LGM: 2014 Venue Selection Meeting Log

May 15 11:26:41 <gregp_>	hi y'all!
May 15 11:27:21 <jonnor-work2>	hi!
May 15 11:27:27 <pippin>	hoi
May 15 11:27:34 *	jonnor-work2 is now known as jonnor
May 15 11:29:08 <F_S>	hey
May 15 11:29:17 <tatica>	morning/afternoon
May 15 11:29:31 <gregp_>	one question I have (with or without Louis here) ... does anyone feel that the facilities in Montreal (meeting rooms, etc) are a barrier?
May 15 11:30:03 <gregp_>	he seemed to get the idea that was one of the problems
May 15 11:30:51 <tatica>	not to me
May 15 11:31:56 <jonnor>	the venue works fine
May 15 11:33:00 <F_S>	all facilities are there
May 15 11:33:02 <pippin>	the facilities at polytechnique are good, but they have the same problem as montreal itself - we've already been there. IMO a montreal bid for a downtown uni-venue would be stronger than one up by the cemetary far from the rest of the city ;]
May 15 11:33:08 *	Louis_D (~chatzilla@mail.mardigrafe.com) has joined #lgm
May 15 11:33:24 <gregp_>	there may be other things, but for me the restaurants and things to do in the vicinity are limited, quite limited
May 15 11:33:27 <Louis_D>	hi
May 15 11:33:37 <gregp_>	salut Louis_D
May 15 11:33:46 <F_S>	hello!
May 15 11:34:01 <tatica>	I believe that as long as there is an easy to arrive place, attendance is more a marketing issue
May 15 11:34:23 *	pippin pasted the few lines of backlog preceding Louis_D joining to Louis_D
May 15 11:34:44 <F_S>	thx pippin
May 15 11:35:11 <F_S>	distance from city is an issue because that is the only way to connect to local free culture
May 15 11:35:22 <Louis_D>	thanks pippin !
May 15 11:35:35 <tatica>	exactly. I care more about location within the city and not what the place is itself
May 15 11:35:40 <tatica>	as long internet is good, I'm happy
May 15 11:36:01 <gregp_>	well, perhaps something to push in future is the idea of getting a multi-day pass on the Metro, in which case you can go anywhere you like
May 15 11:36:10 <gregp_>	individually or collectively
May 15 11:36:25 <Louis_D>	there are other universities, as I mentionned
May 15 11:36:43 <pippin>	the metro stops running late at night anyways, so to get back up there if you live in the student accomodation... taxis are needed
May 15 11:37:07 <F_S>	so how are we doing this 2nd meeting?
May 15 11:37:12 <Louis_D>	getting a pass is something that is possible to do I think but for this we need time because we have to deal with the authorities and you know about that...!
May 15 11:37:14 <gregp_>	I guess late at night for me is different for others
May 15 11:37:31 <tatica>	Louis_D, do you have a team that can deal with this issues?
May 15 11:37:42 <tatica>	Louis_D, someone that can handle just this kind of tasks?
May 15 11:37:57 <tatica>	so they release some work from you and you can focus more into event details?
May 15 11:38:08 <Louis_D>	yes, it's doable but I don’t know the outcome before we ask!
May 15 11:38:19 <tatica>	:)
May 15 11:38:52 <gregp_>	at this point, I worry that if we choose Montreal for 2014, we will be accused of rigging the vote against the desires of the "membership"
May 15 11:39:37 <F_S>	well, if thqt decision is maqde, we make it together, no?
May 15 11:39:41 <F_S>	argh sorry
May 15 11:39:44 <Louis_D>	can we update the who's present list?
May 15 11:39:48 <F_S>	switched keyboard
May 15 11:39:56 <Louis_D>	I’ve copied it so we keep track of the last meeting too
May 15 11:39:59 <tatica>	F_S, though it was klingon :)
May 15 11:40:06 <tatica>	Louis_D, link pls?
May 15 11:40:41 <Louis_D>	tatica: http://titanpad.com/ajsOqb9Wpu
May 15 11:40:42 <mrscribe>	Title: TitanPad: ajsOqb9Wpu (at titanpad.com)
May 15 11:40:48 <tatica>	thx dear :)
May 15 11:41:07 <Louis_D>	my pleasure! :-)
May 15 11:41:14 *	gregp_ will turn into a pumpkin at 16:45 UTC (FYI)
May 15 11:41:28 <F_S>	zh magic in the air
May 15 11:41:35 <F_S>	klingon
May 15 11:41:43 <F_S>	"ah magic in the air"
May 15 11:41:52 <tatica>	love everywhere
May 15 11:41:57 <tatica>	I think meeting already started
May 15 11:42:19 *	Louis_D F_S seems to have problem typing! :-)
May 15 11:42:20 <gregp_>	here's a pointed question: why would we NOT choose Leipzig at this point?
May 15 11:42:25 <tatica>	so I would be happy to keep asking as many questions as I can to clarify my opinion and hopefully, others can too
May 15 11:42:54 <gnokii>	F_S: tlhIngan Hol Dajatlh’a’
May 15 11:42:56 <F_S>	is dave neary here?
May 15 11:43:08 <F_S>	gnokii: eh?
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May 15 11:43:12 <tatica>	I think there is not a correct answer and would override the votes
May 15 11:43:15 <tatica>	:/
May 15 11:43:23 <gnokii>	that was klingonian
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May 15 11:43:55 <F_S>	yes, but what did you say
May 15 11:44:07 <tatica>	Louis_D, the current venue is near the city? or inside? (I haven't been there so have no way to tell)
May 15 11:44:16 <gnokii>	F_S: I asked if u speak klingonian
May 15 11:44:17 <gregp_>	we're not ready to vote, only to discuss, but let's get to the meat, so to speak
May 15 11:44:31 <Louis_D>	agree!
May 15 11:44:42 <F_S>	tatica: still no answers for medellin?
