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  1. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 6 15:46:20 2011
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  3. Mar 06 15:46:20 * Now talking on #prizm
  4. Mar 06 15:46:51 * Souvik (~Souvik@adsl-99-129-155-245.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #prizm
  5. Mar 06 15:46:54 * grphmstur (~grphmstur@c-68-47-137-122.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) has joined #prizm
  6. Mar 06 15:46:58 * Banana (~Joel@ash.fagotten.org) has joined #prizm
  7. Mar 06 15:47:00 <Pearfish> Hey everyone.
  8. Mar 06 15:47:03 <Souvik> hi
  9. Mar 06 15:47:03 <Banana> Hi
  10. Mar 06 15:47:05 <alberthro> hi
  11. Mar 06 15:47:05 <grphmstur> hi
  12. Mar 06 15:47:10 <grphmstur> !op
  13. Mar 06 15:47:12 <alberthro> 4 his :D
  14. Mar 06 15:47:13 <grphmstur> no bots
  15. Mar 06 15:47:16 * KermM_ (~KermM@cpe-74-68-127-73.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #prizm
  16. Mar 06 15:47:19 * Pearfish is now known as Fishbot
  17. Mar 06 15:47:20 <grphmstur> okay, so discussion?
  18. Mar 06 15:47:22 <KermM_> Hi cool peeps
  19. Mar 06 15:47:23 * Banana is now known as JosJuice
  20. Mar 06 15:47:29 <Fishbot> Yeah, about the Prizm/CX thing.
  21. Mar 06 15:47:32 <grphmstur> mmk.
  22. Mar 06 15:47:39 <grphmstur> I'm working on your temp assembler btw Fishbot
  23. Mar 06 15:47:45 <Fishbot> Thanks.
  24. Mar 06 15:47:52 <Fishbot> Let's face it, though.
  25. Mar 06 15:48:00 * Netham45 (~Netham@c-71-229-210-193.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #prizm
  26. Mar 06 15:48:04 <Fishbot> While TI should be more supportive of the community, they aren't.
  27. Mar 06 15:48:08 * Melisma (~Melisma@dev15.ee.cooper.edu) has joined #prizm
  28. Mar 06 15:48:15 <JosJuice> Melisma? D:
  29. Mar 06 15:48:17 <KermM_> Fishbot, agreed
  30. Mar 06 15:48:17 <grphmstur> bot
  31. Mar 06 15:48:22 <Fishbot> But Casio also isn't going to get the widespread distribution of TI.
  32. Mar 06 15:48:22 * Merth (~Shaun@c-24-34-13-226.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #prizm
  33. Mar 06 15:48:23 * MrAtom (ircuser@206.217.137.169) has joined #prizm
  34. Mar 06 15:48:25 <grphmstur> Fishbot, agreed
  35. Mar 06 15:48:31 <grphmstur> this is true KermM_
  36. Mar 06 15:48:33 <alberthro> We need serious promotion.
  37. Mar 06 15:48:40 <grphmstur> okay, this isn't a bot place alberthro
  38. Mar 06 15:48:43 <grphmstur> #thebot is.
  39. Mar 06 15:48:45 <Fishbot> Even that won't be enough.
  40. Mar 06 15:48:47 <alberthro> Melisma is a bot :P
  41. Mar 06 15:48:57 <grphmstur> I know, but we don't need MrAtom
  42. Mar 06 15:48:57 <KermM_> Melisma is a channel reservation bot :P
  43. Mar 06 15:49:01 <Fishbot> I think we need interoperability.
  44. Mar 06 15:49:05 <grphmstur> I see KermM_
  45. Mar 06 15:49:10 * Juju (Sonikku@saphira.julosoft.net) has joined #prizm
  46. Mar 06 15:49:10 <alberthro> KermM_: mine is too :P
  47. Mar 06 15:49:14 <KermM_> Fishbot, therefore, we need to tell TI we're pissed, and teachers that TI is failing us
  48. Mar 06 15:49:16 <grphmstur> well, fishbot's the only one opped here, so Fishbot, op Melisma
  49. Mar 06 15:49:23 <grphmstur> agreed KermM_
  50. Mar 06 15:49:24 <alberthro> ...and MrAtom :P
  51. Mar 06 15:49:26 <Fishbot> !op Melisma
  52. Mar 06 15:49:26 <Juju> lol
  53. Mar 06 15:49:34 <Fishbot> Can't :p
  54. Mar 06 15:49:35 <JosJuice> no, Fishbot :P
  55. Mar 06 15:49:37 <grphmstur> but for the most part, TI has no interest in us.
  56. Mar 06 15:49:38 <KermM_> Fishbot, you can't !op when you're the only op :P
  57. Mar 06 15:49:39 <Netham45> Fishbot, you have to do /mode #prizm +o Melisma
  58. Mar 06 15:49:43 <Souvik> do /op
  59. Mar 06 15:49:47 <alberthro> Anyway, we have to define our focus.
  60. Mar 06 15:49:49 * Fishbot gives channel operator status to Melisma
  61. Mar 06 15:49:54 * Melisma sets mode +s #prizm
  62. Mar 06 15:49:54 <KermM_> thanks Fishbot
  63. Mar 06 15:49:59 * Fishbot gives channel operator status to MrAtom
  64. Mar 06 15:50:01 <grphmstur> wait, does Melisma always secret rooms?
  65. Mar 06 15:50:03 <grphmstur> !op
  66. Mar 06 15:50:09 <Netham45> It's a good idea to secret them
  67. Mar 06 15:50:13 <Netham45> efnet gets alot of spambots
  68. Mar 06 15:50:19 <grphmstur> hey, alberthro, what's the command?
  69. Mar 06 15:50:25 <Juju> some people would randomly join then spam
  70. Mar 06 15:50:26 <grphmstur> $op
  71. Mar 06 15:50:28 <grphmstur> nope.
  72. Mar 06 15:50:28 <alberthro> question mark and the op
  73. Mar 06 15:50:32 <Netham45> ?op
  74. Mar 06 15:50:33 <alberthro> *then
  75. Mar 06 15:50:34 <Souvik> ?op
  76. Mar 06 15:50:35 <Netham45> :(
  77. Mar 06 15:50:35 <grphmstur> ?op
  78. Mar 06 15:50:35 * SirCmpwn (480dc3e2@72.13.195.226) has left #prizm
  79. Mar 06 15:50:36 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to grphmstur
  80. Mar 06 15:50:38 <grphmstur> there we go
  81. Mar 06 15:50:40 <grphmstur> okay, anyway
  82. Mar 06 15:50:47 <alberthro> lol :)
  83. Mar 06 15:50:49 <Fishbot> Back on topic...
  84. Mar 06 15:50:51 <KermM_> I set -secret on this chan
  85. Mar 06 15:50:55 <alberthro> I'm worried about too many ops :P
  86. Mar 06 15:51:02 <grphmstur> that's fine, anyway.
  87. Mar 06 15:51:17 <alberthro> Anyway, it's not just teachers. We're also trying to promote it to students... and the hardest, to parents. To retailers. To everyone.
  88. Mar 06 15:51:20 <Fishbot> So, what can we do to change the Prizm CX situation?
  89. Mar 06 15:51:22 <grphmstur> back on topic, the only way that TI will care is if we reduce their market share by not buying their calcs.
  90. Mar 06 15:51:31 <grphmstur> this is true alberthro.
  91. Mar 06 15:51:35 <KermM_> Fishbot, three things:
  92. Mar 06 15:51:40 <alberthro> I just visited Staples today, and the only calcs I saw were the TI made ones. No PRIZM to be found at all.
