<camerongray> What is everyone's obession with DriverAgent at the moment?  Looks just like the usual junk!
<Aciebel> camerongray: It is though :P
<IndianaJoe> username: ij8298099
<camerongray> Junk?  Yeah :P
<IndianaJoe> password: faye21
<camerongray> Rushmore: DVI is Digital, VGA is analogue - DVI has a clearer, sharper picture so use it if you can
<camerongray> We are seriously advising DriverAgent now?
<IndianaJoe> no, unlike the competitors, it is not junk
<Aciebel> camerongray: DVI shares its quality settings with HDMI, VGA is kind of outdated
<camerongray> Sure looks like it, paying for drivers?
<Jman306> AFK
<Aciebel> IndianaJoe: Ever seen DriverScanner by Uniblue?
<IndianaJoe> yes - have seen it - and that one is junk
<Aciebel> IndianaJoe: One of the harder ones to get for free, but certainly not a bad program
<camerongray> Going to do what I've been planning on doing for ages - Running it on my testing laptop, see how much it tries to scare me!
<Aciebel> I've been using it for a long time and it seems to have done its job pretty well though
<lostcoast> http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/uniblue.com?utm_source=addon&utm_content=popup-donuts
<lostcoast> very poor rep
<Aciebel> lostcoast: Lol @ child safety though
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<guest_65> hey, any one know of any good usb to sata hard drive adapters?
<lostcoast> most any are fine
<guest_65> will all of them connect a tower's hard drive to a laptop fine?
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<Aciebel> guest_89: Sorry lost track of your post, now go to "device manager"
<lostcoast> if its 3.5 and 2.5 inch drive compatible you can use laptop or desktop drives over usb
<guest_85> i dont get it, my video card on x4 antialiasing is 1 degree cooler than on x2 antialiasing on trackmania forever, any idea why?
<Aciebel> guest_89: and see under the tab "network adapters" which ones are there
<camerongray> Oh no!  According to DriverAgent my testing laptop has 57% out of date drivers - I bet updating them will make it so much faster :L
<guest_85> 57% faster
<camerongray> lol
<IndianaJoe> it's up to you if you want to update
<camerongray> I wonder what the same company's "Registry Wizard" will do :P
<camerongray> Good job machine is being reinstalled
<guest_85> i dont get it, my video card on x4 antialiasing is 1 degree cooler than on x2 antialiasing on trackmania forever, any idea why??
<IndianaJoe> regwiz is an ok product - it won't kill your system
<IndianaJoe> but I don't use it myself
<Aciebel> IndianaJoe: That's a good start
<Quantos> That's not much of a review.  'It won't kill your system'
<Aciebel> Quantos: But it's something
<camerongray> Wow it's flipping out!
<Aciebel> lol
<camerongray> And this is a pretty much brand new install of Vista Business
<IndianaJoe> I have seen similar products cause much damage
<guest_89> : Aciebel there is nothing in there
<camerongray> All it has installed is Chrome and DriverAgent and has only ever been used 5 times to run "Winbox" (My router's config program)
<Aciebel> guest_89: excuse me?
<camerongray> Oh no! 131 Problems found!
<Aciebel> guest_89: How exactly are you talking to me right now, if you do not have a network adapter?
<guest_89> am using another comp
<Aciebel> Ah, well that makes sense
<camerongray> I'm actually scared to try their "BIOS Agent Plus" :P - And this is an ancient machine!
<Aciebel> camerongray: DO IT
<camerongray> lol
<guest_85> whats it do
<camerongray> But that's one thing that would actually persist on the machine
<IndianaJoe> camerongray fair comment
<guest_85> whats it do?
<camerongray> Actually, probably won't do anything since I'm not going to pay
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<Aciebel> camerongray: But will you dare click the button?
<camerongray> lol
<guest_85> bios updates are scary, screen froze when i did mine, but it was ok
<camerongray> It's a junk laptop!
<camerongray> HP/Compaq NX7300 - Celeron 440, 2gb RAM, Vista Business
<guest_85> i wouldnt use that for toilet paper
<guest_85> wouldnt flush
<camerongray> lol!
<camerongray> I got it in a bunch of laptops I was refurbing
<guest_85> ic
<guest_85> seems not too  bad tho
<camerongray> Worked fine out of the box but not worth the bother cleaning and selling so I just kept it as a testing unit
<camerongray> Oh, what a bonus - It fixed 30 registry errors!
