@Quite Quiet: ~workshop new
+BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
 Eternally: so Soundproof then?
@Quite Quiet: now go
#Shadestep: especially with pursuit
#Shadestep: cuz you can chip things like pyroar
+erisia: yeah that sounds really good
#Shadestep: for others to clean lategame
+erisia: it just seems like a good special spong and partner for a fast mon that doesn't like swellow
#Shadestep: mhm
 shibuyarin: so if you aim is to also stop aurorus, you kind of want eq, I guess?
+erisia: so maybe floatzel / scyther for a teammate?
#Shadestep: floatzel looks cool :O
#Shadestep: especially if you run facade
#Shadestep: so that lanturn becomes less of an annoyence
#Shadestep: annoyance*
 Eternally: Facade/EQ/Pursuit/Megahorn?
+nv: ^
 shibuyarin: that seems wonky
#Shadestep: sounds good
+nv: tbf you could even go Stone Edge > Pursuit lol
 shibuyarin: you only get good stab if burnt
 shibuyarin: i'd just not run horn
#Shadestep: yea same
+erisia: yeah idk if megahorn is that good on soundproof
#Shadestep: tbh
 Eternally: fair enough, Megahorn is more of a PU slot
 shibuyarin: defensive ghosts are a problem here, I guess
#Shadestep: alright so return / eq / pursuit / facade
#Shadestep: yeah we definitely need something for rotom since it walls this
@Orphic: megahorn could still be of value
 Arbiter Nomadder: you can hit musharna with it is it i think
#Shadestep: hmm fair
 Arbiter Nomadder: isnt fast enough to hit malamar
#Shadestep: wanna come back to that later?
 Eternally: We can decide later, depending on what we're weak too tbh
#Shadestep: yea unless you run like 180 speed evs
+erisia: !ds speed > 100, nu
#Shadestep: you're not faster
#Shadestep: what EV spread would u guys want btw? just max atk, near max HP and a little bit of speed?
 shibuyarin: hm, is there anything with like a physical dark type attack and lum berry that could lure rotom?
#Shadestep: skunk
#Shadestep: but skunk as your only rotom answer would be kinda iffy
#Shadestep: since you cant switch in on a wisp
 shibuyarin: no, I'm just thinking of how to efficiently remove Rotom
 shibuyarin: and potentially other ghosts that want to wisp
#Shadestep: kasib berry rotom.
 shaneghoul: what's team
+nv: Kasib Berry Mismagius is pretty fun tbh
#Shadestep: AV bouff so far
+nv: Just AV Bouuf, Shadestep
 Eternally: AV Bouff
+nv: I mean shaneghoul
+nv: Tab fail fml
#Shadestep: lol
 shibuyarin: AV Bouff with Soundproof; Pursuit, Facade, EQ, Megahorn/Return (undecided)
 shibuyarin: to stop Swellow/Aurorus/Pyroar and chip them with pursuit for other mon to sweep lategame
#Shadestep: yup
+erisia: well you're not chipping aurorus with pursuit
+nv: ^
+erisia: that's like 30%
 shibuyarin: Well, true, but you got EQ so you kinda beat it
+erisia: if it switches
#Shadestep: still 30%
 shibuyarin: and there's also rocks weakness there
#Shadestep: + 25% SR, potentially
+erisia: but yeah just being a solid switch-in should be noted
+nv: I like the idea of Kasib Berry Mismagius to lure Rotom
#Shadestep: also a fighting resist
 shaneghoul: why is our bouff walled by archeops
#Shadestep: aren't all of them
+erisia: what set? wisp / taunt / hex / thunder wave?
 shibuyarin: Could potentially run Edge
 shaneghoul: idk i'd normally run stedge if i was to run bouff
 Eternally: we could run Return/SEdge/EQ/Pursuit
 shibuyarin: Can't switch into scald anymore then :(
+erisia: !dt head charge
+erisia: is this better? idk
#Shadestep: on AV? i doubt it
#Shadestep: hey how about
#Shadestep: defensive mesprit + lanturn
#Shadestep: cuz SR, fighting resist, healing wish, + general pivot
 Eternally: with HW we def dont need facade on bouff, so that would work nicely
 shibuyarin: I don't think we'd run HW for Bouff, though
 shibuyarin: Bouff will mostly pivot, I guess
#Shadestep: yea but it gets worn down since no recovery
+erisia: mesprit sounds nice but healing wish probably isn't necessary
#Shadestep: fair
+erisia: i mean do you run healing wish mesprit for AV yama
 shaneghoul: generally it's best to decide at the end
 shaneghoul: with regards to mesp moveset
#Shadestep: yea agreed
+nv: So we are Bouff, Mes, and Lanturn?
 shaneghoul: are you suggesting we run defensive lanturn?