  93. Mar 06 15:51:43 <KermM_> 1) Tell TI that we're pissed. I'm working on that
  94. Mar 06 15:51:46 <Netham45> Teachers love TI
  95. Mar 06 15:51:59 <KermM_> 2) Tell teachers that TI is not looking out for everyone. We need more ideas on this
  96. Mar 06 15:51:59 <Netham45> 'cause they give them instructions, sample calcs, push-to-test, etc...
  97. Mar 06 15:52:09 <Souvik> But, the developing community is insignificant compared to all the students and teachers that buy TI products
  98. Mar 06 15:52:18 <grphmstur> this is true.
  99. Mar 06 15:52:18 <KermM_> 3) Write a TI emulator for the PRizm
  100. Mar 06 15:52:22 <KermM_> Prizm*
  101. Mar 06 15:52:26 <alberthro> Souvik: that's one of the points I was going to make in that thread :)
  102. Mar 06 15:52:29 <Souvik> z80man is working on one, right?
  103. Mar 06 15:52:39 <Fishbot> Or write teacher software for the Prizm, which has the price advantage over the Nspire.
  104. Mar 06 15:52:42 <JosJuice> I thought z80man is making a Prizm emu for the PC?
  105. Mar 06 15:52:43 <alberthro> One of the things is this - you'd be having to give these guys away like MAD.
  106. Mar 06 15:52:58 <grphmstur> in fact, right now, the only reason TI has a monopoly is their production size. They can create huge amounts of calcs, and everyone uses them. Plus, they're "cheap". Cheap pieces of....
  107. Mar 06 15:53:01 <alberthro> There's ZERO of these guys in my area.
  108. Mar 06 15:53:03 <Fishbot> z80man is doing both, Josjuice.
  109. Mar 06 15:53:11 <alberthro> Also, as grphmastur has mentioned, price.
  110. Mar 06 15:53:13 <KermM_> You guys should be sure to copy some of these opinions into the thread on Cemetech, btw
  111. Mar 06 15:53:14 <JosJuice> Oh okay, that's nice
  112. Mar 06 15:53:30 <grphmstur> any bot's log in here?
  113. Mar 06 15:53:43 <grphmstur> I can get mine going and start logging.
  114. Mar 06 15:53:54 <Fishbot> Okay.
  115. Mar 06 15:53:56 <KermM_> let's chill with the bots :P
  116. Mar 06 15:53:58 <alberthro> $122.37 for PRIZM, $99.89 for a regular TI-83+.
  117. Mar 06 15:54:04 <alberthro> (Amazon)
  118. Mar 06 15:54:07 <grphmstur> well, I still have the records, so whatever.
  119. Mar 06 15:54:09 <KermM_> $143 for the CX
  120. Mar 06 15:54:21 <alberthro> XChat keeps records :P
  121. Mar 06 15:54:30 <grphmstur> and let's factor the uber-calc in here too.
  122. Mar 06 15:54:32 <Fishbot> When you're buying several hundred, those extra few dollars add up.
  123. Mar 06 15:54:38 <KermM_> the what?
  124. Mar 06 15:54:38 <Fishbot> Okay, $150
  125. Mar 06 15:54:41 <grphmstur> It's price for standerd is around $150
  126. Mar 06 15:54:42 <alberthro> CX is nothing you should look at - you're against the TI-83+ here.
  127. Mar 06 15:54:44 <grphmstur> *standard
  128. Mar 06 15:54:57 <KermM_> alberthro, I totally disagree
  129. Mar 06 15:55:01 <KermM_> It's CX vs Prizm
  130. Mar 06 15:55:06 <grphmstur> this is true. But see, you have a color screen and a "great trustworthy" brand.
  131. Mar 06 15:55:08 <KermM_> the TI-83+ is not relevant in this discussion
  132. Mar 06 15:55:16 <Fishbot> Alberthro, we're trying to steal the CX's market, not the 83+'s
  133. Mar 06 15:55:18 <grphmstur> Most teachers don't care about programming and other stuff.
  134. Mar 06 15:55:23 <alberthro> Ahh, but parents are going to buy lowest stuff (the bare minimum), and so how are you going to overrun the market?
  135. Mar 06 15:55:27 <grphmstur> we have to show it's not in their bets interests.
  136. Mar 06 15:55:29 <Netham45> the CX has no market, and likely won't.
  137. Mar 06 15:55:38 <Netham45> the 83+ is the real competitor
  138. Mar 06 15:55:43 <Fishbot> We don't need to overrrun the 83+, only the CX.
  139. Mar 06 15:55:45 <alberthro> Netham45++
  140. Mar 06 15:55:46 <grphmstur> well, lower price more years, and better alberthro
  141. Mar 06 15:55:55 <grphmstur> no, only the CX atm.
  142. Mar 06 15:56:02 <grphmstur> because the TI-83 isn't a piece of. Yeah.
  143. Mar 06 15:56:09 <Netham45> You'll achieve nothing by overrunning the CX
  144. Mar 06 15:56:11 <alberthro> an insight from my school - CX is pretty interesting, but they've said that it's somewhat overkill.
  145. Mar 06 15:56:13 <Fishbot> The Prizm/CX and the 83+ series target different markets.
  146. Mar 06 15:56:40 <alberthro> ahh, but to gain a significant marketshare, you've gotta target a bit there. Basically, between the Nspire reg and the TI-83+.
  147. Mar 06 15:56:49 <alberthro> THAT's the sweet spot.
  148. Mar 06 15:56:53 <Fishbot> That's right.
  149. Mar 06 15:57:39 <Fishbot> But I think we need to target schools, not consumers.
  150. Mar 06 15:57:43 <alberthro> The point being is that it's going to take some time and some serious promotion to get PRIZM to there.
  151. Mar 06 15:57:48 <grphmstur> well, although I agree we need market share, or at least to remove some of TI's, the TI-83 is null here. It's going to be there either way.
  152. Mar 06 15:57:53 <grphmstur> this is true alberthro
  153. Mar 06 15:58:04 <grphmstur> and it's a predominately unknown calc.
  154. Mar 06 15:58:05 <alberthro> Schools is one thing. But without consumers, how does the PRIZM go anywhere?
  155. Mar 06 15:58:14 <alberthro> Remember: STAPLES does NOT have the PRIZM.
  156. Mar 06 15:58:18 <alberthro> Nor does Walmart.
  157. Mar 06 15:58:21 <Fishbot> If the schools buy, then students buy.
  158. Mar 06 15:58:28 <Fishbot> And yes, distribution is a problem.
  159. Mar 06 15:58:35 <grphmstur> well, think of it this way. At the beginning of the school year, your math teacher tells everyone to go out and buy a what....
  160. Mar 06 15:58:39 <alberthro> True. But you should target both, perhaps at the same time.
  161. Mar 06 15:58:43 <Fishbot> But stores stock what people ask for.
  162. Mar 06 15:58:54 <alberthro> Without it being there in the first place, there's no way to get it.
  163. Mar 06 15:59:16 <grphmstur> so our current problems are: 1) Production, 2) Costs, 3) Market, 4) monopoly.
  164. Mar 06 15:59:18 <alberthro> So I guess the consensus is targeting both school and consumers (students/parents) alike.
