[07:15] <anarchystar> morning
[07:16] <SuSEno> Morning anarchystar, afternoon here :-)
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[07:17] <SuSEno> anarchystar: have you read this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=537772
[07:21] <Hugo2_> anarchystar: can you comment on lnovy comments about his proposed changes and closing the source?
[07:32] <lnovy> anarchystar: I'll be glad if you resolve this
[07:34] <anarchystar> lnovy: sorry which comments i miss?
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[07:35] <lnovy> anarchystar: just explain what was the reason to close the source...
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[07:36] <anarchystar> we will make an api and not make hashes public right now
[07:36] <anarchystar> also, open source.. many comments.. much time wasted
[07:37] <anarchystar> these guys are paid per hour
[07:37] <anarchystar> this is not a profitable product
[07:38] <anarchystar> i have some good news, i will be able to release docs today from court
[07:38] <jhansen858> good news? do tell
[07:39] <lnovy> so why not just choose a bsd licence, or gplv2, you can than make any changes you want and not publish them... and invite some other devels (eg. me), to take care of the request that were taking so much time?
[07:41] <lnovy> there is a potential huge potential privacy leak issue with the way it's done right now, I've tried to get that fixed, project code was delete from github instead..
[07:41] <anarchystar> which privacy leak issue?
[07:45] <lnovy> you are able to store email address + mtgox username and in the cases of nonzero btc balance you can actually locate users balance outside mtgox... and it's possible for most identities even with zero balance... also with some more trickery, you are able to connect users mtgox identity to his other online identities
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[07:49] <Lasseter> anarchystar: so, when are you releasing the docs today?
[07:50] <anarchystar> lnovy: i guess thats why its better to store it in our database instead of making it publich with a hash
[07:50] <lnovy> no... that's a reason why you should not have these at all
[07:50] <anarchystar> Lasseter: depends how quick the lawfirm replies
[07:50] <anarchystar> lnovy: not have what at all?
[07:51] <lnovy> email addresses
[07:51] <sz4dy> anarchystar: why did You remove all records from mtgoxblanace?
[07:51] <anarchystar> lnovy: whats wrong with having the email? the only alternative is to ask people to provide a password and thats confusing
[07:51] <edubai> if emails are leaked with ability to locate whose user on mtgox that will be a huge security risk, BE CAREFUL
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[07:52] <anarchystar> sz4dy: cause we reset the database, it was still beta..
[07:53] <edubai> it can also be used to hack accounts
[07:53] <lnovy> there was no reason to reset the database... besides one... it's easier to get people to send you emails once again then is to crack them from hashes
[07:55] <lnovy> anarchystar: could you specify how much btc have you transfered to BB account? By my counting, it should be about 10000 BTC... btc transfer log doesn't shows such internal transfer...
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[07:55] <edubai>  <lnovy> you are able to store email address + mtgox username and in the cases of nonzero btc balance you can actually locate users balance outside mtgox... and it's possible for most identities even with zero balance... also with some more trickery, you are able to connect users mtgox identity to his other online identities << EXACTLY, if that happens everyone will be fucked !
[07:57] <lnovy> And I was too loud about it on github, so it was decided, it's better to silence me?
[07:57] <edubai> i suggest those data to be deleted immedietly
[07:57] <lnovy> there is absolutely not a single reason to delete repository from github for the purporse of "close sourcing" the code
[07:59] <lnovy> anarchystar: you'd better make your things straight or you will be proclamed as scamer by community...
[07:59] <Lasseter> lnovy is making a pretty good argument.  I never entered my info into that form out of suspicion.  It may be fine, but there is an element of risk and little to gain for me.
[07:59] <edubai> he may also get a law suit from mtgox
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[08:02] <edubai> i didnt enter my information too, i know what will happen if i disclose that information to a 3rd party... at some point that data will be leaked and everyone will be targeted, better to delete it than be sorry
[08:03] <lnovy> that's why I proposed the service to not store anything, only implement signing the downloaded data together with trusted timestamp... both request were denied
[08:04] <jhansen858> so on a scale of 1 being gox is going to return the 200k bitcoins to 10 being they found the other 650k bitcoins how good is the news?