May 15 11:44:55 <tatica>	F_S, noup :/
May 15 11:45:15 <tatica>	they never answer the mail asking for more info
May 15 11:45:23 <F_S>	ok
May 15 11:45:24 <Louis_D>	tatica: current venue is in the geographical center of the city where there is a hill (that we call the Moutain but it's 300 feet high... :S)
May 15 11:45:26 <pippin>	so.. I guess that is a no-show
May 15 11:45:52 <F_S>	yes. does not work for me either
May 15 11:45:54 <pippin>	tatica: it is the mountain the city is named for, mount royal .. mon..treal
May 15 11:46:03 <tatica>	Louis_D, and the rooms you talk about. are part of the college right? so we would have a special rate if all of us stay in there?
May 15 11:46:18 <Louis_D>	tatica: Polytechnique is on the north side of the Mountain while downtown is south of the south side
May 15 11:46:52 <gregp_>	tatica: the room rates are excellent, the conditions, Spartan (college dormitory)
May 15 11:46:56 <Louis_D>	tatica: we do have a special rate and if we want we could all be in the same place, 5 mins away from the uni
May 15 11:47:24 <tatica>	what's their capacity?
May 15 11:47:27 <F_S>	mùri
May 15 11:47:34 <F_S>	oops
May 15 11:47:39 <Louis_D>	tatica: there are different rooms (single, double, multi and cosy suite as they call it)
May 15 11:48:02 <tatica>	F_S, you're making my day with your typos... can't srsly stop laughing :$
May 15 11:48:13 <Louis_D>	tatica: one of the tower has 20 floors or so and 8 rooms per floor
May 15 11:48:14 <gregp_>	F_S: maybe forget about the keyboard, switch the typist  :)
May 15 11:48:36 <tatica>	price rate is between?
May 15 11:48:39 <avox_>	lo
May 15 11:48:45 <Louis_D>	tatica: there are other towers around, all withing 5 min walking distance. It's a large campus.
May 15 11:48:46 <F_S>	pff azerty qwerty nightmare
May 15 11:48:47 <gregp_>	hi avox_
May 15 11:48:59 <Louis_D>	F_S: I agree
May 15 11:49:02 <Louis_D>	:-)
May 15 11:49:05 <Louis_D>	hi avox_
May 15 11:49:37 <tatica>	Louis_D, what about internet there?
May 15 11:49:46 <houz>	is there an agenda for today? like "go through the questions from last time in alphabetical order"?
May 15 11:49:54 <tatica>	one thing is to have internet like we had at Madrid; however, I have heard a lot of complains
May 15 11:50:04 <Louis_D>	tatica: http://libre-graphics-meeting.org/2011/accommodation/
May 15 11:50:08 <tatica>	will we have same issues? internet everywhere, but not the expected quality?
May 15 11:50:13 <gregp_>	tatica: you have wired internet in room, excellent wireless in conference
May 15 11:50:41 <tatica>	excellent... as in a 10Mb for 200 people or as in 2Mb for 200 people? :)
May 15 11:50:43 <gregp_>	this is a technical school
May 15 11:50:53 <Louis_D>	tatica: Polytech is the engineers' school... they have bandwidth and solid wi-fi throught
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May 15 11:51:19 <Louis_D>	throughout ---- no matter the keyboard, how do you spell this word is a nightmare! :-)
May 15 11:51:27 <tatica>	I have attend to many conferences at colleges that claim to have a great internet, but when lots of people get online things aren't that great
May 15 11:51:37 <tatica>	any complain about internet in past years?
May 15 11:51:49 <Louis_D>	tatica: just ask around in this list!
May 15 11:51:58 <gregp_>	no, you can rest assured we have no issues with in internet at Montreal
May 15 11:52:07 *	tatica doing the regular questions
May 15 11:52:19 <gregp_>	no problema
May 15 11:52:25 <avox_>	I think someone added information about the Medellin vnue, but nothing about the team
May 15 11:52:29 <Louis_D>	tatica: it’s fine! :-)
May 15 11:52:32 <Animtim>	tatica: yep I confirm internet was working good as expected there ;)
May 15 11:52:32 <pippin>	we haven't had internet issues at the venue at polytechnique, whether an alternative venue in montreal would have issues we wouldnt know
May 15 11:52:32 <F_S>	no complaints!
May 15 11:52:38 <tatica>	avox_, I added the info, what they sent to me
May 15 11:52:53 <tatica>	pippin, good question
May 15 11:53:32 <Louis_D>	pippin: I would of course make that a critical point and we'd test this long before, in the early stages of the discussion
May 15 11:54:06 <gregp_>	perhaps we might even enlist Benoit to help in that regard?
May 15 11:54:11 <pippin>	Louis_D: how do you test? bring your own 150 laptops and ~60 smartphones and hook them all up to play looping youtube videos? ;)
May 15 11:54:17 <tatica>	Louis_D, how many people is there available to help you locally? (not lugs that will be there working at the event, more related to the preparation team)
May 15 11:54:23 <Louis_D>	pippin: and I think it should be made cristal clear for any venue that we need that sorted!
May 15 11:55:00 <gregp_>	tatica: Louis_D + Benoit = all you need
May 15 11:55:01 <pippin>	one good thing in vienna - was that when we complained about blocked ssh or git ports or what it was.. it was resolved in <1h
May 15 11:55:28 <tatica>	so it's a 2 people team, right?
May 15 11:55:28 <Louis_D>	pippin: we'd need to find a way to test this for sure. Meeting with the technical services would be my starting point
May 15 11:55:54 <gregp_>	plus a cast of "thousands"
May 15 11:56:25 <Guest71517>	During the school year at Polytechnique there are about 3000 students using wifi in the school. I think the bandwidth is there
May 15 11:56:48 <Louis_D>	tatica: lots more than 2 people
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May 15 11:57:07 <tatica>	how many, just want to know how large the organization team is
May 15 11:57:10 <tatica>	local team
May 15 11:57:39 <Louis_D>	tatica: another note about Polytechnique is it supports FLOSS, which is not the case in some other universities.
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May 15 11:58:12 <F_S>	as we are talking about leipzig and montreal, it does not matter where we go fortunately
May 15 11:58:13 <tatica>	Louis_D, that srsly is not a huge deal, unless we will use labs with pcs there
May 15 11:58:17 <Louis_D>	for instance, Concordia which is very strong in arts has a decieving win-mac only support...