  165. Mar 06 15:59:36 <grphmstur> I include that 4th one as a pseudo topic as TI does kinda have a monopoly.
  166. Mar 06 15:59:42 <Fishbot> I think consumers will focus on Price.
  167. Mar 06 15:59:54 <grphmstur> and students will focus on what teachers tell them to get.
  168. Mar 06 15:59:56 <Fishbot> There's not much *we* can do about consumer preferences.
  169. Mar 06 16:00:05 <grphmstur> this is true.
  170. Mar 06 16:00:10 <Fishbot> The Prizm wins in cost.
  171. Mar 06 16:00:11 <alberthro> Advertising. That's the gray area here. ;)
  172. Mar 06 16:00:20 <grphmstur> however, we can reduce TI's market share.
  173. Mar 06 16:00:31 <grphmstur> alberthro: TI doesn't have to advertise. I've never seen a TI calc commercial
  174. Mar 06 16:00:36 <Fishbot> How do we target schools, though?
  175. Mar 06 16:00:41 <alberthro> I would suggest around $100-110 for PRIZM.
  176. Mar 06 16:00:46 <Fishbot> With school oriented software, of course.
  177. Mar 06 16:00:57 <alberthro> grphmstur: well... they do that with some bribing of the teachers :P
  178. Mar 06 16:01:16 <Fishbot> I think we need Casio's support on this.
  179. Mar 06 16:01:23 <grphmstur> alberthro: not bribing at all. Maybe a little with the union here and there.
  180. Mar 06 16:01:29 <Fishbot> And their willingness to work with us.
  181. Mar 06 16:01:30 <alberthro> If you really want to bring TI down, you'd also want to ask the book companies to start stripping TI screenshots off :P
  182. Mar 06 16:01:31 <grphmstur> But not in many schools that still use it.
  183. Mar 06 16:01:33 <JosJuice> Fishbot: Do you really think that's possible?
  184. Mar 06 16:01:48 <alberthro> Because every book has a guide on using it. Even my agenda book does.
  185. Mar 06 16:02:00 <Fishbot> I think we can get Casio's support.
  186. Mar 06 16:02:03 <Fishbot> Possibly.
  187. Mar 06 16:02:04 <grphmstur> Fishbot: possible, but unlikely. However, if it's not "us" but cemetech, omnimaga, and ticalc....
  188. Mar 06 16:02:19 <Fishbot> I wouldn't count TIcalc.
  189. Mar 06 16:02:20 <JosJuice> ticalc is ticalc, not casiocalc :P
  190. Mar 06 16:02:26 <grphmstur> this is true.
  191. Mar 06 16:02:34 <grphmstur> we could ask nikky....
  192. Mar 06 16:02:37 <alberthro> lol :P
  193. Mar 06 16:02:45 <Fishbot> Suuuuurrrreee...
  194. Mar 06 16:03:25 <JosJuice> What about casiocalc and casiokingdom? Might they be of any help?
  195. Mar 06 16:03:25 <Fishbot> The people at Casio can't be complete morons.
  196. Mar 06 16:03:31 <Fishbot> Not a chance.
  197. Mar 06 16:03:48 <Fishbot> We're basically offering to sell their calc for them.
  198. Mar 06 16:03:49 <grphmstur> why not Fishbot?
  199. Mar 06 16:03:57 <grphmstur> I see.
  200. Mar 06 16:04:02 <grphmstur> yeah, not good.
  201. Mar 06 16:04:08 <Fishbot> Think Nspire Google Group and you have the idea of the casio forums.
  202. Mar 06 16:04:15 <alberthro> lol :P
  203. Mar 06 16:04:29 <JosJuice> Yeah
  204. Mar 06 16:04:38 <grphmstur> so unless we reduce TI's market share, and get a suitable alternative, convince teachers to not use TI, we're screwed...
