PART #1


18:51  <Dynamo>	yo Konar6
18:51  <Dynamo>	18:50  <Yakubovich>	couple of days ago I created the server of a clan of BOMF (yes, that clan which made a bad feeling), I not one of my clanmates which sent spam on servers, I simply wanted to make the servers, it is simple to play on them. but so it turned out that my servers were banned on the master the server. as I understood, because of the name, as nobody loves our clan, and I perfectly understand because of what. whether there can be my servers unbaned if I replac
18:54  <K6|AFK>	That's Avenger's matter
18:54  <Dynamo>	18:54  <Yakubovich>	I am not going to cause anything bad, I only want to have the web of servers in zandronum... I very much ask to understand me and to help me...
18:54  <Dynamo>	I'll tell him when he shows up then
18:54  <Dynamo>	I saw you guys discussing it a while ago
18:55  <K6|AFK>	He was in #staff yesterday and Metal told him to f off
18:55  <Dynamo>	ah
19:00  <K6|AFK>	But isn't he annoying all admins now?
19:00  <K6|AFK>	He PMS me, you too apparently
19:01  <K6|AFK>	That's not the most wise thing to do, fishing for the one admin who unbans him when not successful in #staff
19:02  <Dynamo>	I dunno, he seemed pretty honest
19:02  <Dynamo>	19:00  <Yakubovich>	but urine in the head of my clanmates in time killed everything
19:06  <Qent>	[09:13]	Myti	'i think i can host it on my Ukrainian server, some days later. it's will be 24/7'
19:06  <Qent>	[09:13]	Myti	Two servers better than one?
19:06  <Qent>	[09:14]	Myti	offer from <Yakubovich>
19:06  <Qent>	a shot at redemption???
19:31  <Metal>	hm
19:33  <Metal>	Honest is not going to every admin looking for an unban when you were told no by the head admin.
19:33  <Metal>	I consider that very disrespectful.
19:37  <Dynamo>	I doubt he even understands
19:37  <Dynamo>	his english doesn't seem to be the best
19:38  <Dynamo>	then again dunno
19:38  <Dynamo>	I'd recommend looking for evidence of him being a repeated offender like the rest of his clan, but if he isn't, I don't see why he should be banned
19:40  <Metal>	his english is good enough to know
19:41  <Metal>	and if you think he's being legit, being from that clan, you're naive.
19:41  <Ruin>	Hey, Metal.  If you happen to get an invite for a <PRO> group on steam...don't accept the invite.  The shogun who was booted from pro/banned for aimbotting is running it.  Not sure if anyone told you yet.
19:41  <Metal>	mmk
19:42  <Metal>	Also, Dynamo, if you got informed, he isn't allowed to host
19:42  <Metal>	He isn't masterbanned.
19:42  <Metal>	He's on the blocklist for hosting innappropriate server names.
19:42  <Dynamo>	ah
19:42  <Dynamo>	that explains it then
19:46  <Dynamo>	is there a date set for his unban
19:46  <Metal>	nope
19:47  <Metal>	for people who host shit server names it can be from 6 months to a year
19:49  <Dynamo>	wow
19:49  <Dynamo>	what exactly did he write anyway
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19:49  Mode change [+o HeavenWraith] on #stmods by Igor
19:49  <Metal>	n word, curse words and insults.
19:51  <Dynamo>	I see
19:56  <Dynamo>	he's saying he didn't do such a thing
19:56  <Dynamo>	http://pastebin.com/ht2yCX7D
19:56  <LinkBot>	19:52 <Dynamo> you created servers with curse words, "nigger" and insults appar - Pastebin.com
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20:06  <Dynamo>	20:05  <Yakubovich>	http://pastebin.com/2A7YtvXC
20:06  <LinkBot>	names - Pastebin.com
20:06  <Dynamo>	directly from his config-files
20:08  <TheToxicAvenger>	 I swear I blocked the BoMF servers
20:08  <Metal>	if he didn't do that, then why would we have his name on the blocklist with "offensive server names"
20:08  <Metal>	?
20:08  <Metal>	So yeah, he did.
20:09  <Dynamo>	do you have screenshots of him doing that
20:09  <Dynamo>	it might have been a mistake, I dunno
20:09  <Metal>	No, I don't.
20:09  <Dynamo>	..heh
20:09  <Dynamo>	TheToxicAvenger you just blocked them all right, regardless of server owner
20:09  <Dynamo>	well I'm not sure but
20:09  <TheToxicAvenger>	I blocked them because a majority of BoMF, at least, is masterbanned
20:09  <Dynamo>	I remember you and konar talking about it
20:10  <Dynamo>	oh
20:10  <Dynamo>	well apparently there is one particular member that didn't do anything wrong (or at least not what he was accused of doing)
20:10  <Dynamo>	18:50  <Yakubovich>	couple of days ago I created the server of a clan of BOMF (yes, that clan which made a bad feeling), I not one of my clanmates which sent spam on servers, I simply wanted to make the servers, it is simple to play on them. but so it turned out that my servers were banned on the master the server. as I understood, because of the name, as nobody loves our clan, and I perfectly understand because of what. whether there can be my servers unbaned if I replac
20:10  <Dynamo>	18:54  <Yakubovich>	I am not going to cause anything bad, I only want to have the web of servers in zandronum... I very much ask to understand me and to help me...
20:10  <Dynamo>	name lists of his servers I posted right after you joined
20:10  <Dynamo>	I don't see any evidence of him doing what he was accused of doing so yeah