<camerongray> But wait!  101 remaining, OMG!, I better pay for it!
<IndianaJoe> lol
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<Aciebel> Try to run it for free 4 more times and you're done
<camerongray> Well, that's highly amusing!
<camerongray> I ran DriverAgent, gave loads of "out of date" drivers
<camerongray> Didn't mention Modem anywher
<Aciebel> you'll have another 16 toolbars then, but hey, at which cost?
<camerongray> Then Windows just popped up th solution center - "You are missing the driver for your Modem, download it from the Hewlett Packard website"
<camerongray> If driveragent is so good, why can't it see a modem? :P
<Aciebel> Lovely, those witty popups
<camerongray> This was an official Windows message
<Aciebel> No Modem driver, have fun downloading it
-*- camerongray explodes with laugheter spilling a drink all over his desk
<camerongray> Remember when I ran DriverAgent and it said 57%?
<Aciebel> Hm?
<camerongray> Well, I just ran that BIOS thing, same company, but now I have 63% old drivers!
<camerongray> I changed nothign!
<Aciebel> Better start, before the number shoot up
<Aciebel> numbers*
<camerongray> lol
<camerongray> Now on to uniblue
<camerongray> I connected the laptop to my guest network area for a reason :P
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<Aciebel> If you want I can "help" you "get" it
<Aciebel> iykwim
-*- Aciebel pokes camerongray
<camerongray> lol
<camerongray> Not trying to repair it
<camerongray> Just seeing how they try to scare me
<Aciebel> Oh, well that changes things
<Aciebel> Need some more programs that "improve your system"?
<camerongray> That found the modem at least!
<Aciebel> what type of modem are you using?
<camerongray> Not using it, it's the internal dial up one
<Aciebel> haha
<Aciebel> because updating that will greatly improve your performance
<IndianaJoe> camerongray I have your results - for "tiree"
<camerongray> lol!
<camerongray> Another reason I don't want to use it!
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<camerongray> So does it share everyone's system info with members?
<IndianaJoe> DA will prioritize Hp drivers.  bap will give you the latest driver
<camerongray> No, but what I'm shocked about is the fact it shares MY system info with members
<IndianaJoe> from hp, intel, Broadcom, etc - whatever is in your machine
<Aciebel> AFK for a while
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<camerongray> I wasn't given any option to explicitly share my info like that
<IndianaJoe> cg it doesn't share any info
<camerongray> Then where did you get my hostmask?
<IndianaJoe> staff
<camerongray> Then that's absolutely fantastic!
<camerongray> Staff that are willing to share info about customer PCs
<Azander> ???
<camerongray> Azander: I ran a scan with DriverAgent on my testing laptop (Going to reinstall) to see how bad it really was
<camerongray> Turns out that staff members are willing to give my scan results to IndianaJoe
<Azander> tikes!
<Azander> Yikes
<camerongray> Which IMO is ridiculous!
<camerongray> I mean, it doesn't have much info but still
<Azander> Staff on Mibbit are forbidden to share that info for privacy reasons :)
<guest_65> hey guys, How would i make my 7200 1TB internal sata hard drive into an external one which would be able to connect to my laptop?
<lostcoast> privacy on the internet  ...laf
<camerongray> But still, a company doing that!
<camerongray> guest_65: You can get a SATA enclosure that will do that
<camerongray> I mean, what it includes is my machines specs, model, OS version, hostname and a list of installed software!
<camerongray> There could have easily been propriatery business software on there!
<guest_65> camerongray: a SATA enclosure would convert the hard drive from sata to usb in the caddy?
<camerongray> guest_65: Yeah, they usually have a controller that does that
<camerongray> Also get ones that do USB 3.0 and ESATA
<guest_65> camerongray: could you maybe find a cheap one that is able to do USB 3.0 and SATA for a 3.5?
<camerongray> Just look on amazon, something like "USB 3.0 SATA Enclosure 3.5"
<lostcoast> or just buy an adapter cable
<camerongray> True, depends if you want it to be external forever of just a few times
<camerongray> or*
<guitar_man> camerongray: he is staff as in he is DA
<camerongray> guitar_man: So what?  Why should staff have access to my personal info like that!