  205. Mar 06 16:04:38 <alberthro> ironically, I'm writing/designing code for a TI-8x emulator as we speak :P
  206. Mar 06 16:04:41 <grphmstur> this should be fun.
  207. Mar 06 16:04:50 <JosJuice> SimonLothar posted useful stuff on Casio Kingdom, but he's on Omni now so w/e
  208. Mar 06 16:05:22 <grphmstur> lol JosJuice
  209. Mar 06 16:05:32 <Fishbot> Andreas and martin are the last productive Casio coders not on omni.
  210. Mar 06 16:05:51 <JosJuice> Yeah
  211. Mar 06 16:06:05 <JosJuice> I haven't seen them post on other forums either, though
  212. Mar 06 16:06:22 <Fishbot> Martin's posted more on Omni than on Casiocalc :p
  213. Mar 06 16:06:58 <Fishbot> Andreas hasn't posted much, but he and SimonLothar are probably in contact.
  214. Mar 06 16:07:38 <grphmstur> okay, so so far, don't expect help from Casio, Teachers use TI, and we have no say.
  215. Mar 06 16:07:40 <KermM_> Anyway, I need to get back to work on my homework
  216. Mar 06 16:07:40 <grphmstur> awesome.
  217. Mar 06 16:07:44 <grphmstur> cya KermM_
  218. Mar 06 16:07:48 <Fishbot> Bye KermM_
  219. Mar 06 16:07:55 <Souvik> cya KermM_
  220. Mar 06 16:07:59 <Netham45> c-c-c-combo breaker
  221. Mar 06 16:08:03 <KermM_> I hope you guys will copy out the gist of your thoughts in the Cemetech CX/Prizm topic :)
  222. Mar 06 16:08:14 <Fishbot> graph, I think we need to get Casio behind us.
  223. Mar 06 16:08:18 <Fishbot> Sure Kerm.
  224. Mar 06 16:08:19 <JosJuice> I'm going to bed now. Be back tomorrow GMT
  225. Mar 06 16:08:21 * JosJuice (~Joel@ash.fagotten.org) has left #prizm
  226. Mar 06 16:08:24 <Fishbot> Night.
  227. Mar 06 16:08:49 <Fishbot> All of this is useless unless Casio takes some actions.
  228. Mar 06 16:09:05 * #prizm :You're not channel operator
  229. Mar 06 16:09:11 <grphmstur> Fishbot: agreed, but is it possible?
  230. Mar 06 16:09:25 <Fishbot> Possibly.
  231. Mar 06 16:09:35 <Fishbot> It's a long shot though.
  232. Mar 06 16:09:38 <alberthro> Pretty much what we're doing now (SDK, emulator creation, app making, etc.) is helping.
  233. Mar 06 16:09:44 <Fishbot> We need them to take us seriously.
  234. Mar 06 16:09:52 <grphmstur> okay, then prizmsuite
  235. Mar 06 16:09:57 <grphmstur> and I'm working on the compiler atm.
  236. Mar 06 16:10:00 <grphmstur> for the temp one.
  237. Mar 06 16:10:05 <alberthro> Show them our work, they'll think twice about giving up.
  238. Mar 06 16:10:15 <alberthro> s/giving up/not taking us seriously/
  239. Mar 06 16:10:27 <Fishbot> Prizmsuite and porting the classpad stuff to Prizm.
  240. Mar 06 16:10:40 <grphmstur> what if we broke the security tokens?
  241. Mar 06 16:10:41 <Fishbot> Er, HP Xpander stuff/
  242. Mar 06 16:10:50 <alberthro> security tokens?
  243. Mar 06 16:10:51 <Fishbot> which Security tokens?
  244. Mar 06 16:10:58 <Fishbot> *security bytes
  245. Mar 06 16:12:14 <alberthro> Fishbot: can I do something really quick? :)
  246. Mar 06 16:12:21 <Fishbot> Sure.
  247. Mar 06 16:12:24 <alberthro> ?op
  248. Mar 06 16:12:25 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to alberthro
  249. Mar 06 16:12:27 * alberthro has changed the topic to: #prizm | PRIZM discussion occurs here! :)
  250. Mar 06 16:12:33 <alberthro> ?deop
  251. Mar 06 16:12:34 * MrAtom removes channel operator status from alberthro
  252. Mar 06 16:12:39 <alberthro> I hate being op :P
  253. Mar 06 16:12:44 <Fishbot> It's a chan now?
  254. Mar 06 16:12:53 <alberthro> well, might as well be :)
  255. Mar 06 16:13:10 <alberthro> Most discussion will probably happen in #omnimaga tho
  256. Mar 06 16:13:16 <Fishbot> Yeah.
  257. Mar 06 16:13:23 <Fishbot> But it's good for meetings and stuff.
  258. Mar 06 16:14:15 <Fishbot> Thanks alberthro
  259. Mar 06 16:14:21 <alberthro> np :)
  260. Mar 06 16:14:39 <alberthro> (even tho I have no idea what I'm thanked for :P)
  261. Mar 06 16:14:47 <Fishbot> :p
  262. Mar 06 16:15:08 * qazz42 (~qazz42@ool-18ba56ae.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #prizm
  263. Mar 06 16:15:08 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to qazz42
  264. Mar 06 16:15:09 <Fishbot> How do I change the topic?
  265. Mar 06 16:15:13 <qazz42> ohai
  266. Mar 06 16:15:18 <grphmstur> "/topic"
  267. Mar 06 16:15:18 <Fishbot> Hi
  268. Mar 06 16:15:25 <alberthro> "/topic topic"
  269. Mar 06 16:15:34 * Fishbot has changed the topic to: Fishbot rulz
  270. Mar 06 16:15:39 <Fishbot> :p
  271. Mar 06 16:15:41 <alberthro> lol :P
  272. Mar 06 16:15:52 <qazz42> !topic Casio > TI
  273. Mar 06 16:15:56 * qazz42 has changed the topic to: Casio > TI
  274. Mar 06 16:16:05 * grphmstur has changed the topic to: "#prizm | PRIZM discussion occurs here! ;-)"
  275. Mar 06 16:16:06 <alberthro> how in the world? :P
  276. Mar 06 16:16:08 <qazz42> heheheh
  277. Mar 06 16:16:11 <KermM_> !t Prizm | Discussing the Casio Prizm | See also http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=443
  278. Mar 06 16:16:16 * Fishbot has changed the topic to: Discussion of Prizm hacking, cracking, and random stuff.
  279. Mar 06 16:16:16 <grphmstur> err.
  280. Mar 06 16:16:23 <KermM_> dammit melisma
  281. Mar 06 16:16:24 <Fishbot> Okay, enough topic spam.
  282. Mar 06 16:16:24 <qazz42> alberthro, you forgot that MrAtom still reconizes me :D
  283. Mar 06 16:16:29 <grphmstur> !topic Prizm | Discussing the Casio Prizm | See also http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=443
  284. Mar 06 16:16:33 <alberthro> ahh yes :)
  285. Mar 06 16:16:38 * grphmstur has changed the topic to: Prizm | Discussing the Casio Prizm | See also http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=443
  286. Mar 06 16:16:46 <Fishbot> Okay, enough.
  287. Mar 06 16:16:50 <grphmstur> mmk.
  288. Mar 06 16:16:54 <grphmstur> /lock
  289. Mar 06 16:16:56 <grphmstur> j/k
  290. Mar 06 16:17:10 * Fishbot sets ban on Graphmast!*@*
  291. Mar 06 16:17:17 <Fishbot> :p
  292. Mar 06 16:17:37 <KermM_> !k grphmstur
  293. Mar 06 16:17:40 <grphmstur> gah
  294. Mar 06 16:17:44 <grphmstur> why?
  295. Mar 06 16:17:48 * qazzbot (~supybot@ool-18ba56ae.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #prizm
  296. Mar 06 16:17:49 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to qazzbot
  297. Mar 06 16:17:52 <grphmstur> Don't ban me!
  298. Mar 06 16:17:54 <Fishbot> Just kidding.
  299. Mar 06 16:17:57 * grphmstur runs
  300. Mar 06 16:17:59 <Fishbot> Okay, enough bots.
  301. Mar 06 16:18:06 <qazz42> just to be sure
  302. Mar 06 16:18:07 * grphmstur turns on his server....
  303. Mar 06 16:18:08 <alberthro> lol :P
  304. Mar 06 16:18:10 <qazz42> $roulette
  305. Mar 06 16:18:10 <qazzbot> qazz42: *click*
  306. Mar 06 16:18:19 * Melisma gives voice to KermM_
  307. Mar 06 16:18:20 <grphmstur> okay, kick all bots.
  308. Mar 06 16:18:20 <qazz42> hmm, I forgot about that :D
  309. Mar 06 16:18:24 <grphmstur> except melisma
  310. Mar 06 16:18:29 <Fishbot> !voiceall
  311. Mar 06 16:18:30 <grphmstur> do it in #thebot, not here.
  312. Mar 06 16:18:32 <alberthro> if it's to keep the chan alive, that's ok. But bot spam goes to #thebot, not here. :)
  313. Mar 06 16:18:32 <qazz42> $part
  314. Mar 06 16:18:32 * qazzbot (~supybot@ool-18ba56ae.dyn.optonline.net) has left #prizm (qazz42)
  315. Mar 06 16:18:36 <grphmstur> I'm about to start kicking.
  316. Mar 06 16:18:39 <KermM_> !t Prizm | Discussing the Casio Prizm | See also http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=443
  317. Mar 06 16:18:41 <grphmstur> thank you alberhtro
  318. Mar 06 16:18:47 <qazz42> Errr, wha?
  319. Mar 06 16:18:48 <KermM_> grr, I thought I got the flags right.
  320. Mar 06 16:18:48 <grphmstur> KermM_: I've already changed the topic
  321. Mar 06 16:18:53 <qazz42> sooo
  322. Mar 06 16:18:56 <KermM_> grphmstur, I just want to make sure we can all to !t
  323. Mar 06 16:19:03 <grphmstur> okay...
  324. Mar 06 16:19:08 <grphmstur> anyway.
  325. Mar 06 16:19:10 <grphmstur> back on topic.
  326. Mar 06 16:19:22 <alberthro> my bot can do /topic if I'm not lazy to implement it :P
  327. Mar 06 16:19:28 <alberthro> anyways, what's the status of PRIZM dev?
  328. Mar 06 16:19:37 <KermM_> *Prizm
  329. Mar 06 16:19:37 <Fishbot> Unicorns on-calc: yea or nay?
  330. Mar 06 16:19:42 <KermM_> it's not an acronym
  331. Mar 06 16:19:55 <Fishbot> Prizm dev is pretty far.
  332. Mar 06 16:20:15 <alberthro> KermM_: I thought they capitalized the name? :P
  333. Mar 06 16:20:29 <Fishbot> Casio can't even spell "Prizm"
  334. Mar 06 16:20:37 <grphmstur> lol Fishbot
  335. Mar 06 16:20:42 <alberthro> Fishbot: any method of doing pixel based drawing, or are we just at the basics (text, memory, etc.)
