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3:05 PM <@AlvaroMolina> -.-
3:05 PM mode: AlvaroMolina (opped, de-opped) and Debra (opped, de-opped)
3:05 PM <@Matthew_> ... can we not?
3:05 PM mode: @AlvaroMolina (de-opped, opped) and @Debra (de-opped, opped)
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3:05 PM <@AlvaroMolina> Debra: ...
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3:06 PM <@NotASpy> what the fuck ?
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3:06 PM <@Matthew_> NotASpy: Debra and AlvaroMolina are arguing over ops.
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3:06 PM AlvaroMolina was de-opped (-o) by ChanServ
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3:06 PM <AlvaroMolina> Debra: Please deop me.
3:06 PM mode: @AlvaroMolina (opped) and @Debra (opped)
3:06 PM @AlvaroMolina was opped (+o) by ChanServ
3:06 PM @Debra was opped (+o) by ChanServ
3:06 PM <@natuur12> How old are you? Plz....
3:06 PM <@AlvaroMolina> Agh.
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3:07 PM AlvaroMolina was de-opped (-o) by ChanServ
3:07 PM Debra was de-opped (-o) by ChanServ
3:07 PM <@NotASpy> STOP
3:07 PM <AlvaroMolina> Debra: Please not deop me.
3:07 PM mode: @AlvaroMolina (opped) and Debra (opped, de-opped)
3:07 PM @AlvaroMolina was opped (+o) by ChanServ
3:07 PM @Debra was opped (+o) by ChanServ
3:07 PM Debra was de-opped (-o) by ChanServ
3:07 PM <Debra> AlvaroMolina: Yes?
3:08 PM <@AlvaroMolina> 9.9
3:08 PM <@Matthew_> I'm about to stur the pot here.. but why is everyone even opped in here?  COuldn't we do voice and +m?
3:08 PM <@AlvaroMolina> Luckily I was not AlexZ or angry face would be awesome.
3:09 PM <Debra> Matthew_: No idea.
3:09 PM <Debra> This channel is pretty ratchet.
3:09 PM <@natuur12> If it ain't broken....
3:09 PM <@NotASpy> been like this since it was set up
3:09 PM <@JD|cloud> doesn't answer the question though
3:09 PM @Debra was opped (+o) by JD|cloud
3:09 PM <@Matthew_> I'm not advising change, I'm just curious.
3:09 PM <@AlvaroMolina> Matthew_: Because the channel is +mz and is supposed to come users to communicate privately with operators.
3:10 PM <@Matthew_> Voice would accomplish that the same way...
3:10 PM <@Matthew_> Unless I don't understand +z properly...
3:10 PM <@AlvaroMolina> Therefore, in this way, operators can only read messages from other without voice.
3:10 PM <@Debra> There's no reason for auto-op in here.
3:10 PM <@Debra> And it's antithetical to both freenode's values and Wikimedia's values.
3:10 PM <@JD|cloud> Matthew_: +z means no other non-op users can see it
3:11 PM <@Matthew_> Hm.  Then wouldn't just +m and voice accomplish the same thing?
3:11 PM mode: AlvaroMolina (de-opped), Debra (de-opped) and JD|cloud (de-opped)
3:11 PM AlvaroMolina was de-opped (-o) by ChanServ
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3:11 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Debra: If I understand the reason for this channel its setup similar to -revdel. Only ops can see unvoiced users requests.
3:11 PM <AlvaroMolina> ...
3:11 PM mode: @JD|cloud (opped) and @AlvaroMolina (opped)
3:11 PM @JD|cloud was opped (+o) by ChanServ
3:11 PM @AlvaroMolina was opped (+o) by JD|cloud
3:11 PM <@Matthew_> Can we stop arguing over chanserv please?  It's an annoying flood.
3:11 PM <@JD|cloud> Debra: okay, seriously, cut it out
3:11 PM <Debra> JD|cloud: You opped me, bro.
3:11 PM mode: Debra (opped, de-opped)
3:11 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Okat lets stop playing with ops
3:12 PM <@[[Cameron]]> *Okay
3:12 PM <Debra> let's *
3:12 PM <@AlvaroMolina> God !!
3:12 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Debra: Really?
3:12 PM @Debra was opped (+o) by ChanServ
3:12 PM <@Debra> [[Cameron]]: Yeah, it's a contraction.
3:12 PM <@Debra> For "let us".
3:12 PM Debra was de-opped (-o) by ChanServ
3:12 PM <@AlvaroMolina> Debra: Seriously please.