May 15 11:58:27 <tatica>	in that case, it's a matter of life that they support FLOSS
May 15 11:58:45 <gregp_>	tatica: I think I get where you're coming from, but we have the practical experience of several LGMs at Montreal to know there are no technical or planning issues
May 15 11:58:56 <F_S>	Louis_D: eh there is currently no art school fully supporting floss
May 15 11:59:09 <gnokii>	:D
May 15 11:59:10 <tatica>	gregp_, I get the feeling too, however, I like to be as neutral as possible
May 15 11:59:22 <tatica>	so the same questions I'm asking to you guys, I will try to make to Liepzig too
May 15 11:59:48 <tatica>	if I don't make this questions I would be showing preference for any of the 2 proposals, which is not the intent :)
May 15 12:00:30 <Louis_D>	F_S: I was in contact this morning with Anne Goldenberg who sent me more links to local initiatives in art depts who use FLOSS.
May 15 12:00:45 <avox_>	tatica, you are entitled to have preferences, though
May 15 12:00:45 <F_S>	good news!
May 15 12:01:14 <tatica>	avox_, is like politics; even if I have preferences I don't say them out loud :P
May 15 12:01:31 <avox_>	where's the fun in that??
May 15 12:01:34 <tatica>	:)
May 15 12:01:53 <F_S>	i'm still interested in leipzig / montreal local teams
May 15 12:02:00 <tatica>	I think I have done most of the questions I had
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May 15 12:02:24 <Louis_D>	F_S: the thing is Montreal has a great deal of attractive power and this is increasing over the years. Things evolves. Plus, with the new law about FLOSS, all the ministries are asked to catch up, including Education.
May 15 12:02:30 <tatica>	so once you guys feel happy, I would be happy to ask Liepzig
May 15 12:02:32 <gregp_>	to be blunt: I think the issue with Montreal has to do with the issue of boredom, or some might say, enough is enough of Montreal
May 15 12:02:43 *	Louis_D is catching up
May 15 12:03:00 <tatica>	ou... that would be interesting to me Louis_D
May 15 12:03:21 <tatica>	the FLOSS at government (but i will ask that later and outside the meeting :) )
May 15 12:03:45 <F_S>	Louis_D: would be great to have someone involved in that on the team
May 15 12:03:56 <avox_>	did we get feedback from any development teams about their LGM venue preference?
May 15 12:03:58 <Louis_D>	F_S: absolutely
May 15 12:04:08 <tatica>	what about local sponsor for marketing and local expenses? is that covered?
May 15 12:04:19 <Louis_D>	avox_: dunno... did you ask?
May 15 12:04:32 <avox_>	no, I didn't, but someone must have read the ML
May 15 12:04:42 <tatica>	does Polytechnique will lend printers and that, or you have other ideas in mind?
May 15 12:04:49 <F_S>	i did.
May 15 12:05:13 <Louis_D>	tatica: usually, we have local sponsors to cover many small expenses or we get *really* good deals.
May 15 12:05:41 <tatica>	ok
May 15 12:05:59 <Louis_D>	tatica: we have vendors that can't say no! Remember I'm in the graphic art industry for 26 years!
May 15 12:06:07 <avox_>	I think the only issue about Montreal is: How can we refresh the energy for Montreal after 3 visits?
May 15 12:06:31 <avox_>	that is, energy of LGM participants
May 15 12:07:07 <Louis_D>	avox_: that is *the* good question and I am hoping my answers so far can help understand better what the plans are to solve the issue.
May 15 12:07:37 <F_S>	the issue for the people i work with
May 15 12:07:45 <tatica>	good
May 15 12:08:02 <pippin>	we know that the team in montreal can pull off a good LGM, but some people are likely to deprioritize going to an LGM in montreal if everything but the talks/attendees is "the same"
May 15 12:08:48 <jonnor>	on that, why won't the talks/attendees be mostly the same too? :)
May 15 12:09:02 <Louis_D>	F_S: was that a complete sentence? I was expecting a more developped idea!
May 15 12:09:02 *	tatica is happy to move to Liepzig, clock is moving
May 15 12:09:35 *	gregp_ starts to become a bit orange
May 15 12:09:36 <avox_>	pippin, I'd say that's a bad attitude, though. It should be more about meeting people, not about sightseeing
May 15 12:09:42 <F_S>	Louis_D: not a quick thing to type
May 15 12:09:56 <MarioB1>	ok, we are ready when you are
May 15 12:09:58 <Louis_D>	F_S:  np
May 15 12:10:01 <F_S>	three times going through a lack of connection to free culture
May 15 12:10:18 <F_S>	makes it tough to convince people to try a fourth time
May 15 12:10:20 <pippin>	avox_: we do the sightseeing together as well ;)
May 15 12:10:36 <F_S>	so it is not boredom, but frustration
May 15 12:10:48 <Louis_D>	F_S: maybe tough to convice you! but
May 15 12:11:14 <tatica>	lol
May 15 12:11:32 <F_S>	so i respect your intentions and will certainly come to lgm wherever it is
May 15 12:11:39 <Louis_D>	F_S: I guess the bid should contain more free culture people. As I mentionned, things evolve.
May 15 12:11:49 <tatica>	tic toc
May 15 12:11:51 <tatica>	:$
May 15 12:12:03 <gregp_>	F_S: I think you're a bit unfair. Where was the free culture connection in venues other  than yours?
May 15 12:12:05 <F_S>	but i can not convince the people at the floss artlabs i work with
May 15 12:12:35 <jonnor>	none answered my question, "why won't the talks/attendees be mostly the same too?" [in Montreal]
May 15 12:12:49 <gregp_>	the "free culture connection" may not be a universal concern
May 15 12:13:20 <houz>	what about clarifying the open questions before starting philosophical discussions?