  336. Mar 06 16:20:44 <alberthro> lol
  337. Mar 06 16:20:57 <Fishbot> We can do pixel based drawing.
  338. Mar 06 16:20:57 <grphmstur> memory+text atm.
  339. Mar 06 16:21:08 <grphmstur> do we understand the color scheme yet?
  340. Mar 06 16:21:12 <Fishbot> Yep.
  341. Mar 06 16:21:23 <Fishbot> Pixel drawing is insanely slow though.
  342. Mar 06 16:21:32 <alberthro> Even with C/ASM?
  343. Mar 06 16:21:38 <Fishbot> 22 FPS max with OS routines in C>
  344. Mar 06 16:21:45 <alberthro> ahh I see :(
  345. Mar 06 16:21:53 <qazz42> sooo
  346. Mar 06 16:21:55 * uTanner (~tanner@h96-60-249-44.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has joined #prizm
  347. Mar 06 16:21:56 <alberthro> you could always try going directly to the LCD controller.
  348. Mar 06 16:21:56 <Fishbot> That's with full screen drawing.
  349. Mar 06 16:21:57 <uTanner> rawr!
  350. Mar 06 16:22:06 <Fishbot> Yeah, working on it.
  351. Mar 06 16:22:11 <qazz42> KermM_, are you going to go and post you letter on the google group page?
  352. Mar 06 16:22:33 <KermM_> qazz42, stop nagging me :P
  353. Mar 06 16:22:37 <qazz42> :P
  354. Mar 06 16:22:39 <qazz42> just wondering
  355. Mar 06 16:22:50 <KermM_> I want to make sure it's the right thing to do
  356. Mar 06 16:22:53 <qazz42> k
  357. Mar 06 16:22:57 <uTanner> Wait, we have to want to do prizm development here?
  358. Mar 06 16:23:02 <uTanner> :(
  359. Mar 06 16:23:05 <Fishbot> Not really.
  360. Mar 06 16:23:11 <alberthro> Well, it's mostly on #omnimaga.
  361. Mar 06 16:23:17 <alberthro> Partially on #cemetech.
  362. Mar 06 16:23:20 <uTanner> Kerm, NAG NAG NAG
  363. Mar 06 16:23:26 * Fishbot points at Melisma, who could care less about dev
  364. Mar 06 16:23:36 <uTanner> Melisma loves dev
  365. Mar 06 16:23:44 <alberthro> lol :)
  366. Mar 06 16:23:51 <uTanner> (It sounds a lot like Tev ;)... )
  367. Mar 06 16:24:19 <Fishbot> TMI...
  368. Mar 06 16:24:23 <alberthro> ?say I love the PRIZM and developing for it!! TI sucks!
  369. Mar 06 16:24:25 <MrAtom> I love the PRIZM and developing for it!! TI sucks!
  370. Mar 06 16:24:34 <alberthro> :P
  371. Mar 06 16:24:42 * Netham45 (~Netham@c-71-229-210-193.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has left #prizm (Z:8015-190D)
  372. Mar 06 16:24:44 <grphmstur> /kick uTanner Nagging
  373. Mar 06 16:24:53 <uTanner> Go away Graph ;)
  374. Mar 06 16:25:04 * Fishbot kicks Genolo
  375. Mar 06 16:25:07 <alberthro> cycling Xchat, brb
  376. Mar 06 16:25:08 <grphmstur> anyway, back on what was a topic.
  377. Mar 06 16:25:10 * Disconnected ().
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  380. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 6 16:25:26 2011
  381.  
  382. Mar 06 16:25:26 * Now talking on #prizm
  383. Mar 06 16:25:26 * Topic for #prizm is: Prizm | Discussing the Casio Prizm | See also http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=443
  384. Mar 06 16:25:26 * Topic for #prizm set by grphmstur!~grphmstur@c-68-47-137-122.hsd1.ar.comcast.net at Sun Mar 6 16:16:37 2011
  385. Mar 06 16:25:27 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to alberthro
  386. Mar 06 16:25:28 <uTanner> Discussing the Casio Prizm
  387. Mar 06 16:25:28 <grphmstur> okay, when alberthro gets back, just kick him.
  388. Mar 06 16:25:29 <grphmstur> gah
  389. Mar 06 16:25:36 <alberthro> :P
  390. Mar 06 16:25:37 <uTanner> Let's do that :)
  391. Mar 06 16:25:49 <grphmstur> I actually waited until he got back on, but whatevs.
  392. Mar 06 16:25:55 <Fishbot> ?deop alberthro
  393. Mar 06 16:26:04 <alberthro> oh, I'm an op again :D
  394. Mar 06 16:26:04 <grphmstur> doesn't work that way.
  395. Mar 06 16:26:05 <Fishbot> ?op
  396. Mar 06 16:26:09 <alberthro> ?deop alberthro
  397. Mar 06 16:26:10 * MrAtom removes channel operator status from alberthro
  398. Mar 06 16:26:21 * grphmstur gives channel operator status to alberthro
  399. Mar 06 16:26:24 <Fishbot> ?deop alberthro
  400. Mar 06 16:26:27 <alberthro> Fishbot: you need bot admin privs. can get that to you in a sec :)
  401. Mar 06 16:26:28 * grphmstur removes channel operator status from alberthro
  402. Mar 06 16:26:34 <alberthro> grphmstur: :P
  403. Mar 06 16:26:36 <Fishbot> Thanks :)
  404. Mar 06 16:26:40 <grphmstur> ?op Fishbot
  405. Mar 06 16:26:40 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to Fishbot
  406. Mar 06 16:26:46 <grphmstur> close enough atm.
  407. Mar 06 16:26:55 <grphmstur> even though you were already op...
  408. Mar 06 16:27:03 <Fishbot> ?deop grphmstur
  409. Mar 06 16:27:04 <alberthro> who else wants bot control? :P
  410. Mar 06 16:27:08 <Fishbot> >.<
  411. Mar 06 16:27:14 <Fishbot> :p
  412. Mar 06 16:27:18 <grphmstur> nic try Fishbot
  413. Mar 06 16:27:18 * MrAtom has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  414. Mar 06 16:27:23 <grphmstur> he has to reset it.
  415. Mar 06 16:27:30 <Fishbot> O.o
  416. Mar 06 16:27:38 * Fishbot will be victorious.
  417. Mar 06 16:27:51 * uTanner (~tanner@h96-60-249-44.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) has left #prizm (Leaving)
