#02 - Charley and co. cheating

 #02  - 20/4/14 - 6:00 AM

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People involved; Charley, arianna123, Savirino98, Uprizzle
Possible people involved; Volt. Chupps

I'm only looking specifically at Charley. There's reasonable evidence to suggest that the 'ring' here was centered around her, and she had the most 'control' over what happened.

If not cheating, there's some heavy meta abuse here - and the best solution if not suspending her from the round, is at least know she's possibly involved in such a ring (as are the other users) and limit her from playing with these people (or implement a system where you cannot play with the same person 3x a day - because these users played 96% games with users they knew)
Contributors to this pastebin have been asked me to keep their identity anonymous; I will respect their wish till a moderator instructs me otherwise.

I'm well aware that this is early on in the round - it's only day five at the time of writing this pastebin and NOT all games have been considered. There will be updates -- and as for Charley's counter-defense - It will be analyzed critically and the truth will inevitably prevail.

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https://epicmafia.com/game/2904642/review  - Kenso insults tedandthelesbians in pregame so he orc's Kenso, understandably; leading to naked stalker. He's subsequently lynched and his partner (a no-avi noob) kills miller. Town has a ML and  Arianna/Charley strongarm a lynch on Kenso's partner. They instantly townread each other regardless of anything else that's going on in the game. (Hey there's a ML - better townread my buddy!)

https://epicmafia.com/game/2904606/review -  Ari is orc, Charley is blue with Uprizzle,  Savirino. Arianna quickly gets self votes and hammers outside of them.  Hits stalker. Arianna orcs on Charley which happens a lot, I'm assuming  its for her to be clear and for Ari to sheep her from the GY. Anyways,  Ari asks who is mafia from the GY and doesn't get a reply, Charley  mishammers on Uprizzle! Smarti gets lynched the next day, town wins.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2903920/review/review - [ Note to self - possible gt / roleswap failures ]
https://epicmafia.com/game/2897179/review  Charley and Chupps are blue, Chupps dies n1 and the cop hardclaims with  no reports. One scum is lynched, mafia NKs and unlike the rest of town  who think it's autowin because of drunk on mafia, she says "If this is  town lynch styx" who is the actual mafia. Charley won this game.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2897133/review  Charley is blue and Uprizzle is drunk, chupps is framer. Charley is  cops inno, she gets the claims and NL's. The next day, she lynches one  mafia and then hits the other. Charley won this game, too. Claims that  its her "gut" that hammered last mafia. If Charley was cheating with  either of the two, she would know scum wasn't drunked or both mafia from  Chupps.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2897204/review  Charley is cop, Chupps is nilla. She checks Chupps n1 and takes claims.  Hammers Chupps. Mafia(assumptions) fucks up and kills a miller? It's  town autowin. Charley won.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2897248/review  Charley is framer and Chupps is blue. She loses this game because the  clear hammers her, then Chupps tunnels riice. Charley loses~~

https://epicmafia.com/game/2901920/review  Charley is drunk and none of the people I suspect her to cheat with are  in this game. She townreads scum and scumreads a blue. Towards the end  of d1 she also foses ANOTHER blue. Charley loses.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2900174/review  Charley dies n1 as cop and Chupps is drunk. Chupps manages to go 2/2  this game, without having graveyard vision. It may be because xmack was  metaclear, or Charley gave her reads on Skype.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2900272/review  Charley/Chupps are blue, Sav is framer. Not far into the day, Charley  scumreads Shamzy for tunneling Chupps. It's not easy to townread someone  so quickly, so the fact that she defended him is unsettling. Charley  scumreads Sav later into the day, asks him to quote his towntells /  never does the same for Chupps regardless of his crippling ISP lol.  Drunk goes on last scum and town wins.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2900394/review  Charley is blue, xmack is drunk, chupps is framer. Cop dies n1 so xmack  claims. Pedobear ccs mack and Charley instantly knows xmack is real,  saying "shes new and wouldn't cc" and when she attempted to lynch in  blues, she scumread Chupps.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2900421  Charley is blue, xmack drunk, sav nilla, chupps blue. Chupps dies n1,  cop claims. Charley goes 2/2 on day one, immediately calling out Sav as  mafia. Then says sav/userna a bit later on. xmack may not be cheating  because she wasn't on mafia, she was on a blue instead. Town autowin  regardless, because of two clears and a ml.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2900437/review  Charley is blue, Chupps drunk, Xmack framer, Sav cop. Charley foses  Gala/Mack. The clear lynches Gala over mack and town loses. She never  outs a read on Chupps but whispered to Sav that mack is scum.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2901820/review  The only evidence I've found so far which could make it seem they don't  cheat, if Charley was cheating with Sav she'd know Templar was inno,  therefore clear. It could have just been that one was not on Skype or  lagged out, but Charley was wrong and lost this game.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2901893/review Charley is drunk, Sav is framer. Charley foses his partner d1 and has autowin on d2.
https://epicmafia.com/game/2901870/review Charley is Cop, Sav is framer. Charley hammers his partner d1. Tells drunk to be on Sav, last mafia. Town wins.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2900711/review  Arianna123 framer, Charley blue, Sav blue. Cop dies n1. Charleys reads  are completely off this game, but I'm going to assume she's drunk and  does not care. She foses one mafia, then foses Sav - something she  doesn't usually do when he's town. Arianna gets hammered and last scum  is drunked.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2902043/review Charley is town this game, but since nobody she cheats with is here - she loses.
https://epicmafia.com/game/2902022/review Charley is town this game as well, no cheating here - but town was in autowin day one, she wins.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2863244/review  Charley is nilla, Arianna is blue. Blk attempts to n1 her but she won't  allow it, so they kill Coaco. Charley wins this game, because Arianna  townreads her.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2863307/reviw  Charley is nilla, Arianna blue(again) she's also scum with Chupps. They  n1 the miller, at this point I'm thinking Arianna is throwing for  charley if anything, cause shes mentioned her run in this game and it  must've been important to her. Once Arianna dies, Charley is lynched.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2863343/review  Charley is nilla(man this gets old) Arianna is blue and chupps is blue.  Once again, Arianna dies and Charley is lynched right after. I have  /not/ found a game where they mishammer on each other yet, it seems they  both know when the other is scum/town along with Chupps who is obv  cheatin' with Charley.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2900756/review  OH. Charley is nilla again but THIS time, Arianna gets n1'd as PR. I  thought you don't n1 her? A few games above, you said you didn't. It's  interesting now that you did. She lost anyway.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2900741/review  Charley/arianna blue. Sav cop. Drunk dies n1, Charley auto-townreads  Arianna, says shes probably framed or drunked. She knows Savs/Ariannas  role, so she goes for the one of the people she doesn't know the role of  - Larry, and loses. She missed two mafia while cheating. She is that  bad.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2863486/review  In this game, Charley is scum. Arianna is blue, Chupps is pr. Instead  of n1ing him(might just be cuz she was feelin' bad about n1ing friends)  she stalks him. Kills orc on blue. Arianna asks to be lynched in 4 way  the next day(lol dumbtell) but Porque gets hammered and Charley wins!

