cryptowest y
- May 03 18:35:23 <Oizopower> y
- May 03 18:35:24 <Xip> y
- May 03 18:35:39 <asoom> yes
- May 03 18:35:42 <mogonzo> motion carried
- May 03 18:36:02 <asoom> just one thing we all go over whats redacted fair?
- May 03 18:36:03 <mogonzo> if anyone needs security information redacted form this log, please PM me
- May 03 18:36:10 <asoom> to make sure
- May 03 18:36:12 <mogonzo> yes
- May 03 18:36:16 <asoom> ok good
- May 03 18:36:24 <mindfox_ can we define the "security information"?
- May 03 18:36:24 <mogonzo> I believe we should of course redact any information that relates to our security procedures if they come up
- May 03 18:36:32 <mindfox_ ah
- May 03 18:36:34 <mindfox_ ty
- May 03 18:36:41 <mogonzo> network information, individuals who hold various accounts, where they may be
- May 03 18:36:46 <mogonzo> etc
- May 03 18:36:47 <litepresence> ..
- May 03 18:36:50 <mindfox_ yes, understood :)
- May 03 18:36:52 <mogonzo> anything that could give anyone an edge to compromise us
- May 03 18:37:04 <mogonzo> otherwise, I am open to a submotion, if anyone would like to present it
- May 03 18:37:07 <asoom> litepresence majority house moved on without your vote lol
- May 03 18:37:13 <mogonzo> where individuals may request their nic be redacted from the log
- May 03 18:37:19 <Xip> naturally any personal information or otherwise sensitive information that you do not wish to share can be redacted
- May 03 18:37:26 <mogonzo> I agree with this
- May 03 18:37:37 <mogonzo> are there any objections?
- May 03 18:37:39 <Oizopower> yeah thats good
- May 03 18:37:45 <asoom> fine with me
- May 03 18:37:57 <mogonzo> excellent, this issue closes for discussion in 30 seconds
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- May 03 18:38:14 <mogonzo> 2. Delegation of PR Responsibilities
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- May 03 18:38:17 <Oizopower> Just be as transparent as we can
- May 03 18:38:24 <mogonzo> agree
- May 03 18:38:27 <mogonzo> 2. Short Term Delegation of PR Responsibilities
- May 03 18:38:27 <mogonzo> A) Twitter: We need a trusted point person with the password
- May 03 18:38:49 <asoom> I have managed twitter accounts but probably need someone to help with material
- May 03 18:38:54 <mogonzo> Floor is now open for volunteers and nominations, I feel that [redacted] would be great at this
- May 03 18:39:03 <mogonzo> [redacted]
- May 03 18:39:11 <asoom> check [redacted] i managed this one for a while but recently stopped
- May 03 18:39:11 <mogonzo> would anyone like to assist with [redacted] on this?
- May 03 18:39:18 <mogonzo> cool
- May 03 18:39:26 <mogonzo> I can give you some good guidance on how to easily generate content as well
- May 03 18:39:33 <mogonzo> and increase our audience, which much be a very high priority
- May 03 18:39:44 <mogonzo> works for me
- May 03 18:39:45 <litepresence> we need a goal of 1000 retweets / tweets daily from our community "#WhiteCoin" we're currently at about 250 I'll help w/ content and contacts
- May 03 18:39:52 <asoom> good LP
- May 03 18:39:57 <asoom> thats what im looking for
- May 03 18:39:59 <asoom> :)
- May 03 18:40:04 <mogonzo> I would request that [redacted] provide a heads up on content in here before you post (espcially when scheduling many tweets via hootsuite)
- May 03 18:40:05 <mogonzo> with the channel
- May 03 18:40:12 <mogonzo> awesome
- May 03 18:40:21 <mogonzo> unless there are any other comments or volunteers
- May 03 18:40:29 <mogonzo> I feel we can proceed on this one :)
- May 03 18:40:33 <asoom> im sure its fine lets move on
- May 03 18:40:44 <mogonzo> B) Bitcointalk: We need a point person with yinyangteam and a new WhiteCoinFoundation account
- May 03 18:40:53 <mogonzo> any volunteers?
- May 03 18:41:09 <asoom> [redacted] are you wanting that job for the WCF account?
- May 03 18:41:16 <asoom> I know he is very good with forums
- May 03 18:41:28 <asoom> but wont ask if he doesn't want to
- May 03 18:41:32 <mogonzo> :P
- May 03 18:41:44 <litepresence> I really can't commit to any "job" I'm here to help
- May 03 18:41:46 <cryptowest> ill just help make sure the coin works. i gotta get some sleep :P
- May 03 18:41:52 <mogonzo> hah
- May 03 18:41:55 <mogonzo> good night CW
- May 03 18:41:59 <mogonzo> thanks again for everything
- May 03 18:42:03 <cryptowest> <3
- May 03 18:42:05 <mogonzo> everyone please give this man a round of applause
- May 03 18:42:06 <litepresence> <3
- May 03 18:42:07 <mogonzo> <3
- May 03 18:42:08 <Oizopower> nn west
- May 03 18:42:10 <asoom> :)
- May 03 18:42:16 <LynchyAU> :)
- May 03 18:42:19 <Oizopower> <3 + 1
- May 03 18:42:28 <cryptowest> lol
- May 03 18:42:31 <mogonzo> :D
- May 03 18:42:35 <asoom> [redacted] regarding BCT accounts how you feel about those?
- May 03 18:42:53 <mindfox> ty west.
- May 03 18:43:02 <litepresence> [redacted] need to get together daily on a "twitter" level. We need a daily feed... 24/7 If we could get an [redacted] partner that would be great
- May 03 18:43:04 <LynchyAU> I would rather step aside now that the project has been completed
- May 03 18:43:04 <mogonzo> we need backup on this I can only be around so often
- May 03 18:43:17 <Oizopower> Well im not good with long English texts, it contains a lot of grammar errors hehe, i'll help where i can
- May 03 18:43:17 <mogonzo> no problem
- May 03 18:43:30 <mogonzo> Oiz: perhaps yo ucould work with a team
- May 03 18:43:38 <mogonzo> and be the trusted person who posts the final drafts for us?
- May 03 18:43:41 <asoom> LP thinking same
- May 03 18:43:49 <mogonzo> the idea is that our point people will have support via #wc-pr
- May 03 18:43:59 <mogonzo> split up the work and the content creation
- May 03 18:44:03 <mogonzo> fact check each other, etc
- May 03 18:44:21 <mogonzo> then point people post... in the end the position is mostly about trust and judging the content you're being given
- May 03 18:45:39 <mogonzo> if there are no volunteers in here
- May 03 18:45:40 <mogonzo> that is fine
- May 03 18:45:45 <Oizopower> I'm okay with the twitter posting etc.. but i'm not really a forum guy
- May 03 18:45:45 <mogonzo> but we all need to start looking
- May 03 18:45:48 <mogonzo> [redacted] comes to mind
- May 03 18:45:54 <mogonzo> kk
- May 03 18:45:55 <Oizopower> i'm willing to help where i can on BCT
- May 03 18:46:02 <mogonzo> Oiz assist with asoom on twitter :)
- May 03 18:46:03 <LynchyAU> [redacted] comes to mind for me tbh
- May 03 18:46:22 <Xip> At this point, for me personally: the work with the site, updating it, organizing our own forums etc. will be enough for me at this point in time. I will of course help as I can with anything.
- May 03 18:46:28 <mindfox> asoom: is it needed to get into another coin's business?
- May 03 18:46:49 <mogonzo> do we have a volunteer for bitcointalk point person?
- May 03 18:46:50 <litepresence> [redacted] you are point of contact for WhiteCoinfoundattion.org?
- May 03 18:47:26 <Xip> litepresence: Yes. [redacted] is the point of contact anything regarding WhiteCoinfoundation.org as of now.
- May 03 18:47:33 <mogonzo> :)
- May 03 18:47:48 <mogonzo> I thought I saw a volunteer but lots of side discussion here
- May 03 18:47:56 <mogonzo> can anyone be a short term point person? I can only post so much tonight
- May 03 18:48:04 <mogonzo> just in case the group comes up with a needed statement
- May 03 18:48:05 <LynchyAU> I suggested cryptoseo... not sure if you saw that
- May 03 18:48:09 <mogonzo> ahh kk
- May 03 18:48:13 <Oizopower> cryptseo is really committed
- May 03 18:48:14 <mogonzo> alright let's close that matter
- May 03 18:48:17 <mogonzo> yes he is
- May 03 18:48:24 <mogonzo> kk
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- May 03 18:48:32 <mogonzo> 3. foundation website & logo
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- May 03 18:48:32 <mogonzo> A) Xip would you please present the link and how you'd like the website promoted for the first 24 hours?
- May 03 18:49:07 <Oizopower> i can help with the website >> web developer / programmer / system administrator / team manager by daily job
- May 03 18:49:08 <mogonzo> naturally it's here now since I wrote that copypaste: WhiteCoinfoundation.org
- May 03 18:49:12 <Xip> http://www.WhiteCoinfoundation.org [usr/pw WhiteCoin/peace]
- May 03 18:49:17 <mogonzo> Oiz Xip has the floor now
- May 03 18:49:21 <mogonzo> but thank you :)
- May 03 18:49:24 <litepresence> re: bitcointalk WhiteCoinfoundation.org needs links to our most important threads. I'm usually a great "forum" guy and I've created tons of forum content. Frankly I don't know enough about WhiteCoin to produce content about it. If someone produces content... I would certainly review and add color an flavor; highlighting and formatting for BB.
- May 03 18:49:27 <Oizopower> ow sry
- May 03 18:49:41 <mogonzo> litepresence: please do not divert from the agenda we need to get through this meeting quickly
- May 03 18:49:47 <mogonzo> tthat is something for the PR group and team that wil handle bitcointalk
- May 03 18:49:52 <mogonzo> Xip, sorry, please continue
- May 03 18:50:19 <mogonzo> or if you'd like me to talk it up and offer some thoughts, that's no prob too :)
- May 03 18:50:32 <Xip> mogonzo: Do you have anything in mind?
- May 03 18:50:43 <mogonzo> I think we need to do this as a "grand unveiling"
- May 03 18:50:47 <mogonzo> for community consult
- May 03 18:50:54 <mogonzo> (basically for cheering, heh)
- May 03 18:51:06 <mogonzo> we drop hints that something really big is about to be release that has nothing to do with the wallet
- May 03 18:51:12 <mogonzo> twitter, bitcointalk
- May 03 18:51:13 <mogonzo> IRC
- May 03 18:51:21 <mogonzo> all of us just kidn of work to create a little buzz
- May 03 18:51:28 <mogonzo> then, like lifting a curtain, we open the site on bitcointalk
- May 03 18:51:32 <mogonzo> tweet the shit out of it
- May 03 18:51:44 <mogonzo> and I'm thinking a countdown to the unveiling in #WhiteCoinfoundation
- May 03 18:51:46 <Oizopower> won't people be disappointed then? :P
- May 03 18:51:49 <mogonzo> get people really jazzed up
- May 03 18:51:55 <mogonzo> uhh... wah?
- May 03 18:52:16 <mogonzo> are you kidding. I mean I think this logo especially, this is a totally unique and ground breaking logo for crypto
- May 03 18:52:17 <asoom> deadlines should be exact are you sure we can deliver?
- May 03 18:52:28 <mogonzo> we'd be unveiling the sneak peak
- May 03 18:52:31 <asoom> oh
- May 03 18:52:32 <asoom> i see
- May 03 18:52:33 <asoom> ok
- May 03 18:52:33 <LynchyAU> what logo are we referring to?