#Shadestep: hmm not too sure
 shibuyarin: I mean, we handle Pyroar, Swellow and Floatzel pretty well then
#Shadestep: i guess so, isnce Rotom would be annoying otherwise
 shaneghoul: since we don't really want to go with av
 shibuyarin: If we can get something for Archeops, (Liepard) and Tauros
 shaneghoul: since dual av seems kinda meh
 shibuyarin: we could slap on Scyther for a lategame sweep I guess
#Shadestep: oh right
#Shadestep: ~workshop add, AV soundprouff bouffalant
+BB-8-NU: AV soundprouff bouffalant added
#Shadestep: ~workshop add, defensive mesprit
+BB-8-NU: defensive mesprit added
#Shadestep: ~workshop add, lantunr
+BB-8-NU: lantunr added
 gyro: >av soundproof bouf
 shaneghoul: could go av lant and switch up the bouff set i guess
#Shadestep: ~workshop remove, lantunr
+BB-8-NU: lantunr removed
 gyro: what have i joined into
#Shadestep: ~workshop add lanturn
+BB-8-NU: lanturn added
 shaneghoul: idk i just don't feel like av bouff is v good
+erisia: we shall try to make it good :)
 shaneghoul: not saying bouff is bad
#Shadestep: bouff beat u HA
 shaneghoul: i just mean that if you're running bouff
 shaneghoul: av probably isn't the best
 plaessy: just run tauros
 plaessy: ex
 plaessy: ez**
 shaneghoul: and damn you got me shade D:
#Shadestep: bouff and tauros don't do the same thign
#Shadestep: jk shaneghoul <3
 plaessy: but they are both bulls
 plaessy: duh
 shaneghoul: <3
 shibuyarin: I mean, I think the idea here is to screw over special attackers that rely on sound moves
+erisia: av bouff + mesprit + lanturn + sd scyther sounds great
 shibuyarin: so I would run AV
#Shadestep: id suggest we go more like a shaneghoul-balance type of build here
+erisia: we provide a lot of pivot support so make sure we capitalise on that
#Shadestep: thats kinda what we're curving toward anyways
#Shadestep: yea
 shaneghoul: i like scyther
#Shadestep: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: AV soundprouff bouffalant /  defensive mesprit / lanturn
#Shadestep: ~workshop add, SD scyther
+BB-8-NU: SD scyther added
+erisia: and if we go for SD scyther then we need to consider hazard removal. hitmonchan seems obvious as it also checks archeops/tauros a little with LO mach punch
#Shadestep: so next we definitely need a knock off switchin
#Shadestep: oh yeah, hitmonchan works perfectly then
#Shadestep: right?
 shaneghoul: yea chan is cool
+erisia: idk what else we'd do, claydol doesn't really contribute much other than ground STAB
#Shadestep: hitmonchan does however give us an edgequake switchin which we lack
 shaneghoul: we're really rotom weak
#Shadestep: pyroar last yn?
 shibuyarin: I can get behind like, Fist Plate Chan
 shibuyarin: But Rotom really screws us
 shibuyarin: So we either run another pursuit trapper or a __really__ good lure
 shaneghoul: we also don't have a normal resist which could be an issue
+nv: shaneghoul, just run
 shaneghoul: honestly i think with all the volturn we could really benefit from cb bouff
#Shadestep: hey we could change the mesprit to a claydol
+nv: !dt chilan berry
+nv: On Chan
+nv: :)
 shaneghoul: ty nv :)
#Shadestep: hey we could change the mesprit to a claydol, opinions?
+nv: Eh
+nv: I really dislike Claydol
+nv: But that is personally bias
 shaneghoul: i also have a personal bias against claydol
 shibuyarin: Can't we just run Golurk for rocks and normal resist?
 shaneghoul: but i also feel it doesn't work
 shibuyarin: or like, Rhydon?
 shaneghoul: since mesprit is the only thing stopping us from auto losing to tauros
#Shadestep: claydol gives is something for DD rhydon
 shibuyarin: And replace something
#Shadestep: since we're really weak to that
+erisia: we have bouff for swellow so we can kinda get away with a ghost for a normal reisst
 shibuyarin: Rhydon > Mesprit, run something for Rotom?
+erisia: can we deal with kanga though
 shaneghoul: not really lol
 shaneghoul: well not at all tbh
 Eternally: am I the only one that isn't really feeling lanturn
#Shadestep: me neither tbh
+erisia: n i think we could pick a better electric type
+erisia: lanturn feels kinda unnecessary with bouff
+erisia: what about kasib rotom x_x
#Shadestep: :DDDD
 skvettleif: what are the evs?
#Shadestep: on kasib rotom?
 skvettleif: on bouff
#Shadestep: its 32 hp max speed timid and the rest in spatk
 shibuyarin: How about some weird pivot VSwitch Klinklang for momentum and resisting normal?