https://epicmafia.com/game/2866240/review  Charley is blue, Ari is scum. D1, Charley says "Hammer sizzla, its my  gut tbh. Don't ask" and forces him to cross her. On d3, Ari barely  defends herself and gets hammered.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2866298/review  Another good example of Ari throwing for Charley. She was naked scum d1  so the next day Ari asked to be MLed due to being annoyed from Hedger.  Lynches Goldman after. Charley wins~

https://epicmafia.com/game/2868004/review  Kenso and Charley are scum. Uprizzle is blue. Uprizzle says on d2 that  Kenso will flip nilla, I guess in order to win Charley killed Uprizzle  but she got hammered on the next day. So.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2876903/review  Charley/Arianna blue. Orc reveals another blue. BP hardclaims and  Charley foses Krista, this to me makes it transparent that Krista has no  part in the cheating. But she is fosing someone outside of  Arianna/ponds for autowin. Since mafia killed the miller, Charley has  autowin. RIP

https://epicmafia.com/game/2876868/review  Charley is blue, Ari is nilla. Stalker is naked d1 and on d2 Charley  foses Arianna. She panics about 4 way regardless of knowing scum, this  might just be an act to towntell and not get hammered, because if she  /is/ hammered she cannot tunnel Ari.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2875170/review  Charley is orc, Ari is blue. Ari dies n1, Charley hits stalker and orcs  on last mafia. This is a good example of graveyard vision. She also  voted a bit late at night, meaning Ari told her scum during the  timeframe. Forces self votes and insta hammers last maf. Rip

https://epicmafia.com/game/2871670/review this entire game is charley blindly townreading arianna

https://epicmafia.com/game/2882491/review Another game where Charley and Uprizzle are town and do not fos each other.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2882464/review  This game is tough because I'm unsure whether Uprizzle is talking in  agent msgs d2. If he is, hes talking to Charley as if he knows shes  killer, calling her nerd, etc. Both Charley and Skillz try to kill  Uprizzle, which is pointless because he's jailed but she can just claim  hit afterwards, so no big deal.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2882448/review Trading places now. Charley talks to Uprizzle in agent messages as if she knows who shes talking to. Unnatural af.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2904720/review just read it lol. 3 cheaters in one game, what do you expect. of course  they go 2/2 with a naked blue.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2904744/review  Arianna is hammered d1, Charley is granted GY vision. Her usual thing  is to out reads and NL to prevent 4 way but she is hit BP and lynches  anyway. She calls out BOTH mafia and foses a friend to look less  obvious. Her reads were off d1 but Ari getting hammered esentially won  her the game

https://epicmafia.com/game/2907971/review  Charley dies n1 as blue, Ari and Sav blue/bp. Arianna foses Roshiez on  d1 but then retracts it a few seconds later, i'm thinking it was Charley  townreading her from the GY and told her I was probably town.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2904668/review  Charley is orc, Volt is pr. Ari/sav blue. Ari and Charley call both  scum d1 but she hits miller instead. Tunnels Uprizzle over absolutely  nothing. Ari is not usually so vocal about her scumreads but today she  says "If I call both mafia kudo me". Charley orcs Arianna both nights. I  believe she wanted Arianna as clear to sheep her from the gy, that way  she could get self votes. After Ari was killed, Charley immediately knew  scum

