#nv: ~workshop new
@BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
#nv: Ok so the idea behind the team was to start with Special Charizard since it can overwhelm common special Fire checks such as Thick Fat Yama and Miltank
#nv: We added Kabutops for spin support + a powerful physical attacker
#nv: Shiftry was added next to take on Rotom and Water-types for the core
@erisia: ~workshop add Special Charizard
@BB-8-NU: Special Charizard added
@erisia: ~workshop add Kabutops
@BB-8-NU: Kabutops added
@erisia: ~workshop add Shiftry
@BB-8-NU: Shiftry added
@erisia: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Special Charizard / Kabutops / Shiftry
  Earth: hey
@erisia: o/
#nv: Hi Earth
  AssassinRogue: hi Nv
#nv: Hey
  Fragmented: bb8 is back!
  AssassinRogue: eternallies bro
  AssassinRogue: :#
@Eternally: hi ar
#nv: Hmm fairly small workshop :x
@erisia: please look up for details on how we came up with the starting core
@erisia: so we have hazard control sorted in either shiftry or kabutops (or both), what other roles need to be filled to support zard?
  PursuitOfHappiny: Is it Scarf Kabu?
#nv: Atm no
@Eternally: n, Life Orb
#nv: It is LO
@Eternally: Scarf doesnt quite give enough reliability with spinning that zard needs
  PursuitOfHappiny: LO Zard too?
@erisia: yeah we're going special so LO helps break stuff
  Fragmented: wat about sunny day zard?
  Earth: uh no
  PursuitOfHappiny: Expert Belt is nice too i think
  Earth: i prefer LO
@erisia: actually we could turn this into a sun team lol, but zard itself probably shouldn't run sunny day
  Fragmented: 3 attacks and roost right?
  Earth: Yes
#nv: For another day imo erisia
#nv: lol
@erisia: okay
  Earth: fire blast hp grass air slash
  Earth: roost
#nv: Where do we go from here tho
#nv: I feel like the team itself needs more speed
#nv: Like it has 2 priority users
#nv: But it still feels slow
  0NI ///: Torterra sr ?
  Fragmented: tailwind on something?
  Earth: ~ws team
  Earth: ugh
  Earth: Can some1 do it
@Eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Special Charizard / Kabutops / Shiftry
+Earth: thank you
+Earth: i'm not really finding the team slow atm
+Earth: We could use scarf kabu if it's a problem to you
#nv: Yea true
#nv: I feel like a Ground type would be nice
#nv: And we need hazards ofc
  Fragmented: sandslash
@erisia: steelix?
#nv: So what about Piloswine?
#nv: Oh Lix works too lol
@erisia: also gives us a stronger normal resist
@Eternally: I like Lix, cause atm we're a bit kanga weak
#nv: Do we wanna go Special Lix or Tank?
@erisia: yeah and if we add like don we'll have problems with like hp rock lilligant
@erisia: like like like
+Earth: Tank imo
@erisia: i think regular tank is a good shout, that and shiftry gives us fairly reliable responses to psychics
@Eternally: Special is mostly better on offense, but I think tank fits better here for what we need
  0NI ///: sd shiftry ?
@Eternally: defog
@erisia: well we can decide on sets more thoroughly later imo
#nv: So Lix then?
@erisia: we don't necessarily need both spin and defog if zard is our only hazard weak mon
#nv: ~workshop add Steelix
@BB-8-NU: Steelix added
#nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Special Charizard / Kabutops / Shiftry / Steelix
#nv: Ok so now we have a solid Normal resist and hazards
  0NI ///: Need a magcheck
#nv: And another Psychic-type check
  Fragmented: looks solid
#nv: Magmortar is looking to be an issue, yes
  Fragmented: mismagius could be annoying imo
@erisia: idk zard stops mismagius pretty well
@erisia: unless it runs twave i guess
  Fragmented: on the off chance its timid t-bolt
  Fragmented: but shadow ball still hurts
#nv: Actually
#nv: We are really Fighting weak
+Earth: Garbodor
@erisia: yeah we need a proper fighting check
  0NI ///: What do u think about grumpig colbur
@erisia: not a fighting check
  0NI ///: check mag and fight
#nv: Garb looks rly nice
  0NI ///: hmmm k
@erisia: yama CC probably does like 50
#nv: Esp. if we go Spin on Kabu
  0NI ///: So use poison/psy core ?
