Bingo Balance Suggestions v3

---------------------------- Ideas for Bingo Balance ----------------------------
				   as of 7/3/12
			By: Runnerguy2489, Wodahs-Reklaw
	For Reference: Old Goal http://pastebin.com/gkMhrpKg
		       Current Goal http://pastebin.com/K8eAZnqr
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Updates as of 7/3/12

Removed Goals:
	Goron City Pot Heart Piece [13] "dc", "dmc"
	Both Dampe Heart Pieces [12] "luck"

Adjusted Goals:
	A select number of tweaks suggested by gombil's list
	http://pastebin.com/MRsKw9mU

	Blue Fire [9] "ice", "bottle", "sets", "ganon" -> +"deku"
	Frog's Heart Piece [25] "songs" -> +"forest" [24]
	2 unused keys in Gerudo Training Grounds [7] -> same
	3 unused keys in Gerudo Training Grounds [7] -> same
	4 unused keys in Gerudo Training Grounds [14] -> [8]
	5 unused keys in Gerudo Training Grounds [14] -> [8]
	6 unsued keys in Gerudo Training Grounds [14] -> [9]

	5 Hearts [6] "hearts" -> [4]
	6 Hearts [11] "hearts" -> [8]
	7 Hearts [22] "hearts" -> [17]
	8 Hearts [24] "hearts" -> [20]
	9 Hearts [25] "hearts" -> [22]

	Defeat Queen Gohma [5] "hearts" "deku" -> -"hearts"
	Beat Dodongo's Cavern [6] "dc" "hearts" "gtg" -> -"hearts"
	Defeat King Dodongo [6] "dc" "hearts" -> -"hearts"
	Defeat Phantom Ganon [7] "forest", "hearts" -> -"hearts"
	Beat the Deku Tree [8] "deku", "ganon", "hearts" -> -"hearts"
	Beat the Forest Temple [8] "forest", "hearts" -> -"hearts"
	Beat Jabu-Jabu's Belly [13] "jabu", "hearts"
	Defeat Morpha [13] "water", "hearts" -> -"hearts"
	Defeat Barinade [13] "jabu", "hearts" -> -"hearts"
	Beat the Water Temple [13] "water", "hearts" -> -"hearts"
	Defeat Volvagia [16] "fire", "sets", "hearts" -> -"hearts"
	Defeat Bongo-Bongo [18] "shadow", "zl", "hearts" -> -"hearts"
	Beat the Shadow Temple [18] "shadow", "zl", "hearts" -> [19] -"hearts"
	Defeat Twinrova [23] "spirit", "zl", "hearts" -> [24] -"hearts"
	Beat the Spirit Temple [23] "spirit", "zl", "hearts" -> [24] -"hearts"

	4 Boss Keys [24] "dunegon_item" "bk" "rba" -> [25]
	Get to the end of Spirit Trial [22] "ganon", "quiver", "spirit", "mirror" -> [24] -"mirror"
Goals Added:
	Both heart pieces in Lost Woods [17] "saria", "strength" ,"masks", "songs", "zl"
	2 Boss Keys [18] "dungeon_item" "bk" "rba" "gtg"


Updates as of 5/8/12
Added Goals:
	4 Maps [10] "dungeon_item", "map"
	6 Maps [23] "dungeon_item", "map", "rba"
	4 Compasses [10] "dungeon_item", "compass"
	6 Compasses [24] "dungeon_item", "compass"
	4 Boss Keys [24] "dungeon_item", "bk", "rba"
Adjusted Suggested Goals:
	3 Boss Keys [23] "dungeon_item", "bk" -> [22]
	5 Compasses [21] "dungeon_item", "compass" -> [18]
	5 Maps [20] "dungeon_item", "map", "rba" -> [17]
Updates as of 5/7/12
Trials ranks adjusted:
	Spirit [18] -> [22]
	Fire   [14] -> [16]
	Light  [11] -> [16]
	Water  [18] -> [19]
Added Goals:
	3 Maps [7] "dungeon_item", "map"
	3 Compasses [7]  "dungeon_item", "compass"
	5 Maps [18] "dungeon_item", "map", "rba"
	5 Compasses [19] "dungeon_item", "compass"
	3 Boss Keys [23] "dungeon_item", "bk"
Adjusted Suggested Goals:
	Treasure Chest Game Heart Piece +"luck"
	Both Dampe Heart Pieces +"luck"
	Added +"trials" to trial goals
Added Suggested Changes:
         Bottle Big Poe [17] -> [16]
         Beat Deku Tree +"Ganon"
Removed Suggested Goal:
	Sun's Song removed due to GC imbalance with void hovers.

