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Natrii-Today at 12:30 PM
hi there in short, I have heard from People in the WoW Priest forums that your discord is feeding flawed and often incorrect information to Discipline Priests making many Priests to under preform and leave the spec.
Mend-Today at 12:33 PM
What information is flawed?
Natrii-Today at 12:42 PM
hi there
sorry for delay
was talking to Blackmorgrim
but he seemed to think I was talking about Shadow
A) Statweight
b) the pros and cons of disc priests in generaL
general*
Mend-Today at 12:46 PM
How is that information flawed exactly? You'll need to be more specific.
Natrii-Today at 12:47 PM
ofc mate
basically the way I have been told
you guys have made a list of statweights in the likes of: 1.0 Haste, 0.8 Int 0.7 crit 0.65 Mast 0.6 Vers
some crap like that
correct me if I am wrong
Mend-Today at 12:50 PM
Those numbers are a little out dated but int > haste > crit = mast = vers is the priority
Natrii-Today at 12:50 PM
just asking
how can u change a stat from 0.8 to all of a sudden best
without any patch
u guys are clearly just guessing
Mend-Today at 12:50 PM
7.1.5 was a patch?
Natrii-Today at 12:50 PM
if u had done math
u had never said haste was above int
ever
ever
ever
Mend-Today at 12:51 PM
Lol
Natrii-Today at 12:51 PM
7.1.5 was a patch u kiddin?
it maybe changed like 1% of stat prios
Mend-Today at 12:51 PM
What's your problem?
Natrii-Today at 12:51 PM
and it removed power from INT to other stats
so in that case it had been
Haste 1.0, int 0.7
or shit like that
My problem is, I have been trying to help Disc priests to play wow since Cata on the wow forums
I have had long debates with leading priests from across entire EU.
then all of a sudden in Legion. (mind me, I didnt play WoD)
I get told my stat weights are wrong since there are statweights made by u guys, that are considered "accepted as facts"
The net result of this, is Disc priests following ur stat weights, underpreforming by amounts like 20-25%
thats my problem.
Mend-Today at 1:00 PM
First, you're saying secondary stat weights didn't change in 7.1.5?
Because they did
Also, like I said the weights you linked were outdated
and the value of haste is a lot harder to determine than you'd think
So we always assumed int and haste were closer. Also, you never provided me what your alternative is.
Natrii-Today at 1:01 PM
I claim, u cant ever make stat weights
its been debunked since tbc
Mend-Today at 1:01 PM
My claim is, you're correct. They aren't 100% accurate
They are a guideline
We say so
Natrii-Today at 1:02 PM
on world boss, atm gimme 30sec
back
Thing is, if u make stat weights u must give templates
Mend-Today at 1:03 PM
Here
Natrii-Today at 1:03 PM
such as, at 0% secondaries each stat is worth this
with 20% of this and that
they value is this
Mend-Today at 1:03 PM
https://howtopriest.com/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=9471
Natrii-Today at 1:03 PM
so ppl learns
Mend-Today at 1:03 PM
That's the calculation used to determine stat weights
They are based off the players actual stats and not some static set of weights
At their core they are static weights, but they adjust based on the player stats
Also, have you even looked at the information I have in the #discipline channel?
Natrii-Today at 1:05 PM
ok
Mend-Today at 1:05 PM
Because you would have seen that if you did
Natrii-Today at 1:05 PM
impressive
I cant make such things
so I am not gonna say anything else than that I am mighty impressed
however. Does the Average joe understand this?
tbf, this is so complext that I dont even understand it
and I have been throerycrafting since tbc
Mend-Today at 1:06 PM
We explain it to them before they get weights usually. The importance of each stat and why
Natrii-Today at 1:06 PM
it looks like someones mathpapers
not a result
more like wip
ok
another important part tho is
if I ask u
how can u value intellect so close to crit
I mean
with 0% crit and 4000 intellect
u need 400 crit for 1% more dmg/healing, and 200 intellect is 1%
Mend-Today at 1:07 PM
It values the stat based on what you need. So if crit is low, it values higher
Natrii-Today at 1:07 PM
so how on earth
can one be 1.0 and other 0.9
Mend-Today at 1:07 PM
Example: you are 885 ilvl with 5% crit
Natrii-Today at 1:07 PM
xD
ok
but thats just even more wrong then
cus then u need 420 crit for 1% dmg and healing
Mend-Today at 1:08 PM
These are pawn strings btw
not weights
Different things
Natrii-Today at 1:08 PM
ok
but if I ask u this
Mend-Today at 1:08 PM
For the sake of pawn, this makes your gear choices more accurate
Natrii-Today at 1:08 PM
I got 26% crit 11.5% vers
pretty much optimal
and then 20% haste
and some scrap mastery
based on ur website
I would have terrible stats
based on the game and math
I have perfect
so where did we lose eachother?
Mend-Today at 1:09 PM
Right, because you're not playing the optimal playstyle for healing in mythic raids
Natrii-Today at 1:10 PM
I value damage as 1. healing as 1
1000 dmg and 1000 healing = 2000
800 dmg and 1100 healing = 1900
u seem to count 1000 dmg and 1000 healing as 1000
and 800 dmg and 1100 healing as 1100
Mend-Today at 1:11 PM
Discipline Priests are healers. Our DPS is a result of our healing, not our primary focus
If you're under some assumption we're hybrids, I'm sorry, but you're wrong
Natrii-Today at 1:11 PM
We're Hybrids, thats another thing I wanted to talk about
the philosophy of Disc Priests in general
the goal, the benefits and the weaknesses
We're always gonna be worse healers than a Resto shaman, if we dont count our dmg into the calc
Mend-Today at 1:12 PM
So you're saying to be the most optimal healer as a Disc Priest you should focus on damage as well?
Natrii-Today at 1:12 PM
yes
if u do 300k dmg and 350k healing
is way better than
Mend-Today at 1:13 PM
Then explain to me how several Disc Priests beat other healers in overall healing rankings
Natrii-Today at 1:13 PM
100k dmg and 400k healing
Mend-Today at 1:13 PM
While doing 150k dps
Natrii-Today at 1:13 PM
show me the log where disc is world 1
even if u can dig one up
it will be hard to find
Tichondrius rank 2
thats the best I can find
thats 1 boss fight
Mend-Today at 1:14 PM
If you have math proving what we say is wrong, please share it. If you have logs proving what we say is wrong, please share them. I'm not going to sit here while someone who I don't know is telling me that what has worked in actual Mythic raids is somehow incorrect or inaccurate.
Otherwise you're speaking in general terms and it's doing us no good
Natrii-Today at 1:14 PM
ofc mate
will do
sorry, I appologize
why are u running a website like this tho
discord my misstakes
Mend-Today at 1:15 PM
Question is, why aren't you running your own?
Natrii-Today at 1:15 PM
if u dont want a discussion
Mend-Today at 1:15 PM
I'm open to discussion
Natrii-Today at 1:15 PM
plz have respect
good
sec then
Mend-Today at 1:16 PM
The problem is you're not discussing anything
All you've done is tell me I'm wrong
Natrii-Today at 1:16 PM
well u are, I can prove it to u
but if u cant comprahend it
thats ur issue not mine
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/15389290/latest/ here is my main logs
ur friend said I was overgeared and bla bla
so here is my alt
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/3979806/10/
Mend-Today at 1:17 PM
You also are healing with some potato healers
Natrii-Today at 1:17 PM
bare in mind, I am world first healing and dmg on SAME kill on SEVERAL fights for my itemlevel with my alt
Mend-Today at 1:17 PM
Lol
You're aware how many people are in that item level bracket right?
Natrii-Today at 1:18 PM
so its not like my healing is bad
I talk about my alt
and hes 875ish
Mend-Today at 1:18 PM
Again
Natrii-Today at 1:18 PM
thats the most populated bracket
on my main I am world 2nd dmg world 5th healing on Startseeker guy
Mend-Today at 1:18 PM
https://gyazo.com/f2de2d884371e2e356be170205e509af
Gyazo
Gyazo