  418. Mar 06 16:27:55 <alberthro> It's terrible, I know. :P
  419. Mar 06 16:28:05 <alberthro> AtomBot v3.0 will be better, trust me. ;)
  420. Mar 06 16:28:39 * MrAtom (ircuser@206.217.137.169) has joined #prizm
  421. Mar 06 16:29:12 <alberthro> there we go :)
  422. Mar 06 16:29:20 <Fishbot> ?op
  423. Mar 06 16:29:23 <alberthro> uhh
  424. Mar 06 16:29:25 <grphmstur> ?deop Fishbot
  425. Mar 06 16:29:32 <Fishbot> :(
  426. Mar 06 16:29:33 <alberthro> you need to /op MrAtom :P
  427. Mar 06 16:29:33 <grphmstur> way to go alberthro
  428. Mar 06 16:29:42 * grphmstur gives channel operator status to MrAtom
  429. Mar 06 16:29:48 <alberthro> now it will work :D
  430. Mar 06 16:29:48 <Fishbot> ?op
  431. Mar 06 16:29:57 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to Fishbot
  432. Mar 06 16:29:57 <grphmstur> ?deop Fishbot
  433. Mar 06 16:29:57 * MrAtom removes channel operator status from Fishbot
  434. Mar 06 16:29:57 <Fishbot> ?op
  435. Mar 06 16:29:57 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to Fishbot
  436. Mar 06 16:29:58 <grphmstur> ?deop MrAtom
  437. Mar 06 16:29:58 * MrAtom removes channel operator status from MrAtom
  438. Mar 06 16:30:02 <Fishbot> ?op
  439. Mar 06 16:30:02 <grphmstur> ?op MrAtom
  440. Mar 06 16:30:11 <grphmstur> oh, MrAtom can't op himself?
  441. Mar 06 16:30:13 <alberthro> bot suicide != fun :P
  442. Mar 06 16:30:16 * Fishbot gives channel operator status to MrAtom
  443. Mar 06 16:30:21 * grphmstur gives channel operator status to MrAtom
  444. Mar 06 16:30:25 <alberthro> oping yourself is called hacking the IRC server :P
  445. Mar 06 16:30:27 <grphmstur> you should probably fix that alberthro
  446. Mar 06 16:30:29 <Fishbot> Ninja'd
  447. Mar 06 16:30:32 <grphmstur> lol alberthro
  448. Mar 06 16:30:37 <alberthro> if you wish....
  449. Mar 06 16:30:40 <grphmstur> okay, so for now, disperse.
  450. Mar 06 16:30:40 <alberthro> ?quit
  451. Mar 06 16:30:41 * MrAtom has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  452. Mar 06 16:30:56 <Fishbot> I think that's enough botspam...
  453. Mar 06 16:31:09 <alberthro> what's the raw command for topic?
  454. Mar 06 16:31:23 <alberthro> can someone op me really really quick?
  455. Mar 06 16:31:23 * Fishbot has changed the topic to: Hello world
  456. Mar 06 16:31:27 <Fishbot> Prizm | Discussing the Casio Prizm | See also http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=443
  457. Mar 06 16:31:33 * Fishbot gives channel operator status to alberthro
  458. Mar 06 16:31:45 * alberthro has changed the topic to: Prizm | Discussing the Casio Prizm | See also http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=443
  459. Mar 06 16:31:51 <alberthro> got it :)
  460. Mar 06 16:34:22 <Fishbot> Okay, Omni news next ;)
  461. Mar 06 16:35:53 <grphmstur> lol.
  462. Mar 06 16:36:57 * MrAtom (ircuser@206.217.137.169) has joined #prizm
  463. Mar 06 16:37:30 * alberthro gives channel operator status to MrAtom
  464. Mar 06 16:37:36 <alberthro> also...
  465. Mar 06 16:37:42 * AtomASM (ircuser@206.217.137.169) has joined #prizm
  466. Mar 06 16:37:42 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to AtomASM
  467. Mar 06 16:37:49 <Fishbot> grr...
  468. Mar 06 16:37:51 <alberthro> just so that things are a bit smoother :P
  469. Mar 06 16:38:06 <alberthro> anyway, ?deop doesn't work on itself, and there's a topic command. :)
  470. Mar 06 16:38:11 <alberthro> ?deop MrAtom
  471. Mar 06 16:38:15 <alberthro> see? :)
  472. Mar 06 16:38:22 <alberthro> and:
  473. Mar 06 16:38:23 <Fishbot> ?op
  474. Mar 06 16:38:24 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to Fishbot
  475. Mar 06 16:38:27 <alberthro> ?topic Prizm | Discussing the Casio Prizm | See also http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=443
  476. Mar 06 16:38:28 * MrAtom has changed the topic to: Prizm
  477. Mar 06 16:38:35 <alberthro> err
  478. Mar 06 16:38:37 <Fishbot> ?deop grphmastur
  479. Mar 06 16:38:50 <Fishbot> ?deop grphmstur
  480. Mar 06 16:38:52 * alberthro facepalms
  481. Mar 06 16:38:54 <alberthro> ?quit
  482. Mar 06 16:38:54 * MrAtom has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  483. Mar 06 16:38:58 <alberthro> silly coding mistake :P
  484. Mar 06 16:38:59 <grphmstur> lol
  485. Mar 06 16:39:12 <grphmstur> you should do what I do and be able to add them to a list that saves on exit.
  486. Mar 06 16:39:16 <Fishbot> I want to see what happens when all human ops are removed.
  487. Mar 06 16:40:08 <grphmstur> I see.
  488. Mar 06 16:40:19 <Fishbot> And deop you >.<
  489. Mar 06 16:40:21 <Fishbot> :p
  490. Mar 06 16:41:03 * MrAtom (ircuser@206.217.137.169) has joined #prizm
  491. Mar 06 16:41:03 * AtomASM gives channel operator status to MrAtom
  492. Mar 06 16:41:11 <alberthro> ?deop
  493. Mar 06 16:41:11 * MrAtom removes channel operator status from alberthro
  494. Mar 06 16:41:18 <alberthro> ?deop grphmstur
  495. Mar 06 16:41:18 * MrAtom removes channel operator status from grphmstur
  496. Mar 06 16:41:21 <alberthro> ?op grphmstur
  497. Mar 06 16:41:22 <grphmstur> ?op
  498. Mar 06 16:41:22 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to grphmstur
  499. Mar 06 16:41:22 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to grphmstur
  500. Mar 06 16:41:31 <Fishbot> ?deop grphmstur
  501. Mar 06 16:41:32 * MrAtom removes channel operator status from grphmstur
  502. Mar 06 16:41:32 <alberthro> ?deop MrAtom
  503. Mar 06 16:41:35 <grphmstur> ?deop AtomASM
  504. Mar 06 16:41:35 * MrAtom removes channel operator status from AtomASM
  505. Mar 06 16:41:38 <grphmstur> ?deop Fishbot
  506. Mar 06 16:41:38 * MrAtom removes channel operator status from Fishbot
  507. Mar 06 16:41:39 <alberthro> woot :)
  508. Mar 06 16:41:42 <grphmstur> ?deop Melisma
  509. Mar 06 16:41:42 * MrAtom removes channel operator status from Melisma
  510. Mar 06 16:41:45 <alberthro> ?op AtomASM
  511. Mar 06 16:41:45 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to AtomASM
  512. Mar 06 16:41:46 <grphmstur> ?deop qazz42
  513. Mar 06 16:41:46 * MrAtom removes channel operator status from qazz42
  514. Mar 06 16:41:51 <grphmstur> ?deop AtomASM
  515. Mar 06 16:41:52 * MrAtom removes channel operator status from AtomASM
  516. Mar 06 16:41:53 <Fishbot> ?op
  517. Mar 06 16:41:54 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to Fishbot
  518. Mar 06 16:41:56 <alberthro> ?voice Melisma
  519. Mar 06 16:41:57 * MrAtom gives voice to Melisma
  520. Mar 06 16:42:00 <alberthro> ok, that's enough :P
  521. Mar 06 16:42:04 <Fishbot> Okay, that's proog.
  522. Mar 06 16:42:06 <alberthro> ?op AtomASM
  523. Mar 06 16:42:07 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to AtomASM
  524. Mar 06 16:42:09 <grphmstur> okay, good enough
  525. Mar 06 16:42:11 <Fishbot> *proof.
  526. Mar 06 16:42:14 <grphmstur> ?op
  527. Mar 06 16:42:14 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to grphmstur
  528. Mar 06 16:42:17 <alberthro> ?topic Prizm | Discussing the Casio Prizm | See also http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=443
  529. Mar 06 16:42:18 * MrAtom has changed the topic to: Prizm | Discussing the Casio Prizm | See also http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=443