https://epicmafia.com/game/2905676/review  Charley is town with Sav. Chupps is scum. Her reads are /completely/  off this game and this is the only game I've found where she mishammers  on a cheating buddy. I already know why she did. I called her out on  cheating and she also knew that Sigmund was there to not just play, but  look for cheating as well. From what I gather, Sigmund caught onto  Charley cheating so she played bad on purpose.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2908200  Charley/Ari/Sav blue. Ari dies n1 and gives Charley GY vision, Sav dies  n2. On d2 Charley immediately knows the noavi is real cop and defends  him without a cc? She leads on one mafia, but switches to the other then  speedlynches the other scum the day after.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2883003  In pregame, Charley states that she's upset about Coconut n1ing  Arianna, something she did when Arianna was pr just a few days ago.  Charley defends Arianna while she asks to be hammered at the end of D1.  On d2, Ari says that Charley was miller. She suddenly townreads xVirus,  who she initially scumread with Charley the day before. She scumreads  the stalker before they NL. The day after, she calls out both mafia. Her  reads were inconsistent the second after Charley died and saw  both  mafia. GG

https://epicmafia.com/game/2901031/review  Arianna is pr and charley is blue. Miller gets lynched, the next day,  Arianna RLs someone outside of Charley because she thinks she has  autowin. They NL until Charley dies and she says "metta is mafia right"  because she wanted to tell Ari from the GY - On day four, she keeps  saying she's confused and asks the town to hold and says her trademark  help antics; in reality, she's staling to find out the mafia from GY.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2908174/review   Charley is cop, Ari is doc. I don't think they immediately cheated,  but  on day two, Ari keeps asking who it is and once Sav outs his scum   partner, Charley lynches him. This would mean that Ari told Charley who   maf is from the GY.

[I've  yet to see Charley mishammer on one of her friends and vice versa. At  minimum, they should *not be playing their games together, especially  competitive games*]

[Charley's losses start becoming prominent after I call her a cheater, various times]
[These are not all the games]

[Games are not in chronological order - the order is mixed up due to various contributors, if the pastebin is revised (it probably will) then the order will be corrected.]

https://epicmafia.com/game/2907121/review  - There's been speculation this round that Sigmund is abc, Charley's  circlejerk crew have been avoiding Sigmund by kicking them from games,  however it's funny how she's running yet didn't dodge abc. As scum,  Charley asks to kill the 'abc' account. D1 is a typical NL after drunks'  death.  Endurance AND 1990Templar both say that Zante/Charley are scum,  both being 100% correct. Charley's lynched and doesn't really fight the  lynch (she doesn't claim miller or even framed)  Lylo unfournately has  the noob cop (maybe it's just convenient that he's nooby) guilty  templar, the last blue since both would claim miller. Aiba tunnels  Templar into autoloss.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2905604/review/review  -  As scum, Charley immediately says 'o we lose' - I find this slightly  humorous, as Charley's rolled scum the majority of the time and has  never had such a pessimistic attitude, even when having soda17 (a  competent player, BETTER than charley as a partner).  Arianna and  Charley both ask for the drunk cc's, charley would know it's her partner  but if they were cheating (A+C) then theyd probably know each others  roles.  [...] Charley apparently doesn't know drunk despite saying she  thought arianna was drunk on day two....... only important because she  blames it on "I COULDNT IT WASSS AUTO LOSEAS I DIDNT KNOW DRUNK!111" 15  points to you, indeed.

https://epicmafia.com/game/2902008/review - Charleighs scum, cop dies n1 and you have her strongarming on miller, templar follows the read but says he'll drink Charleigh similar to games with Sigmund, Endurance, Milton (having a contigency plan, of sorts.)

https://epicmafia.com/game/2905626/review - Charley's mafia again, she asks her partner, Zante to pick the kill, and he chooses one of her friends xmackandcheese, who's cop. So there was no rolesharing here -- since the kill was *not* stalled. http://puu.sh/8fPNO.png - Lels all around. Town's lynched but Arianna never publicly outted a scumread on Charley  till she says she thought charley was scum postgame, yet didnt mention it.

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[I think she's using [used] Charleigh, her alt to throw *for* Volt - she never wins when he wins, except for once.]
Charley's won around 88% of the games she's played with friends and has an astounding win rate (peaked at 84%) but after being suspected for cheating, she starts playing solo - and losing games. She then goes back to playing with friends, but as the same alignment as her suspected buddies; she still manages to lose games. It's worthwhile to  mention that her losses are not directly due to her; it's usually an influence from someone else.

In conclusion, there's reasonable evidence to suggest that there was heavy meta abuse if not solid cheating (streaks - consistency fluctuated depending on accusations). Thank you for your time.

[Regarding counter-pastebins / appeals - I will address this on the 21st April 2014. Every person accused of cheating has 24 hours to respond. Once you have responded with a defence, I will respond within 24 hours out of courteosy (it's not a requirement for me to do so.)]

- Underwood77