Great it's down
sec
Natrii-Today at 1:19 PM
several other things
too
so thats some logs for starters
now u wanted math right?
or u want to check the logs?
be my guest
Mend-Today at 1:23 PM
If you want to prove us wrong then the burden of proof is on you to do so. Linking week 1 logs from NH is not proof of anything. Also, ranking in healing and DPS in Normal / Heroic of any difficulty isn't a major accomplishment. The fact is you provide 2/3rds (at most) of another DPS's damage and 1/3rd of a healers out put, seen here: https://gyazo.com/58153bd24a17061d592d5969dc3804c1(edited)
Gyazo
Gyazo

Until you can give me concrete proof that your method is viable as a healer, I'm not going to recommend it to anyone
If you had decent healers healing with you and you were holding your own, that's a different story, but your other healers aren't rockstars, and provided there is a lot of consistent damage in Nighthold, your style of Atonement healing will yield more healing than in encounters like Ursoc or Elerethe in EN for example
Doesn't make it viable as a healer since you'd likely fail in a mythic setting. We provide information for players who are trying to maximize their play to clear Heroic and enter Mythic raids. H2P has always been a resource for competitive players since 2011.
Natrii-Today at 1:27 PM
Dude, thats my disc alt, getting carried in tov
Mend-Today at 1:28 PM
https://gyazo.com/d4fe1d98a0829137c524ac6b11178861
Gyazo
Gyazo

Natrii-Today at 1:28 PM
I was basically the 3rd wheel on the cart
Mend-Today at 1:28 PM
There, my apologies
Point is, you're still not outhealing me at 400k hps
or someone of equal gear
Natrii-Today at 1:29 PM
wow cool
just got fox mount
wow so weird website u link pictures with
had to reboot discord
either way
thats Helya HC
and we had too good healers
for it
and I did 300k dps
and still high end blue healing
Mend-Today at 1:32 PM
That's fine, but you could do 600k+ with Shadow
So if you want to DPS
Play a DPS spec
Natrii-Today at 1:32 PM
sure thing
Mend-Today at 1:32 PM
If you want to heal, play a healer spec
Natrii-Today at 1:32 PM
wow
Mend-Today at 1:32 PM
Disc is not a hybrid
You're making it seem like getting rank 1 in DPS makes a healing spec viable as DPS
When that's not how it works
Never has
Natrii-Today at 1:33 PM
ur so terrible at arguing and even worse at being able to run a discord like this
Mend-Today at 1:33 PM
Ok
Thanks for wasting my time
Natrii-Today at 1:33 PM
I rest my case
Mend-Today at 1:33 PM
Good luck
Actually, I want one last parting shot: If you ever want to disprove something, do it with facts. Don't come in telling people they are wrong then act like they should know who you are, when honestly, you've accomplished nothing other than make yourself look like an idiot to anyone who knows what the hell they are talking about. You say you theorycrafted since TBC or w/e, but you got impressed by a stat calculator (not even that complicated). You have some major issues to deal with personally I can tell, because you can't handle being told you're wrong when you clearly are. I hope you decide to act a bit more like an adult in how you try to portray your views, but I doubt that will happen. Back to my blocked list you go.
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