KHWiki Roundtable November '13

[20:05] <Pea14733> Okay so we're starting November Roundtable in 5 minutes?
01[20:06] <+Dragoon> yeah
[20:11] <FM|YGOPRO> five minutes up
[20:11] <FM|YGOPRO> wow that was pretty exact
[20:11] <FM|YGOPRO> for once my timing was PERFECT
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[20:12] <Pea14733> Okay so let's start?
[20:12] <FifteenthMember> yes
[20:13] <FifteenthMember> is everyone ready?
01[20:13] <+Dragoon> just finishing up this reference and i'll start
[20:13] <FifteenthMember> ok
01[20:16] <+Dragoon> alright so, from the first topic on the agenda, what i get is that uxie wants us to introduce the manga version in their gallery, i'm all for this as long as there is someone who can get an adequate picture of said character. additionally, since ALL characters feature in the manga anyways, it will mean we need to get pictures of ALL characters, no?
[20:16] <FifteenthMember> agreed
[20:16] <FifteenthMember> my opinion: more pictures, more versions the better
01[20:16] <+Dragoon> same with the form: stuff, if someone can get those pictures done, i'm ok with it.
[20:16] <FifteenthMember> oh and kinda unrelated note but:
[20:17] <FifteenthMember> the heartless in Halloween Town need pics
[20:17] <FifteenthMember> for their form changes too
[20:17] <Pea14733> I think Uxie herself is willing to do the manga pics
[20:18] <FifteenthMember> ok so
[20:18] <FifteenthMember> is that concluded?
[20:18] <FifteenthMember> we'll ask Uxie if she can get the pictures
[20:18] <FifteenthMember> shall we continue?
[20:19] <Pea14733> No, just tell her that it is allowed ._.
01[20:19] <+Dragoon> i think we already have heartless in halloween town covered, in their galleries, no?
[20:19] <Pea14733> DOn't make it like we are focing her o do it
[20:19] <FifteenthMember> oh look at that, we do
[20:19] <+maggosh> Yeah, we do.
[20:19] <FifteenthMember> alright pea, I get it
[20:19] <+maggosh> For a while now.
[20:20] <FifteenthMember> ok so next topic?
[20:21] <FifteenthMember> ok so about the walkthroughs
[20:21] <FifteenthMember> the first point on the list was the re:coded walkthrough which I noticed was missing
[20:21] <Pea14733> In fact
[20:22] <Pea14733> The only walkthrough that is complete is KH's
[20:22] <Pea14733> And maybe KH2's ?
[20:22] <FifteenthMember> oh...
[20:22] <FifteenthMember> I know that BBS, KH, KHII and 3D HAVE walkthroughs
01[20:22] <+Dragoon> kh's isn't even complete. when i made it, i missed a few treasure chests and kh will need to be redone according to the Eng version of FM, and be remade into KHFM instead of KH now.
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[20:22] <Pea14733> BbS and 3D have Walkthroughs?
[20:22] <FifteenthMember> hi UC
[20:23] <+Cheisa> I was doing tumblr stuff
[20:23] <FifteenthMember> nope
[20:23] <FifteenthMember> KHII is incompletete
[20:23] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.net/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_II/Agrabah
[20:23] <FifteenthMember> that's an example
[20:23] <FifteenthMember> plus Kingdom Hearts II needs a hub page
01[20:23] <+Dragoon> BBS has an incomplete walkthrough left by ENX, Re:CoM has a completed walkthrough by TNE, I think, 3D has a video walkthrough that is incomplet.
01[20:23] <+Dragoon> incomplete*
[20:24] <FifteenthMember> Re:com has a walkthrough?
[20:24] <Pea14733> http://www.khwiki.net/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep/Land_of_Departure
[20:24] <FifteenthMember> x_x nice article
01[20:24] <+Dragoon> its in her userspace
[20:24] <FifteenthMember> oh
01[20:24] <+Dragoon> i think, we'd need her permission to move it to walkthrough: space
[20:25] <Pea14733> I have BbS Aqua walkthrough in my userspace as well
01[20:25] <+Dragoon> we need people to assign to games if we're thinking of reviving the walkthrough: space
[20:25] <FifteenthMember> well, beforehand I thought Re:COM didn't really need a wlakthrough
[20:25] <FifteenthMember> with all the dungeon-crawling style gameplay
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[20:25] <FifteenthMember> but if we have a full walkthrough, we might as well include it
01[20:25] <+Dragoon> well, it needs a walkthrough now considering it has a trophy list.