- May 03 18:52:34 <mogonzo> and asking for community consult
- May 03 18:52:37 <Oizopower> that's true, got a poiint there
- May 03 18:52:40 <asoom> can someone post the logo
- May 03 18:52:40 <mogonzo> the energy ball on the website
- May 03 18:52:43 <asoom> for lynch
- May 03 18:52:51 <mogonzo> http://www.WhiteCoinfoundation.org/images/WhiteCoin_logo_sizes.png
- May 03 18:53:04 <LynchyAU> asks for user/pass
- May 03 18:53:05 <mogonzo> anyone caught sharing this outside the group before release will not be welcome back
- May 03 18:53:10 <Oizopower> usr/pw WhiteCoin/peace]
- May 03 18:53:10 <Xip> Again the site concept here: http://www.WhiteCoinfoundation.org [usr/pw WhiteCoin/peace]
- May 03 18:53:21 <LynchyAU> k
- May 03 18:53:37 <LynchyAU> nice
- May 03 18:53:42 <mogonzo> I know right
- May 03 18:53:49 <mogonzo> I think people are going to fucking love it myself
- May 03 18:53:52 <mogonzo> it's totally different
- May 03 18:54:07 <mogonzo> like imagine that energy ball as our little logo next to all the markets
- May 03 18:54:18 <mogonzo> and it captures the energy felt by our community perfectly
- May 03 18:54:52 <Oizopower> mint some coins from that one :)
- May 03 18:54:55 <mogonzo> :D
- May 03 18:54:59 <litepresence> http://imgur.com/IfVOK66 Lynchy
- May 03 18:55:24 <mogonzo> okay we're getting into a time heavy situation here
- May 03 18:55:26 <LynchyAU> its k dude saw it on website
- May 03 18:55:36 <mogonzo> are there any other comments or suggestions here on this proposed approach?
- May 03 18:56:04 <mindfox> regarding the page or the content?
- May 03 18:56:17 <mogonzo> both, the new logo and the general concept page
- May 03 18:56:24 <mogonzo> as Xip has said, the page is not a finished project
- May 03 18:56:38 <mogonzo> and I'm thinking we consult on the community as to what the taglines should be and what else we put on the website, etc
- May 03 18:56:57 <litepresence> can we discuss some of that now? I have some suggestions
- May 03 18:57:13 <mogonzo> for layout or concept, unless it's anything critical
- May 03 18:57:16 <mogonzo> imo it should wait
- May 03 18:57:21 <mogonzo> the more we have people discussing it in the open, the better
- May 03 18:57:31 <mogonzo> like it will help us for you to share your ideas in public constructively, I mean :)
- May 03 18:57:44 <mogonzo> right now I think this conversation is about:
- May 03 18:57:53 <mogonzo> 1. are there any serious objections to this logo and site
- May 03 18:58:04 <mogonzo> 2. Are there any additional ideas or thoughts on how we unveil and promote it
- May 03 18:58:09 <Xip> Most of the site is done, but we will need tons of content to make it a complete site.
- May 03 18:58:11 <mogonzo> 3. Then we vote to carry forward the rought plan as proposed
- May 03 18:58:50 <litepresence> Re: content Xip send me pm later... I have a a multitude of thoughts
- May 03 18:58:54 <mogonzo> :D
- May 03 18:59:00 <Xip> The reason I pulled the W out and didn't turn it into a traditional coin design is because it's not a traditional coin. It's digital cash. Energy essentially.
- May 03 18:59:18 <asoom> mogonzo, no disrespect but if we are claiming to be community oriented then why not let community choose logo and hold a contest for say 100k WC or something lol
- May 03 18:59:21 <mogonzo> I"m not trying to discourage teamwork on this, just want to get through our agenda items
- May 03 18:59:38 <Oizopower> RE: if deadline is in stake, you can message me as well to help build what you have in mind. because we are in diff timezones ;)
- May 03 18:59:59 <mogonzo> asoom none taken
- May 03 19:00:11 <mogonzo> the idea is we're presenting this as a community consult
- May 03 19:00:22 <mogonzo> I personally don't think a contest is the way to go because we have too mahy other expenses
- May 03 19:00:22 <Oizopower> what about Lady... logo's ?
- May 03 19:00:27 <Oizopower> anyone looked at those?
- May 03 19:00:28 <Xip> asoom: If anyone has any objections on this vision, idea or concept we will naturally listen to the community.
- May 03 19:00:29 <mogonzo> lady's are nice but really, this is way better
- May 03 19:00:34 <mogonzo> lady's are awesome and she is great
- May 03 19:00:40 <mogonzo> but this is revolutionary imo
- May 03 19:00:46 <mogonzo> exactly
- May 03 19:00:55 <mogonzo> we're being community driven by unveiling this as a concept6 for community consult
- May 03 19:01:00 <asoom> i like xips
- May 03 19:01:04 <asoom> but still i want poll
- May 03 19:01:34 <mogonzo> she's an excellent contributor to this community and gets people jazzed up, so let's just make sure we don't needless shit on good faith effort :)
- May 03 19:01:43 <mogonzo> let's all give lady some <3's
- May 03 19:01:50 <mogonzo> <3 <3 :D
- May 03 19:01:51 <Oizopower> http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag362/CutePandaBear/WhiteCoinLogoStyle10v40_zpsc3e19afb.png
- May 03 19:01:53 <Oizopower> ;)
- May 03 19:01:55 <Oizopower> <3
- May 03 19:01:57 <OdinYggd> I'd rather have lady's conversation and community participation than some trolls we've had.
- May 03 19:01:57 <asoom> i like her <3 but still i think better professional logo is needed
- May 03 19:02:02 <mogonzo> agree
- May 03 19:02:06 <mogonzo> okay
- May 03 19:02:15 <OdinYggd> Lets try not to burn our bridges. The TF2 thing is going to be an eyesore for some time, we need to take care not to provoke that matter
- May 03 19:02:16 <mogonzo> so is everyone happy with this community consult approach?
- May 03 19:02:26 <Xip> asoom: We don't need a poll, we just need to get it out there and say this is WhiteCoin now. If the community in majority, hate this idea, they can just tell us and we'll take another look and see if we can rethink.
- May 03 19:02:35 <mogonzo> exactly
- May 03 19:02:42 <asoom> ok
- May 03 19:02:50 <mogonzo> I think we need to close the floor for comments now unless anyone has a quick last statement
- May 03 19:02:50 <OdinYggd> Just having the minutes of this first meeting is going to help a lot. People can go wow, these guys are for real.
- May 03 19:03:03 <mogonzo> and then we should vote on taking the community consult approach, and working with the PR group to promote it
- May 03 19:03:09 <mogonzo> exactly
- May 03 19:03:45 <mogonzo> votes are now open on this, I vote Y
- May 03 19:03:47 <Xip> Well basically, about the release of the site or so. Why not just let the username and password hide in here in this log?
- May 03 19:03:52 <Xip> And we'll see if someone find it ;-)
- May 03 19:04:05 <mogonzo> ohh that's an interesting idea
- May 03 19:04:15 <Xip> Hello log reader!
- May 03 19:04:16 <mogonzo> a great way to build some buzz before we actually do the countdown and remove the password
- May 03 19:04:17 <mogonzo> love it
- May 03 19:04:25 <mogonzo> HELLLO LOG READER YOU JUST FOUND AN E_ASTER EGG!
- May 03 19:04:33 <Oizopower> rofl
- May 03 19:04:36 <mogonzo> okay everyone
- May 03 19:04:37 <mogonzo> vote time
- May 03 19:04:41 <mogonzo> Y
- May 03 19:04:48 <Xip> y
- May 03 19:04:52 <Oizopower> y
- May 03 19:05:08 <mogonzo> (again to clarify, this is voting on a community consult approach to unveiling xip's website)
- May 03 19:05:19 <mogonzo> voting will close in 1 minute
- May 03 19:05:24 <litepresence> I have to say there is part of me that see's the "community driven" approach moosa was suggesting of contest and voting on coin design
- May 03 19:05:32 <mogonzo> I like that too
- May 03 19:05:33 <Xip> (..and if NO ONE reads this log and leaks the password and such eventually we'll publish it anyway of course..)
- May 03 19:05:36 <mogonzo> but we have budget constraints
- May 03 19:05:42 <mogonzo> haha naturally xip
- May 03 19:05:45 <mindfox> y
- May 03 19:05:54 <Oizopower> lol Xip
- May 03 19:05:57 <mogonzo> I think we can have contests, but once we can afford it, that is something I really want to do tho
- May 03 19:06:02 <litepresence> it doesn't have to have a "reward" beyond simply having been the designer
- May 03 19:06:15 <litepresence> I don't think Lady was looking for $$ so much as recognition
- May 03 19:06:15 <mogonzo> I really like it in concept
- May 03 19:06:22 <mogonzo> but my biggest concern is logistically organizing it
- May 03 19:06:26 <mogonzo> it means reviewing tonnes of submissions
- May 03 19:06:30 <LynchyAU> I believe a logo that someone has created being represented by this community is reward enough
- May 03 19:06:33 <LynchyAU> that is my belief
- May 03 19:06:34 <mogonzo> maybe one day we'll do a logo update
- May 03 19:06:44 <mogonzo> as do I
- May 03 19:06:49 <mogonzo> which is why we're presenting this to the community
- May 03 19:06:54 <mogonzo> but we're also just over a crisis
- May 03 19:06:59 <mogonzo> and WhiteCoin needs to assert itself
- May 03 19:07:04 <mogonzo> we can't bite off more than we can chew
- May 03 19:07:09 <mogonzo> let me tell you, bounty reviewing isn't easy
- May 03 19:07:14 <mogonzo> I helped with it for rubycoin
- May 03 19:07:25 <OdinYggd> As it is we only narrowly avoided a bounty despite over the wallet
- May 03 19:07:27 <mogonzo> it took me like 15 hours to properly review all the submissions
- May 03 19:07:34 <mogonzo> exactly
- May 03 19:07:37 <mogonzo> bounties cause division
- May 03 19:07:43 <litepresence> I never suggested bounty I suggested contest w/ voting. Setting up a forum thread to vote on image submissions isn't difficult
- May 03 19:07:45 <mogonzo> this is clear action, and it's extremely high quality work
- May 03 19:07:53 <Xip> Well anyway, we'll get to that if the community would truly want us to go ahead with any changes
- May 03 19:07:54 <mogonzo> votes can be manipulated by bots
- May 03 19:08:04 <mogonzo> we'll be able to gage community consensus
- May 03 19:08:08 <mogonzo> let me ask everyone this
- May 03 19:08:16 <mogonzo> if we present this as look: tell us what you think
- May 03 19:08:23 <mogonzo> do you honestly believe people won't love it?
- May 03 19:08:23 <litepresence> If I'm the only one holding it up I'll abstain
- May 03 19:08:32 <mogonzo> you don't need to abstain :)
- May 03 19:08:47 <mogonzo> this is meant to be a platform for us all to express our opinions to make effective decisions
- May 03 19:08:56 <mogonzo> I might disagree with you, but your point of view is essential to the process
- May 03 19:09:01 <Oizopower> it's good to talk about it.
- May 03 19:09:09 <Oizopower> it will be the new face of WC
- May 03 19:09:10 <mogonzo> so by all means if you're an N don't feel like you can't vote that way because I vote Y
- May 03 19:09:17 <mogonzo> exactly
- May 03 19:09:27 <mogonzo> the approach we're voting on here is to ask the community if the like this
- May 03 19:09:44 <Oizopower> ok
- May 03 19:09:45 <mogonzo> it's an efficient compromise between community consult, and taking decisive action when the coin needs it imo
- May 03 19:09:55 <mogonzo> now we're way over schedule on this
- May 03 19:10:00 <Oizopower> =]
- May 03 19:10:11 <mogonzo> let's conclude this vote, if there are sufficient N's
- May 03 19:10:16 <mogonzo> we can allocate more time at the end of the meeting
- May 03 19:10:32 <mogonzo> as it stands I believe we have 4 Y's?
- May 03 19:10:55 <Xip> Right seems, so let's continue
- May 03 19:11:15 <mogonzo> I see no N's which means this motion carries and is not on the docket for discussion at meeting's end
- May 03 19:11:21 <mogonzo> voting will close in 60 seconds
- May 03 19:11:52 <mogonzo> unveiling Xip's website as a community consult concept idea
- May 03 19:11:58 <asoom> y
- May 03 19:12:05 <mogonzo> 5 carries it with those in attendance
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- May 03 19:12:20 <mogonzo> 4. Accounting of costs.
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- May 03 19:12:20 <mogonzo> A) Centralizing our fund raising addresses: across 3 currencies to start (propose WC, BTC, DOGE). This will allow the public to confirm what we raise, and verify our accounting against expenditures.
- May 03 19:12:54 <mogonzo> so essentially, this is a discussion about having only 1 official fundraising address per currency we're accepting donations in
- May 03 19:13:02 <OdinYggd> Absolutely.
- May 03 19:13:02 <Oizopower> We can choose for BC as well? as a token of good will to them?
- May 03 19:13:04 <mogonzo> I will now open the floor for comment on this subject
- May 03 19:13:07 <asoom> who will control?
