12:55 PM] w00t: you do realize what we're trying to say? we're happy to help, but as a person you can't just expect us to cater to every question you have hand and foot.. something as simple as asking for what operator does division is not a question we should be answering for you
[12:55 PM] w00t: if it were a bit more complicated, we'd be more than happy to help you
[12:55 PM] w00t: but to expect someone to be your database is asking a lot of them
[12:55 PM] w00t: as a person
[12:55 PM] Lardi: Look If I asked someone in person for something they would explain it
[12:56 PM] Lardi: I guess you guys are just too busy with procastination
[12:56 PM] Lardi: Like everyone fucking is
[12:57 PM] w00t: you're missing our point entirely Lardi, it's not we're too lazy to help you, its just you need to learn to help yourself and cant just rely on humans to be available for you to help with every little thing you come across in coding, its just unrealistic and not socially acceptable, and don't start with insulting me cuz Im trying to help you
[12:58 PM] Lardi: If I asked someone in person something they would answer
[12:58 PM] w00t: if you feel like we're not your friends, then why dont you leave the Den, cuz we're all friends here
[12:58 PM] Lardi: I guess that doesn't apply here because muh google
[12:58 PM] w00t: and we were only tryign to help, whether you wanna see it or not
[12:59 PM] w00t: I will warn you tho, I will not accept that type of talking aboit suicide in the chat, or I will ask you to leave
[12:59 PM] Lardi: You're not seeing my point
[12:59 PM] Lardi: Nobody is
[1:01 PM] w00t: I am seeing your point, your point is that people should wait on you and foot so that you never have to use google to answer your questions, but where were the people that helped me and Moony? yeah sure, if we get really stuck we had mentors to ask and help elaborate, but you think he and I asked every, single, trivial question we came across? fuck no, we did our research and figured it out for ourselves
[1:01 PM] Lardi: No
[1:01 PM] Lardi: Thats not it
[1:01 PM] w00t: then what is it, please tell me
[1:01 PM] Lardi: You don't tell someone in person to fucking go read a dictionary when they don't know something
[1:02 PM] w00t: the fact that you didnt even TRY to look is what's setting me and moony off
[1:03 PM] w00t: if you were to type that same question in to google, you would've gotten the same answer we would've told you without having to rely on us, wouldnt that have felt better knowing you figured it out for yourself? or are YOU the lazy one that cbb to do research so you ask others to do it for you
[1:03 PM] Lardi: I guess I won't ask anything then!
[1:03 PM] w00t: thats not our point, but okay if you so wish
[1:03 PM] w00t: godspeed
[1:04 PM] w00t: maybe think twice before you start getting spiteful towards the people that defend you and try to help you, cuz then you really wont have any friends left
[1:05 PM] Lardi: I try to treat friends here like I would on person
[1:06 PM] w00t: then you have some very patient friends and you should be grateful for em
[1:07 PM] Lardi: Look I wouldnt tell someone to fuck into google and I expect the same from people
[1:08 PM] w00t: that's admirable of you, but not socially realisitc when it comes to coding if all of the questions are so trivial that a quick google search can fix...its literally at your fingertips ;X
[1:09 PM] Lardi: Its just rude
[1:09 PM] w00t: cuz believe me, you will have a lot of questions needing answered....everybody does when it comes to coding
[1:09 PM] w00t: I use google religously when it comes to coding, same with Moony
[1:10 PM] w00t: every programming language has its own syntax, so you'll be constantly looking up how each programming language handles their code
[1:10 PM] w00t: and thats' what we're trying to encourage
[1:10 PM] w00t: we're not just dismissing you for the sake of dismissing you
[1:11 PM] Lardi: Ive been dismissed by people I tought where friends
[1:13 PM] Lardi: I've been so alone and hurt due to people I tought and trusted in
[1:14 PM] Lardi: I just can't feel comfortable with people anymore
[1:16 PM] w00t: I just want you to understand that we're still here to help, but when it comes to coding you need, NEED to understand that you will have so many questions needing answered and the best answers are already out there, and unless you learn how to research these things on your own, you're not gunna get far :\
[1:16 PM] Lardi: Look its just that I view saying someone to go google as offensive
[1:16 PM] w00t: and we will help you if you've done your research and still are stuck, but we can't give any more comitment than you're willing to give in to researching, you know?