[20:25] <Pea14733> After I finish my exams, I will help
[20:25] <FifteenthMember> oh, true
[20:25] <FifteenthMember> I would like to help with re:coded
01[20:25] <+Dragoon> we also need to redo kh's walkthroughs to be streamlined into "KHFM" as well as include methods of getting trophies.
[20:26] <FifteenthMember> me and pea talked about this before too
[20:26] <FifteenthMember> how are we gonna "redo" the kh walkthroughs anyway?
[20:26] <+Cheisa> add a note for FM stuff
[20:26] <Pea14733> Delete and rewrite
04[20:26] * Pea14733 is shot by EK
[20:26] <+Cheisa> ಠ_ಠ
[20:26] <FifteenthMember> :P
[20:26] <FifteenthMember> notes, ok
[20:26] <FifteenthMember> the trophies
01[20:26] <+Dragoon> we COULD add notes
[20:26] <FifteenthMember> can be included by having
[20:27] <Pea14733> But ot those ref notes okay?
[20:27] <Pea14733> *not
[20:27] <+Cheisa> yes
01[20:27] <+Dragoon> but i really dont see that as being streamlined, we should just redo the article according to fm content.
[20:27] <Pea14733> That's very annoying
01[20:27] <+Dragoon> its the easiest most direct way
04[20:27] <FifteenthMember> Dragoon, I don't like that idea
[20:27] <+Cheisa> add a section that talks about FM stuff
[20:27] <FifteenthMember> because it removes the content of the original game which osme people may still have
[20:27] <FifteenthMember> and there's not really much difference between the two anyway
[20:28] <FifteenthMember> so for example you'll have:
[20:28] <FifteenthMember> treasure list: (kh)
[20:28] <FifteenthMember> and then
01[20:28] <+Dragoon> we already have the treasures on their respective world pages...
[20:28] <FifteenthMember> treasure list: (khfm) or somehting
[20:28] <FifteenthMember> there's still the "items" at the top of each page
[20:28] <+Cheisa> or tab the treasure stuff
[20:28] <Pea14733> ^
[20:28] <Pea14733> I second tabbing
[20:28] <Chainoffire> I just got here so sorry if my idea clashes with previous statements, but what if we keep the current KHI walkthrough, and copy and paste that walkthrough to another part and add the FM stuff to the second KH walkthrough?
[20:28] <+Cheisa> [KH] [KHFM]
[20:29] <FifteenthMember> tabbing seems good
[20:29] <FifteenthMember> COF, that seems like a lotta moving
[20:29] <Pea14733> CoF: No, we can just add the diffrences notes
[20:29] <FifteenthMember> and if that happens, most of the second walkthrough would be redundant to the first
01[20:29] <+Dragoon> wouldn't that mean twice the work? writing the treasure once for normal materials and then a second time for fm materials?
[20:29] <FifteenthMember> twice the work but twice the info
[20:29] <Chainoffire> ^
[20:30] <FifteenthMember> plus we have most of that info anyway
[20:30] <Chainoffire> and it's not like we're writing it twice, we're copy/pasting it
[20:30] <Pea14733> Well you can just add [KHFM] to the treasure list anyway
[20:30] <Chainoffire> and adding the FM stuff
[20:30] <FifteenthMember> COF: I agree
[20:30] <FifteenthMember> it's funny
[20:30] <FifteenthMember> every time people says something like "adding the FM stuff" I get pinged :P
[20:30] <FifteenthMember> I chose a great nick...
[20:31] <FifteenthMember> BUT ANYWAY
[20:31] <Chainoffire> haha, sorry
[20:31] <FifteenthMember> tabs seem like the best way to go
[20:31] <Pea14733> I think we're done with KHFM for now
[20:31] <FifteenthMember> with stuff like optional bosses
[20:31] <FifteenthMember> we can just include it as another section under the appropiate world
[20:31] <Pea14733> ^
[20:31] <FifteenthMember> with the trophies
01[20:31] <+Dragoon> if you could get an example page of that and i can look it over, we could figure out something.
[20:32] <FifteenthMember> tomorrow's friday so I could
[20:32] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.net/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts
[20:32] <FifteenthMember> so
[20:32] <FifteenthMember> with the trophies, there could be another page for it
[20:32] <FifteenthMember> listing tips and what-not which would be linked from that hub page
[20:32] <FifteenthMember> additonally, throughout the walkthrough mentions of the trophies should be made
01[20:33] <+Dragoon> Only those relevant to that world.
[20:33] <FifteenthMember> for example, "Cid's Item Shop has very useful items"
[20:33] <FifteenthMember> "However, if you're going for the Unchanging Armour<NOTREALNAME> trophy, you should save your munny for gummi blocks"
[20:34] <FifteenthMember> bad advice but you get what I mean
[20:34] <FifteenthMember> so should we assign people to games?