- May 03 19:13:09 <asoom> the address?
- May 03 19:13:10 <mogonzo> I think that's a great idea
- May 03 19:13:16 <Xip> Oizopower: Great idea
- May 03 19:13:20 <OdinYggd> I think blackcoin would be offended.
- May 03 19:13:22 <mogonzo> asoom: that's actually the next item on the agenda
- May 03 19:13:22 <litepresence> who is treasurer?
- May 03 19:13:23 <LynchyAU> Oziopwer: +1
- May 03 19:13:24 <mindfox> marketing wise, is it good to accept other coins?
- May 03 19:13:36 <mogonzo> agreeing on this procedure is important for appointing the treasurer
- May 03 19:13:55 <asoom> So BTC WC DOGE and BC?
- May 03 19:13:56 <mogonzo> so agreeing on this does not mean we will immediately proceed to creating the addresses, only that this is how we would handle fund raising
- May 03 19:13:57 <LynchyAU> Odin does bring up a valid point...it could be viewed as though WC is sticking it to them
- May 03 19:14:03 <LynchyAU> much like BC has done with WC on their website
- May 03 19:14:10 <litepresence> I'd prefer to see BTC LTC and WC
- May 03 19:14:12 <mogonzo> yes that is a good point
- May 03 19:14:13 <OdinYggd> People giving away blackcoin to dump in order to support WhiteCoin
- May 03 19:14:19 <OdinYggd> BTC LTC DOGE and WC
- May 03 19:14:22 <asoom> ^
- May 03 19:14:24 <mogonzo> perhaps we should reach out to BC and see if they'd like to cooperate somehow
- May 03 19:14:25 <Oizopower> ok
- May 03 19:14:26 <OdinYggd> Simply because of the scale of Doge usage
- May 03 19:14:29 <mogonzo> I agree with adding LTC
- May 03 19:14:39 <Oizopower> LTC added is a good idea.
- May 03 19:14:46 <Xip> What about just taking WC entirely?
- May 03 19:14:52 <mogonzo> I thought about that
- May 03 19:14:53 <asoom> BC might cause issues for now lets just keep BTC LTC DOGE WC
- May 03 19:14:53 <LynchyAU> perhaps involving any community driven altcoin could be viewed this way
- May 03 19:15:03 <litepresence> I don't like the idea of doge including doge is a taint of our image
- May 03 19:15:03 <mogonzo> but I think there are other community members who would want to donate in other currencies
- May 03 19:15:04 <asoom> xip not enough options imo
- May 03 19:15:05 <Oizopower> why the DOGE ?
- May 03 19:15:17 <asoom> DOGE is #1 donation crypto
- May 03 19:15:21 <asoom> have to include
- May 03 19:15:25 <OdinYggd> DOGE is widely known even outside crypto proper. It is very popular for tips and donations
- May 03 19:15:27 <asoom> and its community is strong
- May 03 19:15:31 <OdinYggd> Their nascar event is taking place tomorrow
- May 03 19:15:33 <asoom> we can draw parallels
- May 03 19:15:34 <Oizopower> yeah agree on that point
- May 03 19:15:46 <litepresence> so why hype their coin?
- May 03 19:15:53 <litepresence> BTC and LTC are gold and silver
- May 03 19:15:56 <LynchyAU> ^^
- May 03 19:15:58 <litepresence> are we bronze or is Doge?
- May 03 19:16:08 <Xip> WhiteCoin is white gold isn't that worth most of all? ;-)
- May 03 19:16:10 <Oizopower> Only accepting WC shows us we have confident in this coin
- May 03 19:16:11 <Oizopower> :)
- May 03 19:16:19 <mindfox> I would like to say an idea
- May 03 19:16:20 <LynchyAU> I agree with LP
- May 03 19:16:25 <mindfox> don't know if it's something... but
- May 03 19:16:30 <OdinYggd> By that logic it should then only be btc and wc on the grounds that it is our primary trade pair.
- May 03 19:16:37 <mindfox> as like multi-pools that uses exchanges
- May 03 19:16:38 <Oizopower> indeed OdinYggd
- May 03 19:16:42 <mindfox> why not the fund raising addresses
- May 03 19:16:52 <mindfox> state that we accept other coins and we instantly trade them for WC
- May 03 19:17:00 <mindfox> automated with a bot
- May 03 19:17:16 <Oizopower> sounds like an idea mindfox, accepting the coins the multi pool has
- May 03 19:17:17 <OdinYggd> That is possible, but it would require the hosting of a box with all of the relevant coin daemons.
- May 03 19:17:19 <mindfox> and the one who send whatever coin can see the transaction
- May 03 19:17:26 <OdinYggd> Or simply publishing cryptsy deposit addresses for a dedicated account
- May 03 19:17:31 <OdinYggd> and using the cryptsy auto sell feature
- May 03 19:17:34 <Oizopower> maybe mculp can automate the sell / buy process
- May 03 19:17:38 <mindfox> that could work too
- May 03 19:17:40 <mogonzo> okay
- May 03 19:17:43 <OdinYggd> Transparency becomes harder to accomplish
- May 03 19:17:45 <mindfox> but show that we will be getting our coin :)
- May 03 19:17:52 <Oizopower> indeed
- May 03 19:18:04 <mogonzo> so it looks like consensus is forming around offering the following for addresses:
- May 03 19:18:05 <Oizopower> and put buy pressure the more they donate
- May 03 19:18:10 <mogonzo> WC, BTC, LTC, DOGE
- May 03 19:18:11 <mindfox> yup
- May 03 19:18:21 <mogonzo> any final comments?
- May 03 19:18:37 <litepresence> I could fall behind an "all of the above coins" approach.... or a BTC LTC WC.... but adding doge or any other alt besides BTC and LTC is WEAKNESS
- May 03 19:18:46 <Oizopower> what about mindfox's idea?
- May 03 19:18:58 <Oizopower> i mean it's good and keeping buy pressure
- May 03 19:18:58 <mogonzo> I like that
- May 03 19:18:59 <OdinYggd> Technically complicated.
- May 03 19:18:59 <Oizopower> :)
- May 03 19:19:02 <mogonzo> it is
- May 03 19:19:06 <OdinYggd> its difficult to keep transparency once you enter an exchange
- May 03 19:19:08 <mogonzo> but it's something we can look at for the future
- May 03 19:19:18 <mogonzo> the reason I've proposed doge
- May 03 19:19:19 <Oizopower> well, we have a multi pool buying WC, accept the coins the multipool has
- May 03 19:19:22 <OdinYggd> It is a possibility, but it would rely on an exchange that auto sells like cryptsy
- May 03 19:19:23 <Oizopower> and we can write a script
- May 03 19:19:25 <mogonzo> is that Iv'e seen a great many of their community members helping and supporting us
- May 03 19:19:27 <LynchyAU> mindfox's idea is helping stimulate WC in the process I agree with it
- May 03 19:19:31 <mogonzo> I believe donations from that community are likely
- May 03 19:19:35 <asoom> ^
- May 03 19:19:42 <asoom> i think good to have doge in the end
- May 03 19:19:42 <mogonzo> now, another approach is that we could wait for them to ask us to offer it
- May 03 19:19:49 <mogonzo> and immediately respond by saying "Of course!"
- May 03 19:19:51 <mogonzo> but honestly
- May 03 19:19:54 <asoom> no one will care i think u guys over thinking it tbh
- May 03 19:19:56 <mogonzo> it feels like a snub in iteslf
- May 03 19:19:58 <litepresence> I have no problem w/ the "all of the above" mindfox / cryptsy approach. I just don't like the idea of promoting BC Doge or any other "alt coin"
- May 03 19:19:58 <mogonzo> they've been awesome
- May 03 19:20:23 <OdinYggd> Thats possible too
- May 03 19:20:25 <mogonzo> litepresence: the thing is tho, many other altcoin communities banded to help us
- May 03 19:20:29 <OdinYggd> Initially only offer WC and btc
- May 03 19:20:31 <mogonzo> so I think that your point on BC is valid
- May 03 19:20:38 <OdinYggd> and then if people ask us to accept another coin, have it added
- May 03 19:20:39 <mogonzo> but with doge and the other big communities that rallied to help
- May 03 19:20:55 <mogonzo> I feel like it would be a snub, and perhaps a little too negatively competitive from our end
- May 03 19:20:56 <LynchyAU> 3 Addresses for Core donations (BTC LTC and WC) - Cryptsy addresses setup for all other alts for auto sell/buy
- May 03 19:21:12 <mogonzo> I can support that if consensus is building there
- May 03 19:21:17 <mogonzo> let's have a subvote
- May 03 19:21:36 <mogonzo> all in favor of adding Doge please cast your vote now:
- May 03 19:21:37 <litepresence> LynchyAU +1
- May 03 19:21:43 <LynchyAU> N
- May 03 19:21:48 <litepresence> N
- May 03 19:21:52 <OdinYggd> Y
- May 03 19:22:04 <Oizopower> N
- May 03 19:22:10 <mindfox> y
- May 03 19:22:18 <Xip> y
- May 03 19:22:24 <mindfox> for the possibility of getting more (explaining my vote)
- May 03 19:22:31 <asoom> Y
- May 03 19:22:36 <mogonzo> Y
- May 03 19:22:38 <mogonzo> motion carried
- May 03 19:22:42 <asoom> i have to say yes more donations imo
- May 03 19:22:44 <mogonzo> now for the final vote
- May 03 19:22:49 <asoom> will help rather than hurt
- May 03 19:22:58 <Oizopower> that's treue
- May 03 19:23:01 <Oizopower> true*
- May 03 19:23:11 <LynchyAU> I wish for mindfox to explain his vote after presenting the auto sell of alts feature to buy WC
- May 03 19:23:11 <mogonzo> our first official list of accepted donation currencies will be: WC, BTC, LTC, DOGE
- May 03 19:23:18 <mogonzo> please cast your votes now
- May 03 19:23:22 <mogonzo> Y
- May 03 19:23:26 <OdinYggd> y
- May 03 19:23:44 <mindfox> y
- May 03 19:23:55 <Oizopower> we need to go somewhere, vote Y
- May 03 19:24:20 <mogonzo> voting will close in 60 seconds
- May 03 19:24:46 <asoom> y cause its real not that big of a deal imo
- May 03 19:24:53 <litepresence> N - doge is a shit coin
- May 03 19:25:00 <mogonzo> motion carried
- May 03 19:25:02 <mogonzo> next item
- May 03 19:25:07 <mogonzo> B) We must agree on what areas we need to account for accrued costs and ongoing costs.
- May 03 19:25:07 <mogonzo> So far the list is:
- May 03 19:25:07 <mogonzo> 1. Devteam payments for work to date
- May 03 19:25:07 <mogonzo> 2. Website hosting costs
- May 03 19:25:07 <mogonzo> 3. Network maintenance costs
- May 03 19:25:07 <mogonzo> 4. PR Team budget (we should be tipping those who have worked so hard for us)
- May 03 19:25:07 <mogonzo> 5. Costs for creating a real foundation
- May 03 19:25:07 <mogonzo> The floor is now open for suggestions of general item categories to be added to the list.
- May 03 19:25:59 <mogonzo> these items will serve as a way for us to delegate the work required to account all these costs, naturally
- May 03 19:26:16 <asoom> who will be in charged of donated coins?
- May 03 19:26:22 <LynchyAU> ^
- May 03 19:26:30 <mogonzo> that is section 5 fund raising methods
- May 03 19:26:37 <mogonzo> right now we are agreeing on structure
- May 03 19:26:46 <mogonzo> *fund raising methods
- May 03 19:27:06 <mogonzo> are there any other suggestions for this list?
- May 03 19:27:17 <Oizopower> i'm thinking :)
- May 03 19:27:31 <mogonzo> we can always of course add to it later, this is for us to start the research necessary
- May 03 19:27:32 <Oizopower> contests ?
- May 03 19:27:49 <mogonzo> hmm.. yes that's a good point
- May 03 19:27:57 <OdinYggd> Contests would be included in PR Team costs
- May 03 19:28:02 <Oizopower> ok
- May 03 19:28:06 <mogonzo> yes, or perhaps create a master category
- May 03 19:28:07 <OdinYggd> PR team covers operator perks and promotional material purchases
- May 03 19:28:08 <mogonzo> PR Costs
- May 03 19:28:18 <mogonzo> PR Team & Contests are each sub categories
- May 03 19:28:32 <mogonzo> sounds good
- May 03 19:28:35 <mogonzo> putting down notes
- May 03 19:28:41 <Xip> Managing our own forums, work of moderators, organizing etc. is that considered in PR?