May 15 12:13:24 <gnokii>	+1
May 15 12:13:28 *	pippin would have expected more people from https://twitter.com/SATmontreal for instance
May 15 12:13:33 <mrscribe>	Title: SAT (SATmontreal) på Twitter (at twitter.com)
May 15 12:13:46 <Louis_D>	F_S: maybe once they read about what we intend to do but again... it’s one of the two things, we look back and say it can't change, or we look forward and we do what it takes to get where we want to be.
May 15 12:14:01 *	gregp_ : T - 4 minutes
May 15 12:14:10 <F_S>	as long as you accept it is an issue for me, if i have a choice ;-)
May 15 12:14:20 <F_S>	alexandre quessy was there in montreal
May 15 12:14:21 <jonnor>	I don't think gregp_ comment is philosophical, it is possible that not everyone cares about having a connection to free culture
May 15 12:14:27 <F_S>	he works for SAT
May 15 12:14:28 <Louis_D>	pippin: there are lots of people working at or around SAT
May 15 12:14:34 <jonnor>	and be happy with focusing on devs and code alone
May 15 12:14:41 <pippin>	jonnor: some people end up spending 1 of their precious vacation weeks on LGM; thus novelty of venue makes it easier to defend for oneself
May 15 12:14:46 <jonnor>	(not that code is not culture, but I hope you get the point)
May 15 12:15:07 <F_S>	how's internet in leipzig? :-D
May 15 12:15:19 <tatica>	people, from my experience counting twitter/fb or any other social network followers has nothing to do with the venue itself, which is what we are trying to define; so please, could we get a bit more objective?
May 15 12:15:21 <pippin>	F_S: I know both that a.quessy is working with SAT, and that he was at LGM; but there is many more people working with libre tech at SAT
May 15 12:15:29 <tatica>	and probably give MarioB1 time to answer some questions?
May 15 12:15:30 <jonnor>	pippin: I am in agreement
May 15 12:15:33 <houz>	yes, i am not really interested in the culture side at all, but that's something people have to decide for themselves when it's time to vote, first you have to talk about the open issues
May 15 12:15:42 <tatica>	we have been here already for 45min, think we need to give both time
May 15 12:15:42 *	houz goes back to his observer place
May 15 12:15:43 <Louis_D>	pippin: of course we can invite them. We tried in the past but apparently their own links with FLOSS was not clear at all.
May 15 12:15:47 <gnokii>	F_S fine as it serves normally for 30.000 students and it are holidays ;)
May 15 12:16:07 *	gregp_ : T - 60 seconds
May 15 12:16:17 <Louis_D>	couple questions for Leipzig?
May 15 12:16:19 <pippin>	Louis_D: they seem non-fundamentalist about it, but some of their core people do quite a bit of FLOSS
May 15 12:16:21 <tatica>	great
May 15 12:16:23 <F_S>	ok gregp_ what do you propose, as a way to conclude
May 15 12:16:57 <MarioB1>	F_S: Internet is very fast and it is covered in many parts of the city by our freifunk friends. University also offers fast connection and we already have secured a sponsor who also sponsors the network and Internet. So, several Internet services are available.
May 15 12:17:11 <tatica>	MarioB1, oh, I like it
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May 15 12:17:31 <houz>	freifunk is free (as in beer), isn't it?
May 15 12:17:35 <avox_>	MarioB1, you are located at Leipzig Uni now? Or what is your affiliation?
May 15 12:17:38 <Louis_D>	my only concern with Leipzig is going 3 times *in a row* to Europe.
May 15 12:17:52 <tatica>	that's probably not a valid argument
May 15 12:17:58 <tatica>	so I think both are even in that
May 15 12:18:03 <jonnor>	MarioB1: the venue has hosted several conferences before, including Ubucon. What network/internet setup did they use and did it work out? can we just use the same
May 15 12:18:06 <tatica>	it's 3 times in europe, 3 times in Montreal, so it's balanced
May 15 12:18:27 <tatica>	is there any event colliding by these dates at europe?
May 15 12:18:28 <pippin>	never repeated a vanue in europe - always repeated a vanue in the americas
May 15 12:18:29 <avox_>	I think 3 x Europe is as valid as the 3 x Montreal argument
May 15 12:18:29 <jonnor>	not in a row
May 15 12:18:47 <gnokii>	tatica: nope
May 15 12:18:52 <F_S>	4 x Montreal, not in a row
May 15 12:19:07 <MarioB1>	free and open - software, as much as possible hardware as well. so, some designers already told me, they would be interested to meet graphics people as they are using floss tools to make cases etc.
May 15 12:19:18 <tatica>	I won't base my vote in "how many times anywhere" more into quality and opportunity, don't know the rest
May 15 12:19:26 <F_S>	can you say something about volunteers you refer to?
May 15 12:19:52 <F_S>	on the pad, i mean?
May 15 12:20:19 <Louis_D>	in a row means that many people are asked to travel quite a lot and are actually not showing up. Many Inkscape devs are living in the US.
May 15 12:20:37 <n8willis>	I do think three consecutive years in europe may mean fewer attendees from the americas -- perhaps not *everyone* is affected ... but we don't want people to get out of the habit of coming to LGM.
May 15 12:20:50 <tatica>	MarioB1, I'm also interested into local team and this volunteers you refer to, same as F_S
May 15 12:20:51 <jonnor>	how could we get them to Leipzig (if that is where we go)?
May 15 12:20:55 <MarioB1>	jonnor: a) they used the university b) at some years they also used freifunk. in 2010 there were some issues with internet. i guess because of more mobile devices that popped up than in previous years
May 15 12:20:57 <jonnor>	and others that are in N/A
May 15 12:21:40 <n8willis>	jonnor, we may be able to increase New World attendee presence by doing a better job promoting it to them.
May 15 12:22:03 <MarioB1>	jonnor: our sponsor is an openwrt contributor and set up many large networks in hotels all over germany. i am confident we can make the internet work in leipzig http://www.bittorf-wireless.de/en
May 15 12:22:04 <mrscribe>	Title: Home | bittorf wireless )) (at www.bittorf-wireless.de)
May 15 12:22:08 <n8willis>	(and establishing the venue early definitely helps.)
May 15 12:22:40 <tatica>	MarioB1, do we have to be concerned at some point with internet? or are you happy with this sponsor?