  530. Mar 06 16:42:21 <grphmstur> ?op Melisma
  531. Mar 06 16:42:22 * MrAtom gives channel operator status to Melisma
  532. Mar 06 16:42:27 <grphmstur> was that all?
  533. Mar 06 16:42:28 <grphmstur> mmk
  534. Mar 06 16:42:30 <alberthro> yup :)
  535. Mar 06 16:42:37 <alberthro> also, ?topic can be substituted with ?t
  536. Mar 06 16:42:42 <alberthro> ?t Prizm | Discussing the Casio Prizm | See also http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=443
  537. Mar 06 16:42:43 * MrAtom has changed the topic to: Prizm | Discussing the Casio Prizm | See also http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=443
  538. Mar 06 16:43:01 <alberthro> ok, back to Prizm discussion :P
  539. Mar 06 16:43:19 <alberthro> is the Prizm fast enough for games and such?
  540. Mar 06 16:43:42 <grphmstur> probably
  541. Mar 06 16:43:45 <grphmstur> anyway, cya
  542. Mar 06 16:43:46 * grphmstur has quit (grphmstur)
  543. Mar 06 16:43:54 <qazz42> hey..
  544. Mar 06 16:44:29 <alberthro> it's a mess :P
  545. Mar 06 16:44:36 <alberthro> but everything's back to normal :)
  546. Mar 06 16:47:30 <Fishbot> The Prizm is fast enough for games.
  547. Mar 06 16:48:15 <alberthro> Is the SH3 processor faster than the Z80 per MHz?
  548. Mar 06 16:48:30 <Fishbot> A heck of a lot faster.
  549. Mar 06 16:49:11 <Fishbot> z80 instructions take 2-3 clock cycles, the prizm takes 1 for most instructions.
  550. Mar 06 16:49:37 <alberthro> oh nice :D
  551. Mar 06 16:50:41 <alberthro> So how's the general GUI drawing on the PRIZM? Is it fast? (basically, it doesn't have the infamous vertical overdraw)
  552. Mar 06 16:50:58 <Fishbot> In BASIC?
  553. Mar 06 16:51:09 <alberthro> No, just navigating around in general.
  554. Mar 06 16:51:41 <Fishbot> There are some noticeable lags when changing screens in the app menu.
  555. Mar 06 16:51:46 <Fishbot> But it's otherwise fine.
  556. Mar 06 16:52:20 <alberthro> Ahh ok. By lag do you mean just a pause (no change on the screen), app icon loading, or the vertical overdraw?
  557. Mar 06 16:52:31 <Fishbot> Pause.
  558. Mar 06 16:53:22 <alberthro> That's good. I was worried it would do the thing that a touchscreen credit card terminal does.
  559. Mar 06 16:53:37 <Fishbot> Which is?
  560. Mar 06 16:54:12 <alberthro> Vertical overdraw - basically, the new screen would draw from top to bottom by row, and it's fast, but noticable.
  561. Mar 06 16:54:29 <Fishbot> Oh, it doesn't do that.\
  562. Mar 06 16:54:46 <Fishbot> I think it might use a buffer.
  563. Mar 06 16:54:48 <alberthro> If it did, that would be pretty icky to sell on the market. :P
  564. Mar 06 16:54:51 <alberthro> Probably.
  565. Mar 06 16:55:06 <alberthro> Then the OS just tells the LCD controller to display that buffer.
  566. Mar 06 16:55:30 <Fishbot> But even if it doesn't, we can make a buffer.
  567. Mar 06 16:56:09 <Fishbot> We have a few MB of contiguous virtual RAM to use.
  568. Mar 06 16:56:23 <alberthro> ahh yes, I forgot about the 16 MB of RAM :)
  569. Mar 06 16:56:45 <Fishbot> 2 MB RAM, a bazilllion MB virtual RAM.
  570. Mar 06 16:57:05 <alberthro> virtual RAM? O_O
  571. Mar 06 16:57:33 <Fishbot> Yeah, it does some fancy hardware stuff that gives you a ton of free RAM with fake addresses.
  572. Mar 06 16:58:04 <alberthro> hehe, but i don't think I could have 1 GB of virtual RAM tho :P
  573. Mar 06 16:58:12 <Fishbot> The physical RAM is located in different locations, but the virtual RAM has nice continuous addresses.
  574. Mar 06 16:58:24 <Fishbot> Actually, I think it's up to 4 GB virtual RAM :p
  575. Mar 06 16:58:29 <alberthro> lol :)
  576. Mar 06 16:58:34 <Fishbot> But the OS limits it way before that.
  577. Mar 06 16:58:46 <alberthro> what the difference between physical RAM and virtual RAM?
  578. Mar 06 16:58:49 <alberthro> *what's
  579. Mar 06 16:59:29 <Fishbot> Virtual RAM is a PITA to work with and doesn't grant much hardware access.
  580. Mar 06 17:00:12 <KermM_> Disagree
  581. Mar 06 17:00:13 <alberthro> sounds like a messy hack imo :P
  582. Mar 06 17:00:25 <Fishbot> It has its uses.
  583. Mar 06 17:00:25 <KermM_> Virtual addressing is a very valuable tool for segmentation
  584. Mar 06 17:00:35 <KermM_> and it's used by every single desktop and server OS out there
  585. Mar 06 17:00:50 <Fishbot> I know. It's very useful for some applications.
  586. Mar 06 17:00:51 <KermM_> every C program on windows, Mac OS X, and Linux executes in virtual memory
  587. Mar 06 17:01:02 <KermM_> *every single compiled program
  588. Mar 06 17:01:11 <Fishbot> But for my purposes on the Prizm, it's an annoyance.
  589. Mar 06 17:01:21 <KermM_> No, you're missing the scope, it's not useful for applications, it's useful for OSes and kernels
  590. Mar 06 17:01:37 <Fishbot> Applications as in purposes.
  591. Mar 06 17:01:38 <KermM_> Even the z80 does sorta-virtual addressing
  592. Mar 06 17:01:46 <KermM_> by running Apps at $4000
  593. Mar 06 17:05:09 * Fishbot has quit (http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  594. Mar 06 17:14:17 <alberthro> seems like this chan is just bots and very quiet people :P