  Fragmented: waht about muk
@erisia: that puts a lot of pressure on kabutops for spinning
  Fragmented: even though its shit
@erisia: pain split weezing could be good
+Earth: i don't like weezing honestly
+Earth: i'd put garb here
+Earth: just my opinion idk about you guys
#nv: I mean Garb absorbs TSpikes for Kabu
@Eternally: you could go scarf sprit + garb
#nv: So it isn't forced to get poisoned to spin
@erisia: yeah garb + spin kabu sounds okay, and then we can use a different shiftry set
+Earth: yh nv
@erisia: like SD or mixed explosion
+Earth: mixed eplosion
+Earth: is my fav
  0NI ///: Pref mixed
#nv: Ok so Garb then
@erisia: ngl i like the idea of SD shiftry as a wincon after zard wallbreaks
#nv: ^
#nv: ~workshop add Garbodor
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor added
#nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Special Charizard / Kabutops / Shiftry / Steelix / Garbodor
#nv: We need a Ground check now
  0NI ///: So need magcheck now
  0NI ///: too
+Earth: hmm
  Fragmented: i was saying muk
+Earth: oh god
@erisia: !ds levitate, nu
+Earth: no way
#nv: Earth?
#nv: lol
+Earth: i hate muk lol
#nv: Oh lol
@erisia: yeah we're not doing muk lol
  Fragmented: could tank fire blast tho
@erisia: some offensive mesprit set sounds interesting
  0NI ///: mag is annoying
+Earth: If we put mesprit here then yeah mag can seriously damage us
@erisia: well we'd presumably have kabu aqua jet + shiftry to deal with it to an extent
#nv: Yea Shiftry outspeeds and Kabu can force it out with Aqua Jet
  Fragmented: but we'd have to sac something first
@erisia: yeah that's not ideal
+Earth: yh i mean we cant properly
+Earth: switch into it
+Earth: without risking to sac a mon
  Fragmented: miltank looks good
+Earth: We could put SR miltank over lix and find another normal resist i guess?
  0NI ///: hmmm
#nv: How about Rotom in last slot and Miltank > Lix?
  0NI ///: yh rotom or mis
@erisia: even then does miltank take a focus blast
@erisia: i don't think walling mag is an outright necessity
@erisia: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Special Charizard / Kabutops / Shiftry / Steelix / Garbodor
#nv: I mean Discharge Rotom in the last slot can cripple Mag
+Earth: I use chople + twave usually if i have a mag weakness and i wanna use miltank
+Earth: but thats just me
  Fragmented: 252+ SpA Life Orb Magmortar Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Miltank: 364-429 (92.3 - 108.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
  0NI ///: if we use steelix we need roar for dd rhydon imo
  Fragmented: 252+ SpA Life Orb Magmortar Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 240+ SpD Miltank: 333-393 (84.5 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+Earth: thats why i run chople!
+Earth: then you twave it and it should be good
  Fragmented: do mags run focus blast that often?
  MaroGod: I miss it all again?
+Earth: Yes
@erisia: alternatively we can run regirock as our rocker and have a different ground type?
  MaroGod: nb
+Earth: focus blast is a common move
+Earth: and hey marogod
@erisia: twave support for zard sounds nice
#nv: !ds ground type, nu
  MaroGod: o/ planet
@erisia: or maybe an electric immune instead
  0NI ///: Dd rhydon is annoying too
@erisia: !ds volt absorb
+Earth: as an electric immunity
+Earth: we can use gastro
+Earth: well idk
  0NI ///: hm
  0NI ///: not bad imo
  MaroGod: Whats the team so far?
+Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Special Charizard / Kabutops / Shiftry / Steelix / Garbodor
@erisia: 252 Atk Life Orb Kabutops Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 177-218 (50.4 - 62.1%)
@erisia: why is this a thing
#nv: lol erisia
  Fragmented: aj + sucker punch kills right?
@erisia: 252+ Atk Life Orb Shiftry Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 90-107 (25.6 - 30.4%)
@erisia: no
  0NI ///: Weezing > Garbo
  0NI ///: ?
  MaroGod: Not caught up on the whole thing atm but doesnt Torterra fix the problem of switching into rhydon and elec immunity
  MaroGod: ?
@Eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Special Charizard / Kabutops / Shiftry / Steelix / Garbodor
@erisia: it does, we could run torterra + a different fighting resist but we'd need a good ice resist
  0NI ///: What do u think about weezing
  0NI ///: levitate + tspikes + wow
@erisia: i think weezing over garb is a good fit tbh
#nv: Yea
#nv: We don't rly need hazard stack
  MaroGod: im down
#nv: And the ground weakness is big
#nv: ~workshop remove Garbodor
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor removed
#nv: ~workshop remove Weezing
@BB-8-NU: Weezing is not in the team
#nv: ~workshop add Weezing
@BB-8-NU: Weezing added
  0NI ///: hm
#nv: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Special Charizard / Kabutops / Shiftry / Steelix / Weezing
#nv: Now we really just need a Mag check tbh
  0NI ///: Lanturn / Grumpig
  MaroGod: i still like
  MaroGod: tort over lix
  0NI ///: no marogod
  0NI ///: normal check
  MaroGod: Everything is really laggy so sorry f im not caught up
  0NI ///: grumpig last slot or yama
#nv: Yama looks rly nice
#nv: Ngl
@erisia: i like yama
@erisia: we need an ice resist too
#nv: Yea
  MaroGod: there we are
#nv: ~ws add Hariyama
@BB-8-NU: Hariyama added
#nv: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Special Charizard / Kabutops / Shiftry / Steelix / Weezing / Hariyama
@erisia: so now we should just focus on the sets
#nv: So anyone wanna fill in the sets and grab a game?
@erisia: i can't play atm
  0NI ///: charizard expert belt or lo
  MaroGod: ill take on the team with my own
#nv: LO for Zard
#nv: Fire Blast, Air Slash, HP Grass, Roost
  0NI ///: yh
@erisia: but we need to decide on sets for shiftry and yama
@erisia: like what coverage will yama run
@erisia: i don't think we need dual priority
  MaroGod: SE would be nice
  0NI ///: av 252 atk+ 128/128
  0NI ///: ?
@erisia: we already have steelix for EQ is guess
#nv: I like Stone Edge Yama
  0NI ///: Cc knock off stone edge bp
@erisia: also yama usually runs 252 atk / 252 SpD with some speed creep
#nv: Ok so Shiftry
#nv: erisia wanted SD right?
@erisia: SD or explosion? i feel like we have enough wallbreaker support already and SD gives us a better matchup vs offense
  0NI ///: sd/explosion knock sp leaf blade
  0NI ///: ?
@erisia: which is nice considering the team is kinda slow
  0NI ///: sd looks nice
#nv: I like the looks of SD
#nv: And Shiftry forces enough switches to get to +2 tbh
@erisia: ok, someone build the team and get some games so we can see if anything needs patching
  Fragmented: http://hastebin.com/ubosatenoy.md
  0NI ///: kabutops sd/superpower rapid spin waterfall stone edge ?
  Fragmented: shiftry set is currently mixed tho
@erisia: i don't think we're doing scarf kabu
@erisia: just LO with waterfall / stone edge / aqua jet / rapid spin
#nv: Yea we are doing LO
@erisia: with that in mind do we still want SE on yama?
