DF Game Club: Kentucky Route Zero, Act 3 (part 3 + devchat)

(06:57:19) Syd: Hey cc_jake!
(06:57:36) Cheeseness: Hey cc_jake :)
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(06:59:15) Cheeseness: Hey Corben
(06:59:29) Cheeseness: I'll get the stream going in a sec
(07:00:19) Syd: Stream is live
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(07:01:07) Cheeseness: We'll be spending most of our time in the brewery today in the stream (note to self, pronounce "brewery" properly next time)
(07:01:23) Cheeseness: Ha ha, chat window win
(07:01:28) serena: :D
(07:01:49) Fhqwhgod: Steam <3
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cc_jake cc_tamas
(07:02:16) Cheeseness: cc_jake: What challenges do you think developers of "episodic" games face that aren't something that games released as a single title?
(07:02:18) Cheeseness: Hey Praash
(07:02:25) Praash: Hey!
(07:02:46) Corben: Hey Cheeseness ;)
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(07:03:35) Cheeseness: Hey Sven_Q45
(07:03:39) cc_jake: i think the hardest part for us has been having to balance support for what's out already with development of the next episode at the same time?
(07:03:52) Sven_Q45: hi
(07:03:55) cc_jake: that might not be as much of an issue for a larger or more structured company tho
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(07:04:19) Cheeseness: Hey ExasperatedMoose
cc_jake cc_tamas
(07:05:51) Cheeseness: cc_jake: I've seen other developers struggle with sentiments of "Episodic gaming is a scam". Have you had to address much of that?
(07:06:00) Cheeseness: Oh, cc_tamas is here too! Hi! :D
(07:06:11) cc_tamas: hi :)
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(07:07:15) cc_jake: Cheeseness: i don't know why internet people are so obsessed with the idea of "scams" -- making a videogame would be the most labor-intensive and low-return scam I can imagine
(07:07:16) Permafry_42: Hi all!
(07:07:36) Cheeseness: I can relate that to that sentiment :D
(07:07:40) Cheeseness: Hey Permafry_42
(07:09:39) Cheeseness: It'll be interesting to see whether/how perceptions of people like that shift when Act V is released and the game is "complete" (whatever that means)
(07:09:53) ExasperatedMoose: But if you paid actual money and didn't get everything you wanted right when you wanted it then it must be a scam!
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(07:11:14) Cheeseness: I think I waffled on about it previously, but I really love the atmosphere that the text effects give
(07:12:56) Cheeseness: cc_jake, cc_tamas: What sort of inspirations did this locale have?
(07:13:00) cc_jake: oh thx! ya hard to know the line with that text stuff -- we want to be playful with the type but also keep from wearing on people's eyes :)
(07:13:45) cc_tamas: we were looking at bourbon distillery tours a lot, as a way to move through a space
(07:13:56) Permafry_42: i say this every stream, but the art for the background, especially the old machinery, is amazing
(07:13:58) Cheeseness: It's great. The background silence-being-played back-by-an-old-recorder effect really compliments it
(07:14:57) cc_jake: tamas had some reference images from old james bond movies for this, too :)
(07:15:10) cc_jake: like the strangely mod underground lair
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(07:15:31) Cheeseness: Do you feel that feedback from gamers and having time to reflect on your own work influences how you've been approaching subsequent episodes?
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(07:15:42) cc_tamas: right, like ken adams' approach to lairs
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(07:16:20) Cheeseness: I assume that "she" is Weaver
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(07:17:32) Cheeseness: It's definitely an interpretation, but I feel like Cnway and Shannon have some bonding time here
(07:18:15) cc_jake: yeah it's a huge space so we found some opportunities for them to talk a bit more directly
(07:18:50) cc_jake: and dance a bit it seems haha
(07:19:10) serena: do you plan to translate the game into other languages?
(07:19:10) Cheeseness: :D
(07:19:27) Cheeseness: Speaking of which, were there any patfinding challenges with the driving stuff that you encountere?