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Suggested Goal Changes:

Gombill's Tweak List: http://pastebin.com/MRsKw9mU

X Unused keys in Gerudo Training Grounds
Proposal: Reduce the difficulty of 4,5,6 keys and make 6 different from 4 and 5.
Reason: The difficulty between 4,5,6 keys are too similar, and stray very far from the difficulty
of ice arrows.

X Hearts
Proposal: Reduce the diffiuclty greatly due to the flexability and quickness from heart objectives.
Reason: Obtain X hearts even 9 is not that diffiuclty for what they were previously ranked, they also
allowed for more child only rows which are generally frowned upon. However due to the reduction in diffuculty
we have changed another aspect outlined below.

Removal of Heart Synergies
Proposal: Due to the diffiuclty of obtain X hearts all heart synergies are dropped.
Reason:  The reduction of diffiuclty is supose to compensate for the added ease of new combinations of duengon
goals and heart piece goals.

4 Boss Keys [24]
Proposal: Raise the diffiuclty to 25
Reason: This goal is diffiuclty and may take too long to realisticly be done. We shall see how it does at one extreme
and if it works it will stay.


Map & Compass in X
Proposal: +"dungeon_item", +"map", +"compass"
Reason: With the new X map/compass/bk goal this will help build synergies.

Obtain X Temple Boss Key
Proposal: +"dungeon_item", + "bk"
Reason: With the new X map/compass/bk goal this will help build synergies.

Beat Dodongo's Cavern [6] "dc", "hearts"
Proposal: +"gtg"
Reason: Add this synergy because wrong warp would allow access to gtg. The time required to beat is the same as the cs skip is rather involved. So ranking stands.

Ice Arrows [6] "gtg", "water"
Proposal: +"fortress"
Reason: Since this can be done as adult through fortress then It would make sense to add this synergy.

Beat the Fire Temple [17] "fire", "sets", "hearts"
Proposal: +"forest"
Reason: Add this synergy due to the WW to forest. It is relatively not easy to do, so the time required will not change, however the warp may be useful.

Forest Temple Boss Key [16] "forest"
Proposal: +"rba"
Reason: Add "rba" because the quiver can be rba'd with ice arrows. Additionally claim check can be rba'd to get the boss key.

Golden Gauntlets [25] "strength", "ganon"
Proposal: [21] +"deku"
Reason: Since this can now be gotten as a child, deku synergy is pretty clear. Additionally, the rank should be lowered as even if you can't do the hoverslide method as adult,  doing sideflip chu hovers is really not that bad. This should never come up in a row with ganon's castle bombchu chest, so if that's still happening synergy needs changed somewhere.

Green Gauntlets [24] "strength", "bulletbag", "rba", "atrade"
Proposal: -"rba" -"atrade" +"zl", +"songs"
Reason: This item is it can be paired with things that also include ZL, however RBA does not matter that much because you need to obtain legit Saria's song and ZL anyways.

Bunny Hood [22] "masks", "saria", "strength", "zl", "beans"
Proposal: [23]
Reason: Just seems like I never even see or consider this item anymore. It may just be one of those items  that you never do or always do depending on very slight changes. If you feel  that's the case just leave it be.

Obtain the Bombchu Chest in Ganon's Castle [13] "restrict_chus", "ganon"
Proposal: [9] +"deku"
Reason: Beat the Deku Tree is ranked 8, kokiri emerald is ranked 7. Blue fire  (which is also a side-effect easy item of ganondoor) is ranked 9, so this seems perfectly placed to me.

Ganon's Castle Boss Key [13] "ganon"
Proposal: [9] +"deku"
Reason: Same as above.