- May 03 19:28:50 <LynchyAU> yeah
- May 03 19:28:50 <mogonzo> yes
- May 03 19:28:52 <Oizopower> yes
- May 03 19:28:57 <Xip> Alright
- May 03 19:29:04 <mindfox> in my oppinion, each item is necessary
- May 03 19:29:11 <mogonzo> agreed
- May 03 19:29:19 <mogonzo> okay any last thoughts before we vote on this list?
- May 03 19:29:21 <mindfox> but
- May 03 19:29:26 <mindfox> there are some costs that are steady
- May 03 19:29:28 <mindfox> for example
- May 03 19:29:30 <mindfox> web hosting
- May 03 19:29:38 <mindfox> [redacted]
- May 03 19:29:43 <mindfox> those are actual costs
- May 03 19:29:51 <mindfox> not volunteer work
- May 03 19:30:01 <mindfox> those costs must be the first to be covered
- May 03 19:30:04 <mindfox> am I wrong?
- May 03 19:30:09 <litepresence> what about "bounties"
- May 03 19:30:14 <mindfox> those are the actual "running" costs
- May 03 19:30:29 <asoom> ya what about bounties they are good imo
- May 03 19:30:33 <OdinYggd> Yes. Actual operating costs that failure to pay results in bad things happening need to be high priority
- May 03 19:30:46 <Xip> mindfox: Of course
- May 03 19:30:50 <OdinYggd> I lost one of my servers back in April because I missed a payment and the provider went nuclear on it
- May 03 19:30:58 <litepresence> Odin +1
- May 03 19:31:01 <mindfox> so, whatever is left after paying those is to be considered as funding the other areas
- May 03 19:31:12 <mogonzo> all of this stuff is great, taking notes
- May 03 19:31:27 <mogonzo> I agree those who have paid for actual hosting and servers for us need to be compensated
- May 03 19:31:33 <Xip> Also we have to go through those costs as well and be transparent about it
- May 03 19:31:34 <Oizopower> web hosting / domains etc
- May 03 19:31:37 <mogonzo> exactly
- May 03 19:31:57 <mogonzo> so the steps would be to gather all those costs, present to community
- May 03 19:32:04 <mogonzo> vote in leadership council
- May 03 19:32:12 <mogonzo> proceed with payments as we receive funding
- May 03 19:32:43 <litepresence> I believe promo has incurred some costs related to the server
- May 03 19:32:51 <mogonzo> tho I do think right now, our immediate list needs to focus on costs for the immediate future
- May 03 19:32:55 <mogonzo> yes
- May 03 19:33:02 <mogonzo> qutie a few people have
- May 03 19:33:08 <mogonzo> so we need to get a list of all of that
- May 03 19:33:32 <litepresence> I feel the coin is also indebted to fox and west
- May 03 19:33:34 <mogonzo> I'm going to call for a vote on this list because we're again running into time constraints
- May 03 19:33:40 <mogonzo> absolutely
- May 03 19:34:07 <mogonzo> Y is my vote on the list as proposed, because I believe we can add these other great ideas at the next meeting
- May 03 19:34:12 <LynchyAU> I believe we shouldn't discredit tf2's work here as well
- May 03 19:34:24 <mogonzo> and most of what's been discussed here falls under these catagories
- May 03 19:34:27 <Oizopower> absolutely LynchyAU
- May 03 19:34:29 <Oizopower> agree
- May 03 19:34:32 <Xip> LynchyAU: We shouldn't discredit anyone's work ever
- May 03 19:34:42 <mogonzo> agreed
- May 03 19:35:00 <mindfox> [01:33] <@mogonzo> and most of what's been discussed here falls under these catagories <-- I agree
- May 03 19:35:00 <Oizopower> btw..
- May 03 19:35:05 <OdinYggd> TF2 still represents Poloniex. Further involvement with him may be required in the future.
- May 03 19:35:07 <mogonzo> what happened with TF2 was an unfortunate miscommunication and personal dispute, nothing more, his skill had nothing to do with it
- May 03 19:35:11 <Oizopower> what about SEA?
- May 03 19:35:11 <asoom> list is far from complete but i think so far is not bad
- May 03 19:35:12 <OdinYggd> However it is still a delicate situation.
- May 03 19:35:13 <Xip> Those that helps this coin forward should be rewarded and praised by all of us.
- May 03 19:35:15 <mogonzo> okay everyone
- May 03 19:35:18 <mogonzo> back on topic
- May 03 19:35:25 <mogonzo> we have to Y's from what I can see
- May 03 19:35:37 <mogonzo> please cast your votes now so we can proceed
- May 03 19:35:37 <litepresence> tf2's comments about west's wallet being "amateur" were very anti WhiteCoin
- May 03 19:35:49 <mogonzo> yeah I'm not too impressed, naturally
- May 03 19:35:51 <Oizopower> Y
- May 03 19:35:54 <mogonzo> 3 Y's
- May 03 19:36:04 <mogonzo> voting will close in 30 seconds
- May 03 19:36:07 <mindfox> y
- May 03 19:36:16 <LynchyAU> LP - It still doesn't mean we should stoop to that level and remove his credit
- May 03 19:36:19 <litepresence> I'm not exactly sure what we're agreeing to?
- May 03 19:36:25 <LynchyAU> ^
- May 03 19:36:29 <Oizopower> they above list
- May 03 19:36:30 <mindfox> the items for funding
- May 03 19:36:33 <mogonzo> that these are the categories under which we will account for our finances
- May 03 19:36:35 <LynchyAU> y
- May 03 19:36:43 <mogonzo> 1. Devteam payments for work to date
- May 03 19:36:43 <mogonzo> 2. Website hosting costs
- May 03 19:36:43 <mogonzo> 3. Network maintenance costs
- May 03 19:36:43 <mogonzo> 4. PR Team budget (we should be tipping those who have worked so hard for us, contest budget)
- May 03 19:36:43 <mogonzo> 5. Costs for creating a real foundation
- May 03 19:36:44 <Xip> y
- May 03 19:36:49 <mogonzo> motion carried
- May 03 19:36:57 <mogonzo> C) Delegate accounting tasks: (individuals will gather a full list of all costs in their assigned category)
- May 03 19:36:57 <mogonzo> 1. Devteam payments for work to date (Mogonzo will assemble full report for the team)
- May 03 19:36:57 <mogonzo> 2. Website hosting costs (Nominate Xip)
- May 03 19:36:57 <mogonzo> 3. Network maintenance costs (nominate CryptoWest)
- May 03 19:36:57 <mogonzo> 4. PR Team budget (nominate odin)
- May 03 19:36:57 <mogonzo> 5. Costs for creating a real foundation (mogonzo will assemble full report for the team)
- May 03 19:37:13 <mogonzo> floor is now open for volunteers
- May 03 19:37:16 <mogonzo> and discussion
- May 03 19:37:23 <litepresence> I feel like we should have clarified importance issues before moving on
- May 03 19:37:30 <mogonzo> and those I have nominated should not feel pressured, I've merely listed you because I think you'd be good at it
- May 03 19:37:52 <mogonzo> LP: I put these ahead of agreeing to treasurer because I believe that will be a lengthy discussion
- May 03 19:37:58 <mogonzo> and wanted to bang through the accounting practices first
- May 03 19:38:13 <mogonzo> seems like the motion carries, double checking
- May 03 19:38:22 <LynchyAU> Are these in order of priority?
- May 03 19:38:28 <mogonzo> no
- May 03 19:38:32 <mogonzo> just a list
- May 03 19:38:37 <LynchyAU> k
- May 03 19:38:47 <mogonzo> oh shit I totally lost track of where we were lol
- May 03 19:38:51 <mogonzo> we haven't voted on this hah
- May 03 19:38:59 <mogonzo> too many screens..
- May 03 19:39:00 <mogonzo> ok
- May 03 19:39:02 <mindfox> lol
- May 03 19:39:05 <mindfox> me too
- May 03 19:39:36 <mogonzo> so lets' work down the list
- May 03 19:39:47 <mogonzo> Xip you've already paid for hosting costs, heh, so that's why I nominated you
- May 03 19:39:49 <mogonzo> that work?
- May 03 19:40:00 <Xip> Of course
- May 03 19:40:04 <mogonzo> sweet
- [redacted]
- May 03 19:40:16 <mogonzo> I see either CW or Mindfox being best for this
- May 03 19:40:23 <mogonzo> CW is asleep and should stay that way for a while imo
- May 03 19:40:26 <litepresence> isn't promo paying for this now?
- May 03 19:40:27 <mogonzo> so mindfox are you up for that?
- May 03 19:40:30 <mogonzo> could be
- May 03 19:40:34 <mogonzo> so perhaps we should ask him
- May 03 19:40:39 <mogonzo> we can defer naming someone on that
- May 03 19:40:55 <mindfox> for the costs you mean?
- May 03 19:40:58 <LynchyAU> LP - As far as I am aware yes
- May 03 19:41:04 <mogonzo> yes, accounting for the current costs
- May 03 19:41:07 <mogonzo> and what it will cost in the future
- May 03 19:41:27 <mindfox> if I remember correctly, someone already paid for something
- May 03 19:41:32 <mogonzo> yes I agree
- May 03 19:41:34 <mindfox> remove that "security reasons"
- May 03 19:41:36 <mogonzo> I thought CW picked up some of it too
- May 03 19:41:37 <mindfox> [redacted]
- May 03 19:41:40 <mogonzo> for sure
- May 03 19:41:43 <mogonzo> agreed
- May 03 19:41:49 <mindfox> so, what's left?
- May 03 19:41:54 <Xip> So this is for voting who will go through the COSTS of each category, correct?
- May 03 19:41:55 <mogonzo> PR team budget
- May 03 19:41:56 <Oizopower> mindfox: yes i had rented some
- May 03 19:41:57 <Oizopower> :)
- May 03 19:41:59 <mindfox> I do not know previous expenses
- May 03 19:41:59 <litepresence> on the subject of cost... how much longer will promo need to keep hash pointed at WC? I think he's doing this w/ funds directed at a wallet that aren't even his.
- May 03 19:42:05 <mogonzo> Odin and OIz have worked the closest with people
- May 03 19:42:22 <mogonzo> what's required for that one is getting a list of the hardest workers, and recommendations for waht we should pay them
- May 03 19:42:24 <mogonzo> for work to date
- May 03 19:42:27 <LynchyAU> As far as I am aware LP that wallet is owned by Odin
- May 03 19:42:46 <mogonzo> LP: as soon as PoW ends tonight it won't be needed anymore, so at block 17500
- May 03 19:42:48 <litepresence> What are those funds being used for?
- May 03 19:42:54 <asoom> LP, prom will end after 17,500 i suppose
- May 03 19:43:00 <mogonzo> kk
- May 03 19:43:02 <asoom> after PoW is done
- May 03 19:43:07 <Oizopower> prom is not helping now right?
- May 03 19:43:08 <LynchyAU> ^^ - the wallet is being donated to this foundation
- May 03 19:43:12 <Oizopower> only in case of emergency
- May 03 19:43:13 <asoom> ^
- May 03 19:43:15 <mogonzo> yeah i think we need to defer appointing who will account for these costs until we can make contact with Promo and CW
- May 03 19:43:27 <litepresence> agreed
- May 03 19:43:32 <mogonzo> any objections?
- May 03 19:43:35 <asoom> oizo no he has been directing hash since yesterday i think
- May 03 19:43:41 <Oizopower> no asoom
- May 03 19:43:42 <OdinYggd> PoW protection can stop at block 17500
- May 03 19:43:44 <mogonzo> okay
- May 03 19:43:44 <OdinYggd> This is mere hours away
- May 03 19:43:51 <mogonzo> lets finish this
- May 03 19:43:53 <mogonzo> and get to the meat
- May 03 19:43:56 <mogonzo> PR Team budget
- May 03 19:44:07 <mogonzo> <mogonzo> Odin and OIz have worked the closest with people
- May 03 19:44:07 <mogonzo> <mogonzo> what's required for that one is getting a list of the hardest workers, and recommendations for waht we should pay them
- May 03 19:44:07 <mogonzo> <mogonzo> for work to date
- May 03 19:44:13 <mogonzo> any volunteers?