(07:19:33) Cheeseness: Hmmm... seems like we're stuck here
(07:19:37) Cheeseness: Oh, there we go
(07:19:43) cc_tamas: i'm so embarrased
(07:19:51) cc_tamas: sorry about that :/
(07:20:04) Cheeseness: Ha ha, it's OK :D
(07:20:08) cc_jake: serena: we hope to do translations/localizations a bit later but it's a bit complicated for krz because of the way the game handles text
(07:20:52) Cheeseness: I'm having trouble getting back in the car. Let's see if it comes right after looking at something else
(07:20:59) serena: i see.
(07:21:12) Permafry_42: Out of curiosity, has a console or tablet port for the game ever been considered?
(07:22:05) cc_jake: this is a known but relatively rare bug, ya
(07:22:12) Cheeseness: It happens ^_^
(07:22:14) cc_tamas: Permafry_42: it's something we're hoping to look at more closely when all 5 acts are completed, given the bandwidth we have
(07:22:23) Cheeseness: Two seconds. I'll stop the stream for a tick and then pick up in a moment
(07:22:28) Cheeseness: Bear with us, people :)
(07:22:34) cc_jake: ha sorry about that!
(07:24:00) serena: re: translation. i was thinking about fan made add-ons, like they did with 'gone home', for example. guess it's not possible/you prefer not to?
(07:25:21) cc_jake: serena: yeah, we would like to work with translators who we trust -- there are also some technical issues with non-English alphabets
(07:25:32) Cheeseness: Alrighty, stream should be back up. Pause and play if it's not showing :)
(07:25:38) Cheeseness: (sorry about the wait there)
(07:25:57) ExasperatedMoose: So what other games or media have been your biggest inspirations for this title?
(07:25:58) cc_jake: serena: basically the font we use in the game is all adjusted by hand
(07:26:23) Cheeseness: I love the car music
(07:26:44) serena: cc_jake: i'd prefer to see it translated by a professional too
(07:26:58) serena: cc_jake: wow that must be a lot of work with the font!
(07:27:38) serena: it's just a shame i can't share ktz with some of my friends.. yet
(07:28:19) Cheeseness: Are we missing sound?
(07:28:25) Fhqwhgod: No
(07:28:25) Permafry_42: I imagine it would be especially hard to translate into non roman-based characters like kanji
(07:28:56) Permafry_42: sounds is good for me
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(07:29:59) Cheeseness: Doolittle's attitude feels more sincere than most tour guides. He's really into it
(07:30:10) serena: it just occurred to me, Hard Times must own the museum of dwellings too
(07:30:32) Cheeseness: Doesn't the Power Company own that?
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(07:30:45) Cheeseness: Ah, this is not our day
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(07:30:56) serena: awww
(07:31:02) Cheeseness: Ah, there we go!
(07:31:08) Permafry_42: yay!
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(07:32:29) serena: the character asking questions to the inhabitants of the museum: he talked like doolittle, didn't he?
(07:32:52) Cheeseness: cc_jake, cc_tamas: I can't recall if we've talked about antialiasing when you've been here. Did you experiment with any graphical effects like that or dithering which you opted to not go with?
(07:32:54) cc_jake: yeah, same text treatment :)
(07:33:11) Permafry_42: it may be that i'm obsessed with details, but i really love the crt flicker effect on the skeletons
(07:33:41) Cheeseness: I've seen some people force AA at the driver level, but I feel like it takes something away from the game
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(07:34:16) Syd: I gotta hop out for a bit, I should be back before the end of the session.
