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[10:29] <Muchado> hey X. virtuallann here. sorry about everything you have to deal with today
[10:29] <X> hi
[10:29] <X> I understand a large part of it
[10:29] <X> just wanted to get through this together
[10:29] <Muchado> i cant do it man
[10:29] <Muchado> to be honest....
[10:29] <X> I like the idea of publicly telling people what is going on
[10:30] <Muchado> i think stuhlman is just leading us on as long as he can with this working on it business
[10:30] <Muchado> everytime the shit hits the fan hes awol
[10:30] <Muchado> i said awhile back. just lay it all out and go from there
[10:30] <Muchado> people will leave, but we will have respect, anmd as we recover they will come back
[10:31] <X> I don't think he's working on it, and I agree with him, because the health problems of his wife should go first
[10:31] <Muchado> they knew about this on june 12
[10:31] <Muchado> for hoim to say hes working on trying to contact the investor, or try getting another source is bs honestly
[10:32] <Muchado> i have to be realistic
[10:32] <X> I have tought about that aswell
[10:32] <X> ofcourse...
[10:32] <Muchado> no one wants to come out and say it
[10:32] <X> I'm thinking of it constantly
[10:32] <Muchado> we are all thinking it
[10:32] <Muchado> that is the problem
[10:32] <Muchado> as a group we are not facing the real issues
[10:33] <Muchado> games and wallet and multipool is all secondary
[10:33] <Muchado> and here is one other thing
[10:33] <X> but we truely lack leadership
[10:33] <Muchado> at the end of the day yes, stuhl has a titan
[10:33] <Muchado> but its his titan going to his address. he can do whatever the hell he wants with it, hes not contracted to use it for caix
[10:34] <X> true
[10:34] <Muchado> so to say "we" have a titan is not true
[10:34] <X> somehow I trust him, and still do... I don't know why
[10:34] <X> he couldve ran away with so much money from nitro pools
[10:34] <X> but he didn't do that aswell
[10:34] <Muchado> maybe hes a honest guy. likely he is
[10:34] <X> and witha lot of money
[10:34] <Muchado> but he cant handle the pressure of whats happening and im seeing him abdicate all responsibility
[10:35] <X> I mean a lot more than 1.6million CAIx is worth
[10:35] <X> true
[10:35] <X> quite frankly if my wife has health problems and I would have to deal with two kids of my own I wouldn't spend any time on a virtual coin a swell
[10:35] <Muchado> i can relate to removing urself from stressful situations like this and taking a breather
[10:35] <Muchado> but hes hiding from it
[10:36] <Muchado> when i think about what ecactly he can or should be doing in this situation. its very little effort wise
[10:36] <Muchado> talk to some people, post some twitter stuff
[10:36] <Muchado> done
[10:37] <X> I agree
[10:37] <Muchado> be honest before i posted this today.... look ahead and tell me what u see happening
[10:38] <Muchado> i know what i see and its a nightmare of lost value
[10:39] <Muchado> a race for 320btc in caix to get out of the market with only 5 btc buy orders
[10:39] <Muchado> thats the reality
[10:39] <X> yes, I never said your point of view wasn't the reality
[10:39] <Muchado> thats why the whales want btc in node payments
[10:39] <X> yup, ofc
[10:40] <Muchado> if u give them caix they wont sell it. they cant
[10:40] <Muchado> it will tank the price again
[10:40] <Muchado> they will hold
[10:40] <Muchado> they know this too...
[10:40] <Muchado> they want btc because they dont care they want out
[10:40] <Muchado> the whales dont give a crap about this coin anymore
[10:41] <Muchado> they are just stuck cuz no one wants their coins
[10:41] <Muchado> its stagnation
[10:41] <X> I already know all this...
[10:41] <Muchado> do u really believe these titans are coming?