- May 03 19:44:39 <Oizopower> well on IRC OdinYggd and I are the most active, has been worked out ok. because im in a diff timezone than most of you
- May 03 19:44:39 <mogonzo> we can defer if no one in here has the time
- May 03 19:44:48 <mogonzo> right
- May 03 19:45:01 <mindfox> I can also assist as much as time allows me
- May 03 19:45:01 <Xip> Again just to get some clarification on this. We are not now voting for who will hold the keys for the cash but rather who will go through the cost of each category?
- May 03 19:45:03 <mindfox> for irc
- May 03 19:45:03 <mogonzo> yeah I just need someone who's got a good sense for who's been really helpful and therefore who deserves reward
- May 03 19:45:11 <mogonzo> exactly Xip
- May 03 19:45:12 <litepresence> what about "ladyWhiteCoin"
- May 03 19:45:13 <mindfox> ah, ops sorry
- May 03 19:45:14 <LynchyAU> I am in a completely opposite timezone to 90% of you... I don't wish for payment but some credit on that might be nice
- May 03 19:45:30 <mogonzo> everyone who helped us is going to get credit
- May 03 19:45:39 <mogonzo> I'm going to make a massive thank you post and a huge deal about it :)
- May 03 19:45:43 <mogonzo> now
- May 03 19:45:46 <mogonzo> let's get through this
- May 03 19:46:03 <mogonzo> any volunteers to create a list of names for who needs to be rewarded for their PR help?
- May 03 19:46:10 <OdinYggd> I've been here around 16-18 hours per day for the past week. If anything else happens in the next week I'll have to get treated for carpyl tunnel from all the typing. If we can't quite finish this matter now we'll have to address it next meeting
- May 03 19:46:18 <mogonzo> we'll close discussion in 60 seconds otherwise defer for next meeting
- May 03 19:46:28 <mogonzo> agreed
- May 03 19:46:33 <mogonzo> okay moving to vote and close this matter
- May 03 19:46:56 <litepresence> I don't feel anyone deserves any funding for previous work (sans fox and west)... but consideration for funding for future work based on past performance
- May 03 19:46:56 <mogonzo> 1. Devteam payments for work to date (Mogonzo will assemble full report for the team)
- May 03 19:46:56 <mogonzo> 2. Website hosting costs (Xip)
- May 03 19:46:56 <mogonzo> 3. Network maintenance costs (defer,reaching out to prom)
- May 03 19:46:56 <mogonzo> 4. PR Team budget (defer)
- May 03 19:46:56 <mogonzo> 5. Costs for creating a real foundation (mogonzo will assemble full report for the team)
- May 03 19:47:02 <mogonzo> ^ cast your votes
- May 03 19:47:03 <mogonzo> Y
- May 03 19:47:14 <mindfox> y
- May 03 19:47:33 <mogonzo> voting will close in 60 seconds
- May 03 19:47:39 <Xip> y
- May 03 19:47:43 <Oizopower> y
- May 03 19:47:44 <litepresence> we didn't address "foundation" in our discussion
- May 03 19:47:54 <litepresence> what do you roughly propose?
- May 03 19:48:02 <litepresence> what are your rough expected costs?
- May 03 19:48:04 <mogonzo> that I research and gather costs
- May 03 19:48:13 <Xip> He'll get back to us on that
- May 03 19:48:16 <Xip> and we'll discuss that in the future
- May 03 19:48:17 <mogonzo> I think we should be able to start at low cost, below $500 inc legal fees
- May 03 19:48:27 <asoom> we are agreeing on list with no details?
- May 03 19:48:32 <mogonzo> but I'll present a full report and we'll vote together before we move
- May 03 19:48:34 <asoom> agreeing*
- May 03 19:48:35 <mogonzo> no
- May 03 19:48:41 <mogonzo> we're agreegin I will assemble the list
- May 03 19:48:52 <mindfox> exactly, that's what I understood
- May 03 19:48:52 <mogonzo> this is about accounting practices
- May 03 19:48:57 <asoom> how soon will you get details i want to see cause thats really important
- May 03 19:48:59 <mogonzo> so we can be transparent with the community
- May 03 19:49:01 <litepresence> so no implied costs incurred to "assemble this list of legal costs"
- May 03 19:49:02 <asoom> ok
- May 03 19:49:09 <mogonzo> this week for sure
- May 03 19:49:28 <OdinYggd> Filing for an LLC in the state of New York cost me $500 to start and $100 yearly in legal fees
- May 03 19:49:29 <asoom> i see
- May 03 19:49:31 <mogonzo> there will likely be a small legal cost to validate what we found yes
- May 03 19:49:34 <OdinYggd> This is within our reach.
- May 03 19:49:38 <OdinYggd> Just not with our current funding
- May 03 19:49:42 <mogonzo> right
- May 03 19:49:44 <mogonzo> okay
- May 03 19:49:53 <mogonzo> so we need one more Y on this list to agree
- May 03 19:49:55 <Xip> OdinYggd: Well we're not going to be a corporation, we'll be a non-profit
- May 03 19:50:00 <mogonzo> and then we can talk who will manage the money
- May 03 19:50:07 <litepresence> I just know how lawyers are... I don't like open ended costs related to 15m calls w/ lawyers to find things out.
- May 03 19:50:15 <mogonzo> that won't happen
- May 03 19:50:26 <mogonzo> I have lawyers in the family, I'll minimize costs wherever I can
- May 03 19:50:30 <mogonzo> we need to move on from this
- May 03 19:50:32 <Xip> litepresence: we'll be transparent of course when it comes to whatever we do
- May 03 19:50:33 <mogonzo> that's for our next meeting
- May 03 19:50:37 <mogonzo> exactly
- May 03 19:50:44 <OdinYggd> Correct. I don't know the procedures for establishing a non profit organization
- May 03 19:50:45 <Xip> we'll discuss everything from now on
- May 03 19:50:53 <OdinYggd> yes.
- May 03 19:50:56 <mogonzo> okay
- May 03 19:50:59 <mogonzo> any objections to this list?
- May 03 19:51:03 <mogonzo> we've got 4 Y's
- May 03 19:51:14 <litepresence> Y
- May 03 19:51:14 <mogonzo> voting closes in 30 seconds, motion carries unless there are serious objections at this point
- May 03 19:51:18 <mogonzo> ahh nice
- May 03 19:51:18 <mogonzo> kk
- May 03 19:51:20 <OdinYggd> I think we should hold off on deciding volunteer compensation and structural costs at this time. Lets get a treasury established and build up resources.
- May 03 19:51:20 <mogonzo> motion carried
- May 03 19:51:20 <asoom> ok
- May 03 19:51:24 <mogonzo> now before I post this
- May 03 19:51:27 <OdinYggd> That works too
- May 03 19:51:35 <mogonzo> I'm going to say I expect a lot of discussion on this point
- May 03 19:51:38 <mogonzo> so, if we run over 10 mins
- May 03 19:51:44 <mogonzo> I'll propose a brief pause
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- May 03 19:52:07 <mogonzo> 5. Fund raising methods
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- May 03 19:52:07 <mogonzo> A) The position mogonzo is in: As the 'front face' of this team, my name is at stake over how we handle fund raising and manage the accounts. I have concerns over using a community member for escrow if I don't know them personally. I therefore propose the following:
- May 03 19:52:07 <mogonzo> I would account for donations, costs, and expenditures under my own personal taxes (as needed, I do not believe in the end I'll need to file personally for this as the foundation should be able to merge what I account for after it's up). This way, a real person is officially accountable for what happens with the finances. I would not spend the foundation's money without approval of the leadership team here
- May 03 19:52:07 <mogonzo> If agreed, we would present this plan along with an accounting of our finances to the community when first payments are issued. I hope everyone understands given how the crypto world operates, I'd be doing this at considerable personal risk. However, i don't see a viable alternative to start this immediately.
- May 03 19:52:07 <mogonzo> The floor is now open for comments, and I am eager to here options I haven't considered.
- May 03 19:52:42 <OdinYggd> Keep all foundation related accounting matters in a dedicated account.
- May 03 19:52:51 <OdinYggd> The type of account does not matter, but do not for any reason mix it with your own bank accounts
- May 03 19:52:54 <mogonzo> exactly
- May 03 19:52:58 <mogonzo> yes
- May 03 19:53:00 <OdinYggd> This will aid in future separation, and streamline auditing
- May 03 19:53:01 <mogonzo> and crypto as well
- May 03 19:53:12 <mogonzo> absolutely
- May 03 19:53:38 <mindfox> I believe that it is necessary to have a bank account for a non-profit foundation for donations
- May 03 19:53:41 <mindfox> I might be mistaken
- May 03 19:53:45 <mogonzo> yes, it will be
- May 03 19:53:57 <mindfox> so, we're talking before a legal foundation is established?
- May 03 19:53:59 <mogonzo> and that will require me creating an account with a canadian BTC/fiat exchange
- May 03 19:53:59 <litepresence> Is there anyone else in this room that would prefer to hold WhiteCoin funds in escrow?
- May 03 19:54:06 <litepresence> moosa?
- May 03 19:54:12 <mogonzo> I am open to that
- May 03 19:54:29 <LynchyAU> I believe the best system would be multisig crypto accounts
- May 03 19:54:34 <asoom> I am doing escrow right now lol
- May 03 19:54:34 <mogonzo> but I need to trust the escrow service and completely understand how the process works, as well as have legal recourse if expectations aren't met
- May 03 19:54:39 <mogonzo> before I'd personally endorse it
- May 03 19:54:41 <mindfox> I tend to agree with LynchyAU
- May 03 19:54:46 <Xip> I don't think the power should be on one person to be honest
- May 03 19:54:53 <mogonzo> I def agree with that
- May 03 19:54:54 <asoom> but its up to you guys
- May 03 19:54:58 <mogonzo> the idea here
- May 03 19:55:01 <mogonzo> would be that I have one key
- May 03 19:55:02 <LynchyAU> Xip: Hence multisig
- May 03 19:55:03 <mogonzo> the team has the other key
- May 03 19:55:07 <Xip> LynchyAU: I agree
- May 03 19:55:17 <LynchyAU> I vote a community appointed key
- May 03 19:55:19 <OdinYggd> Xip, budgets will have to be prepared and brought to this room for approval.
- May 03 19:55:21 <LynchyAU> for the 3rd key
- May 03 19:55:23 <mogonzo> no disbursements would occur without consent of the team, iow
- May 03 19:55:34 <OdinYggd> However, it is simplest to have one person physically manage it, with a second person auditing
- May 03 19:55:34 <mogonzo> I really like that idea
- May 03 19:55:40 <mogonzo> we'd need to agree on a real and solid approach for it
- May 03 19:55:53 <mogonzo> though
- May 03 19:55:55 <Xip> I think that we should say we go another meeting
- May 03 19:55:58 <mogonzo> we will also be adding community reps in here
- May 03 19:56:01 <Xip> To figure it out
- May 03 19:56:11 <mogonzo> but in the meantime, we do need to start fund raising
- May 03 19:56:23 <mogonzo> and the funds need to go somewhere that we're all confident they won't be fucked with
- May 03 19:56:38 <LynchyAU> 1 key to Mogonzo, 1 key to another team member, 1 key to community rep (voted in by WC community)
- May 03 19:56:38 <OdinYggd> I will propose then that we temporally pick someone to collect funds at, with plans to formalize the structure in the future
- May 03 19:56:46 <litepresence> Whatever we decide w/ regard to "treasurer" should have "checks and balances".
- May 03 19:56:46 <OdinYggd> Our current ability is crippled by the lack of funding
- May 03 19:56:53 <mogonzo> LynchyAU: the only problem with that I see
- May 03 19:57:08 <mogonzo> is that there is the potential for deadlocks there
- May 03 19:57:11 <mogonzo> that could cripple the fund
- May 03 19:57:17 <mogonzo> like with American politics
- May 03 19:57:24 <mogonzo> so we would need a detailed process
- May 03 19:57:27 <mogonzo> to vet that community rep
- May 03 19:57:30 <LynchyAU> of course
- May 03 19:57:35 <asoom> Like I said I am known in the community as trustworthy and have done escrow for others but I can understand why I wont be preferred, its up to you guys really
- May 03 19:57:41 <mogonzo> which I think is extremely complicated for implementing now
- May 03 19:57:51 <mogonzo> right
- May 03 19:57:55 <litepresence> I trust MoosaNYC w/ funds he has a reputation beyond WC on the line
- May 03 19:57:56 <mogonzo> and please don't take this the wrong way asoom
- May 03 19:58:00 <mogonzo> but from my own personal standpoint
- May 03 19:58:03 <Oizopower> split keys over different countries.