(07:34:19) Cheeseness: Hey Geek95
(07:34:23) Cheeseness: No worries, Syd ^_^
(07:34:25) Geek95: Hey :)
(07:34:26) cc_tamas: for me it's a stylistic visual quotation about an era of games, just like quoting a brutalist building or a garment
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(07:34:35) Cheeseness: Ooh, headlights
(07:35:24) serena: very 'another world'
(07:36:03) Corben: and 'flashback' ;)
(07:36:11) Cheeseness: Only in the cutscenes ^_^
(07:36:30) Cheeseness: Flashback felt quite painterly to me in-game
(07:36:43) cc_jake: yeah true
(07:36:55) cc_jake: those are both beautiful -- Another World is a favorite of ours
(07:37:02) Cheeseness: I love Another World
(07:37:08) serena: :)
(07:37:28) Cheeseness: That was the first game I played that made me think about games being more than a mechanically enjoyable experience
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(07:38:32) Cheeseness: There are more character interaction points here than anywhere else in the game, I think
(07:38:33) Corben: have been some great games from dephline software. also their adventure future wars
(07:38:46) Cheeseness: Chahi did Future Wars as well, right?
(07:38:57) Cheeseness: I haven't played that myself
(07:39:10) Corben: i loved that adventure
(07:39:35) cc_jake: oh cool, haven't played that one
(07:40:01) Cheeseness: It's pre-Another World
(07:40:28) Cheeseness: I think anotherworld.fr has some stuff about it where it talks about AW's history and legacy
(07:40:45) Cheeseness: So many tales of woe!
(07:41:01) Corben: they made also another two adventures before another world: operation stealth and cruise for a corpse
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(07:41:18) Cheeseness: Eric Chahi wasn't involved in those though (he wasn't involved in Flashback either)
(07:41:50) cc_jake: ha yeah this is the gallery of woes
(07:42:06) serena: degaussing poor people
(07:42:16) Permafry_42: does anyone know of a legal way to play the game excluding finding a physical copy of the game online?
(07:42:24) Permafry_42: for future wars i mean
(07:42:58) Cheeseness: I really feel like all those years I spent practicing degaussing monitors is paying off now :D
(07:43:02) Corben: aah, it seems to be on abandonia
(07:43:15) Corben: http://www.abandonia.com/en/search_abandonia/future+wars
(07:43:34) Permafry_42: cool; i'll be sure to try it out when i have the chance
(07:43:57) Corben: sry, this is the real link: http://www.abandonia.com/en/search_abandonia/future+wars
(07:44:04) Corben: hmm.... nope
(07:44:14) Corben: http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/274/Future+Wars+-+Time+Travellers.html
(07:44:17) Corben: this one, sry
(07:44:19) Cheeseness: Something to catch up on after the session maybe ^_^
(07:44:27) Permafry_42: lol no worries
(07:44:41) cc_jake: cool thx!
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(07:44:46) Permafry_42: yeah definetely
(07:45:26) Permafry_42: the subtle way the camera moves in the game during certain actions is great
(07:45:36) Cheeseness: I feel like I've missed something off to the left here
(07:45:57) Geek95: I may be getting a job at a local game studio!
(07:46:02) Cheeseness: :D
(07:46:07) Corben: cool
(07:46:31) Cheeseness: Miguel was presumably driving the smashed truck we found in Act I
(07:46:36) Corben: good luck, and make them do linux games :D
(07:46:43) serena: yep
(07:46:55) Geek95: They mainly do handheld games
(07:47:06) Geek95: 1st Playable Productions
(07:47:36) Cheeseness: There's a lot of opportunity to learn about Conway's past here. I may end up missing some bits and pieces. If you're way into exploring the characters, I'd suggest multiple playthroughs
(07:47:51) Permafry_42: I'm actually working on my first video game myself lately; it's probably going to just end up being a short mega man clone, but hopefully the experience will help me towards making more complex games
(07:48:10) Geek95: Usually stuff for kids, and most stuff is licensed property (Plus I'd only be IT)
(07:49:40) Permafry_42: the use of italics in this game is great
(07:49:53) Cheeseness: cc_jake, cc_tamas: Have you found it challenging to balance what's optional with what's presented as part of the core narrative with things that players can miss? (i can't recall if I'd asked that previously)
(07:50:32) cc_jake: i think at this point we just enjoy making stuff that players can miss
(07:50:36) Cheeseness: :D
(07:50:37) cc_jake: like it's something we value in the game :)
(07:50:39) cc_tamas: yep :)
(07:50:59) Cheeseness: It feels like that's something that a lot of developers shy away from these days
(07:51:25) Permafry_42: Yeah i feel games that do that really do a good job rewarding replaying a game instead of making the game feel linear
(07:51:59) Corben: haha... just found my box: classic adventure collection from delphine software... 5 games on 9 floppy disks :D
(07:52:01) Cheeseness: I really appreciate that this game offers a lot of possibility space to explore (even if it's "cosmetic")
(07:52:09) Corben: I'm wondering if they are still readable ^^
(07:52:24) Cheeseness: cc_jake, cc_tamas: Do you feel that feedback from gamers and having time to reflect on your own work influences how you've been approaching subsequent episodes?
