(5:39:27 AM) HARAT Amheril: In R-B it is not as easy to get it to 7BX, our main porcket?
(5:39:48 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: no, R-BG will, if given a refinery, have a max refienry and be linked by JB to ZUE
(5:39:54 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: our only station worth makingf uel blocks in
(5:40:09 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: our main pocket isn't where you want the ice if you're trying to make isk off of it
(5:40:10 AM) HARAT Amheril: In R-B there will be virtually no competition on buy orders because noone can jump ships out. Only the "good" is willing to risk bringing it out
(5:40:22 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: what?!?!
(5:40:29 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: R-BG is the ideal place to have the ice
(5:40:34 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: how are you not getting this?
(5:40:45 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: our main pocket is completely worthless right now beyond selling topes to cap pilots
(5:41:02 AM) HARAT Amheril: R-B is ideal yes
(5:41:05 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: I sold 20m topes in 7BX a few days ago and we're having to arrange fucking bridged freighters to get it out to ZUE
(5:41:09 AM) HARAT Amheril: and so is a cyno jammer in R-B
(5:41:13 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: cause 7BX is so worthless
(5:41:14 AM) HARAT Amheril: so that people cant jump ships in
(5:41:22 AM) HARAT Amheril: and thus not jump uot
(5:41:23 AM) HARAT Amheril: out
(5:41:26 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: this is such a colossal clusterfuck of stupidity
(5:41:34 AM) HARAT Amheril: no, its smart
(5:41:59 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: you're trying to force people to mine for the alliance by making their ice worthless so they have to sell by giving them manufacturing, ice and refinery all in the same system
(5:42:21 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: I don't think you know what any of the words you're using mean
(5:42:34 AM) HARAT Amheril: how am I unclear?
(5:42:44 AM) HARAT Amheril: about the intentions?
(5:43:07 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: okay
(5:43:23 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: so you want to force the people in R-BG to sell the ice to the alliance, right?
(5:43:36 AM) HARAT Amheril: yes, at fair prices
(5:43:40 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: and you want to do this by giving them nothing else to do with the ice while putting up buy orders, right?
(5:43:48 AM) HARAT Amheril: correct
(5:44:14 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: and your plan for making this happen is by giving them a maxed refinery and access to the perfect fuel block manufacturing in the same place which is also where you're giving them no choice but to sell to the alliance, right?
(5:45:05 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: the one issue with ice in R-BG at the moment is you have to rorq jump it back and forth to 7BX before you can use it
(5:45:15 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: which you're now fixing
(5:45:19 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: to force people to not use it
(5:45:44 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: hence
(5:41:26 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: this is such a colossal clusterfuck of stupidity
(5:46:05 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: the plan literally does the exact opposite of the desired result
(5:47:10 AM) HARAT Amheril: elaborate on how the plan does the exact opposite of the desired result?
(5:47:48 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: well, if you give people all the things they need to use the ice themselves all in the same place then in what way does that force them to not use the ice?
(5:48:44 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: in fact, in what way does that  not fix the current problem of being unable to use the R-BG ice without an awful lot of logistics effort?
(5:49:55 AM) HARAT Amheril: Im not following you ont this Kwark, if the alliance controls the jammer, why is this a problem when the ice needs to be distributed to keep our R64s going?
(5:50:03 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: okay
(5:50:12 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: you want to force people to sell their ice in R-BG, right?
(5:50:31 AM) HARAT Amheril: To a point yes, we will cycle the jammer for corps aswell
(5:50:42 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: and the way you plan to force people to do this is by giving them a maxed refinery in R-BG and easy access to where they make the fuel blocks, right?
(5:51:03 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: I guess the problem I'm trying to explain here is that those things actually make it easier for them to use the ice and not sell it
(5:51:05 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: rather than harder
(5:51:15 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: because those are the things you would need in order to use your ice
(5:51:42 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: so if you give people those things then it doesn't make them more likely to sell their ice
(5:51:47 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: it makes them more likely to refine their ice
(5:53:39 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: if your plan is to put up buy orders to get them to sell the ice to you then this plan is not helped investing 40b in giving them better things to do with their ice than sell it to you
(5:53:49 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: in many ways someone could argue that this is such a colossal clusterfuck of stupidity
(5:54:20 AM) kwark_uk@jabber.fatal-ascension.com/61b10faa: am I explaining this badly?
(5:56:39 AM) HARAT Amheril: I still don't understand the issue. We want corps to be able to refine and produce at low cost because that is community development. At the same time we want to make sure the alliance get more ice locally at fair prices to keep our R64s going. Upgrading key stations will generate more mined ice. More mined ice will increase availibility. In R-B we will not have a Jump Bridge and we will install a cyno jammer. Additionally we will purchase Ice at fair prices as we can cycle the jammer to get the ice out ourselves. its a win win. In regards to the investment, its been made and the descisions for regional development was made a long time ago. The more incentive for making ISK that is availible to the community, the more will take advantage. I cant grasp why this is hard to understand?