Dorian
Im choosing to swap Staraptor for Pinisir in OU

Jacob
Pinsir is OU?

Dorian
Mega is BL

Jacob
So you'd have to use it as a Mega if you use it?

Dorian
No

Andrew
If it's mega is a tier, that Pokemon itself will be considered that tier.

Dorian
We put it in ou so like gallade to allow u to choose either mega or non

Meagan
Mold breaker pinsir is a good rock setter if your opponent has a magic bouncer

Dorian
It gets rocks??

Meagan
I believe so

Jacob
So, you're upgrading a pokemon, to it's highest viable teir, based on use as a mega, though you may use it as a 4th UU or whatever? Makes no sense.

Dorian
This isnt new

Jacob
Still doesn't make much sense.
I think that's something we need to address for Season 2.

Meagan
Makes plenty sense, it can only be used as one or the other in a battle, as you only get 1 pinsir in battle

Andrew
Gallade is nu
Mega Gallade is ou
For that reason we consider both ou and you can use it for either its mega or not.

Jacob
If you want to stick to the 3 per teir, you have to pick a pokemon, mega or not, and use it as your pick, for the tier in which you'll use it. Ie: Mega Pinsir would be an OU pick.
And Pinsir would be one of your UU picks, or whatever tier it's in.

Jen
Round up (you know math rounding it up)
So together it's the higher teir

Jacob
Also, slightly off topic, but I think the new Baton Pass Clashse, is f***ing stupid.
Clause*

Andrew
What is the new baton pass clause?

Dorian
We said mega and non counts as one

Jacob
Andrew: Passing one stat only.

Meagan
1 BP user a team, can only pass speed or either attack stat, not both

Dorian
Thats not that new i noticed that like a month ago

Andrew
That is stupid!
Meagan
relatively new compared to the rest of the clauses

Dorian
Not really stupid nobody wants metagross or altaria to get too many boosts

Jacob
Dorian: Clearly you're still missing the point. I'm disagreeing with the principle. Three per teir, and yet, we can just partially ignore it. If you want to use a Mega that is OU, you should have to clarify it's a mega, and use it as your pick for it's ACTUAL tier. Not 2-3 tiers above it's viability

Andrew
This makes Ninjask useless!

Jen
Anyway, Hyper Voices is dropping LEAFEON for WARTORTLE in NU

Meagan
Jake by your logic any OU mega would count as 2 OU picks

Dorian
So wat ur saying jacob is i would need to draft mega pinisir and pinisir?

Jacob
Meagan: Clearly you don't understand plain English either. O.o No. You would need to PICK ONE OF IT'S USES, Mega or not, and use that as your pick dependant on the tier. Ie: If you pick Pinsir, you MUST choose before hand, mega or not. If you choose Mega, it's ONE of your three OU picks. If you choose non mega it's ONE of your picks for UU.

 My idea for Baton Pass, Season 2: Get over it, deal with the passer and quit being a whiny *****. I agree there should be SOME restriction, but one user, one stat is moronic.

Andrew
The Brave Birds swap Blastoise for Milotic in UU!

Jacob
Passers are invincible.
aren't*

Andrew
Our match proved that.

Jen
Jacob you didn't do that for your pick with charazard and with garchomp

Jacob
If you let a pokemon get enough stats boosts, to pass +2 Atk, +2 Speed, or more, you deserve to lose anyways.

Dorian
By ur logic shouldnt u just say wat item all ur pokemon have?  Choosing if to mega or not is an item choice much like leftovers and choice items

Jacob
Yeah, you're right. I didn't. Cuz I was following the rules that you guys came up with.

Andrew
Why didn't you argue about it then?

Jen
And you have absol mega

Jacob
It's much more important that normal items. Because normal items don't change a pokemons tier.
I am arguing about it. I have since day 1.

Andrew
Oh. Sorry.

Jacob
Yeah, and both Absol, and Mega, are UU. Or were when I picked. So what?

Jen
So I don't know why your making dorian have to choose now when you and know one else did
Your telling dorian hey you can only choice one mega when you didn't have to and no one else has to

Meagan
Hey Jake, See Chansey, see golbat, Doublade

Dorian
Normal items do affect wat tier a pokemon is in

Jacob
None of my pokes that can be mega, are in two different tiers, based on if they have their mega stone or not. So it's doesn't matter! None of my pokes change teir, without or without mega.
See what? Cool Eviolite users? Who pie. That's not exactly a "normal" item. There are exceptions.