<guest_65> camerongray: i've given my desktop to my brother, im keeping the hard drive but want it as an external for my laptop :)
<camerongray> guest_65: Ahh, i'd get the enclosure then, keeps it safet
<camerongray> safer*
<camerongray> I don't normally get mad, but that has made me furious!
<camerongray> IndianaJoe/guitar_man: What other info does their software give, can you get my BIOSAgentPlus report too?
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<guitar_man> I dunno I have never bothered to look , I just give affiliate passes , I let the user do thier own thing , I just support them if needed
<guest_65> camerongray: would this be the kind of enclosure i should be looking at? http://www.amazon.co.uk/IT735U3-SATA-External-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B004LO59MK
<camerongray> Yeah, that looks fine
<camerongray> But what that's just shown is those users are clearly having their privacy violated
<camerongray> Look at most software "Do you want to send an error report?  Click here to see the info this contains, no personally identifiable info is collected" - Nothing like that from DriverAgent
<camerongray> I expected DriverAgent to be bad, but that's not bad, that's dreadful!
<guitar_man> in the 8 or 9 years i have been associated with DA , and as far as I know , the only info we use is the driver combo's of the machines,
<camerongray> But the fact is that it sent that info out without my explicit consent
<camerongray> And why would it even need that info?
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<camerongray> And if that info is collected, why should "staff" give it out?
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<camerongray> IndianaJoe: So what other info is made available by DriverAgent?
<camerongray> You know, just taken from my machine and put online without my explcit consent?
<camerongray> My BIOS report too, I imagine that's taken
<IndianaJoe> yes
<camerongray> Oh goody
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<camerongray> Where was the message saying it would send it out?
<IndianaJoe> but none of it is published
<guitar_man> put online is a knee gerk
<camerongray> But you could access it?
<camerongray> No policies or restrictions against it?
<IndianaJoe> information is used by tech support - you may have problems
<camerongray> In that case I should be clearly asked if I want it sent out
<camerongray> For example, my hostname, why is that there?
<camerongray> Pretty sure my IP would be logged somewhere - It's not too hard to work out my pattern of hostnames from there
<camerongray> The majority of my machines are accessible over the internet, being able to work out hostmasks of other machines is not good
<IndianaJoe> your machine name - used by you if you have more than 1 machine linked to your account
<camerongray> I didn't even use an account!
<IndianaJoe> excellent
<camerongray> I don't have an issue with data being collected in general, but no explicit consent?
<camerongray> That's BAD
<IndianaJoe> it's GOOD
<camerongray> Explain why?
<guest_65> how on earth is data being collected without consent a good thing?
<camerongray> Why it's good for a piece of desktop software, to collect potentially personally identifiable information (Although a long shot but could be) without consent
<camerongray> I wouldn't mind if it had said "Do you want to send this info to DriverAgent to help assist you if you need support"
<camerongray> But nope, one click, BAM, sent
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<guitar_man> next click bam list of good bad drivers and download links
<guitar_man> as well as any software updates
<camerongray> And shared online
<camerongray> It could have all been done in software
<Aciebel> camerongray, FBI is now reading your results
<Aciebel> They're on to you, run!
<camerongray> lol
<guitar_man> nope is not shared online ,
<camerongray> Simply looked up what drivers I have, compared to its database, then told me what needs updated
<camerongray> There is no need for it to be shared or stored anywhere
<camerongray> Now, a "Share report" button would be very useful
<camerongray> But it's not needed formost cases
<Aciebel> inb4 share on Facebook and tell your friends which drivers need updated!
<camerongray> lol!
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<camerongray> And I'm not against data collection, remember what my job is?  But something like a hostname could have been "CameronGrayPC" - BAM, personally identifiable
<camerongray> We discuss this a lot at work, e.g. what's personally identifiable and what isn't - Something like a persons name is at the top of the list of "NO!"
<Aciebel> is your computer's name on there?