May 15 12:22:41 <jonnor>	MarioB1: ok, sounds like you are on top of it
May 15 12:24:00 <F_S>	n8willis: would today / this week count as early?
May 15 12:24:09 <n8willis>	it would!
May 15 12:24:13 <MarioB1>	tatica: ok, we have four people in the local core team a) sirko - inkscape book author, b) martin - ubucon organizer for many year c) kasimir - university student organization and contact to university, who had organized a number of student events, d) me - done some events in berlin, taiwan, china, vietnam...
May 15 12:24:35 <MarioB1>	apart from that, we already have people who want to join the larger organization team for specific tasks
May 15 12:24:42 <tatica>	MarioB1, all of you are in different towns, right? same country
May 15 12:25:00 <tatica>	MarioB1, do you have a local team at the University that can help you with errands and local stuff?
May 15 12:25:03 <MarioB1>	but of course we do not "recrute" until the decision for a location is made
May 15 12:25:04 <tatica>	a Lug or something?
May 15 12:25:13 <tatica>	MarioB1, yeap, I always do that too
May 15 12:26:11 <MarioB1>	tatica: two people are in Leipzig, one person is 30 mins away, i am on and off in europe, but will be here more now. so i am 1.5 hours from leipzig
May 15 12:26:29 <tatica>	quite close
May 15 12:27:17 <MarioB1>	tatica: yes, there are many groups and many of them meet at sublab hackerspace
May 15 12:27:29 <tatica>	that's good
May 15 12:27:37 <MarioB1>	tatica: hackerspace also wanted to host us, but same as university for visual arts - the space is too small for lgm
May 15 12:27:40 <tatica>	are you related or in contact with local art groups?
May 15 12:29:13 <MarioB1>	tatica: not sure, what you would define as an art group. sirko is definitely involved in libre graphics and i guess we can get some folks from all over the region to lgm. does the university of visual art qualifies as art group? yes, they want to be part of it.
May 15 12:29:28 <tatica>	hehe probably, yes
May 15 12:29:31 <Louis_D>	MarioB1: what would you say to F_S about the presence of free culture in Leipzig? How can we be sure those people will show up at LGM?
May 15 12:30:06 <F_S>	and related, in what way does HGB connect?
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May 15 12:31:18 <gnokii>	F_S the HGB is 10 minutes by foot away, the have only 500 students so not a lot of space, but the agreed that they would fits to us, so there is still conversation and we will see over the time what we can do to integrate them
May 15 12:31:29 <MarioB1>	what is sure in life? I would say the probability is very high, that there will be people who are related to the community. if you are looking for "pure free art groups" I think life is grey, but I know, that there are many people here, who are looking for something like LGM to happen and want to join.
May 15 12:31:50 <F_S>	http://www.hgb-leipzig.de/ is a great school
May 15 12:31:51 <mrscribe>	Title: HGB Leipzig (at www.hgb-leipzig.de)
May 15 12:32:08 <tatica>	MarioB1, do you think this is a matter of marketing? or people is lazy and simply just don't go into this things?
May 15 12:32:27 <tatica>	I mean; a good marketing can make miracles; but only if people like to attend to this events
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May 15 12:33:39 *	tatica received a ail 1sec ago from Medellin asking me what was missing... I guess they didn't read the logs I send... and I'm not sure to give more time to complete this proposal
May 15 12:33:44 <tatica>	*mail
May 15 12:34:10 <MarioB1>	I think this event will self-market itself, if we give it an initial push. The FLOSS movement is reaching designers, hardware developers, movie makers. I have the impression people are waiting for it here.
May 15 12:34:52 <tatica>	MarioB1, that's good
May 15 12:36:18 <tatica>	MarioB1, is University also inside town? is it easy to arrive?
May 15 12:36:36 <jonnor>	people will show up with minimal marketing, but I think to make the most of the event a good marketing strategy is key
May 15 12:36:37 <F_S>	tatica: i think time is up for medellin, for this year ?
May 15 12:36:46 <gnokii>	tatica: it is direct in the city centre 10 minutes from the main station
May 15 12:37:11 <tatica>	F_S, i would love to include them, however, if they aren't able to follow spanish/english instructions; there is a long way for them to prepare for an event like this
May 15 12:37:16 <tatica>	gnokii, awesome
May 15 12:37:29 <MarioB1>	tatica: http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/?page_id=149 Many points of interest can be reached by foot or bycicle and the proposed university venue for LGM is located right in the middle of the city. There is also an efficient public transport system.
May 15 12:37:48 <Louis_D>	MarioB1: I understand nothing can be sure! I'm asking because it's a concern raised by some of us. Without being sure, we can have a sense of what to do to make it happen. The presence of designers in a city doesn’t make them come just like that. We need to contact the people directly. Anyway, good to know that the HGB is at walking distance!
May 15 12:38:17 <gnokii>	tatica: http://is.gd/iy0Leh
May 15 12:38:19 <tatica>	to be honest, and I speak for all LATAM; travel costs are the same for us to attend Montreal or Germany; so that won't be a decision point that i would consider
May 15 12:38:26 <F_S>	tatica: i am sad to see they don't find a way to connect, but they could have used you, or medialab crew as interface
May 15 12:38:28 <houz>	MarioB1: how are the chances that we can use the augusteum for lgm?
May 15 12:38:44 <mrscribe>	Title: Neues Augusteum, Deutschland - Google Maps (at is.gd)
May 15 12:38:49 <tatica>	wasn't really interested into sightseeing; more into, how close can I be from the rest so I can use as many time possible to "do"
May 15 12:38:51 <F_S>	tatica: i agree
May 15 12:39:21 <tatica>	F_S, I have been dealing with LATAM location for venues for the past 6 years, so I'm not that surprised
May 15 12:39:30 <tatica>	I would be happy to propose something; but not this year
May 15 12:39:56 <F_S>	ahh 2015 will be a great year :-)
May 15 12:40:17 <tatica>	lol
May 15 12:40:30 <Louis_D>	LGM 10 in 2015 ! :-)
May 15 12:40:57 <tatica>	or latam at 2016; to be honest, don't see it as a race
May 15 12:41:26 <Louis_D>	To quote gregp almost an hour ago
May 15 12:41:28 <Louis_D>	[12:12]	gregp_	here's a pointed question: why would we NOT choose Leipzig at this point?