Blue Fire [9] "ice, "bottle", "sets"
Proposal: +"deku" +"ganon"
Reason: Blue fire in water trial. Add the deku and ganon synergies.

Beat the Forest Temple [10] "forest", "hearts"
Proposal: [8]
Reason: Beat PG is rank 7, and should only be 1 rank higher. Especially with cs skips.

All 4 Gerudo Valley area Skulltulas [18] "skulltula", "jabu"
Proposal: [16]
Reason: This was ranked assuming boomerang (or bombs) were needed for the child waterfall one. This is not the case anymore. A slight ranking shift seems appropriate as more people master the chu hover trick.

Both Gerudo Fortress area Skulltulas [17] "skulltula", "fortress"
Proposal: [10]
Reason: This can now be done with a camera angle change with hoverboots or even just a correct camera alignment, so it is much easier.

Saria's Song [16] "saria", "strength", "masks", "songs", "zl"
Proposal: [17]
Reason: The rankings between goron brace / skull mask / spookey mask is too large. Either increase saria's song rank, or lower goron, skull mask, and spookey mask by one.

Cojiro [3] "atrade", "rba"
Proposal: +"fortress"
Reasoning: Would help with some child odd mush rows

Bottled Big Poe [17] "bigpoe", "quiver"
Proposal: [16]
Reasoning: Obtaining a big poe is only one step after obtaining a bow. Fairy Bow is rank [15] and obtaining ice arrows with rba cojiro is faster, so at maximum it should be rank [16].

All 4 GS in Deku Tree [13]
Proposal: [10]
Reason: These can be gotten with only a few chus, so they are on par with jabu jabu GS.

Item: Zora Tunic [9] "sets", "ice"
Proposal: [5]
Reasoning: This no longer needs a bottle or ice cavern trip, just a way into the domain It is only slightly longer than goron tunic.

3 Tunics [11] "sets", "ice"
Proposal: [7]
Reasoning: See above

3 Tunics & 3 Boots [21] "sets", "ice"
Proposal: [20]
Reasoning: See above

3 Swords & 3 Tunics [22] "sets", "rba"
Proposal: 20
Reasoning: See above

Serenade of Water [12] "rba", "ice", "songs"
Proposal: [11]
Reason: move this with the iron boots since you can even die and get them at the same time

Nocturne of Shadow [16] "songs", "rba"
Proposal: [12]
Reason: This should not be on par with mirror shield, it's a pretty standard rba
and putting it with "5 songs" makes sense.

Quiver (40) [12] "rba", "forest", "quiver"
Proposal: [4]
Reasoning: This is one step away from bomb bag (30)
(rank 4) with a fish if you then just go and play the archery game.

Bomb bag (40) [2] "bombbag", "rba"
Proposal: [4]
Bomb bag is currently lower than cojiro (3) and lower than bomb bag (30) (a 4 rank)
which you get from empty bottle B.

Item: Cow in house [7] "cow"
Proposal: [5]
Reasoning: Just think this can be easier than a 7.

Item: All 3 Kokiri Forest area Skulltulas [7] "skulltula"
Proposal: [6]
Reasoning: I think this is slightly easier too

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Suggested Additional Goals:

Lens of Truth [2] "botw"
Reason: Considering it is the only major item that is not included in the set of goals
it should be added, furthermore with Ganondoor there is more openings for chus than
before so this may add a level of decision making in a card.

Fill all 4 Bottle Slots [4] "rba"
Reason: It seems like a reasonable rba goal, which would include getting 2 other bottles.
Concern: Its easy, maybe tedious, however so are tunics.

30 Deku Sticks [5] "rba", "zl", "masks"
Reason: it would be interesting to add this as if you rba egg you get this however,
you would have to buy 30 sticks as an adult, or it can come up during a child
tradequest row.

Goron City Pot Heart Piece [13] "dmc", "dc"
Reason: It requires either zl or explosives to obtain to light the torches. And then bombs or
strength upgrade so it would make an intersting goal.

Both Dampe Heart Pieces [12] "luck"
Reason: Would not be a bad goal, however it is luck based.

3 Maps [7] "dungeon_item" "map" "rba"
Reason: Add additonal routing required, map and compass in jabu is an 8, so to get 2 child
dungeon maps + botw map should be about here.