- May 03 19:58:06 <mogonzo> I've known you only a week
- May 03 19:58:08 <OdinYggd> Another complication with who manages the funding is the fact that people seem to be a bit iffy about trusting chunky-related people with WhiteCoin matters
- May 03 19:58:09 <mogonzo> and you're awesome
- May 03 19:58:14 <asoom> :)
- May 03 19:58:15 <OdinYggd> The reputation there isn't in the best of shape
- May 03 19:58:18 <mogonzo> but if we agreed to do it via you
- May 03 19:58:21 <mogonzo> which I am very open to
- May 03 19:58:21 <mindfox> my opinion is that if we are to use escrow, it should be with someone outside this room
- May 03 19:58:23 <OdinYggd> We've had a few fuds now come from that
- May 03 19:58:34 <mogonzo> I'd need you to fully identify yourself to me and sign some contracts
- May 03 19:58:41 <mogonzo> before I could endorse it
- May 03 19:58:42 <mindfox> otherwise, anyone could accuse us
- May 03 19:58:43 <mogonzo> and that's nothing personal
- May 03 19:58:49 <mindfox> escrowing our own funds?
- May 03 19:58:52 <mogonzo> that's about showing the community that I've taken steps to protect the fund
- May 03 19:58:52 <asoom> i see like i said up to u guys
- May 03 19:58:58 <asoom> yep
- May 03 19:59:02 <mindfox> no, of course nothing personal. I'm just saying
- May 03 19:59:03 <litepresence> I trust Simran or Koolio for escrow services outside of this room.
- May 03 19:59:13 <mogonzo> but these are also people I don't know at all
- May 03 19:59:22 <LynchyAU> o-O
- May 03 19:59:24 <mogonzo> I'm not trying to force this
- May 03 19:59:26 <mogonzo> on anyone
- May 03 19:59:39 <mogonzo> I hope you can see what i mean but I'm unsure of simple alternatives
- May 03 19:59:45 <litepresence> Simran runs a "paypal to cash" service with reviews at bitcointalk. Koolio is a BTCe mod like MoosaNYC
- May 03 19:59:45 <mogonzo> unless we use an official escrow
- May 03 19:59:54 <mogonzo> which would of course cost us like 5%?
- May 03 20:00:03 <mindfox> official escrow will take more than funding
- May 03 20:00:08 <mogonzo> indeed
- May 03 20:00:13 <mogonzo> see, I'm open to them too
- May 03 20:00:17 <mogonzo> but the same would apply
- May 03 20:00:17 <mindfox> you mean a lawyer, right?
- May 03 20:00:30 <litepresence> I think either simran or koolio would do it probono
- May 03 20:00:30 <mindfox> that's what official means
- May 03 20:00:32 <mogonzo> well there are online escrow services, as far as I've been told
- May 03 20:00:45 <mindfox> lawyers then :)
- May 03 20:00:45 <mogonzo> but for fiat, yes I think we would need a lawyer
- May 03 20:00:46 <OdinYggd> What about asking Prometheus
- May 03 20:00:50 <litepresence> paulgr from btce would probably also do it probono
- May 03 20:00:53 <OdinYggd> He seems to be well versed in accounting practices
- May 03 20:00:57 <litepresence> paulgr another btce mod
- May 03 20:01:00 <asoom> I know Simran is very very trustworthy in the community and forums
- May 03 20:01:04 <LynchyAU> LP +1
- May 03 20:01:22 <mogonzo> okay I'm going to go for a smoke and think about all this, and hope hat helps to open the floor up more
- May 03 20:01:33 <mogonzo> if there are direct questions for me, please highlight me so I see them clearly when I return
- May 03 20:01:40 <Oizopower> ok
- May 03 20:01:50 <litepresence> involving a "non WhiteCoin foundation" entity as our escrow would lend credibility
- May 03 20:01:51 <Xip> I think we should take this to another meeting
- May 03 20:01:53 <mogonzo> natrually, if we did choose me, I would be willing to meet the various conditions this group wants to set
- May 03 20:01:57 <Xip> Because I do feel this is not just one single vote
- May 03 20:02:05 <mogonzo> yeah I'm leaning that way too
- May 03 20:02:10 <mogonzo> but I Think we should discuss at least a bit more here now
- May 03 20:02:15 <mogonzo> because my concern is that if we don't act fast
- May 03 20:02:21 <mogonzo> with the momentum and support being put out
- May 03 20:02:25 <Oizopower> we need to discuss only all the possible options in this point
- May 03 20:02:30 <mogonzo> we'll lose a big public side fund raising opportunity
- May 03 20:02:37 <mogonzo> yes I agree with Oiz
- May 03 20:02:40 <Oizopower> and in the next quick meeting discuss further on those points
- May 03 20:02:44 <mogonzo> we need something that will allow us to begin as soon as PoW ends
- May 03 20:02:46 <Oizopower> so people can sleep a day over it
- May 03 20:02:48 <mogonzo> yes
- May 03 20:02:53 <Oizopower> i dont mind sitting tomorrow again
- May 03 20:02:55 <asoom> lets resume this for another meeting ah getting close to dinner time
- May 03 20:02:55 <mogonzo> and I think what ever we choose
- May 03 20:03:08 <mogonzo> perhaps we should agree on a specific time line for this approach before review and possible replacement of position
- May 03 20:03:13 <mogonzo> like 24 hours or something
- May 03 20:04:19 <litepresence> I don't mean to be a stick in the mud about any of this.. I'm just giving input. I have no "problem" w/ mogonzo as our treasurer beyond how much the community may trust him.
- May 03 20:04:25 <mindfox> fine by me (although timezone difference kills me :) )
- May 03 20:04:40 <OdinYggd> It is positively dangerous to put too much trust in any one person.
- May 03 20:04:52 <litepresence> that's all I'm ssaying
- May 03 20:04:54 <Oizopower> mindfox: must be 2 AM in Greece?
- May 03 20:04:57 <OdinYggd> The treasurer should be someone we can count on, with knowledge and experience in handling other people's money.
- May 03 20:05:02 <mindfox> Oizopower: yes
- May 03 20:05:03 <OdinYggd> Certified public accountant preferred
- May 03 20:05:08 <mindfox> but I'm used in those hours :)
- May 03 20:05:12 <Oizopower> hehe
- May 03 20:05:22 <litepresence> Simran +1 I trust that kid. He's moved stacks for me. http://CCoinPal.com/ ftw ;)
- May 03 20:05:23 <mindfox> I should be called: batman
- May 03 20:05:47 <Oizopower> well 1 person having all the funds is not a option i think (from this group)
- May 03 20:05:49 <Xip> Why put everything one person? We could use more than one, split things up.
- May 03 20:06:03 <Oizopower> that person can rage and quit
- May 03 20:06:04 <Oizopower> ;)
- May 03 20:06:29 <litepresence> tru^
- May 03 20:06:32 <Xip> And that's why I think we should think about this and then bring this up on another meeting
- May 03 20:06:38 <Oizopower> but divide it like Xip said may not be a bad option for the beginning
- May 03 20:06:40 <mindfox> it is a possibility with whatever option we chose
- May 03 20:06:47 <Oizopower> dividing*
- May 03 20:06:51 <mindfox> remember: cryptocurrency is not true money to the eyes of the law
- May 03 20:06:55 <mindfox> only the irs
- May 03 20:06:57 <Oizopower> if 1 person rage quit, you don't loose al
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- May 03 20:07:10 <Oizopower> but the risk is higher
- May 03 20:07:11 <Xip> IRS is a US thing, not everyone is located in US ;-)
- May 03 20:07:20 <Oizopower> << NL
- May 03 20:07:20 <mindfox> true that
- May 03 20:07:23 <mindfox> << GR
- May 03 20:07:27 <mindfox> but forget about me
- May 03 20:07:28 <Xip> << SWE
- May 03 20:07:42 <mindfox> in my country, having kids is a proof of yearly income... lol
- May 03 20:07:42 <Oizopower> NL is pretty pro crypto ;)
- May 03 20:08:01 <Xip> Most laws regarding "crypto" is about Bitcoin
- May 03 20:08:04 <Oizopower> we even have a bitcoin street
- May 03 20:08:05 <Oizopower> :D
- May 03 20:08:15 <mogonzo> I agree with Odin's point about putting the trust in any one person
- May 03 20:08:26 <mogonzo> and I had great reservations about even suggesting this tbh
- May 03 20:08:27 <asoom> < NY
- May 03 20:08:37 <OdinYggd> That is a very valid idea, having multiple people managing funds
- May 03 20:08:43 <mindfox> can I make one crazy suggestion?
- May 03 20:08:45 <OdinYggd> Like so if there is a problem, we do not lose 100%
- May 03 20:08:50 <litepresence> < MOON waiting for WC
- May 03 20:08:51 <mogonzo> I think that is also a very good idea
- May 03 20:08:52 <mindfox> instead of having people, would the exchanges do that for us?
- May 03 20:08:59 <Oizopower> OdinYggd: yes, but the risk of losing funds is higher
- May 03 20:09:04 <OdinYggd> True.
- May 03 20:09:05 <mogonzo> you took the word out of my mouth, we could ask mintpal
- May 03 20:09:08 <Oizopower> only you lose less
- May 03 20:09:10 <Oizopower> :)
- May 03 20:09:12 <mogonzo> but jsut to finish my thought from above
- May 03 20:09:21 <OdinYggd> This would be an interesting promotional feature for mintpal. "Nonprofit account"
- May 03 20:09:25 *mindfox returns word
- May 03 20:09:25 <LynchyAU> I still believe that multisig is the way to go...someone outside wc foundation can be given a key and mogonzo the other
- May 03 20:09:27 <OdinYggd> All transactions are public viewable
- May 03 20:09:31 <mogonzo> the reason I decided to proceed with my original proposal re being treasurer
- May 03 20:09:51 <litepresence> +1 for Mintpal Jay as treasurer <<< HUGE WIN
- May 03 20:09:59 <mogonzo> Is that I'm hoping it's clear to everyone in here as well as the public
- May 03 20:10:05 <Oizopower> would be awesome
- May 03 20:10:08 <mogonzo> that it would be disastrous for me to mismanage this fund
- May 03 20:10:12 <Xip> We'll think about it for a while and we'll take it for next meeting
- May 03 20:10:16 <Xip> Perhaps also the community has suggestions
- May 03 20:10:18 <mogonzo> or agree to a process that leaves it vulnerable to easy mismanagement
- May 03 20:10:25 <Oizopower> but what if.... the exchange closes
- May 03 20:10:32 <mogonzo> that's another concern too
- May 03 20:10:32 <Oizopower> it will be his personal funds
- May 03 20:10:38 <mogonzo> that's the thing here
- May 03 20:10:40 <Oizopower> that are taken
- May 03 20:10:44 <mogonzo> I'd be agreeing to everyone
- May 03 20:10:53 <mogonzo> that I'd be personally liable for this fund until it's turned over to the official foundation
- May 03 20:10:56 <mogonzo> if I managed it
- May 03 20:11:08 <mindfox> I believe that many from the community would object to that
- May 03 20:11:19 <mogonzo> that's my concern as well
- May 03 20:11:20 <mindfox> I'm not making a motion
- May 03 20:11:27 <Xip> mogonzo: That's a lot on your shoulders, you could get hacked, do mistakes etc.
- May 03 20:11:27 <Oizopower> 1 question... how do other cryptocoin groups do this?