[20:34] <FifteenthMember> I'll be working on re:coded
[20:34] <FifteenthMember> we could open up a forum or something about it
[20:34] <Pea14733> Well
[20:35] <Pea14733> One person can actually do many games at once ._.
[20:35] <Pea14733> But yeah we need to have the main writer
[20:35] <FifteenthMember> I'll be focusing on re:coded though
[20:35] <FifteenthMember> I'm too inexperienced with the other games :P
[20:36] <FifteenthMember> so the other point about the walkthroughs is the "advertisement"
01[20:36] <+Dragoon> We'll just start a forum if we're going to have a person assigned to a game.
[20:36] <Pea14733> I can help you with Re:coded
01[20:36] <+Dragoon> or numerous games
[20:37] <Pea14733> XD
[20:37] <FifteenthMember> like another project page or something :P
01[20:37] <+Dragoon> my only issue with the fact of numerous games is that author x and author y do not share the same saving
[20:37] <FifteenthMember> that doesn't matter much though, does it?
[20:37] <Pea14733> They need to discuss about it then
[20:37] <FifteenthMember> for example it could go like this:
[20:38] <FifteenthMember> two people do BBS
[20:38] <FifteenthMember> one decides to write Terra's walkthrough first while another does Aqua's
01[20:38] <+Dragoon> that's fine with BBS because all characters have their own saving.
[20:38] <FifteenthMember> and then they both help with Ventus' at the same time
01[20:38] <+Dragoon> BBS is not a perfect example for what im saying
[20:38] <FifteenthMember> but just focus on writing about different worlds
01[20:38] <+Dragoon> i'm talking about a game like kh2 or kh1
01[20:39] <+Dragoon> especially if one person is far ahead and another is way behind
[20:39] <FifteenthMember> even then, they'd just focus on different worlds
[20:39] <+Cheisa> there should be a layout before each person a do a walkthrough for each characters
01[20:39] <+Dragoon> oh yeah and i just realized, kh1 will need someone to do gummi missions.
[20:39] <Pea14733> Hmm
01[20:39] <+Dragoon> those are probably the only things not covered, besides item synthesis.
[20:39] <Pea14733> Maybe we split the game into sections?
[20:40] <FifteenthMember> re you talking about BBS>
[20:40] <FifteenthMember> *are you talking about BBS?
[20:40] <+Cheisa> me? yes
[20:40] <FifteenthMember> cuz atm they have completely differnet sections
[20:40] <FifteenthMember> *pages
[20:40] <FifteenthMember> like there's Walkthrough:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep/Aqua/Deep Space
[20:40] <FifteenthMember> and then a completely different Walkthrough:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep/Ventus/Deep Space
[20:40] <FifteenthMember> which I would say is probably the best way to go
[20:41] <FifteenthMember> someone needs to write about the Final Episode though
04[20:41] <Pea14733> WHat I am talking about is, like, FM does item Synthesis List, Dragoon does Gummi Missions, I do Coliseum Cups etc.
[20:41] <FifteenthMember> oh
[20:41] <FifteenthMember> yeh, I see
[20:41] <FifteenthMember> I think the most important thing here is to make sure
[20:41] <FifteenthMember> we don't make the walkthrough redundant to the wiki
[20:42] <FifteenthMember> the walkthrough needs to focus on the reader and player
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[20:42] <FifteenthMember> and more about the transitions between places and where to go from here etc.
[20:42] <Pea14733> ^ We already discussed about that when we decided to make the walkthorugh space
[20:42] <FifteenthMember> oh right :P
[20:43] <FifteenthMember> I wasn't there at the time
[20:43] <FifteenthMember> which brings me on to the NEXT point: advertisement
[20:43] <Pea14733> Maybe
[20:43] <FifteenthMember> if a visitor comes on the wiki without ever seeing it before
[20:43] <Pea14733> We unclude the walkthough in mainspace articles
[20:43] <Pea14733> *include
[20:43] <FifteenthMember> they'd never know the "KHWiki Official Walkthrough" ever existed
[20:43] <FifteenthMember> pea, I dislike the idea
[20:44] <Pea14733> wait, no
[20:44] <+Cheisa> oh, we already discuss Uxie's manga-thingly?