[08:04] <MagicalGag> jhansen858: so on a scale of 1 being gox is going to return the 200k bitcoins to 10 being they found the other 650k bitcoins how good is the news? <-- Yes, I am a member of mensa
[08:04] <jhansen858> fuck you magical gag lol
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[08:12] <lnovy> I think we have our answer now
[08:13] <_biO_> what was the question?
[08:13] <anarchystar> lnovy: im sorry, but we never released the source code for mtgoxrecovery and also collected 3000+ users info
[08:14] <anarchystar> lnovy: if you want to kill any initiative that will try to give people back a %.. go ahead.. call it a scam..
[08:14] <lnovy> that's something completly different as you cannot connect mtgoxrecovery submitted data reliable to database dump
[08:14] <edubai> i still trust Mark with my bitcoins
[08:15] <anarchystar> lnovy: i dont even see how it can be a scam..
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[08:15] <anarchystar> brb need to clear my cache
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[08:15] <anarchystar> irccloud slow
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[08:16] <anarchystar> ok
[08:16] <lnovy> ok... why are you asking for email addresses then?
[08:17] <anarchystar> also, ive made $0 on this whole thing, ive spent over $40k on lawyer fees, a shitload on development fees to get the websites made, etc
[08:17] <_biO_> why?
[08:17] <anarchystar> tbh im getting sick and tired of people calling it a scam, and i can just walk away and you know what will happen?
[08:17] <lnovy> lol... I've said the code was over average, but it was nothing that couldn't have been done under 2 hours
[08:18] <anarchystar> mtgox will re-open, with mark at the head
[08:18] <lnovy> don't try to sidetrack
[08:18] <edubai> YES !!!! WE WANT MARK BACK !
[08:18] <anarchystar> im not sidetracking..
[08:18] <lnovy> ok... why are you asking for email addresses then?
[08:18] <Blitzboom> anarchystar: seriously? mtgox plans to reopen with mark as CEO?
[08:19] <lnovy> Blitzboom: yes, that will happen
[08:19] <anarchystar> explain to me the alternative of an email address, so we can confirm the user when he signs up at a website and claim his %?
[08:19] <lnovy> hash
[08:19] <Blitzboom> lnovy: where did you hear that?
[08:19] <lnovy> run it through a url shortener,
[08:19] <lnovy> easy
[08:19] <Blitzboom> not sure if you are pulling my leg or not
[08:19] <anarchystar> Blitzboom: no, were not
[08:19] <jhansen858> but how are funds getting distributed through a 3rd party?
[08:19] <lnovy> Blitzboom: it's most probable now :(
[08:19] <jhansen858> that is what is going to happen?
[08:20] <edubai> anarchystar, you need a computer security course.. SERIOUSLY
[08:20] <Blitzboom> why is it most probable now?
[08:20] <_biO_> Blitzboom: they said they are trying to recover the damages
[08:20] <_biO_> Blitzboom: probably by continuing to operate
[08:20] <anarchystar> edubai shut up
[08:20] <Blitzboom> did i miss something?
[08:20] <edubai> anarchystar, you are a scammer
[08:20] <SuSEno> I don't mind if I give my e-mail address to anarchystar, even my passport scan.
[08:21] <lnovy> i've proposed a clean solution, generate sha256(rand()) and send that to the user, no email required
[08:21] <jhansen858> i don't think anarchystar has bad intentions not like hes anon
[08:21] <edubai> that guy may may want to help us, but he will cause damage without knowing
[08:22] <jhansen858> just dont use same email as mtgox.. prob solved?
[08:22] <lnovy> I was answered, that it is not user friendly, I proposed running that through url shortener... issues was closed as won't fix
[08:22] <Blitzboom> lol if mtgox comes back to gox people again
[08:22] <lnovy> jhansen858: that's actually worse
[08:22] <jhansen858> can we get the good news?  I could use some good news
[08:22] <Blitzboom> lnovy, anarchystar: how do you know the CEO is to be mark himself again?