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(07:53:02) cc_jake: i think the time for reflection has a huge impact
(07:54:00) Cheeseness: And here's the bit where it's implied that Lysette sand Too Late To Love You
(07:54:14) Cheeseness: At least, that's how I interpret it ^_^
(07:54:19) Cheeseness: sang^
(07:54:25) serena: yep
(07:56:42) Cheeseness: That'll do for parking
(07:56:43) Cheeseness: lol
(07:57:29) cc_tamas: heh :)
(07:57:41) Cheeseness: So Lem Doolittle apparently wrote The Entertainment, right?
(07:57:51) cc_jake: yeah
(07:58:18) Cheeseness: And I *think* he was mentioned in Act 1 or 2 when looking for Joseph's old writings?
(07:58:35) serena: ah, i just remembered. will you do an ebook version of the script?
(07:58:45) Cheeseness: For The Entertainment or KR0?
(07:58:55) serena: the entertainment
(07:59:09) cc_jake: that one we don't plan to do an ebook version of, but the print version is priced at cost
(07:59:11) serena: i wanted to get it but the shipping was a bit steep
(07:59:17) cc_jake: ah sorry :/
(07:59:31) serena: ah what a shame
(07:59:38) Cheeseness: This part is a bit depressing, I think
(07:59:48) Cheeseness: Controlling the mouse cursor is pretty powerful
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(08:00:10) serena: yeah, the cursor here is terrible
(08:00:24) Cheeseness: Junebug and Ezra are "present" as well
(08:00:50) Cheeseness: The implied consequences of alcholism's effect on others?
(08:01:11) Cheeseness: Good thing we got that IOU, I guess :D
(08:02:23) Cheeseness: Conway and Shannon look so down here
(08:02:23) serena: ah, poor conway
(08:03:05) Cheeseness: I love this reveal
(08:03:38) Permafry_42: this shot is so perfect =D
cc_jake cc_tamas
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(08:04:26) Cheeseness: Thanks so much again for joining us, cc_tamas and cc_jake!
(08:04:31) cc_jake: thanks y'all!
(08:04:37) serena: thanks :)
(08:04:38) Cheeseness: A pleasure as always ^_^
(08:04:43) Permafry_42: THanks for joining everyone!
(08:04:44) Sven_Q45: Cool. Next week is going to be great!
(08:04:46) cc_tamas: thanks everyone :)
(08:04:46) Cheeseness: Looking forward to finding where the ferry takes us
(08:05:03) Permafry_42: btw is anyone going to be watching e3 live this week?
(08:05:11) flesk: Thanks for streaming, Cheeseness.
(08:05:23) Cheeseness: Here's the forum thread if anybody would like to throw some comments (and maybe a rating thing) on! http://www.doublefine.com/forums/viewthread/14032/
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(08:06:00) cc_jake: take care :)
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(08:06:17) cc_tamas: bye!
(08:06:23) serena: bye
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(08:06:30) flesk: And thanks for joining Jake and Tamas.
(08:06:41) Cheeseness: I'll wrap up the chat log there and get the Abe Lincoln Must Die thread up ^_^
(08:06:47) flesk: I won't be watching E3 live, but I'll read up on it.
(08:06:50) Cheeseness: Thanks for joining us everyone! :D
(08:06:54) Permafry_42: if so be sure to try coming back to this chat box to discuss the conferences since i'll be trying to organize an unofficial meetup to discuss e3 announcements on monday and tuesday