4 Maps [10] "dungeon_item" "map" "rba"
Reason: Same as above.

5 Maps [17] "dungeon_item" "map" "rba"
Reason: Same as above.

6 Maps [23] "dungeon_item" "map" "rba"
Reason: Same as above.

3 Compasses [7] "dungeon_item" "compass"
Reason: Same as above.

4 Compasses [10] "dungeon_item" "compass"
Reason: Same as above.

5 Compasses [18] "dungeon_item" compass"
Reason: Same as above.

6 Compasses [24] "dungeon_item" "compass"
Reason: Same as above.

3 Boss Keys [22] "dungeon_item" "bk"
Reason: Same as above. 5 Bk's would be long bingo goal.

Frog's Heart Piece [24] "songs", "rba", "zl"
Reason: If more high ranking goals are needed this would be a good one. Also
proposed synergies may need to be changed.

Obtain Treasure Chest Heart Piece [16] "botw", "magic", "zl"
Reason: It can be luck based if you want to get it without lens + magic but with the other two
it may be extremely easy. However due to the luck based nature is can be bad for the idea of
"bingo balance" same concern can be applied to Both Dampe HPs

Bronze Gauntlets [24] "strength", "bulletbag", "rba", "atrade", "ganon", "deku"
Rank: 24 or 25 (leaning towards 24)
Reasoning: With gold gaunts becoming slightly easier, I think this could safely be re-added to the board.

9 hearts [25] "hearts"
Reasoning: 8 isn't really that bad. I am curious to add another 25th ranked item and see if
this is ever done.

Add Item: Defeat Amy (Green Poe) [16] "forest", "quiver", "rba"
Reasoning: Quiver (40) is ranked 12, bow is ranked 15. So you are either getting the bow and
then hopping right over to this room, or doing the rba and then heading to forest. For comparison,
forest BK is rank 16.  I am not sure I like this on the level of mirror shield though, it
seems way easier to get.

Get to the end of Forest Trial [23] "ganon", "zl", "magic", "quiver"
Reason for rank, this absolutely requires fire of some sort to do so that alone makes this rank
above Din's, and since I think this takes longer than fire arrows, I put it one notch higher.
I have the synergies magic, zl, and quiver because you need either real zl + magic to get dins
or magic, quiver + fire arrows.

Get to the end of Fire Trial [16] "ganon", "rba", "strength" ("sets" Maybe)
Fire trial requires gold level strength upgrade, and a way to do the room + cross the gap.
It can be done much easier if you have many hearts, hoverboots, or tunic, so I would consider adding the
"sets" synergy also.

Get to the end of Water Trial [19] "ganon", "fire",
Water Trial requires hammer to complete so I put this 4 ranks higher due the inconvenience
that needing hammer adds. This was a tougher one to weigh out so I don't know if it is exactly right.

Get to the end of Shadow Trial [22] "ganon", "magic", "fire"
This tiral requires the megaton hammer to complete. Fire can make this goal slightly easier,
but as it stands I think that this rank or higher is good.

Get to the end of Spirit Trial [22] "ganon", "quiver", "magic", "sets"
Spirit trial requires at least a bow to complete. You can either shot an arrow through the torch or use
dins. The requiremnt of mirror shield also bumps this room up much higher for time required to complete.

Get to the end of Light Trial [16] "ganon", "zl", "strength"
Light Trial is reather easy however it does require zl, and a strength upgrade so I chose to give it rank [11]. It may need to be much higher.

Defeat Ganon [23] "ganon", "deku", "lightarrow", "bottle", "rba"
Require Ganondoor, and it would have to be done last no matter what. Rank of 23 given due to the nature of the one way trip.


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Other suggsetions: Remove "Never Save", "Never obtain hookshot", "Never obtain bombchus"?
Reason: I suggest this because with the release of .oot, which contains both goals and
restrictions seem to work in that context, however with the same restrictions in bingo you
can either get a row/col that is very good, or extremely bad.



Thanks to:     Cosmo for making the bingo generator!
	       Runnerguy2489, Gombill, Qwerty, Jarvitz, Giuocob, Koobes, Kosmicd12 for all their
		   support and feedback.