May 15 12:41:36 <Louis_D>	can we vote?
May 15 12:41:41 <Louis_D>	are we ready?
May 15 12:41:50 <MarioB1>	houz: ok, so the augusteum is the main building for the administration and also has the main hall. there is space for 800 people. as this event is not this big, i do not think they will put us in there. there also a number of other rooms, but seminars of the university mainly happen in the seminar building. so we already discussed rooms and sizes, but not specificly where and which rooms
May 15 12:42:12 <tatica>	does any of you guys want to add anything to close? or feel that need more arguments for your proposals? MarioB1 Louis_D
May 15 12:42:19 <houz>	ok, i was just asking because that one is beautiful
May 15 12:42:41 <gnokii>	houz: we will have the big lecture room in Augusteum
May 15 12:43:06 <tatica>	cool
May 15 12:43:13 <tatica>	would be awesome for a nice opening and closure
May 15 12:43:25 <houz>	with 0.8k people ^^
May 15 12:43:34 <Louis_D>	seems we have 12 voters so we need one of the following : majority of the 2 thirds asks for 8 pros. Consensus or unanimity would be 12 pros. Then we could send a clear signal to the community! And air in the wings for the local organisers!
May 15 12:43:59 <gnokii>	door bell
May 15 12:44:09 <jonnor>	just want to note that while Montreal is a safe choice, Leipzig is a new venue+org team, and if we chose that, we should (as a global team/community) be prepared to support them, perhaps with more then what Montreal would need
May 15 12:44:17 <MarioB1>	Louis_D: I can give you an example, last weekend there were many designers at our Berlin event in the c-base. I was talking to them - they are unhappy with Photoshop .... and they do not earn so much. so they want to change and they are looking out for cool stuff. I already talked to them about LGM and they were sad they missed it in Madrid. What I can see, there is interest and we will inform as many people as possible who study and work in the fi
May 15 12:44:25 <MarioB1>	this is not a specific task for leipzig
May 15 12:44:31 <MarioB1>	but for the whole of the lgm community
May 15 12:44:35 <MarioB1>	whereever it happens
May 15 12:44:44 <F_S>	hmm wise words
May 15 12:44:50 <tatica>	interesting
May 15 12:45:11 <Louis_D>	MarioB1: good example!
May 15 12:46:44 <avox_>	are we voting yet?
May 15 12:46:48 <Louis_D>	to all... no matter where we go, LGM needs care from all its supporters. It’s teamwork. Not only a local team trying to put something together that will please everyone. It's an open source project! We need all the brains and all the hands!
May 15 12:47:14 *	avox_ Muah! Brains!
May 15 12:47:30 <Louis_D>	:D
May 15 12:47:30 *	tatica ready to vote
May 15 12:47:36 <gnokii>	re
May 15 12:47:41 *	schumaml_ is now known as schumaml
May 15 12:47:41 <houz>	wb
May 15 12:47:47 <Louis_D>	who's not ready to vote?
May 15 12:47:50 <Animtim>	so let's vote
May 15 12:48:02 <gnokii>	bonjour Animtim
May 15 12:48:40 <Animtim>	Hi gnokii :)
May 15 12:49:15 <F_S>	can we put greg with montreal?
May 15 12:49:36 <tatica>	how are we gonna do it? at titanpad or here?
May 15 12:49:45 <houz>	the observer agrees ;)
May 15 12:49:56 <avox_>	probably, unless he's 12th or 5th
May 15 12:50:19 <avox_>	err, 8th or 5th
May 15 12:50:21 <F_S>	ok on titanpad, non-anonymous
May 15 12:50:29 <Louis_D>	F_S: gregp didn’t mention his intention on that one. He had to leave so I wouldn't put a vote for him unless he mentionned it very clearly.
May 15 12:50:45 <tatica>	I think only people here should vote
May 15 12:50:54 <F_S>	ok
May 15 12:50:56 <tatica>	only people here listen to the answers and have a wider opinion
May 15 12:51:01 <tatica>	but that's just my point of view
May 15 12:51:21 <F_S>	ok, but that includes greg :-)
May 15 12:51:31 <houz>	and last time he voted for montreal
May 15 12:51:43 <jonnor>	are we to change "tentative" vote, or add to the one on top of pad?
May 15 12:51:45 <pippin>	(in the tentative vote for 2014 venue)
May 15 12:51:57 <pippin>	jonnor: there is a votes round 2 on the top of the pad
May 15 12:52:00 <F_S>	i was making a fresh one
May 15 12:52:01 <gnokii>	F_S lets see what comes out when his voice is needed for a decision we can ask him
May 15 12:52:07 <jonnor>	ok, fresh one
May 15 12:52:11 <F_S>	so that we can change our minds!
May 15 12:52:18 <F_S>	ok gnokii
May 15 12:52:30 <tatica>	time to vote then?
May 15 12:52:37 <tatica>	who will go first? :)
May 15 12:52:45 <F_S>	yes i go
May 15 12:52:46 <houz>	femke :)
May 15 12:52:48 <F_S>	;-)
May 15 12:52:51 <tatica>	lol
May 15 12:54:18 <houz>	congratulations on finding a decision
May 15 12:54:44 <avox_>	evryone voted?
May 15 12:54:47 <tatica>	not sure if we should decide if it's in europe or NA at 2015 since we haven't give time for new proposals
May 15 12:55:05 <tatica>	I think it wouldn't be objective without looking into which cities would like to go for it
May 15 12:55:07 <tatica>	:/
May 15 12:55:08 <gnokii>	can we speak about that what someone puts into the pad right now?
May 15 12:55:16 <houz>	election observers haven't noticed any irregularities
May 15 12:55:17 <Louis_D>	has everyone voted yet?