[10:42] <X> I need to think of a fix, not overthinking the problems over and over again
[10:42] <X> I believe one titan is coming
[10:42] <X> not three
[10:42] <Muchado> ok
[10:42] <Muchado> just making sure lol
[10:43] <Muchado> the reason i posted that is a personal one. not to be vindictive, but because there are 1/3 out there that are walking off a cliff and dont know it
[10:43] <Muchado> 1/3 coin holders
[10:43] <X> yes
[10:43] <X> I'm not trying to talk bad about u in the caishen channel
[10:43] <Muchado> whales can take a hit maybe those others cant
[10:44] <X> I'm just trying to make people realise that this is on the development team
[10:44] <Muchado> i know
[10:44] <X> not foundation members
[10:44] <Muchado> well iv burned that bridge im not worried what they are saying about me
[10:44] <Muchado> iv tried to offer my fixes both big and small
[10:45] <Muchado> to the point of almost buying a titan for caix
[10:45] <X> me to
[10:45] <X> I'm still thinking of buying a titan
[10:45] <X> second batch
[10:45] <Muchado> dont do it man
[10:45] <Muchado> look ahead
[10:45] <Muchado> i mean you will have a titan ya
[10:45] <Muchado> but dont buy it for this coin
[10:45] <X> If CAIx goes to shit I can still use it...
[10:45] <Muchado> yes
[10:46] <Muchado> so can stuhlman, hence hes not as invested in this as we all think
[10:46] <Muchado> consider this
[10:46] <Muchado> i know the others dont
[10:46] <Muchado> they consider this titan "theirs" somehow
[10:47] <Muchado> and this majika did you see what he said?
[10:47] <X> no
[10:47] <X> apparently I disconnected
[10:47] <Muchado> let me copy it here for you
[10:47] <X> ok
[10:48] <Muchado> damn it wont paste. ill pastebin it wquick
[10:49] <Muchado> http://pastebin.com/hYNAe2Mv
[10:49] <X> oh sorry, yeah, I got that lying part
[10:49] <Muchado> that right there made me realize with 100% certainty i made the right decision
[10:51] <Muchado> anyway. i hope the price holds for you guys. the fact it is right now kind of tells me that there are very few independant holders left
[10:51] <Muchado> which is a dead end
[10:52] <Muchado> i hope ur not in deep
[10:52] <Muchado> *thats what she said*
[10:52] <X> well
[10:53] <X> I am just a student holding a small amout
[10:53] <X> well for u it would be a small amount
[10:53] <Muchado> i still have 17k
[10:53] <X> for me it depends on CAIx if I can have another year of university or not
[10:54] <X> Don't really need it because I have graduated, but it would be nice
[10:54] <Muchado> i diversified in xc and vrc. nice returns on both since i switched out
[10:55] <Muchado> not quite recovered to pre caix value but getting there
[10:55] <Muchado> lol well assuming i can sell this caix eventually
[10:56] <X> will depend on stuhlman :)
[10:56] <Muchado> well i guess thats all i wanted to say really.
[10:57] <Muchado> you should maybe try and convince the guys to come clean about the situation and rebuild some trust
[10:57] <Muchado> its on the bottom as it is you have to start somewhere
[10:58] <Muchado> if you dont there will always be a cloud over caix
[10:59] <X> yes
[10:59] <X> I tried saying it wasnt a bad idea to come clean but other foundation members will try to do damage control
[11:00] <Muchado> its out of the bag, they just look bad at this point trying to cover
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[11:03] <X> they're ignoring when I say that it's not a bad idea
[11:04] <virtuallann> did u expect different? lol
[11:04] <virtuallann> see my bct post on dear in the headlights
[11:04] <virtuallann> they wont let their reality be shattered even if its a false one
[11:05] <X> wow I get backed up by Idol now lol
[11:06] <X> wtf dude
[11:06] <X> [18:05] <CG> virtualann Did the foundation ever discuss a way to keep caix members staking after the upcoming dividend payout?
[11:06] <X> [18:05] <virtuallann> no
[11:06] <X> we spend hours discussing that :/
[11:08] <X> [18:07] <virtuallann> the foundation has heard nothing on the app development front we dont even know if it exists anymore
[11:08] <X> wtf man
[11:09] <X> you're just trying to fuck this up
[11:09] <virtuallann> i believe he meant node payments
[11:09] <X> he asked this
[11:09] <X> [18:06] <CG> How are is the development branch doing? Are they making any profits that can or will be reinvested back into the coin?