Meagan
and yet Jake, they can be used in different ways so it does matter

Jacob
Whoopie*

Dorian
How is eviolite not normal??? Wats normal and not normal then???

Jen
But your making it so that dorian needs too empty two spots for the same Pokemon with a item on it

Andrew
There ar lots of mons with different sets that are in different tiers

Dorian
Pretty sure all hold items r still in the same pocket nothing dividing them

Jacob
All I'm saying, is for season 2, IF a pokemon changes a tier, by adding Eviolite, or a mega stone, you should have to choose the tier the build you'll use is in. Not the highest possible tier.

Dorian
No

Jacob
You clearly can't count Jen.

Cutler
We draft the mon, not the set

Jen
What!?!

Andrew
That means there's almost no surprise

Dorian
For every game y dont u just tell ur opponent every move u make and wat item and ev spread

Jen
No you can make different sets with the same Pokemon witch is suppose to have an element of surprise

Meagan
but Jake, you're missing the point, there's no way to tell if a pokemon's tier would change with or without any item, Greninja probably wouldn't be uber if it wasn't for life orb, how many pokemon are OU because of life orb? we don't know it's impossible to keep track of

Andrew
If there's no surprise, that takes the fun out of it.

Jacob
I've explained myself enough times. Most of you are pissing me off, with an inability to read simple words. So I'll make a post attempting to simplify what I'm trying to explain. So that HOPEFULLY certain people will understand.

Jen
Also so I can't have any Eeveelution or any for of rot because it changes teir

Dorian
NO SHUT UP JACOB WE UNDERSTAND U RUDE JERK

Jen
Rotom*

Jacob
There's still plently of "Surprise". Mega Pinsir can run many different useful sets.

Jen
But what if I want to mega something else that week instead

Andrew
There are also different items that can bring surprises.

Jen
And just have regular pinsir

Dorian
Ur saying that megas and non megs should be count as different pokemon we disagree with the idea cause it runs the games strategy aspetic if i habe to tell u wat im using

Jacob
That excuse is invalid. Movesets don't affect teir. Some items, abilities do as well, sure.

Cutler
Bullshit

Dorian
Movesets effect tier thats y greninja got banned

Jen
I'm done with this jerk
Jen Croall left the group.

Dorian
At this point hes just been proven wrong time and time again and he only wants to be right when hes not

Jacob
Pretty sure it was Greninja's stats and ability more than item...Like I said, I'll make a post. Try and read it all. It'll be very completely. You're an idiot Dorian. I AM right. If you want to obey the three per tier part, you have to draft certain pokemon differently, as they are special cases.

Andrew
OBJECTION!!!

Jacob
It'll be very complete and simple.*

Cutler
I was just about to say that Andrew

Meagan
Greninja would miss out of very important KOs if not for the life orb, it was also more of greninja's movepool

Andrew
Gunk shot, anyone?

Dorian
7m not an idoit ur not riht u have a bunch telling u u r wrong u just dont listen and greninja ONLY got banned once they added gunk shot

Jacob
Like I said, Life Orb isn't the most important part. The Ability is #1. Without that, none of the other shenanigans would be possible.

Cutler
If the ability is the reason, then why isn't Kecleon banned too
Meagan
it was the movepool + ability, the movepool is equally important

Dorian
But still doesnt change hes banned u cant use greninja with torrent without life orb

Jacob
I have a bunch of people who don't understand logic, and principles. That's not me being right, or wrong. That's me understanding, that you set a list of rules, and then broke them, and are now being rather ignorant, and arrogant.

Andrew
True, but gunk shot made it overpowered.

Jacob
Because Kecleon has shitty stats, and a much smaller move pool.

Andrew
We've been following the same rules since the beginning.

Jacob
I never once said movepool had nothing to do with Greninja ban.

Meagan
"Movepools don't affect tiers"
Cutler Bailey added Jen Croall.

Dorian
Wat rule did i make then break? We said at the beginning that pokemon with megas would be moved up in tiers to use in the same tier as the mega so u can pick gallade and use either its mega or not

Jacob
Oh god forbid, one exception. Shut up.

Andrew
Well gunk shot was the just the icing on the cake.

Dorian
PROVEN WRONG@0!!!

Jacob
That breaks the 3 per tier rule. Idiot.