3:12 PM @Debra was opped (+o) by ChanServ
3:12 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Debra: I get that I was calling out your atrocious social skills
3:12 PM <@[[Cameron]]> :p
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3:13 PM @AlvaroMolina was opped (+o) by JD|cloud
3:13 PM <@natuur12> Just stop it....
3:13 PM <@JD|cloud> really Debra
3:13 PM <@AlvaroMolina> AlexZ: This?
3:13 PM <@JD|cloud> you're gonna wheel war over that...
3:13 PM @Debra was opped (+o) by ChanServ
3:13 PM <@Debra> JD|cloud: Over not having unnecessary ops?
3:13 PM mode: AlvaroMolina (de-opped) and Debra (de-opped)
3:13 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Who do we ping when the -ops-internal channel is weirding out
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3:13 PM @AlvaroMolina was opped (+o) by JD|cloud
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3:13 PM <@JD|cloud> guys
3:13 PM <@JD|cloud> stop wheel warring
3:13 PM <@Matthew_> [[Cameron]]: The ops?  oh... wait.
3:13 PM <@JD|cloud> Debra it's not your decision to make
3:14 PM <@stwalkerster> for fucks sake guys, enough.
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3:14 PM <@[[Cameron]]> ping AlexZ  can you sort this out
3:14 PM <@JD|cloud> you can call it "unnecessary"
3:14 PM Debra was de-opped (-o) by ChanServ
3:14 PM <@JD|cloud> but it's not your prerogative
3:14 PM <Debra> JD|cloud: Says who?
3:14 PM @Debra was opped (+o) by ChanServ
3:14 PM <@JD|cloud> b/c this is something that needs consensus
3:14 PM Debra was de-opped (-o) by ChanServ
3:14 PM <Debra> No it really doesn't.
3:14 PM ← Debra (snerk@wikipedia/MZMcBride) was kicked by @[[Cameron]]: Thats enough :/
3:14 PM <@AlvaroMolina> Debra: Please stop.
3:14 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Problem solved
3:14 PM <@natuur12> I already wondered who would be the first to hit the kick button.
3:14 PM <@Matthew_> I was close.  But...
3:15 PM <@AlvaroMolina> Thanks, [[Cameron]]
3:15 PM <@NotASpy> oh aye, Problem solved. Not.
3:15 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Y'all need to act like adults
3:15 PM <@Matthew_> Debra is of course retaliating in other channels.
3:15 PM <@NotASpy> just fucked it up more, haven't you.
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3:15 PM <Debra> [[Cameron]]: Bad move.
3:15 PM @Debra was opped (+o) by ChanServ
3:15 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Debra: Stop acting like a child
3:15 PM <@Matthew_> Okay that's enough.
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3:16 PM <@NotASpy> we've got enough trouble with our long term IP hopping troll, we don't have the time to waste on in-fighting.
3:16 PM Debra was de-opped (-o) by ChanServ
3:16 PM <Debra> AlvaroMolina: Please stop opping me in here or any other channel.
3:16 PM ← Debra (snerk@wikipedia/MZMcBride) was kicked by @AlvaroMolina: Tiring User
3:16 PM <@NotASpy> AlvaroMolina: please don't do that.
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3:17 PM <@AlvaroMolina> I better go now before me infected.
3:17 PM <@JD|cloud> I think a bunch of you have to look at http://enwp.org/WP:BEAR
3:17 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Lets all just chill out and have a cup of tea?
3:17 PM <@AlvaroMolina> AlexZ: Solve this please.
3:17 PM <Debra> AlvaroMolina: Solve what?
3:17 PM <Debra> Explain the problem.
3:18 PM <@AlvaroMolina> I'm busy now. Thanks.
3:18 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Both of you need to chill
3:18 PM <Debra> AlvaroMolina: Of course you are.
3:19 PM <@Platonides> oh, come on MZMcBride]
3:19 PM <Debra> Platonides: What?
3:19 PM <@AlvaroMolina> 9.9
3:19 PM <@Platonides> relax :)
3:19 PM <Debra> I'm relaxed.
3:19 PM <Debra> AlvaroMolina is insisting on opping me.
3:20 PM <@Platonides> ok, then it's not worth to stress by arguing :P
3:20 PM <@JD|cloud> and you're insisting on going against the grain
3:20 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Debra: Are you fine being voiced? So you can at least be identified as an operator?
3:20 PM <Debra> In here?
3:20 PM <@JD|cloud> both of you really are doing a tempest in a teacup right here
3:20 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Yes
3:20 PM <Debra> Nah.