  595. Mar 06 17:38:53 <KermM_> I am both.
  596. Mar 06 17:39:28 * Melisma gives channel operator status to KermM_
  597. Mar 06 17:39:33 * KermM_ is now known as KermM
  598. Mar 06 17:39:43 * KermM removes channel operator status from MrAtom AtomASM
  599. Mar 06 17:39:50 * KermM removes channel operator status from KermM
  600. Mar 06 17:40:33 <alberthro> chan takeover, no? :P
  601. Mar 06 17:41:17 <KermM> Too many ops is bad.
  602. Mar 06 17:41:24 <KermM> Notice I deop'd myself too ;)
  603. Mar 06 17:41:38 <alberthro> meh :P at least have MrAtom op'd :P
  604. Mar 06 17:42:24 * Ginsburg (~nikky@dante01.u.washington.edu) has joined #prizm
  605. Mar 06 17:43:00 * Melisma gives channel operator status to Ginsburg
  606. Mar 06 17:43:01 * Ginsburg sets ban on *!*MALPBot@*
  607. Mar 06 17:43:01 * Ginsburg sets ban on really!long@pastes.use.a.freaking.pastebin.already.plz.kthx
  608. Mar 06 17:43:01 * Ginsburg sets ban on moko|log*!*mokomull@dsl-*.aei.ca
  609. Mar 06 17:43:23 <alberthro> ...and I thought 1 op was enough? :P
  610. Mar 06 17:43:42 <Merth> What if one's connection drops?
  611. Mar 06 17:43:45 <KermM> You need two bots
  612. Mar 06 17:43:48 <KermM> For that reason ^
  613. Mar 06 17:43:54 <KermM> But they have to be linked bots
  614. Mar 06 17:44:00 <KermM> So that they know to protect each other
  615. Mar 06 17:44:19 <alberthro> err.... AtomASM and MrAtom was those bots protecting each other. :P
  616. Mar 06 17:44:20 <KermM> they're also on different servers in case of netsplats.
  617. Mar 06 17:44:42 <alberthro> good point.
  618. Mar 06 17:45:22 <alberthro> still, no reason to deop MrAtom :P
  619. Mar 06 17:47:00 <alberthro> at least make FishBot op'able, since he's the one who started the chan.
  620. Mar 06 17:54:31 * mib_lpszq (Mibbit@97-117-145-209.phnx.qwest.net) has joined #prizm
  621. Mar 06 17:54:55 <mib_lpszq> Whoa, is this that awesome prism channel?
  622. Mar 06 17:54:59 <alberthro> hello mysterious one :)
  623. Mar 06 17:55:18 <mib_lpszq> hiya
  624. Mar 06 17:55:24 <alberthro> indeed it is, although it has gone over an unauthorized takeover :P
  625. Mar 06 17:56:08 <mib_lpszq> I think that epic coder Qwerty would be annoyed
  626. Mar 06 17:56:10 * mib_lpszq is now known as Fishbot
  627. Mar 06 17:56:13 <Fishbot> :p
  628. Mar 06 17:56:23 <Fishbot> That obvious?
  629. Mar 06 17:56:34 <alberthro> lol :P
  630. Mar 06 17:57:52 <alberthro> should've deop'd Melisma :P
  631. Mar 06 17:58:49 <Fishbot> Darn it.
  632. Mar 06 17:59:36 <Fishbot> Thanks alberthro.
  633. Mar 06 17:59:49 <Fishbot> I should be OPable, though...
  634. Mar 06 18:00:03 <Fishbot> !op
  635. Mar 06 18:00:05 <Merth> I'm sure KermM will set that up.
  636. Mar 06 18:00:08 <alberthro> Ehh.... if MrAtom is op'd, sure.
  637. Mar 06 18:00:28 <alberthro> Not otherwise.
  638. Mar 06 18:00:43 <alberthro> ?op is the command, btw
  639. Mar 06 18:00:48 <Merth> Making it hostmask or nickname based is dangerous, Melisma uses a password, so it'a a little more secure.
  640. Mar 06 18:00:48 <Fishbot> ?op
  641. Mar 06 18:01:17 <alberthro> bleh :P does that justify taking over the chan? I have another bot that does identification.
  642. Mar 06 18:01:33 <Fishbot> How many bots do you have? O.o
  643. Mar 06 18:02:23 <alberthro> Three. MrAtom is my main bot, AtomASM is MrAtom modified to compile Z80, and AaronBot is totally different code (supybot, with the identing).
  644. Mar 06 18:02:44 <Fishbot> You need at least 13 more.
  645. Mar 06 18:02:52 <alberthro> lol :P
  646. Mar 06 18:03:03 <Fishbot> That way you can name them with a half byte ID number :p
  647. Mar 06 18:03:26 <alberthro> lol :)
  648. Mar 06 18:04:19 <alberthro> Anyway, you have three choices:
  649. Mar 06 18:04:50 <alberthro> 1) Contact Kerm on #cemetech or here and ask for ops; 2) Kill the chan; 3) Hack Melisma :P
  650. Mar 06 18:05:32 <Fishbot> I choose 4: Go on a maniacal rampage through the countryside until I'm given OP by executive order.
  651. Mar 06 18:05:43 <Fishbot> :p
  652. Mar 06 18:06:06 <Fishbot> #3 sounds fine too though.
  653. Mar 06 18:07:01 <alberthro> lol :)
  654. Mar 06 18:07:06 * AaronBot (ircuser@206.217.137.169) has joined #prizm
  655. Mar 06 18:07:38 <Merth> All your bots are on the same IP.
  656. Mar 06 18:07:58 <alberthro> Still not a reason for a takeover.
  657. Mar 06 18:08:09 <alberthro> I have multiple areas to put them, as needed.
  658. Mar 06 18:10:07 * apcalc (ae368af6@ircip3.mibbit.com) has joined #prizm
  659. Mar 06 18:12:06 * Fishbot (Mibbit@97-117-145-209.phnx.qwest.net) has left #prizm
  660. Mar 06 18:17:56 * Melisma removes ban on Graphmast!*@*
  661. Mar 06 18:18:35 * thomatos (webchat@ppp118-208-152-36.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) has joined #prizm
  662. Mar 06 18:18:39 * #prizm :You're not channel operator
  663. Mar 06 18:19:19 * thomatos has quit (Client Quit)
  664. Mar 06 18:33:48 * thomatos (webchat@ppp118-208-152-36.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) has joined #prizm
  665. Mar 06 18:49:55 * thomatos has quit (Quit: Page closed)
  666. Mar 06 18:59:08 * Merth has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  667. Mar 06 19:01:32 * brooom (~broooom@541CB1B4.cm-5-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #prizm
  668. Mar 06 19:01:39 <brooom> Ohello
  669. Mar 06 19:02:42 * Merth (~Shaun@c-24-34-13-226.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #prizm
  670. Mar 06 19:02:43 <apcalc> hi
  671. Mar 06 19:04:57 <KermM> hi apcalc :)
  672. Mar 06 19:05:16 <qazz42> haha
  673. Mar 06 19:05:36 <qazz42> KermM, I bet the gener response from the google group will either be a kick or a tl;dr
  674. Mar 06 19:06:53 <KermM> qazz42, I bet you're right
  675. Mar 06 19:06:58 <KermM> I still feel valid points, though
  676. Mar 06 19:07:12 <KermM> We're talking about this, btw
  677. Mar 06 19:07:12 <KermM> http://groups.google.com/group/tinspire/browse_thread/thread/552a2517900b6a52
  678. Mar 06 19:08:31 <apcalc> ah, yes, that wonderful google group! :P
  679. Mar 06 19:09:12 <apcalc> and hi KermM
  680. Mar 06 19:09:17 <apcalc> and qazz42
  681. Mar 06 19:09:36 <brooom> Usenet is still used for text?
  682. Mar 06 19:09:41 <qazz42> er
  683. Mar 06 19:09:44 <brooom> I am somewhat surprised
  684. Mar 06 19:09:50 * tev (~travis@ip68-102-73-177.ks.ok.cox.net) has joined #prizm
  685. Mar 06 19:09:56 <qazz42> hai apcalc
  686. Mar 06 19:12:34 * FinaleTI (webchat@c-76-106-12-192.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #prizm
  687. Mar 06 19:14:03 <qazz42> sigh
  688. Mar 06 19:14:59 <KermM> hi apcalc, tev, FinaleTI :)
  689. Mar 06 19:15:09 <tev> Hi
  690. Mar 06 19:15:09 <FinaleTI> Hi guys.
  691. Mar 06 19:16:10 <brooom> Hey
  692. Mar 06 19:16:12 <brooom> :)
  693. Mar 06 19:16:34 * Disconnected ().
  694. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 6 19:16:34 2011
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