May 15 12:55:27 <jonnor>	houz: ;)
May 15 12:55:42 <tatica>	who decided to vote for 2015 today?
May 15 12:56:04 <tatica>	F_S, ?
May 15 12:56:19 <Louis_D>	Let's keep focussed on 2014, please! :-)
May 15 12:56:28 <avox_>	I'm pretty sure that Montreal will still be a choice, so the "if" doesn't apply
May 15 12:56:40 <gnokii>	wuah, Istanbul isnt Europe :D
May 15 12:56:49 <tatica>	sure, but that's not something to decide today
May 15 12:56:53 <F_S>	eh gnokii yes it is
May 15 12:56:54 <tatica>	people, please, one step at the time
May 15 12:56:55 <jonnor>	why not entice Dave Nearys proposal, try to get a smaller LG event in non-Europe for another time in 2014
May 15 12:56:56 <avox_>	gnokii, yes, it is :_)
May 15 12:56:58 <houz>	neither is great britain (if you ask them) ^^
May 15 12:57:01 <gnokii>	nope its not
May 15 12:57:04 <jonnor>	(or even in 2013)
May 15 12:57:08 <gnokii>	its only for 25%
May 15 12:57:20 <F_S>	did everyone vote?
May 15 12:57:29 <avox_>	In fact, even Tel Aviv and Haifa would be Europe, since Israel is also in the ESC (EWuropean SOng COntest)
May 15 12:57:40 *	n8willis is secretly hoping for LGM2020 in Antarctica
May 15 12:57:46 <houz>	n8willis: +1
May 15 12:57:48 <pippin>	10 votes cast, 80% leipzig
May 15 12:57:55 <F_S>	i like the "on a boat" suggestion
May 15 12:57:56 <Louis_D>	I think it would be great to have a unanimous decision on Leipzig.
May 15 12:57:57 <jonnor>	we could do a call for proposals (the coming month) for venues interested in doing a LG event, not restricting them to April/May 2015
May 15 12:58:05 *	avox_ will skip the LKGM in Antarctica
May 15 12:58:08 <gnokii>	avox_: yes the also play soccer basket ball in european leagues but that is only noone would play with them otherwise
May 15 12:58:08 <jonnor>	see what there is interest for out there in the world, and then take it from there
May 15 12:58:09 <tatica>	jonnor, +1
May 15 12:58:23 <pippin>	avox_: what about LGM on the moon, or ISS?
May 15 12:58:35 <tatica>	ISS FTMFW
May 15 12:58:36 <Louis_D>	jonnor: first LGM was in March! :-)
May 15 12:58:36 <avox_>	pippin, only when carbon neutral
May 15 12:58:44 <n8willis>	now that's just silly pippin....
May 15 12:58:48 <pippin>	avox_: though crowd to please
May 15 12:58:51 <tatica>	I think everyone voted
May 15 12:59:01 <Louis_D>	who write the press release?
May 15 12:59:01 <ryanlerch>	What about Australia? ;)
May 15 12:59:05 <pippin>	avox_: LGM on IRC, that would be carbon neutral, and silly ;)
May 15 12:59:07 <tatica>	are we good with this? can folks start working now?
May 15 12:59:12 <houz>	kartoffel continent
May 15 12:59:15 <tatica>	:)
May 15 12:59:17 <jonnor>	ryanlerch: we had Libre Graphics Day there I believe
May 15 12:59:34 <avox_>	8 : 2, and I'm not totally against Leipzig
May 15 12:59:41 <ryanlerch>	jonnor, yeah, i ran the last one of those at LCA in Brisbane a few years ago.. :)
May 15 12:59:43 <F_S>	there was a Libre Graphics Week in Vietnam, in 2011
May 15 13:00:05 <tatica>	1:30h, not bad
May 15 13:00:15 *	tatica had lunch during the meeting :)
May 15 13:00:24 <houz>	and the end time is EXACTLY as on the schedule ^^
May 15 13:00:26 <Louis_D>	avox_: then if both of us agree, we can have a unanimous decision for Leipzig 2014.
May 15 13:00:58 <Louis_D>	I join my voice to Leipzig and I am ready to give a strong although remote hand!
May 15 13:01:02 <avox_>	yes, sure
May 15 13:01:05 <tatica>	:)
May 15 13:01:21 <avox_>	anyone else going to vote on my resolution proposal?
May 15 13:01:28 <Louis_D>	Congrats to MarioB1 and friends!
May 15 13:01:49 <F_S>	Louis_D: really great
May 15 13:02:03 <tatica>	congratulations no... it's time to work
May 15 13:02:04 <tatica>	lol
May 15 13:02:08 <tatica>	now comes the fun part
May 15 13:02:10 <MarioB1>	Louis_D: thank you and thank you everyone. i think this is not against one or another spot. it is just a preference for now. So, let's make this happen :-)
May 15 13:02:19 <jonnor>	avox_: I would prefer to defer that, and focus on getting out a CfP for events targeting non-European audience
May 15 13:02:19 <tatica>	MarioB1, +1
May 15 13:02:23 <F_S>	avox_: i was too fast - not sure this works. i like to follow jonnor
May 15 13:02:31 <tatica>	now
May 15 13:02:35 <Louis_D>	MarioB1: Completely agree!
May 15 13:02:49 <tatica>	i would like to continue the meetings at least once a week/15days so we can keep communicated like this
May 15 13:02:51 <houz>	MarioB1: if there is anything i can help with, shout
May 15 13:03:01 <Louis_D>	guys I have to go.
May 15 13:03:04 <avox_>	ok
May 15 13:03:09 <avox_>	thanks + cya
May 15 13:03:10 <gnokii>	jonnor: no hurry for that we already have Buenos Aires as bid for 2015
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May 15 13:03:35 <pippin>	Louis_D: this leaves you with plenty of time for pondering alternative montreal venues
May 15 13:03:36 <avox_>	do we set a deadline for 2015 proposals?
May 15 13:03:42 <Louis_D>	avox_: cya!
May 15 13:03:49 <F_S>	bye!