<camerongray> Yeah
<camerongray> For me it's not personally identifiable "Tiree"
<Aciebel> I'd question the fact of people knowing I called her Emma
<camerongray> lol
<Aciebel> simply because I think that's a nice name
<camerongray> But from that people could work out the pattern of my other hostmasks fairly quickly
<camerongray> And since most of my machines are exposed online based on hostmasks, that's not goodf
<Azander> heh
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<camerongray> And at work our machines are prefixed with the company's initials
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<camerongray> So from there you could find the company and BOOM, there's an address and phone number
<guitar_man> if they could even be bothered , you are assuming they would , you are assuming they would , so wrong
<Aciebel2> Yea I can figure that's also easier to get knowledge of the system being used
<Azander> No.. that isn't it.  I've done this argument before.  It isn't that they won't, or would, it is that they CAN.
<Azander> what is to stop some hacker from getting into their systems and stealing that information as well ?
<Aciebel2> information can be so valuable
-*- Azander has learned the HARD way :(
<Aciebel2> how so?
<guitar_man> can or could and do are assumptions on your part ,
<Azander> some data was stolen by a hacker, they used it to get into servers I manage.
<Azander> it was a nightmare for a while.
<Azander> all because someone else was somewhat lax on security
<guitar_man> well would be nice if an example of DA abusing the info was presented
<camerongray> But the fact it's colllected is bad!
<Azander> it was over a year ago, and I still keep watch for any signs of that information coming back to haunt me.
<camerongray> And the fact a supposed staff member was so willing to (a) look up my data and (b) post it in a public IRC channel
<Aciebel2> lol
<Azander> I see camerongray on 127.0.0.5 :P
<camerongray> lol
<camerongray> I have access to data from massive websites, most people here have probably used them - BUt I don't go around posting info that has been collected!
<camerongray> There are rules around what the data can be used for and where it must be stored, pertty sure posting in an IRC channel is against them
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<camerongray> Yet, this software is happily recommended here as a "solution"
<camerongray> All it has done is collect info without consent, then try to scare me into paying $30 to fix a laptop that's not even worth that and works fine as it is
<guitar_man> scare you?
<camerongray> Apparantly 57% of my drivers are out of date and this will clearly cause all manner of issues with my machine
<camerongray> Despite this machine running all the latest drivers from HP
<camerongray> OH SNAP!
<camerongray> Did you see the claim at startup?
<camerongray> 10% Faster Internet Speed?
<guitar_man> nope , not , it tells you that better , newer drivers etc are available
<Aciebel2> WOW
<Aciebel2> must have!
<camerongray> So, lets see that
<camerongray> Do you have a free account to test that claim with?
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<Aciebel2> I believe indianajoe had one
<camerongray> So, before DriverAgent I get 8ms ping, 69.91mbps down and 9.88mbps up
<guitar_man> and i have not seen the 10% bit , must have a look , but forinstance an older driver could cause a bottle neck that slows the ability to say d/l , correcting that potentially could open the path to the ability to d/l faster
<camerongray> That's useful since it clearly shows the laptop cannot reach my full connection speed which is 100mbps
<camerongray> So lets see if DriverAgent can fix that!
<Aciebel2> I'm a believer
<camerongray> lol
<guest_59> Hello, I have a problem with my old pc(amd 1200mhz processor 900mb ram(year 2000)) we installed windows xp on it 2 years ago and now I went on it and it had constant problem and programs shutting down. I want to install mubuntu on it but i'm afraid the errors came from hardware is there a way to check my hardware?
<guest_59> Like maybe my harddrive is broken or idk
<guitar_man> you ever replaced the bios battery on the laptop guest_50?
<guitar_man> ooops guest_59
<guest_59> it's not a laptop it's a desktop
<guitar_man> ok then you ever replaced it's bios battery?
<guest_59> I have not replaced anything but my RAM
<guest_59> other than my RAM*
<guitar_man> then I suggest first off replace that battery
<guitar_man> system and program crashes are often caused by the battery not maintaining bios
<guest_59> ok I'll try that, just open my pc and replace the battery from my motherboard right?(i'm not a pro at this)
<guitar_man> shut down , unplug mains , press main power button to drain excess current , replace battery , power on ,boot to bios , reset date etc ,
<guest_59> ah ok, thank
<guest_59> thanks*
<guitar_man> welcomed
<lostcoast> not one mention of an actual error code or anything
<camerongray> So first thing I notice with DriverAgent, it's given me some Dell branded drivers
<guitar_man> it should offer two d/l options
<camerongray> Doesn't seem to
<guitar_man> manu's and DA's
<guitar_man>  DA's tend to be suites as opposed to just the driver
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<camerongray> This is an HP/Compaq machine though
<camerongray> Not a big deal, drivers are the same, but still
<guest_30> Hi everyone. My PC won't detect my DVD-RW drive.