[20:44] <Pea14733> I meant, LINK the walkthough
[20:44] <FifteenthMember> because the walkthroughs have completely different tones and stuff
[20:44] <FifteenthMember> oh
[20:44] <FifteenthMember> it can be linked to from the suite
[20:44] <FifteenthMember> but that'll be problematic. for example, radiant garden would look like:
[20:45] <FifteenthMember> Walkthrough (KHII|BBS[Aqua|Terra|Ventus]])
[20:45] <Pea14733> XDD
[20:45] <Pea14733> Well
[20:45] <FifteenthMember> *Walkthrough (KHII|BBS[Aqua|Terra|Ventus])
[20:45] <Pea14733> No
[20:45] <FifteenthMember> which is WAY too many breakdowns for me
[20:46] <FifteenthMember> and UC, we finished talking about THAT :P
[20:46] <+Cheisa> I wasnt here, I was on tumbllr, godamnit ಠ_ಠ
[20:46] <FifteenthMember> by advertisement
[20:46] <FifteenthMember> I meant something just like
[20:46] <Pea14733> Maybe we include the walkthroughs i the "See also" thing ..
[20:46] <Pea14733> *in
[20:47] <FifteenthMember> same problem pea: they'll be too many links
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[20:47] <FifteenthMember> I was just going to suggest a "Walkthrough" link in the community section of the sidebar
[20:47] <+Cheisa> why not a navi?
01[20:47] <+Dragoon> the suite could just link to bbs and kh's main walkthrough pages
[20:47] <FifteenthMember> and then have a walkthrough hub page
[20:48] <FifteenthMember> bbs doesn't HAVE main walkthrough pages
[20:48] <Pea14733> I think sidebar is better
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01[20:48] <+Dragoon> Walkthrough:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep
[20:48] <FifteenthMember> I think bbs's three character's should be merged
01[20:48] <+Dragoon> it would link to that page
[20:48] <FifteenthMember> oh
01[20:48] <+Dragoon> and then the user finds the world they want depending on which character
[20:49] <FifteenthMember> why doesn't each BBS world be like a mini-disambig
[20:49] <FifteenthMember> so Walkthrough:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep/Deep Space
[20:49] <FifteenthMember> would have a picture or something
[20:49] <FifteenthMember> and then a picture of the three characters with links
01[20:50] <+Dragoon> we could just minimize the search with including links in the main page.
[20:51] <FifteenthMember> alright then
[20:51] <FifteenthMember> so it'd be advertised to two ways:
[20:51] <FifteenthMember> sidebar link and suite links
[20:51] <FifteenthMember> I also think a navi template would be useful too
[20:51] <Pea14733> Maybe we fuse the three characters in one page and tab them
[20:51] <FifteenthMember> but the navis would go on the actual walkthrough pages instead
[20:52] <FifteenthMember> [20:48:55] <FifteenthMember> I think bbs's three character's should be merged
[20:52] <FifteenthMember> tabtabtab
[20:53] <FifteenthMember> so who agrees on merging?
[20:53] <FifteenthMember> I vote on merging
[20:54] <+Cheisa> wait, are you talking tabing for all 3 character walkthrough for BBS?
01[20:54] <+Dragoon> http://www.khwiki.net/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep/ made this really quickly but im showing what i mean by minimizing the search for which character's walkthrough
01[20:55] <+Dragoon> http://www.khwiki.net/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep *
[20:55] <FifteenthMember> I still think mergin them all makes more sense and makes everything a bit neater
[20:56] <FifteenthMember> I mean this is how it'd work
[20:56] <FifteenthMember> the lead would stay the same with the whole world image and stuff
[20:56] <FifteenthMember> but then the rest of the page would be tabbed
[20:57] <FifteenthMember> so all the walkthroughs, strategies, items etc. are all separate
[20:57] <FifteenthMember> you could also just tab or have sub-sections for each section
[20:57] <FifteenthMember> but that'd make the page longer
01[20:57] <+Dragoon> I don't like that idea, its too casual to tab everything.
01[20:57] <+Dragoon> plus it makes the page look busy
01[20:57] <+Dragoon> http://www.khwiki.net/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts/Deep_Jungle just implementing the template at the bottom of this page with 3 sections, one for each character, would look more professional.
[20:58] <FifteenthMember> alright then
[20:58] <FifteenthMember> let's do that
[20:58] <FifteenthMember> everyone agreed?
[21:00] <FifteenthMember> ok so to sum up:
[21:00] <FifteenthMember> *Manga images are ok
[21:00] <FifteenthMember> *walkthrough will be revived
[21:00] <FifteenthMember> *FM stuff will be incorporated within articles
[21:01] <FifteenthMember> *walkthroughs will be advertised thorugh suite and sidebar links
[21:01] <FifteenthMember> ROUNDTABLE COMPLETE