[1:16 PM] Lardi: Instead of dedicating your time to answer your friend and such
[1:16 PM] w00t: but to expect someone to dedicate their time with every question you get is asking a lot of that person :X
[1:17 PM] Lardi: It might be but im not even that good at social etiquette
[1:17 PM] w00t: this is why Im here trying to explain it to you, but you keep pushing me away
[1:17 PM] w00t: I wouldnt be here talking to you if I wasnt your friend, Lardi :X
[1:18 PM] Lardi: Its not you guys its just me
[1:18 PM] Lardi: I have alot of mixed feelings on me due to experiences I had
[1:18 PM] Lardi: I fear of being rejected
[1:19 PM] w00t: I get that way sometimes too, we're only human lol but do you see what I mean in why we were encouraging google? I mean if it were anything else other than coding, we'd most likely just answer your question, but when it comes to coding, google is literally your best friend...and I mean that xD
[1:20 PM] w00t: especially when you start going from one language to another
[1:20 PM] w00t: each has their own set of rules
[1:20 PM] Lardi: Look im sorry, its just that I get very aggresive reactions to dumb shit
[1:20 PM] Lardi: I've got angered to my family for making noise
[1:20 PM] Lardi: Or even talking
[1:22 PM] Lardi: And saying that im a buddy or friend after all I've went through just
[1:22 PM] Lardi: Feels wrong to me when I distrust people
[1:22 PM] Lardi: Saying that im a buddy or friend is a heavy word to me
[1:22 PM] w00t: its ok bud, apology accepted, all I ask is that when you start feeling this anger, just take a step back mentally and take a good, hard rational look at the situation...I promise you, no one here is out for you, we're all friends here and the Dapper Den wouldnt be alive if that werent true lol
[1:23 PM] w00t: I do think, however, you owe Moony an apology too ;X he was only in the same boat as I, willing to help but trying to encourage google as your coding bible
[1:24 PM] Lardi: Eh he blocked me
[1:27 PM] Lardi: I just bring this all on myself
[1:28 PM] w00t: and just know, I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but the only time I ever start showing malice towards someone is when they show it towards me ;X so if you ever feel like Im starting to come down on you, just take a step back and reflect on how you might be acting in the current situation, I promise Im a very fair person when you get to know me lol
[1:28 PM] w00t: and its okay, as humans we all have to learn from our mistakes
[1:28 PM] w00t: and always strive to change for the better
[1:29 PM] w00t: I know you got it in you, you're a good guy, Lardi ;X
[1:29 PM] w00t: I just hate to see you start pushing people away when you start getting frustrated because thats the last thing one should ever do :\
[1:30 PM] w00t: hell, sometimes when I get pissed off to the point where Im afraid Im gunna say something Im gunna regret, I log off for a bit lol
[1:30 PM] w00t: cool down, reflect why I was so mad, and resolve
[1:31 PM] w00t: we cool, tho?
[1:34 PM] Lardi: I have way too many inner demons
[1:34 PM] Lardi: I don't want to hurt people but I end up doing it filled with rage and frustation
[1:37 PM] w00t: all it takes is to identify when you're angry/frustrated, take a step back and a deep breath to try and calm yourself down, and just try to think what caused you to get so upset, try to think of it like from a 3rd party's perspective, like out of your own shoes
[1:37 PM] Lardi: I only have myself to blame
[1:37 PM] Lardi: I try to improve but it's really hard
[1:37 PM] w00t: just takes time and effort, but I know you can do it :smiley: like I said, I know the good side of you
[1:38 PM] w00t: just always remind yourself to think rationally in any given situation
[1:38 PM] w00t: ofc easier said than done lol
[1:38 PM] Lardi: I don't mean to
[1:38 PM] w00t: hey, I've been known to punch a wall in my day ;X I think its testosterone lol
[1:38 PM] Lardi: I only want friends to care for
[1:38 PM] w00t: no one means to fly off the handle :\ its just a human thing to do sometimes
[1:39 PM] Lardi: But I only end up with people hating and blocking me
[1:39 PM] Lardi: Due to my paranoia
[1:40 PM] Lardi: And lack of self control
[1:40 PM] w00t: you gotta train yourself out of it, I mean Im not saying everyone's perfect, Ive had a few friends fuck me over in the past, hell even my cousin is currently dating one of my ex's, but I can't let it get to me and affect the friendships I have now because they had nothing to do with it(edited)
[1:40 PM] Lardi: I don't hate Moonkis
[1:40 PM] w00t: I know you dont buddy :\ and he doesnt hate you
[1:41 PM] w00t: he just...was kinda fed up lol
[1:41 PM] w00t: but that doesnt mean he wont change his mind
[1:41 PM] Lardi: Im very hard to handle
[1:41 PM] w00t: love that song ;P but hey, I get it...
[1:42 PM] w00t: its just something you as an individual should try to grow out of, you know?