<guitar_man> some drivers are commopn across machine breeds
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<camerongray> Wow this machine is slow :P
<camerongray> guitar_man would love it, Vista Business :P
<LogicGuy> guest_30, it appears your F.C. is acting up.
<LogicGuy> Camerongray, I'm on vista as well. :l
<guitar_man> guest_30 it does not show in device manager?
<guitar_man> nah never liked Vista full stop
<LogicGuy> I like it
<camerongray> Oh, I don't use Vista normally :P - Just using my old "testing" laptop to prove a point
<LogicGuy> It's way better than a mac.
<guest_30> No. The connection from my DVD drive was a PATA cable into the IDE or PCI slot. I only have one of them so I used a connector to change it to a SATA connection.
<camerongray> I normally use 7/8 for Windows but I'm mostly on Linux
<LogicGuy> Brb, gonna take a bathroom break.
<guest_30> needed to free up that slot for a PATA drive I had.
<camerongray> Vista isn't as bad as people make out, but it is very resource hungry
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<camerongray> This machine would be more suited for XP, but it's licenced for Vista and I can't be bothered using the downgrade rights for something used so rarely
<camerongray> Going to put my spare 7 copy on it after this though
<LogicGuy> Guest_30, your F.C. is acting up, look it up. I'm not sure about the technical terms too well.
<guest_54> any 1 knows,  am trying to disable my laptop touchpad/mouse  whatever I do it will never give me the option ' disable'  only uninstal bla bla bla
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<LogicGuy> Guest_54, plug in a external mouse.
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<lostcoast> some laptops have a F key to toggle it
<LogicGuy> It's alt+f4
<camerongray> LogicGuy: Please do not muck about
<guest_54> I did and thats my whole point, my touchpad is broken n I wanted to use  usb mouse
<LogicGuy> I'm being serious, are you not?
<camerongray> LogicGuy: Trolls are not welcome here
<LogicGuy> I'm pretty sure there is a command to disable the mouse.
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<LogicGuy> What up yall
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<TheIT> Hey guys
<camerongray> TheIT: Hey LogicGuy
<guest_54> LogicGuy:  yes I have been reading google and no result
<TheIT> I was saying flux capacitator lol I'm kidding
<camerongray> TheIT: Please don't 'kid' as it confuses people
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<camerongray> So guitar_man/IndianaJoe - I ran the speed test before, installed all the DriverAgent upates, now lets see if it's "10% faster"
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<guest_10> Hi guys
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<guest_10> My PC is acting up.
<camerongray> guest_10: We know it's you, please cool it with the joins/quits/trolling
<guest_10> ???
<HD8> guest_10:  you have been warned
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<camerongray> Same hostmask in them all!  We aren't blind
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<guest_10> I'm here to ask your opinon: Should I keep my Vostro 1510 Dell Laptop, or upgrade to a desktop?
<guest_10> I'm serious right now
<guest_19> Are you happy with the laptop?
<guest_10> Sorry about the trolling.
<guest_10> Yeah
<camerongray> Well, you've lost your credibility!
<guest_10> Had it for about 4 years
<guest_19> Why would you consider an upgrade if you're happy with it?
<guest_10> Running it on vista, but it's been giving me troubles
<guest_19> Well, I think computers generally have a life of 4-5 years.
<guest_10> My files like say "notepad.exe is corrupted, run chkdsk utility"
<guest_19> Personally, in my experience, desktops have always been far more reliable than laptops I've owned.
<guest_10> I do, but it doesnt run the chkdsk
<guest_10> And my files work fine
<guest_10> It's a bit wonky
<guest_19> Question--if I have to purchase a new motherboard, do I need a new install of windows?
<camerongray> guitar_man/IndianaJoe: So, drumroll... Is it 10% faster? Before - Ping: 8ms,  69.91mbps down and 9.88mbps up - After Ping: 7ms, 66.72mbps down and 9.87mbps up... So... DriverAgent making fake claims then?
<guest_19> Nope.
<camerongray> Also note this connection gets around 103mbps down on a better machine so the machine isn't even maxing out my cable connection before or after the scan!