  Fragmented: http://hastebin.com/nakazulenu.md
@erisia: we could even run like thunder punch
  MaroGod: Not too shabby
  0NI ///: Jolly kabutops
  MaroGod: would be nice for zard
  Fragmented: oh right :P
  0NI ///: or adamant
@erisia: also that weezing set
  0NI ///: Leaf blade > Seed bomb
@erisia: should probably have pain split over flamethrower
  0NI ///: fragmented
@erisia: because we have steelix for sub klinklang
  0NI ///: yh
#nv: Yea
  Fragmented: anything else before i post the finalised team?
  Fragmented: jolly or adamant on shiftry
  0NI ///: weezing : wow sb toxic spikes taunt ?
 hate charizard: in
  0NI ///: or pain split > tspikes
  Fragmented: sb tspikes wilo painsplit currently
#nv: Eternally is in rn
#nv: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-396443580
 hate charizard: of course he brought solrock the zard counter
  Fragmented: he's isnt using the updated team lol
++Earth: ty
#nv: Np
#nv: :)
  Fragmented: http://hastebin.com/uhumefeqiv.md if nothing needs to be changed, this should be the one we can agree on
#nv: I mean Speed Creep on Yama and maybe Toxic on Steelix
  0NI ///: 108 speed
@@erisia: also you should probably battle on your main so you can test it against mid/high ladder lol
  0NI ///: nv we use toxic steelix we need taunt weezing pour malamar n ?
  0NI ///: if*
#nv: Oh true
  0NI ///: for
  MaroGod: Eternally fite me next
#nv: :o
 hate charizard: ok
  0NI ///: And we have tspikes nv
@@erisia: also ngl i like the idea of EQ on yama so we can lure poisons like garb so that shiftry can sweep
@@erisia: i don't think we need fake out
#nv: Yea
#nv: EQ seems better on Yama
  Fragmented: eq>fake out
 hate charizard: how come we have roar on lix
  0NI ///: Dont like fake out :x
  Fragmented: mb
 hate charizard: oh tspikes weezing
 hate charizard: nvm then
  0NI ///: http://hastebin.com/vujufisego.md
  0NI ///: ?
#nv: Looks good 0NI
#nv: :)
  0NI ///: so
  0NI ///: flamethrower or pain split
 hate charizard: malamar is extremely annoying if we dont run taunt
  0NI ///: yh
@@erisia: pain split imo for my earlier reason
  0NI ///: but should we use stone edge > roar stellix ?
@@erisia: wisp / bomb / taunt / split
@@erisia: i don't think stone edge lix is necessary when we have kabutops
#nv: Do we want Toxic on Lix since no more TSpikes on Weezing?
@@erisia: yes
 hate charizard: ye
@@erisia: definitely
  0NI ///: looks good
 hate charizard: http://pastebin.com/8PhxhKBf
#nv: I think we are good now :o
@@erisia: okay cool
  0NI ///: http://hastebin.com/oxepoguzaj.md
  0NI ///: Oh
  0NI ///: outspeed
 hate charizard: added in EQ over Fake Out on yama, Pain Split/Taunt on weezing, toxic on steelix
 hate charizard: put black glasses over life orb on shiftry
#nv: hate charizard, why Lonely and 4 SpA
#nv: Just Adamant and 4 SpD
 hate charizard: oh that was from the previous pastebin
 hate charizard: just move it into spdef
 hate charizard: and adamant
  0NI ///: Jolly kabutops or adamant
++Earth: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Special Charizard / Kabutops / Shiftry / Steelix / Weezing / Hariyama
 hate charizard: huh, why is steelix a careful nature
  Fragmented: it's supposed to be adamant?
 hate charizard: change that to adamant as well nv
  0NI ///: I used fragmented past hate charizard too
  Fragmented: mb
 hate charizard: yea steelix runs ada
 hate charizard: nbd
++Earth: Hey that looks
++Earth: p solid
#nv: Ok
#nv: http://pastebin.com/CDc6hy4v
@@erisia: is that the final team
#nv: Here is the updated version :)
#nv: Yup
#nv: Anyways thank you guys so much :)
  0NI ///: good job
#nv: This was really awesome n_n