20:10  <TheToxicAvenger>	I would really really wish he wouldn't use the BoMF name on them
20:11  <Metal>	There's no evidence of anythign on the blocklist
20:11  <Dynamo>	so that was it? the bofm name?
20:11  <Metal>	you gonna sk about them too
20:11  <Metal>	?
20:11  <Metal>	ask?*
20:11  <Metal>	No
20:11  <Dynamo>	20:09  <Dynamo>	do you have screenshots of him doing that
20:11  <Dynamo>	20:09  <Metal>	No, I don't.
20:11  <TheToxicAvenger>	195.2.236.*:-=[BoMF] Clan servers; hosted by a masterbanned group <---- I'm going to undo this then
20:11  <Metal>	Someone had reported to me that the "BOMF" servers were using innappriate names that were harassing other users
20:11  <Dynamo>	20:11  <Dynamo>	so that was it? the bofm name?
20:11  <Dynamo>	20:11  <Metal>	No
20:11  <Metal>	in the server title
20:11  <Dynamo>	please make up your mind
20:12  <Dynamo>	ok this is getting a bit confusing, let me re-read
20:13  <Dynamo>	TheToxicAvenger you did the blocking for the servers right
20:13  <TheToxicAvenger>	Yeah
20:13  <Dynamo>	this includes Yakubovich right?
20:13  <TheToxicAvenger>	Are we SURE this guy is clean?
20:13  <Dynamo>	we are not
20:13  <TheToxicAvenger>	The blocklist entry I posted is all I blocked
20:13  <Dynamo>	but we have no evidence of him doing anything wrong
20:13  <TheToxicAvenger>	I did no blocking for inappropriate server names
20:13  <Dynamo>	at least not that I'm aware
20:13  <Metal>	Yeah, along with everyone else on the blocklist, there's no evidence, but for some reason you want to debunk this particular guy
20:13  <Dynamo>	huh
20:14  <Metal>	Who's obviously going from admin to admin to see if he can get a freebe
20:14  <Dynamo>	I had never even met this person before
20:14  <Metal>	Then why are you makign such a stink over it.
20:14  <Metal>	If you read
20:14  <Dynamo>	because I'm trying to gather evidence
20:14  <Metal>	@Metal> Someone had reported to me that the "BOMF" servers were using innappriate names that were harassing other users
20:14  <Dynamo>	well, did this "someone" have screenshots or evidence?
20:14  <Metal>	I never did anything about it then
20:14  <Metal>	Then infurnus banned the whole group
20:14  <Metal>	And TTA banned their servers.
20:15  <TheToxicAvenger>	195.2.236.*:-=[BoMF] Clan servers; hosted by a masterbanned group <-- so am I undoing this or not
20:15  <Metal>	<@Dynamo> well, did this "someone" have screenshots or evidence?
20:15  <Metal>	Yep, me. Looking at the server list and seeing it myself. I told the user I would ban the server later when I was able to gain master access (Couldn't at the time due to internet problems)
20:15  <Dynamo>	if we have evidence of this guy making servers with inappropriate titles
20:15  <Metal>	Forgot about it
20:15  <Dynamo>	oh
20:16  <Dynamo>	and it was his IP?
20:16  <TheToxicAvenger>	195.2.236.203
20:16  <Metal>	I remember the 195
20:16  <Metal>	Not the rest.
20:16  <TheToxicAvenger>	His IP matches the BoMF servers I blocked
20:17  <Dynamo>	might have been someone else
20:17  <Dynamo>	that's why one takes screenshots
20:17  <TheToxicAvenger>	Nothing else on the blocklist is in a 195.*.*.* range
20:17  <TheToxicAvenger>	(I didn't block THAT big of a range)
20:18  <Metal>	Yes SIR dynamo
20:18  <Metal>	Will remember next time SIR!
20:18  * Metal rolls eyes
20:18  <Dynamo>	rofl
20:19  <Dynamo>	fine, keep judging stuff based on "I saw this" and no actual evidence
20:19  <Dynamo>	not that I don't trust what you saw
20:19  <Metal>	So you're calling me a liar
20:19  <Dynamo>	but it's pretty easy to make mistakes or forget stuff
20:19  <Dynamo>	no I'm not, as I just finished saying.
20:19  <Dynamo>	why are you putting words in my mouth
20:21  <Metal>	Don't have to, you're questioning everything about this server ban like it's some sort of huge deal.
20:21  <Metal>	When it's obvious from the masterbans, that this clan has a well known trait of being trolls
20:21  <Dynamo>	an incorrent ban sounds like a huge deal to me, don't know about you
20:21  <Dynamo>	I'm not saying it's a clan of saints
20:21  <Dynamo>	I'm well aware they're dipshits
20:21  <Dynamo>	but this guy in particular seemed to do nothing wrong whatsoever
20:22  <Metal>	"seemed"
20:22  <Metal>	Got any evidence of that?
20:22  <Dynamo>	no, but there is no evidence of the opposite either.
20:22  <TheToxicAvenger>	We have nothing to go by
20:22  <Dynamo>	^
20:22  <Metal>	Then unban. I don't care anymore.
20:23  <TheToxicAvenger>	I only blocked because they were servers for the BoMF clan, which is mostly if not fully master'd
20:23  <Dynamo>	yeah apparently they all are except this one guy
20:23  <Dynamo>	unban him I guess then
20:23  <Dynamo>	his servers*
20:31  <TheToxicAvenger>	done
20:32  <Dynamo>	good
20:32  <TheToxicAvenger>	Of course he leaves the network when I do it (I had to do shit before I came back)
20:32  <Dynamo>	now if that he has his own servers he won't play mxu wads :(
20:32  <Dynamo>	which means one less player for me
20:32  <Dynamo>	well he timed out, I'll get back to him when he shows up again
20:32  <Dynamo>	if I remember that is