#Shadestep: -
 shaneghoul: i'm a big advocate of specs klinklang
#Shadestep: not too sure about bouffs ev spread. Max HP and Max Atk could work i feel
+erisia: i think max hp is a good shout
 Eternally: just run 12 Speed for defensive tort
#Shadestep: ~workshop remove, lanturn
+BB-8-NU: lanturn is not in the team
#Shadestep: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: AV soundprouff bouffalant /  defensive mesprit / lanturn /  SD scyther
#Shadestep: ???
 shibuyarin: So am I the only one really feeling Rhydon here?
 shibuyarin: It helps with Archeops, it helps with normals
#Shadestep: ~workshop remove, lanturn
+BB-8-NU: lanturn is not in the team
 shaneghoul: dd rhydon could be fun
#Shadestep: ~workshop remove,  lanturn
+BB-8-NU: lanturn is not in the team
#Shadestep: wtf
 shaneghoul: hate bb8 tbh
#Shadestep: Quite Quiet do u know whats wrong
+nv: Gdi BB-8-NU :/
#Shadestep: ~workshop remove lanturn
+BB-8-NU: lanturn removed
#Shadestep: oh
#Shadestep: ..
 Eternally: lol
#Shadestep: im so good ast this
#Shadestep: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: AV soundprouff bouffalant /  defensive mesprit /  SD scyther
#Shadestep: yeah i dig rhydon too
 shaneghoul: are we keeping chan
#Shadestep: hmm, not sure
 shibuyarin: I think we want a solid scald answer somewhat
 shibuyarin: also frees up a moveslot
#Shadestep: defog skunk?
 shaneghoul: if we go rhydon lum shiftry could be good
 shibuyarin: I was thinking Mant
+erisia: mantine sounds decent
#Shadestep: yea
+nv: Ooo Mantine
+erisia: > when bouff is your ice resist
 shibuyarin: so how do we stop +1 lilli?
+nv: Use Eternally and I's EV spread y/y
 shibuyarin: and ice types?
#Shadestep: hmm
#Shadestep: yea thats definitely a problem
+erisia: although ngl i still like chan as our hazard control.
 shibuyarin: I really don't want to go like, AV Mag here
#Shadestep: ya i dig AV chan
+erisia: it also punches ice types
 shibuyarin: AV Chan when we have AV Bouff?
+erisia: double AV gives us enough general special bulk to not have another switchin imo
+erisia: so we can focus on other things
 Eternally: I'd go AV Chan, or Piloswine + Xatu > Mesp + Chan
#Shadestep: its also a decent shiftry check
 shibuyarin: I guess I just really
 shibuyarin: don't dig double av
 skvettleif: roselia
+erisia: why not?
 Arbiter Nomadder: i dont dig it either
 shibuyarin: well, if you run a pivot you usually do want some chip
 shibuyarin: but if you run AV on too many mons
 shibuyarin: you just become too weak
#Shadestep: eh
 shibuyarin: I also would really like a boosted Mach to finish things off properly
+erisia: yeah that's true
+erisia: anyways i gtg
+erisia: will be back in like half an hour
#Shadestep: cya
#Shadestep: HELP US Eternally
#Shadestep: tyvm
#Shadestep: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: AV soundprouff bouffalant /  defensive mesprit /  SD scyther
#Shadestep: so we decided on DD rhydon ye?
 shibuyarin: I think we kinda did because it helped with archeops and normals
#Shadestep: ~workshop add, DD rhydon
+BB-8-NU: DD rhydon added
+Eternally: back
#Shadestep: hitmonchan too right
+Eternally: ooo
#Shadestep: we can come back to the item later
 shibuyarin: yeah but we can't agree on a set :p
#Shadestep: ~workshop add, hitmonchan
+BB-8-NU: hitmonchan added
+Eternally: We're really weak to Scyther rn
+Eternally: and flying types in general
 shibuyarin: Ice types are also annoying
 shibuyarin: I mean, we kinda discourage grass moves until they figure out the Bouff set
 shibuyarin: so adding Kabutops seems like it would help
 skvettleif: av bouffalant doesnt really take hits well from pyroar, fire blasat does 40%
 shibuyarin: but I'm just not feeling it at all
#Shadestep: we need something fast
#Shadestep: like scarf kabu or like scarf barb
#Shadestep: thoughts?
+Eternally: I like Scarf Kabu a lot
#Shadestep: also Shibuya Rin, AV chan helps immensely vs Lilligant
 shibuyarin: it does
#Shadestep: and people will think twice about clicking sleep powder when there's a bouff on the team
+Eternally: hmm\
 shibuyarin: Scarf Archeops in last slot?
 shibuyarin: nah
 shibuyarin: ice weak
 shibuyarin: :
#Shadestep: kabu is fine i feel
#Shadestep: another fire resist, although shaky
 shibuyarin: I mean, the team kinda drops to HP Grass
#Shadestep: hey do we wanna go stone edge / waterfall / superpower / knock off
#Shadestep: on kabutops?