[11:09] <virtuallann> i might have misunderstood
[11:09] <X> you're not even answering with wallet progress?
[11:09] <X> well I tought u had good intentions
[11:09] <X> bye now
[11:11] <virtuallann> im tryinfg to keep up didnt see wallet entry
[19:53] <X> give me log of someone saying a small group owns 1 million please
[19:53] <X> I cant find it
[20:59] <X> did u seriously post whole log of foundation channel?
[21:01] <X> thanks for shitting all over our work
[21:04] <X> i can not believe you went from a nice person with good ideas for this coin to a piece of shit with 0 respect. you obviously have NO idea on how to run things. theres a reason theres a foundation channel, otherwise we might aswell talk in public
[21:05] <X> u think other coins hve no backend prpblems that you will nver know about
[21:06] <X> I tought u were smarter than this
[21:06] <virtuallann> dont preach to me after pretending all disagree with everything iv said when u know its true. maybe u should read the log and take in exactly what other members have been saying there. u wanted to attack me instead of acknowledging the lies
[21:07] <virtuallann> as a group u are continuing to deceive pretending like i dont know what im talking about
[21:07] <virtuallann> just come clean
[21:07] <virtuallann> and move forward
[21:07] <virtuallann> simple
[21:07] <X> who said we werent
[21:07] <virtuallann> and i can go away
[21:07] <X> but foundation log, really?!
[21:07] <virtuallann> really
[21:08] <virtuallann> u want o kick me from the pub channel then post the logs? really?
[21:08] <X> thats a public channel
[21:08] <virtuallann> yup
[21:08] <virtuallann> so i should have a right to be there
[21:09] <virtuallann> i dont reallty care i knew that as soon as idol showed up it would happen
[21:09] <virtuallann> and a nice little "fuck you" msg along with my kiuck too. pro move
[21:10] <virtuallann> read through the logs dude... all of it
[21:10] <X> ah well, I am a 23 year old student who just graduated, but even I can see how wrong it is to share the log on so many levels
[21:11] <virtuallann> when u guys want to continue to throw up smoke and mirrors for people and pretend we werent lied to....
[21:11] <virtuallann> not a fucking one of you will admit to it and u all know its true
[21:11] <virtuallann> ,not...a... fucking...one
[21:12] <virtuallann> that tell me soemthing about this group. its sick
[21:13] <X> we didnt say anuthing
[21:13] <virtuallann> u want to find out where all the coiuns are? go look through all your logs for idols comms. even red5 admits to a large holding
[21:13] <X> we were waiting for stu
[21:13] <X> and were very much planning on coming clean
[21:13] <virtuallann> dude thats bullshit and u knmow it
[21:14] <X> i will give logs about that tomorrow
[21:14] <virtuallann> u were going to hush it up and hope for the best
[21:14] <X> on mobile now
[21:14] <virtuallann> pray that end of june didnt destroy everything
[21:14] <X> yep, they have about 300k of caix combined
[21:14] <X> dont know where u got ur number
[21:14] <virtuallann> lol dude.... just.... lol
[21:15] <virtuallann> idol alone admits to 200k
[21:15] <X> he has 130k
[21:16] <virtuallann> i guess hes cashing out too... since he told me directly he had 200
[21:16] <virtuallann> hes cashed out more than i ever had
[21:16] <virtuallann> his investor friend sold everything
[21:17] <virtuallann> with the titans
[21:18] <X> ah well, thanks for showing me what kind of person u really are. coming clean was one thing, but the childish behaviour is just too much. i hope ufeel loved for two weeka for being a hero
[21:19] <X> oh and btw i have syrgery tomorrow, so if u want to spread shit about me do it tomorrow, so i wont be able to respond
[21:19] <virtuallann> thanks for showing me that u all really dont care about telling the truth u just want to protect ur pocketbooks. my eyes have been opened. especially after re-reading that chat log for myself
[21:22] <X> are u just ignoring everything i said, i told u we already discussed coming clean and i had multiple members backing me up on it
[21:32] <virtuallann> go ahead and come clean then thats what i want. what i expect though is a spin job abdicating responsibility for the deception
[21:33] <virtuallann> you and i are just as guilty of it as the rest