[1:42 PM] Lardi: Right now I just wish I could tell him all this
[1:42 PM] w00t: at least you're aware of all of these things, that's the first step to fixing it
[1:42 PM] Lardi: I've shed tears just a moment ago on how bad I am(edited)
[1:43 PM] w00t: Im proud that you're able to at least see it, it takes a mature person to do so
[1:43 PM] w00t: you just now have to remember to strive away from those reactions
[1:43 PM] Lardi: Its hard when your heart is dead and full of rage
[1:44 PM] w00t: hey man, just remember you're not alone ;X
[1:44 PM] w00t: I could go on about how I hate people xD but I dont hold on to those feelings here
[1:45 PM] w00t: you guys are my friends and there's better things to do with my time ;P
[1:45 PM] w00t: even tho Ill still sit here and watch political youtube vids...
[1:45 PM] Lardi: I don't want people to hate me for my flaws
[1:46 PM] w00t: then don't give them a reason to ;X no one hates people because of their flaws unless its personal against them
[1:46 PM] Lardi: I try but its stronger than me
[1:47 PM] w00t: I dont believe that, I think you're stronger than it ;X in fact I know you are, you just gotta believe in yourself
[1:47 PM] w00t: you know there's a good person inside of you
[1:47 PM] w00t: let him out and lock his evil twin brother up :stuck_out_tongue:
[1:47 PM] Lardi: I just want to apologize to Moonkis
[1:48 PM] Lardi: I've been too harsh on him
[1:49 PM] w00t: I think if you apologize to him and thank him for everything he's been willing to do for you, he'll turn around ;X Ill talk to him to see if I can get him to unblock you, he might've just needed to cooldown himself
[1:49 PM] Lardi: Thank you
[1:51 PM] w00t: and just know that if he does turn around, you may not get another chance if you push him away again ;X just remember to always use your rational thinking when you start feeling that anger/frustration and don't let it get the better of you(edited)
[1:52 PM] w00t: does, not doesnt haha
[1:53 PM] w00t: I know you know it's not right :smiley: you just gotta remind yourself that
[1:53 PM] Lardi: Its easier said than done
[1:54 PM] w00t: ofc, especially when you're already mad
[1:55 PM] w00t: but if gets to that point, do what I do and just cut yourself off before you say something you'll regret :X getting the last word in isn't always the best thing to do
[1:55 PM] Lardi: Im not known for knowing when to stop
[1:56 PM] w00t: but just know, its only human to get pissed lol
[1:56 PM] w00t: you just have to be the better person and know what's not okay to do when you are pissed
[1:56 PM] Lardi: Yea but sometimes its too late to fix
[1:57 PM] w00t: you need to recognize it earlier then, and figure out what you have to do to calm yourself down, everyone's different
[1:58 PM] w00t: again, easier said than done lol but you know that saying "you're not my friend" is hard thing to come back from...so maybe before you start saying things like, take a step back and think about why you're so mad
[1:59 PM] Lardi: Well I have my reasons to say that
[1:59 PM] w00t: and if its something that you can't get over in the immediate present, than just step away and do something else that'll calm you down like watch a youtube vid or something
[2:00 PM] w00t: we're all friends here Lardi ;X you have to remember that lol
[2:00 PM] w00t: else we wouldnt have kept you in the group this whole time ;P we care about our Dapper family
[2:01 PM] Lardi: I know just
[2:01 PM] Lardi: Don't take my angry words like it's me
[2:03 PM] Lardi: I don't mean it
[2:03 PM] w00t: unfortunately, this is the internet :\ words are all we have to go by on judging people's characters... it's unrealistic to say something harsh to someone only to expect them disregard it just cuz you're mad, you have to be the better person and just not say those things
[2:03 PM] w00t: if you don't really mean them, that is
[2:03 PM] Lardi: Its not easy
[2:06 PM] w00t: I know but it's crucial :\ I mean, I like to think Im a patient person and I've met people who are very similar to yourself, but one thing that's important to remember is just because a person is pissed off doesn't give them the right to be awful to another human being without repercussion, for someone like me who gets why you act the way you do, I can be a bit more understanding, but if you were to keep pulling that with me even I wouldnt want to try and talk to you anymore and that's the thing you need to always remember
[2:06 PM] Lardi: I dont have any rights to do it
[2:07 PM] Lardi: But I just want them to know that I have my problems and I need to work on them
[2:09 PM] w00t: I think that if you explain that to Moony in the same light you explained it to me, he will understand
[2:09 PM] w00t: as long as he knows you're aware of it and are trying to change