- May 03 20:11:28 <mogonzo> but we need something to proceed with in the short term
- May 03 20:11:29 <mindfox> just saying from what I saw in the past
- May 03 20:11:31 <mogonzo> I know
- May 03 20:11:39 <mogonzo> but that could happen to anyone as well
- May 03 20:11:47 <mindfox> yes, true that
- May 03 20:11:51 <mogonzo> and I do have a great deal of experience with personal as well as IT security
- May 03 20:12:00 <Xip> mogonzo: Dividing it would make sure we don't lose it all the very least
- May 03 20:12:04 <mogonzo> what about this
- May 03 20:12:17 <mogonzo> we each divide control of the addresses among trusted people in this group
- May 03 20:12:21 <mindfox> that's why I said: exchanges
- May 03 20:12:25 <mogonzo> willing to volunteer themselves in a similar way
- May 03 20:12:46 <mindfox> I do not believe this could be an option
- May 03 20:12:54 <Xip> Again I say we should take some time to think about it, because I have a hard time right now to make up my mind what I think is reasonable. This is a subject I have not put much time into (considering the fact we have all been busy with other things up until now)
- May 03 20:12:56 <mindfox> this would turn people against us for sure (imho)
- May 03 20:13:03 <litepresence> 3 treasurers each with equal funds... anytime something needed to be paid funds were moved to a 4th account and sent from there. ?
- May 03 20:13:11 <mogonzo> I like that idea
- May 03 20:13:17 <mogonzo> and Xip you do make a great point
- May 03 20:13:23 <OdinYggd> Effectively a cold wallet system
- May 03 20:13:25 <mogonzo> and it is possible we could tell the community to wait
- May 03 20:13:34 <Xip> litepresence: This is what I'm thinking of, something along those lines
- May 03 20:13:37 <mogonzo> but people are practically begging to throw money at the foundation at this point
- May 03 20:13:44 <Oizopower> lol
- May 03 20:13:48 <mogonzo> and I'm worried about us missing an opportunity in the short term
- May 03 20:13:54 <Xip> litepresence: But still we should think about it and present what we come up with next meeting. I'll think about it and you do the same
- May 03 20:13:55 <mogonzo> okay let's pause this for now anyway
- May 03 20:13:59 <mogonzo> we're way over the ten minutes
- May 03 20:14:00 <Oizopower> yeah the hype can blow over
- May 03 20:14:10 <OdinYggd> We do already have the donations addresses I am using
- May 03 20:14:10 <mogonzo> so let's talk about scheduling our next meeting
- May 03 20:14:18 <OdinYggd> One final motion
- May 03 20:14:32 <OdinYggd> I move that pending final selection, I will provide btc and WhiteCoin donation addresses for use
- May 03 20:14:41 <OdinYggd> that way next meeting we have funds available to start with
- May 03 20:14:49 <LynchyAU> It would make things easier if we spoke of funds in sub categories rather than just throwing ideas around
- May 03 20:15:14 <litepresence> I think any donation addresses should be disclosed here and now
- May 03 20:15:14 <asoom> lynch what you mean?
- May 03 20:15:23 <OdinYggd> WWBeSGnKpf3mHuVm3CeNwX6MtnEjf4589m
- May 03 20:15:24 <LynchyAU> Such as - Multiple entities control funds (need all entities present) Y/N
- May 03 20:15:36 <LynchyAU> then move on
- May 03 20:15:40 <asoom> lp i think thats good Lynch I see
- May 03 20:15:48 <litepresence> any other "official" donation addresses ?
- May 03 20:15:52 <mogonzo> that's again centralizing control though
- May 03 20:16:08 <OdinYggd> The current wallet balance is 5342 odd change. There should still be around 100 wc in there of my own, but I'll just donate it directly
- May 03 20:16:10 <mogonzo> Odin I am fine with you managing one of the funds, if you're cool with signing some simple papers
- May 03 20:16:18 <OdinYggd> I don't want to manage it long term
- May 03 20:16:21 <mindfox> may I ask something? it just came up to me
- May 03 20:16:24 <OdinYggd> This is just temporary until we get a permanent arrangement
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- May 03 20:21:29 <Xip> WhiteCoin wouldn't be anything if it was not for the community effort that we now know as "WhiteCoin Foundation". I am sure the members will change and we happen to be here for different reasons. But just wanna thank you all for making sure that this coin didn't die.
- <<<< BREAK >>>>
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- May 03 20:31:43 <mogonzo> I'll reopen the floor now:
- May 03 20:31:50 <mogonzo> with a specific angle on the fund raising subject:
- May 03 20:32:10 <mogonzo> we need to agree (or disagree) on appointing an "acting" treasurer
- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
- May 03 20:32:17 <mogonzo> for the first 24-48 hours
- May 03 20:32:26 <mogonzo> I propose we open the discussion
- May 03 20:32:42 <mogonzo> around if we should be pursuing an immediate treasurer/fundraising option
- May 03 20:32:44 <LynchyAU> An acting 3rd party can be appointed in a matter of minutes
- May 03 20:32:58 <mogonzo> excellent
- May 03 20:33:25 <Xip> I don't see the rush, it's just a day
- May 03 20:33:36 <mogonzo> I can understand that
- May 03 20:33:42 <Xip> Or what am I missing?
- May 03 20:33:43 <OdinYggd> All told the existing donation box address is not receiving a torrent of funds
- May 03 20:33:48 <mogonzo> it's more my on line engagement experience that's screaming to me "DO NOT MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY"
- May 03 20:33:52 <mogonzo> if that makes sense?
- May 03 20:33:54 <OdinYggd> Now this may be that it is WhiteCoin only, and a lot of WhiteCoin right now is locked in the exchanges
- May 03 20:33:59 <mogonzo> right
- May 03 20:34:11 <mogonzo> and I've also been saying their are no official donation addresses
- May 03 20:34:12 <OdinYggd> I think the only address that should be added with priority is a btc address, as people may be willing to put up right away
- May 03 20:34:15 <mogonzo> until staking begins and PoW ends
- May 03 20:34:19 <OdinYggd> Correct.
- May 03 20:34:30 <mogonzo> I think that's worth consideration for sure
- May 03 20:34:35 <LynchyAU> Xip: There will be a lot of funds that come in off the bat after recovering from this... It will most likely be the biggest influx over the entire year
- May 03 20:34:38 <mogonzo> but let's keep this focused on if we really do need to act tonight
- May 03 20:34:48 <mogonzo> yah that's my thought Lynchy
- May 03 20:34:57 <OdinYggd> Likewise.
- May 03 20:35:00 <mindfox> I think that people will give more easily their coins now, before the exchanges open
- May 03 20:35:05 <OdinYggd> People see volunteers working and want to compensate them
- May 03 20:35:09 <mogonzo> yeah
- May 03 20:35:11 <mindfox> after they open, if everything goes well, they'll want to keep them
- May 03 20:35:17 <mindfox> if the don't, they won't donate
- May 03 20:35:21 <mindfox> that's my point of view
- May 03 20:35:35 <mindfox> *if things don't go well in the exchanges, I mean
- May 03 20:36:05 <Xip> Is all of this logged? Like is mindfox reflections on how people will react be for everyone to read?
- May 03 20:36:19 <mindfox> I believe it is not, since meeting is over
- May 03 20:36:31 <Xip> Right alright
- May 03 20:36:41 <Xip> So this is not transparent anymore?
- May 03 20:36:52 <mindfox> but even if it is, I do not believe I said something at wrong
- May 03 20:37:01 <Xip> I didn't think so
- May 03 20:37:03 <mindfox> I do not have a problem. That's what I would do
- May 03 20:37:14 <mindfox> well, I wouldn't, but that's what I think most people think
- May 03 20:37:14 <Xip> In fact I would think it would be great it was out there because then they'll see we're kinda transparent..
- May 03 20:37:21 <Xip> It's still a valid point nevertheless
- May 03 20:37:23 <Xip> I agree with you
- May 03 20:37:47 <mindfox> due to the past issues, we are not judged by results of our work
- May 03 20:37:56 <mindfox> but by price increase or decrease on exchanges
- May 03 20:37:59 <mindfox> that's what I think
- May 03 20:38:11 <Xip> Anyway this has been great guys
- May 03 20:38:11 <mindfox> I do believe this is wrong, since we have no control over it, but I think that's a fact
- May 03 20:38:22 <Xip> It's a good way for us to get to know each other as well
- May 03 20:38:27 <mogonzo> :)
- May 03 20:38:36 <mogonzo> technically we're still in session everyone
- May 03 20:38:39 <Xip> And so don't forget you can contact me anytime
- May 03 20:38:39 <mogonzo> tho I think it's reasonable
- May 03 20:38:41 <mogonzo> we can vote on
- May 03 20:38:48 <mogonzo> removing market related speculation
- May 03 20:38:57 <mogonzo> on the basis that it protects users
- May 03 20:39:01 <mogonzo> thoughts?
- May 03 20:39:14 <mindfox> I do not want to comment as it affects me directly
- May 03 20:39:26 <mindfox> I mean, I don't want to vote on that. Others should :)
- May 03 20:39:28 <OdinYggd> Yes. Speculation from us implies official goals for the coin, people could act on that information leading to accusations of manipulation
- May 03 20:39:29 <LynchyAU> I agree, any speculation of expected fund or prices should be removed
- May 03 20:39:33 <mogonzo> as do I
- May 03 20:39:39 <Oizopower> i'm back again :)
- May 03 20:39:39 <mogonzo> yes
- May 03 20:39:45 <mogonzo> I'm thinking even the name of our group should be redacted
- May 03 20:39:46 <Xip> right
- May 03 20:39:52 <Xip> yes
- May 03 20:39:57 <mogonzo> it's motivation for us, that's it
- May 03 20:39:58 <mindfox> oh lol
- May 03 20:39:58 <Xip> Because it's a stupid name
- May 03 20:40:04 <mogonzo> lol
- May 03 20:40:06 <mogonzo> :P
- May 03 20:40:07 <mindfox> I didn't notice that before
- May 03 20:40:10 <mindfox> LOL
- May 03 20:40:13 <mogonzo> well we can always vote for another
- May 03 20:40:14 <Oizopower> Whats the current point of discussion? or are we free styling?
- May 03 20:40:18 <OdinYggd> We are already all under scrutiny for market manipulation because of the tendancy of the coin to swing, and lets face it a few times now I've witnessed the price rising 50 satoshi or more just by making a rally in the channel
- May 03 20:40:41 <mogonzo> very true odin
- May 03 20:40:54 <mindfox> if that's the case, then somebody lent me some coins :D :D :D
- May 03 20:41:01 <mindfox> joking of course
- May 03 20:41:02 <mogonzo> so let's get back to fund raising
- May 03 20:41:07 * asoom has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
- May 03 20:41:11 <mogonzo> absolutely
- May 03 20:41:23 <mogonzo> :D
- May 03 20:41:24 <Xip> Or there will be some other guys sitting in that channel
- May 03 20:41:25 <Xip> haha
- May 03 20:41:29 <mogonzo> lol
- May 03 20:41:33 <mogonzo> no doubt :)
- May 03 20:41:48 <mogonzo> ok
- May 03 20:41:50 <Xip> Well that's far away
- May 03 20:41:55 <mogonzo> :)
- May 03 20:42:09 <mogonzo> So I do stil think we need to come out swinging with fund raising tonight
- May 03 20:42:32 <mogonzo> if I did manage one of or all of the accounts
- May 03 20:42:45 <mogonzo> I would want it to be only until review at the next meeting
- May 03 20:42:51 <mogonzo> and I would be giving you all my personal word
- May 03 20:42:53 <Oizopower> we need to take it while it's hot ;)
- May 03 20:43:04 <Xip> Sure, sure
- May 03 20:43:05 <OdinYggd> Yes. Fund raise while we can.
- May 03 20:43:06 <Xip> It's fine with me
- May 03 20:43:07 <mogonzo> that the wallet I create would be on an off line laptop that would remain offline until we all agree to turn the keys together democratically
- May 03 20:43:15 <OdinYggd> Actually
- May 03 20:43:17 <OdinYggd> Better idea
- May 03 20:43:20 <OdinYggd> Can we fund raise to a paper wallet
- May 03 20:43:27 <mogonzo> interesting
- May 03 20:43:34 <mogonzo> how would you suggest we do that?
- May 03 20:43:34 <Oizopower> nice idea
- May 03 20:43:36 <OdinYggd> The public address is in fact the address of a paper wallet
- May 03 20:43:48 <OdinYggd> and then the key to said wallet is given to the permanent treasurer
- May 03 20:43:51 <mogonzo> I have a safety deposit box
- May 03 20:43:55 <OdinYggd> That would work.
- May 03 20:43:57 <mogonzo> ahhh
- May 03 20:44:00 <mindfox> erm
- May 03 20:44:06 <mindfox> paper wallets have private keys
- May 03 20:44:09 <mogonzo> so I wouldn't be printing them right away
- May 03 20:44:11 <mindfox> so it makes no difference
- May 03 20:44:11 <OdinYggd> Yes they do.