May 15 13:03:51 <Louis_D>	pippin: exact! :-)
May 15 13:03:57 <F_S>	avox_: yes
May 15 13:03:59 <Louis_D>	bye F_S
May 15 13:04:16 <tatica>	I think a month or two open for proposals would be more than enough
May 15 13:04:17 <avox_>	which one? do we decide now?
May 15 13:04:21 <Louis_D>	F_S: don’t forget your final report ! :-)
May 15 13:04:41 <gnokii>	F_S are the group photos available somwhere?
May 15 13:04:43 <tatica>	or month and a half for proposals, close it and then 15 days so they can fill the rest
May 15 13:04:49 <jonnor>	we said in Madrid 3 months before LGM2014 for LGM2015 proposal
May 15 13:04:53 <F_S>	Louis_D: working on it -- tried for today but almost
May 15 13:05:04 <Louis_D>	avox_: I got the 2015 process in hand so I will get back to you guys about this.
May 15 13:05:05 <avox_>	no, we said *decision*Ü three onths before IIRC
May 15 13:05:08 <tatica>	jonnor, oh, yes yes
May 15 13:05:09 <jonnor>	and Louis_D took upon the overseeing responsibility to ensure that info goes out
May 15 13:05:18 <jonnor>	looks like he is still on the ball :D
May 15 13:05:23 <Louis_D>	:)
May 15 13:05:48 <avox_>	we need 2 dates: A) deadline for proposals B) decisoin time
May 15 13:05:52 <houz>	you should first announce leipzig before distracting with 2015 proposals
May 15 13:05:54 <Louis_D>	but I have to go but my office is the very same laptop! need to close the window!
May 15 13:05:58 <tatica>	houz, +1
May 15 13:06:01 <F_S>	gnokii: yes, i have them but needs stitching
May 15 13:06:11 <Louis_D>	houz: 100% agree! let's keep our eyes on 2014
May 15 13:06:25 <gnokii>	F_S: give them to tatica she like to do it ;)
May 15 13:06:28 <jonnor>	yes. How do we do LGM2014 announcement?
May 15 13:06:35 <tatica>	uh?
May 15 13:06:36 <Louis_D>	G R E A T ! ! ! ! ! Love you all !
May 15 13:06:39 <F_S>	ohh great tatica you interested?
May 15 13:06:52 <tatica>	stitching? what? I'm lost
May 15 13:07:04 <gnokii>	tatica: the group pictures from Madrid
May 15 13:07:04 <F_S>	sorry tatica will explain late
May 15 13:07:05 <MarioB1>	tatica: let's work together on all the docs we talked about in madrid
May 15 13:07:14 <tatica>	MarioB1, yes please...
May 15 13:07:20 <tatica>	that and a good marketing plan
May 15 13:07:52 <tatica>	and docs docs docs
May 15 13:07:57 <jonnor>	do we have any volunteers for writing up a LGM2014 announcement?
May 15 13:08:01 <Louis_D>	avox_: you're alone in Montreal now ! :D
May 15 13:08:23 <Louis_D>	n8willis: would you volunteer? :D
May 15 13:08:45 <n8willis>	I can't if it needs to be today
May 15 13:08:46 <F_S>	that would be good
May 15 13:08:59 <n8willis>	(hard deadlines)
May 15 13:09:03 *	Louis_D waves n8willis is a great writer!
May 15 13:09:04 <F_S>	n8willis: tomorrow is fine too ;-)
May 15 13:09:13 <jonnor>	I think an announcement within 3 days would be fine
May 15 13:09:17 <Louis_D>	agree
May 15 13:09:20 <F_S>	agree
May 15 13:09:35 <pippin>	do we need to compose more text than 140chars?
May 15 13:09:36 <Louis_D>	it's important for the local team to start early
May 15 13:09:46 <jonnor>	pippin: perhaps not...
May 15 13:09:47 <n8willis>	OK; remind me incessantly about it starting 18 hours from now :)
May 15 13:10:00 <Louis_D>	but the announcement can come a bit later, no issue
May 15 13:10:08 <F_S>	deal
May 15 13:11:33 <tatica>	Louis_D, MarioB1, F_S I will try to come up with a mail to organize a bit the things we discussed about lgm (stuff that need to be done)
May 15 13:11:38 <tatica>	and teams we talk about
May 15 13:11:49 <tatica>	now that we have our attention back from the decision
May 15 13:11:52 <tatica>	would that be ok?
May 15 13:12:00 <F_S>	tatica: happy to be still on content team
May 15 13:12:19 <F_S>	also, specifically in connecting FLOSS teacher network to HGB
May 15 13:12:38 <tatica>	:D
May 15 13:12:52 <jonnor>	a bit of a strategy for content would be great to have short term
May 15 13:12:57 <tatica>	yup
May 15 13:13:08 <tatica>	I'm sure that we can have something solid within the next 15 days
May 15 13:13:10 <F_S>	jonnor: maybe we can discuss soonish
May 15 13:13:22 <F_S>	i have not much time before june
May 15 13:13:24 <MarioB1>	tatica: thanks
May 15 13:13:27 <tatica>	however, it's time first to spread the venue selection
May 15 13:13:28 <jonnor>	F_S: that would be great
May 15 13:13:39 <jonnor>	should we just set a date in June?
May 15 13:13:44 <F_S>	good
May 15 13:13:48 <jonnor>	content+marketing kickoff meeting
May 15 13:14:02 <tatica>	:)
May 15 13:14:19 <tatica>	let's just deal with that through mail and set a time/date there once we feel comfortable with it
May 15 13:14:26 <tatica>	we had a lot of work today
May 15 13:14:34 <jonnor>	ok with me
May 15 13:14:35 <tatica>	anyway, vanishing so I can brush my teeth :)
May 15 13:14:48 <jonnor>	I am actually trying to be at a social event right now .p
May 15 13:15:06 <F_S>	hah jonnor you're doing great
May 15 13:15:54 <F_S>	ok let's e-mail
May 15 13:16:12 <jonnor>	yes
May 15 13:16:13 <jonnor>	thanks for today!
May 15 13:16:38 <F_S>	everyone, thanks!
May 15 13:17:32 <F_S>	speak soon