PART #2




01:03 <Dynamo> heh, sorry to bother you again but
01:03 <Dynamo> 00:56  <Metal> I want a log
01:03 <Dynamo> however
01:03 <Dynamo> 01:03  <Metal> I just want the "I will kill you" parts
01:07 <Watermelon> she told me to kill myself
01:07 <Watermelon> if that counts
01:07 <Dynamo> yes but do you have the log of that
01:07 <Watermelon> yeah
01:08 <Dynamo> just omit the parts where she talks about your personal life
01:08 <Dynamo> just the threats will be enough
01:08 <Dynamo> maybe we can get her masterbanned
01:32 <Watermelon> sweet i have that
01:34 <Watermelon> ok ill look at them very soon
01:34 <Watermelon> brb food
01:34 <Watermelon> 5 mins
01:34 <Dynamo> alright
01:43 <Watermelon> back
01:43 <Watermelon> ok time to go log hunting
01:46 <Watermelon> ok
01:46 <Watermelon> i got it
01:46 <Watermelon> what do i do now
01:47 <Dynamo> pastebin all you got to me
01:47 <Watermelon> i just cut out some (but not all) parts as you will see
01:48 <Watermelon> http://pastebin.com/5er7ED7i
01:48 <Watermelon> also lilith claims to have connections to the person who owns pastebin
01:48 <Watermelon> so if it gets taken down i do have backups
01:48 <Watermelon> but my last paste got taken down somehow
01:48 <Watermelon> and i wonder why/how
01:48 <Watermelon> but i wont be fooled again
01:48 <Watermelon> but, is that enough?
01:48 <Dynamo> yeah those are threats allright