- May 03 20:44:12 <mogonzo> I get you now
- May 03 20:44:22 <mogonzo> I like this idea
- May 03 20:44:24 <OdinYggd> The difference is nobody would know the private key until the day of.
- May 03 20:44:33 <mindfox> ?
- May 03 20:44:41 <mogonzo> and when we create a real foundation with a real bank account, we can keep our paper funds in an actual vault
- May 03 20:44:42 <OdinYggd> If it is done right anyway
- May 03 20:44:42 <mindfox> how can it be nobody?
- May 03 20:44:56 <mogonzo> so what service would we use to do that?
- May 03 20:44:57 <OdinYggd> The mass produced paper wallets are shipped with the private keys already covered up
- May 03 20:45:06 <Oizopower> somebody has to know the private key
- May 03 20:45:08 <Oizopower> :)
- May 03 20:45:12 <Oizopower> or have
- May 03 20:45:12 <Xip> lol
- May 03 20:45:13 <Oizopower> ;)
- May 03 20:45:14 <mindfox> exactly :)
- May 03 20:45:16 <mogonzo> question:
- May 03 20:45:17 <OdinYggd> hmm.
- May 03 20:45:19 <mindfox> someone will know it :)
- May 03 20:45:28 <OdinYggd> Alright. It is of little advantage then
- May 03 20:45:33 <mogonzo> would people still be able to view the funds via the block explorer and see they haven't b een moved after deposit
- May 03 20:45:36 <mogonzo> ?
- May 03 20:45:40 <OdinYggd> They would.
- May 03 20:45:41 <Oizopower> yes
- May 03 20:45:43 <mindfox> yes
- May 03 20:45:48 <mogonzo> excellent
- May 03 20:45:52 <OdinYggd> any valid address is visible in the block explorer
- May 03 20:45:59 <mogonzo> right
- May 03 20:46:00 <OdinYggd> The paper wallet just prints public and private address together, with the private covered up
- May 03 20:46:02 <mindfox> hm, nope
- May 03 20:46:07 <OdinYggd> you can preload and verify it
- May 03 20:46:08 <mindfox> any address with coins
- May 03 20:46:09 <mogonzo> just wanted to make sure I understood hat the paper service wouldn't be transferring our funds
- May 03 20:46:17 <OdinYggd> That's what I meant- any address with a positive balance
- May 03 20:46:22 <mogonzo> I want accountability to be easy for our users
- May 03 20:46:26 <mogonzo> gotcha
- May 03 20:46:27 <mindfox> if there is no transaction, address is non-existent
- May 03 20:46:27 <mogonzo> okay
- May 03 20:46:33 <mindfox> even if it is valid
- May 03 20:46:34 <mogonzo> so do we know of a reliable service to use for this?
- May 03 20:46:37 <Xip> I'm personally fine with Mogonzo taking the donations temporarily until we find a permanent solution
- May 03 20:46:38 <Oizopower> an idea: create 1 deposit address... create 5 different addresses >> the deposit address will be split to 5 addresses every week
- May 03 20:46:39 <mogonzo> and will it work for WC?
- May 03 20:46:41 <Xip> That's all I got to say atm
- May 03 20:46:53 <Oizopower> so 5 people have a share
- May 03 20:46:56 <OdinYggd> I don't think there is a paper wallet service for WhiteCoin
- May 03 20:46:58 <Oizopower> with there own private key
- May 03 20:47:00 <mogonzo> how about this
- May 03 20:47:01 <mindfox> mogonzo: addresses are using the same algorithm to be created
- May 03 20:47:03 <OdinYggd> and they take several days to receive the physical paper
- May 03 20:47:07 <mindfox> they just have a variable
- May 03 20:47:11 <mogonzo> okay
- May 03 20:47:13 <mindfox> the address scheme used
- May 03 20:47:15 <mogonzo> I really like this paper wallet idea
- May 03 20:47:22 <mogonzo> my only concern is getting it up and running tonight
- May 03 20:47:28 <mogonzo> in time for launch
- May 03 20:47:30 <mogonzo> so what about this:
- May 03 20:47:36 <mogonzo> compromise between the two proposals
- May 03 20:47:56 <OdinYggd> I don't think we could get a paper wallet produced and delivered in that timeframe without it being a DIY that could have a compromised private key.
- May 03 20:47:57 <mogonzo> my temporary control via my offline laptop, would end once we have a relaible paper wallet service available
- May 03 20:48:09 <mogonzo> then I transfer to that service immediately with the consent of the team
- May 03 20:48:16 <mogonzo> yes that's my concern
- May 03 20:48:18 <OdinYggd> This could work.
- May 03 20:48:26 <Oizopower> what about my idea? so we have not all the funds at one person
- May 03 20:48:35 <mogonzo> I agree with that
- May 03 20:48:43 <mogonzo> but again for transparency and accountability
- May 03 20:48:47 <mogonzo> whoever controls those other funds
- May 03 20:48:50 <Oizopower> its transparent that way
- May 03 20:48:52 <OdinYggd> Oizopower's solution is also viable. Set up wallets on a server with a script to divide up incoming funds into the storage wallets.
- May 03 20:48:54 <mogonzo> needs to be willing to fully identify themselves to me privately
- May 03 20:48:58 <OdinYggd> It would be transparent on the blockchain
- May 03 20:49:03 <mogonzo> and sign some papers taking responsibility of their art of the fund
- May 03 20:49:25 <mogonzo> if anyone in here is wiling to do that, then the foundation has legal recourse and thefore assurance to the public
- May 03 20:49:40 <mogonzo> and I will of course fully identify my contact information to this group
- May 03 20:49:56 <mogonzo> and sign a document taking liability for the fund until the foundation is set up
- May 03 20:50:16 <Xip> I think it sounds fair
- May 03 20:50:16 <litepresence> I'm anon. I have no interest in taking this responsibility.
- May 03 20:50:25 <mogonzo> I was too until I was outed, heh
- May 03 20:50:28 <mogonzo> but now I am where I am
- May 03 20:50:40 <mogonzo> it's nothing against anonymity, it's just because we're dealing with money :)
- May 03 20:51:06 <mogonzo> okay are there any objections to this temporary measure?
- May 03 20:51:23 <mogonzo> I feel like we're close to consensus but want to give anyone with final concerns the opportunity to speak
- May 03 20:51:36 <litepresence> On a temporary level I think you should post contact info to the record and assume control of finances for the next 72 hours mogonzo
- May 03 20:51:42 <OdinYggd> Money requires accountability. Especially with the coming future of regulated crypto. I am not comfortable handling accounting matters long term, but as I already hold a temporary funding box I would be okay with mogonzo also holding one
- May 03 20:52:02 <OdinYggd> Once we establish a permanent accounting system, all temporary funds will be released to the permanent structure
- May 03 20:52:02 <mogonzo> I am fine with that
- May 03 20:52:32 <mogonzo> I'd prefer my cell stay off the record but will provide my full mailing address if we proceed, as well as my full legal name, and doc as we discussed
- May 03 20:52:40 <mogonzo> agreed completely Odin
- May 03 20:52:53 <Xip> Clock is 2 AM here now, again as I've said I entrust Mogonzo in this
- May 03 20:52:59 <mogonzo> thanks Xip :)
- May 03 20:53:12 <mogonzo> sending you a quick pm
- May 03 20:53:48 <litepresence> fact of the matter is we're not talking about $50k we're looking at donations in the sub $10k level for damn sure over the next 72 hours. Generally I'd trust any of you with it for the time being.
- May 03 20:53:49 <mogonzo> okay Im' going to call for a vote on this in 30 seconds, Xip's has been recorded, I will naturally abstain from this vote
- May 03 20:54:37 <litepresence> Y mogonzo temp treasurer
- May 03 20:54:39 <mindfox> for fund-raising, I also agree for mogonzo if he's the only one up to this. But not for fund-spending. I believe spending should be discussed here with all people present, since there are no procedures for it yet
- May 03 20:55:01 <Xip> mindfox: For sure, that's not what I voted on. So I'd presume that is the case
- May 03 20:55:09 <Oizopower> agree with mindfox
- May 03 20:55:15 <litepresence> so lets add that then... 72 hour spending freeze
- May 03 20:55:31 <litepresence> Mogonzo as treasurer for 72 hour call of duty w/ freeze on all spending
- May 03 20:55:36 <mogonzo> We are now voting upon the temporary measure discussed to allow for fundraising to begin: Mogonzo will fully identify himself into the record, sign a document taking liabliity and control of the fund, and his control of the fund shall not exceed 72 hours without review by the leaderhsip team, this plan will be presented to the public, and no funds will be disbursed (spent) without concent of the leaderhsip
- May 03 20:55:36 <mogonzo> team
- May 03 20:55:43 <mogonzo> please cast your votes
- May 03 20:55:46 <OdinYggd> y.
- May 03 20:55:53 <litepresence> Y
- May 03 20:55:53 <mindfox> y
- May 03 20:55:54 <Oizopower> y
- May 03 20:55:58 <Oizopower> fixed
- May 03 20:55:59 <Oizopower> =]
- May 03 20:56:13 <litepresence> opposed?
- May 03 20:56:25 <Oizopower> not much here anymore discussing
- May 03 20:56:48 <mogonzo> sounds like motion carried, I'll leave the voting open for a couple more minutes :)
- May 03 20:56:50 <litepresence> Xip?
- May 03 20:57:04 <litepresence> I believe he already said yes prior to 72 hour spending freeze
- May 03 20:57:06 <mogonzo> btw, thank you to everyone for the trust you're willing to place in me, I'm quite humbled by all this. really.
- May 03 20:57:16 <mogonzo> yes that's correct he voted Y
- May 03 20:57:20 <litepresence> that's all of us present essentially
- May 03 20:57:26 <mogonzo> sounds like motion carried then
- May 03 20:57:33 <mogonzo> I better prep this doc
- [REDACTED] MOGONZO AS TREASURER DISCLOSED HIS PERSONAL CONTACT INFO TO THE BOARD
- May 03 20:58:28 <mogonzo> lol slim shady
- May 03 20:58:40 <mogonzo> anyone who would like my personal cell number
- May 03 20:58:42 <mindfox> age? height? weight? this is essential info
- May 03 20:58:46 <mindfox> :D
- May 03 20:58:49 <mogonzo> please PM me requesting it and I will provide
- May 03 20:58:49 <OdinYggd> I believe the address I have will continue to receive funds until the PoW shutdown takes place. Should I also hold all outgoing transactions for 72 hours? Or should I release the funds to mogonzo's box once he has created an address
- May 03 20:58:59 <Oizopower> need a picture mogonzo
- May 03 20:59:00 <Oizopower> :P
- May 03 20:59:05 <mogonzo> hah
- May 03 20:59:05 <Oizopower> high res
- May 03 20:59:06 <mogonzo> Odin:
- May 03 20:59:10 <mogonzo> I think it's best that you keep those there
- May 03 20:59:19 <mogonzo> I like that we have at least a little temporary decentralization
- May 03 20:59:25 <OdinYggd> Same. Just making sure. Will enforce a 72 hour outgoing transaction hold.
- May 03 20:59:34 <mogonzo> I wil also be transferring what's left of the 6K WC that the original devteam transferred me
- May 03 20:59:35 <mogonzo> into the fund
- May 03 20:59:49 <mogonzo> thanks man :)
- May 03 21:00:02 <mindfox> lol, that's what's left?
- May 03 21:00:04 <OdinYggd> At this point the only WC of my own remaining in that wallet is perhaps 100WC, and I will just donate that.
- May 03 21:00:05 <mindfox> wow
- May 03 21:00:05 <mindfox> :D
- May 03 21:00:07 <Oizopower> wow
- May 03 21:00:32 <Oizopower> 6K left from original dev lol
- May 03 21:00:40 <Xip> How much did the original devteam transfer you and what has that been used for?
- May 03 21:00:43 <mindfox> not only the original dev
- May 03 21:00:49 <mindfox> there were 2 in this...
- [REDACTED]
- I'd call this meting to a close now :)
- May 03 21:02:45 <mogonzo> thank you to everyone for being here
- May 03 21:02:55 <mogonzo> we banged out consensus on some really complicated issues
- May 03 21:03:08 <mogonzo> I cant' thank you all enough for your hard work and dedication through this.
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