[08:22] <myrond> edubai: accusations without even a reason....
[08:22] <anarchystar> lnovy: generate a sha256 rand and send that to the user.. so he can store it in his mailbox.. you think thats safer?
[08:23] <lnovy> yes
[08:23] <anarchystar> lnovy: when he signs up at a charity website, that charity sends him a confirm email.. thats it
[08:23] <lnovy> this is not a charity
[08:23] <Blitzboom> oh nvm. i completely missed "tbh im getting sick and tired of people calling it a scam, and i can just walk away and you know what will happen?"
[08:23] <samson_> any news at all ? Been sleeping for about 8 hours
[08:23] <edubai> myrond, wait until you recieve a scam thru your email pretending to be from mtgox with all your real information
[08:23] <Blitzboom> now things make sense again
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[08:23] <anarchystar> lnovy: i dont see issues storing the users email address.. if heaven falls down and it gets hacked.. they have an email address.. end of the world?
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[08:23] <SuSEno> you don't mind to give your e-mail address to Gox who stole your coin, but you have objection to give your e-mail to anarchystar who are trying to help you.
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[08:24] <lnovy> anarchystar: you seems to not understand how privacy works
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[08:24] <edubai> lnovy, soon they will close his window, and everything will be leaked
[08:24] <myrond> edubai: ummm... so what?  my email has already been leaked in the 2011 hack AND it has been successfully linked already
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[08:24] <edubai> break his window **
[08:24] <myrond> edubai: that information is already out there
[08:25] <myrond> edubai: certainly none of this information is out there because of anarchystar
[08:25] <jhansen858> i mean if gox starts back up, they would have to refund the moeny from their site directly?
[08:25] <anarchystar> lnovy: also ask any of the users on the mtgoxrecovery site if they received spam or any other crap.. answer is no
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[08:25] <lnovy> myrond: yeah... that's why the website says, that "This email does not have to be your MtGox email."
[08:26] <lnovy> anarchystar: that's something completly unrelated to this issue
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[08:26] <defy_> lnovy the site doesn't ask for the email address assosiated with gox, it simply asked for AN email address. Anyone with half a clue would have entered an anonymous email. it's just a point of contact
[08:26] <anarchystar> lnovy: its not.. now we have a more accurate balance figure.. thats it
[08:26] <jhansen858> just put a disclaimer on there and let the user decide
[08:26] <anarchystar> lnovy: i already know the balance of over 3000 people anyway
[08:27] <sz4dy> so far I havent seen even one proof that anarchystar did anything... ale he is doing is saying "I claimed this, I made mtgox to do that, my lawyers sent this..". Prove it, publish at least one document otherwise it will look like You doing proper marketing and nothing more ;)
[08:27] <lnovy> anarchystar: now you have a accurate way to connect that user which visited your website, to his complete mtgox history and in most cases even his current bitcoin portfolio outside of mtgox... you don't see a problem with this?
[08:27] <edubai> parasite
[08:27] <anarchystar> sz4dy: i will release a lot of docs today
[08:27] <lnovy> sz4dy: okaj... let's see
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[08:28] <lnovy> anarchystar: can you give us the information how much exactly have you send to BB account to be sold through it?
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[08:28] <samson_> anarchystar: Where will the docs be released ?
[08:28] <defy_> anarchystar the bitcoin community is paranoid by nature. THIS bitcoin community is paranoid AND angry. this behavior is expected. don't let a couple of nutjobs ruin what you're doing
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[08:29] <kcinolo_> I'm not angry I'm in denial
[08:29] <kcinolo_> one step at a time
[08:29] <anarchystar> samson_: on the mailing list, blog, etc
[08:29] <anarchystar> defy_: yes i know.. but if you dont reply they will automatically come to conlusions and i have better things to do
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