#Shadestep: for rotoms
#Shadestep: since we have spin on chan already
+Eternally: yeah thats good
#Shadestep: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: AV soundprouff bouffalant /  defensive mesprit /  SD scyther /  DD rhydon /  hitmonchan
#Shadestep: ~workshop add, scarf kabutops
+BB-8-NU: scarf kabutops added
#Shadestep: alright lets get to the mesprit set cuz i didnt really get to that
#Shadestep: id say we run psyshock ice beam SR and .. ?
 shibuyarin: we are
 shibuyarin: really weak to psychics
 shibuyarin: eball psychics and hp grass pyroar really murk us
#Shadestep: so what do you suggest?
 shibuyarin: it sucks we have no good dark type rockers
 Arbiter Nomadder: get the pig
 shibuyarin: or we could do that > mesprit and add another fighting + ice check in last slot
 Arbiter Nomadder: grumpig is dying to be used imo
 shibuyarin: but that sounds like a plan
 shibuyarin: Grumpig > Mesprit, rocks Rhydon and something else in last slot?
#Shadestep: grumpig over what?
#Shadestep: hm
 shibuyarin: Wait please tell me Grumpig wouldn't be AV LOL
#Shadestep: yo i actually dig grumpig a lot
#Shadestep: since another ice and fire resist
 shibuyarin: Also, how much does Grumpig Shadow Ball do to Rotom? I am feeling Shadow Ball Kasib...
+Eternally: if you run Shadow Ball we lose either Focus Blast or Signal Beam :/
#Shadestep: hmm true we can check what coverage we need
#Shadestep: but grumpig > mesprit and then rocks on either rhydon or something else sound good?
 Arbiter Nomadder: psyshock, blast, signal, status / taunt
+Eternally: yeah that sounds decent
#Shadestep: ok
#Shadestep: ~workshop remove mesprit
+BB-8-NU: mesprit is not in the team
#Shadestep: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: AV soundprouff bouffalant /  defensive mesprit /  SD scyther /  DD rhydon /  hitmonchan /  scarf kabutops
#Shadestep: ~workshop remove defensive mesprit
+BB-8-NU: defensive mesprit is not in the team
#Shadestep: ??????????
#Shadestep: ~workshop remove, defensive mesprit
+BB-8-NU: defensive mesprit removed
#Shadestep: ~workshop add grumpig
+BB-8-NU: grumpig added
#Shadestep: we could go with standard rhydon then
#Shadestep: like defensive-ish
+Eternally: yeh
+erisia: revenge of rocks rhydon
#Shadestep: SR / eq / rock blast / megahorn?
#Shadestep: or toxic :o
+Eternally: Toxic is fun ngl
+erisia: probably megahorn since bouff isn't using it?
+Eternally: but yeah ^
#Shadestep: anyone got a spread?
+erisia: just use your spread
#Shadestep: ok
+erisia: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: AV soundprouff bouffalant /  SD scyther /  DD rhydon /  hitmonchan /  scarf kabutops / grumpig
+erisia: why grumpig over mesprit
 shibuyarin: To give us a better ice switch-in
#Shadestep: yea
+erisia: are we AV chan or not
#Shadestep: more solid magmortar check too
+erisia: we have AV bouff, i know it gets chipped but i thought the point of running that is we don't need another ice/fire check. maybe this is something that will come out in testing
 shibuyarin: No, I do think we do need another
 shibuyarin: I would also really like Kasib Grumpig fsr because I think luring Rotom would be great
 shibuyarin: That said... we kinda dropped to Eball Psychics before
 shibuyarin: like, more than we should
#Shadestep: id just go colbur
 shibuyarin: probably
#Shadestep: psychic focus blast shadowball/signal beam taunt
#Shadestep: ?
 shibuyarin: probably signal beam if colbur
#Shadestep: http://hastebin.com/oduxavosav.md
#Shadestep: then this should be the team right?
 shibuyarin: hm
 shibuyarin: U-turn on Scyther
 shibuyarin: isn't our aim really to clean?
+erisia: it doesn't seem like anything needs pivot support
 shibuyarin: Also, can we like, remove Kabu? We are super weak to fighting.
#Shadestep: replace with?
#Shadestep: scarf shiftry?
 shibuyarin: Why is every potential scarfer so weak to
 shibuyarin: fighting
#Shadestep: i dont really think fighting is __that__ big of a weakness to this team
#Shadestep: oh oops, replace lefties with Colbur Berry on grumpig
#Shadestep: any other adjustments?
#Shadestep: ~workshop team
+BB-8-NU: AV soundprouff bouffalant /  SD scyther /  DD rhydon /  hitmonchan /  scarf kabutops / grumpig