02:51 <Watermelon> damn it seems like lilith isnt going to get mastered because the stuff i said in between was calling her out on stuff
02:51 <Watermelon> like i engaged with her on what hse said
02:51 <Watermelon> ex:
02:52 <Watermelon> 20:57:03  <GreenHell|Busy>      im not the only one
02:52 <Watermelon> 20:57:10  <GreenHell|Busy>      i can name about 16 peopel who think so
02:52 <Watermelon> 20:57:15  <Water>       alright lets list them
02:52 <Watermelon> 20:57:19  <GreenHell|Busy>      whatever
02:52 <Watermelon> 20:57:19  <GreenHell|Busy>      like i daid
02:52 <Watermelon> 20:57:25  <GreenHell|Busy>      this community is dying.
02:52 <Watermelon> 20:57:26  <Water>       you dont have 16 people
02:52 <Watermelon> 20:57:28  <Water>       caught and busted
02:52 <Dynamo> .........................wait
02:53 <Dynamo> I don't get it
02:53 <Watermelon> basically because i engaged with her
02:53 <Watermelon> and i didnt sit back and leave it alone
02:53 <Dynamo> metal refused to masterban her because you proved her accusations were false?
02:53 <Watermelon> its null and void
02:53 <Dynamo> holy shit
02:53 <Dynamo> :|
02:53 <Dynamo> damn
02:53 <Dynamo> well
02:53 <Dynamo> 23:30  <Watermelon> i know metal is pissed as hell with lilith
02:53 <Dynamo> 23:30  <Dynamo> I know she was
02:53 <Dynamo> 23:30  <Dynamo> but judging her recent posts on that thread
02:53 <Dynamo> 23:30  <Dynamo> I'm not so sure anymore!
02:53 <Dynamo> looks like I was right in the end
02:54 <Dynamo> but unfortunately there's nothing I can do
02:54 <Watermelon> figures
02:54 <Watermelon> damn
02:54 <Watermelon> like i caught her in so many lies
02:55 <Dynamo> I was almost sure this was a certain masterban
02:55 <Watermelon> the worst thing i did is at one point said i was the best (as a joke)
02:55 <Watermelon> which technically would probably enrage her
02:56 <Watermelon> though i guess lilith is allowed to get away with death threats if the other person retaliates
02:56 <Watermelon> sitting there taking shit is not fun at all
02:56 <Dynamo> well now I hope you understand why I don't like the admin team at all
02:57 <Watermelon> i think she knows if she bans lilith the entire TS will go after metal
02:58 <Dynamo> she's scared
02:58 <Watermelon> which means she will lose her playing ability since htey'll just ban her
02:58 <Dynamo> pitfiful
02:58 <Watermelon> i dont blame her
02:58 <Dynamo> she's the lead admin
02:58 <Watermelon> mainly cause they have the power to really remove her from enjoying the port
02:58 <Dynamo> well they'll ban her because she let these people run that in the first place
02:58 <Dynamo> she basically put them in control
02:58 <Dynamo> something I would not have done
02:58 <Dynamo> to be fair I don't think anybody else would've done it
02:58 <Dynamo> probably even capo would know better




So, what does this go to show?

1) Different punishments for different people
- Lilith issued death threats, disrupted games, caused flamewars and whatnot, and was never banned
- The BomF guy ALLEGEDLY hosted servers containing the word "nigger" (it wasn't true, it was just speculation) and the punishment was ban from six months to ONE YEAR.

2) 19:41  <Metal>	and if you think he's being legit, being from that clan, you're naive.

aren't metal and spak always the ones saying "just because one of us did bad things, doesn't mean all of us are bad"? but it's okay if she generalizes and accuses people of something merely because they belong to a clan.

3) 20:08  <Metal>	if he didn't do that, then why would we have his name on the blocklist with "offensive server names"
20:08  <Metal>	?
20:08  <Metal>	So yeah, he did.

Brilliant competence.

And a ton of other stuff I can't be bothered pointing out, but you can see for yourself.