Cutler
The culprit........is you

Jen
Hi again bitches!! Jacob you are not the leader of this so you have now reason at all to be making up rules just so they fucking benefit you

Andrew
Nice one cutler.

Jacob
If you use Mega Pinsir, with say, Garchomp, Azumarill, and Landorus, you have 4 OU. Which is more than 3.  Learn to count.

Dorian
No it doesnt pinisir is my ou pick not uu so i would have pinisir venusaur and kyurem

Jacob
It's an example. O.o

Dorian
I wouldnt be allowed all four learn to listen

Jacob
I don't care to listen. You're being an ass. If it's your OU pick, you shouldn't be able to use it non mega, and non mega, is NOT OU.
Do you understand yet?

Jen
We made this rule at the beginning of the season so you learn to read next time and shut up

Andrew
It's funny how ignorant you are being, Jacob
Meagan

We decided back when we did the draft that pokemon with megas in a BL would be considered the same tier as that mega... how are you not understanding that Jake?

Dorian
I cant use both in a game if i use pinisir it could be either mega or not i cant use both pinisirs

Andrew
That's the exception

Meagan
I have to go catch a ferry... later

Jacob
And I'm attempting to suggest this a change for season 2. Clearly you're more concerned about "correcting" and "showing me why I'm "wrong"", than paying attention,

Dorian
So like i have pinisir i can bring mega one week then non the next but i cant bring mega and non the same week
Ok suggwstion is gonna be used

Jen
We will discuss season two when we fucking cross that bridge

Andrew
Pinsir and mega pinsir are not different Pokemon

Dorian
Isnt*

Jacob
Andrew, you have 0 right to comment on my lack of maturity. Mr. 6-0 by Hitmonlee and then dc so I can't save that battle.

Jen
Stop being a dick Jacob

Dorian
Jacob uve literally insulted everyone ill ask u to leave

Cutler
That's just how Andrew is as a person. Stop attacking at a personal level

Jacob
I'm not. It's not okay to call me a dick, when other people are being one too Jen. So Idc.
Idc Dorian. You guys haven't been polite either. Hypocrite.

Andrew
Okay. I said over and over that I'm sorry. I'll admit I overreacted. But you were just being an ass about it! You have no idea what it's like to feel like there's something you love and feel like you suck at it!
That's because you were a dick first!

Jacob
I'll attack anyone I want, for rage quitting. I don't like losing either, but it's part of life.

Dorian
Actually u insulted us first so ur the hypocrite

Jen
You are insulting everyone but when a little girl like me comes along and calls you a dick it's the end of the world to poor Jacob

Jacob
Believe me Andrew, that's where I started, I practised a lot, to get where I am now. I'm not the best, by any means.

Cutler
Andrew, listen, it's the kind of person that you are, and your beliefs are yours when it comes to believing you suck at something you love. Do not let him get to you

Jacob
I never once insulted his abilities. I just hate rage quits.

Veronica
Not picking sides or anything but this kind of all got blown out of proportion when you assumed we where all idiotic and to stupid to read your explanations.
If you went about it in a more calm and collective way. Maybe that would have helped.

Jen
Thank you tofu

Dorian
We were just trying to explain to the rule we had at the beginning when u started insulting us

Andrew
I'm trying not to but it's hard when he's being a jerk about it and constantly bringing it up.

Cutler
Thank you Tofu

Andrew
Thank you tofu

Jacob
Excuse me Andrew? You've beaten me before, you've also had better battles against me. So what if I 6-0'd you, ONE TIME? It doesn't mean you suck.

Dorian
He is right but jacob andrew is just asking to not bring it up if u could

Jacob
I'm going to finish this season, because I'm not a quitter, but Idk if I'm going to want to do another season with this group. I don't it all think I can deal with the negitivity. It all started with what was a polite piece of advice on how to improve for season 2. Nowhere did I say we had to change things TODAY.

Jacob
I don't at all*

Jen
But anything for season two will start after week ten no suggestions until further notice thank you

Cutler
Agreed

Andrew
Agreed.

Jacob
If I can think of something that could improve our current group, I'll state in whenever I please. I understand it may not take effect before season 2.

Dorian
Then understand that it will be discussed as u say it or ignored

Jen
I just think the leaders of the group should figure out season two and then take and discuss suggestions at that time
Suggestions are welcome but private message the leaders or wait till week ten so everyone can discuss it

Andrew
I second that.

Cutler
Third it