3:20 PM <@AlvaroMolina> Debra you started me to remove me. But better not keep you current.
3:20 PM <@JD|cloud> Debra: and while you're not +v'd, gry cannot see your messages
3:20 PM <Debra> JD|cloud: Great!
3:21 PM <@AlvaroMolina> :'(
3:21 PM <Debra> Why on earth would I care about that?
3:21 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Debra: was the Nah to me or someone else?
3:21 PM <@JD|cloud> she'd like to see the whole story
3:21 PM <Debra> [[Cameron]]: You.
3:21 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Debra: Thanks for the clarification
3:21 PM <Debra> I thought gry was the bot.
3:21 PM <@Platonides> well, if you don't care about people not reading you…
3:21 PM <Debra> Which bot am I thinking of?
3:21 PM <@JD|cloud> gry is not a bot
3:21 PM <@JD|cloud> :<
3:21 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Debra: asimov maybe?
3:21 PM <Debra> Which one is the bot?
3:21 PM <Debra> No.
3:21 PM <@Matiia> maybe eir
3:21 PM <Debra> Three-letter bot, not eir.
3:21 PM <Debra> The spam bot?
3:22 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Sigyn?
3:22 PM <@JD|cloud> there are no bots in here
3:22 PM <Debra> So you think!
3:22 PM — @Platonides gives a turing test to Debra to fill out
3:22 PM <Debra> AlvaroMolina: Sure, I told you several weeks ago to stop opping me.
3:23 PM <Debra> Platonides: You can read my messages just fine.
3:23 PM <@Platonides> that's because I'm opped
3:23 PM <Debra> And?
3:23 PM <Debra> I can also read your messages. What's the issue?
3:23 PM <@Platonides> and the channel is +z
3:24 PM <Debra> So I don't see messages from other people complaining? Sounds perfect.
3:24 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Debra: then you have no reason to really be in here do you?
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3:24 PM <Debra> [[Cameron]]: Not at all, really.
3:24 PM <Debra> It was some requirement that ops be in here at some point.
3:24 PM <@[[Cameron]]> ...
3:24 PM <Debra> I've been around for a pretty long time now.
3:25 PM <Debra> [18:25] ChanServ(ChanServ@services.) 176   cameron11598           +AOViotv (op) [modified 4d 18h 21m 15s ago]
3:25 PM <Debra> Heh.
3:25 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Your point?
3:25 PM <Debra> I like that I'm getting kicked from here and told what's what by someone who became an op in the past week.
3:25 PM <@JD|cloud> so you're trying to play the experience card?
3:25 PM <@JD|cloud> what a red herring
3:26 PM <Debra> Pinged.
3:26 PM <@[[Cameron]]> Debra: I like that I'm more mature than someone who has been here "a pretty long time"
3:26 PM <@natuur12> Please refrain from making ad hominem attacks
3:26 PM <Debra> Maturity is kicking people?
3:26 PM <Debra> natuur12: I don't think anyone is attacking.
3:26 PM <@NotASpy> it's certainly not fighting over being op'd or not and flooding the channel with chanserv messages.
3:26 PM <@natuur12> You are so please refrain from doing so.
3:27 PM <+gry> Yeah, I'm quite human. I don't see what Debra is saying.
3:27 PM <Debra> Nice.
3:27 PM <Debra> JD|cloud: Do ops need to be in here these days?
3:27 PM <Debra> JD|cloud: Also, the experience card is fine to play.
3:28 PM <@JD|cloud> not a question I can answer, Debra
3:28 PM <Debra> Huh, all right.
3:28 PM <@JD|cloud> the experience card is a red herring in this particular situation
3:28 PM <Debra> You seem to have all the answers lately!
3:28 PM <@Platonides> I don't think there's a problem if you choose to leave the channel
3:28 PM <Debra> Guess not that one.
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3:28 PM <Debra> Platonides: Cool. I guess someone will complain if there is.
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3:28 PM <@NotASpy> given the issues we're encountering with the IP hopping troll, it's probably to be encouraged that all ops are present in here at the moment, so we can collaborate on controlling them.
3:29 PM — @JD|cloud pokes AlexZ
3:29 PM <@Platonides> I don't think his stay was productive…
3:30 PM <@natuur12> He was in the wrong but so was AlvaroMolina.
3:30 PM <@[[Cameron]]> So forgive me for this. I'm new but is it always like this?
3:30 PM <@JD|cloud> no
3:30 PM <+gry> What is his point which I didn't see?
3:30 PM — @JD|cloud PM's gry a pastebin of the log