pandaisftw: is the overview of all hexes
18:58 Damelon: yes
18:58 pandaisftw: a 2D top-down look
18:58 pandaisftw: then you can zoom in
18:58 Damelon: play map=iso
18:58 pandaisftw: yup
18:58 jay: ok, done
18:58 Damelon: heh
18:59 jay: I was under that assumption, but good to know definitively
18:59 pandaisftw: and the play map can still be subdivided into smaller "hexes" or "squares", whatever is easier for artists to put in a unit of space
18:59 jay: http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=cQaFtTj0hC1JaM&tbnid=pS9-TNEkgvmJvM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftimvandevall.com%2Fisometric-graph-paper-pdf%2F&ei=dLlSU7jKNeXLsQSajIDIDw&bvm=bv.65058239,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNGJvuQdxzSmrVBA51vNPw2gFkFAWQ&ust=1398016376566483
18:59 jay: isometric grids are diamonds
19:00 jay: which is why the hex was confusing me
19:00 (chanc3r) squares dont have SIX corners
19:00 pandaisftw: right, one sec
19:00 Damelon: who said the map was in our universe?
19:00 Damelon: eh?1
19:00 Damelon: tsk
19:01 pandaisftw: http://www.me.berkeley.edu/e28/isometric_grid.jpg
19:01 (chanc3r) so the map is a 4th dimensional shadow of a 3 dimensional hex
19:01 Damelon: works for me
19:01 Damelon: ;)
19:01 Damelon: You can explain it to our investors
19:02 (chanc3r) i always thought marketing was on another planet - but another dimension sounds more appropriate actually
19:02 pandaisftw: hehe =p
19:02 pandaisftw: so yes jay, you're right
19:02 pandaisftw: but the map can still be "hexed" shape, but I think each individual square will need to be square
19:02 pandaisftw: or, "the shadow of a 3D hex"
19:03 jay: yes, I see what youre saying, Eric
19:03 jay: that’s where I’m at — asset list to artists
19:03 jay: which I can get out soon
19:04 jay: also
19:04 jay: overseas — in relation to US — seem to be moving away from paypal and prefer IBAN transfers
19:04 jay: due to paypal fees
19:04 Damelon: iban/sepa
19:04 Damelon: yes
19:04 Damelon: because awesome
19:04 Damelon: :)
19:05 pandaisftw: wait, IBANs are cheaper than paypal? =o
19:05 jay: and many artists are using odek or elance, for payment escrow, at least until trust is built with the client
19:05 jay: according to a few artists I spoke with
19:05 jay: one in France
19:05 jay: recommended it
19:05 pandaisftw: would they happen to take...
19:05 pandaisftw: bitcoin? ;) or even better, NXT
19:05 jay: I know where you’re going :)
19:06 Damelon: i think most of them won´t
19:06 jay: I actually recommended that to a Chinese artis that complained of paypal fees, but haven’t heard back yet
19:06 Damelon: some might
19:06 jay: agree with Bas, most want fiat for rent, food, rails of coke, whatever
19:07 pandaisftw: lol
19:07 Damelon: most people just want to be paid in fiat
19:07 jay: I’m very high on Rainer, Ognian and Waclaw
19:07 Damelon: we´re still a few years away from jobs paid in cryptos
19:07 Damelon: heh
19:08 jay: Bas, can you give us a Klee/Pouncer update before I leave? I need to scoot in about 10 minutes
19:08 Damelon: well, klee is good for 1,5 million, IF we present a good plan
19:09 Damelon: he will bring in the rest to attend an online meeting
19:09 Damelon: he believes they will be interested
19:09 Damelon: but we need the plan
19:09 Damelon: which brings me to my last point
19:09 Damelon: the business plan
19:10 Damelon: I would like to ask if Ian would be available some time to finish this with me
19:10 Damelon: I think we both could do this in tandem relatively quickly if you guys agree
19:10 (chanc3r) yep... tough over next few weeks but easier to find time with you than US
19:10 Damelon: yes
19:10 Damelon: exactly
19:11 Damelon: we are hampered by time zones sometimes
19:11 jay: Americans .: eye roll :.
19:11 Damelon: and this needs to be done quickly
19:11 jay: :D
19:11 jay: yes
19:11 (chanc3r) as i will be europe +/- 2 for next few weeks depending where I am
19:11 Damelon: and i think we are on the same page anyway
19:11 jay: Bas, may I interrupt re: done quickly?
19:11 Damelon: you may
19:11 Damelon: :)
19:12 jay: yes/no: cashing in some of NXT we’ve raised in order to get some concept art done STAT
19:12 Damelon: yes
19:12 Damelon: YES!
19:12 Damelon: i was just about to suggest that
19:12 Damelon: hah
19:12 jay: I’m getting anxious and would love to show SOMETHING
19:12 Damelon: i was leading up to that
19:13 jay: ok, take it away :)
19:13 Damelon: we will need to finalise the corp over the next weeks, but will need to update the investors with art
19:13 Damelon: that will make it look ¨real¨
19:13 Damelon: so i propose jay to make a list of affordable things which we can approve
19:14 Damelon: and hire out for some concept art
19:14 jay: budget?
19:14 Damelon: let´s discuss
19:14 Damelon: heh
19:14 Damelon: 15,000-20,000?
19:14 (chanc3r) panda and I will provide jay details on world structure
19:14 Damelon: we have 40,000
19:14 Damelon: a bit more
19:15 Damelon: i offered marek 3-5 for the lith for the site
19:15 jay: I meant just this initial budget for concept art to show investors
19:15 Damelon: 3-5k
19:15 pandaisftw: roughly, how much will concept art cost?
19:15 pandaisftw: per picture
19:15 Damelon: 15,000-20,000 isn´t that much fiat
19:15 jay: Waclaw’s detailed portraits are $150-$200 us
19:15 Damelon: that´s why i said affordable ;)
19:15 Damelon: haha
19:16 jay: we could have three nice concept pieces for $600
19:16 pandaisftw: so we have around $500 with 20k NXT
19:16 Damelon: yes
19:16 jay: or have waclaw rainer and ognian do one each
19:16 Damelon: i could also chip in some from private funds
19:16 pandaisftw: same here
19:16 jay: I would, but getting married in 5 weeks
19:16 Damelon: i don´t want to empty the corp coffers in one go
19:16 jay: so, $ is tight
19:16 Damelon: don´t worry jay
19:17 Damelon: we´re in this together :)
19:17 Damelon: you do the work
19:17 jay: :: smooch ::
19:17 Damelon: time=$ too
19:17 *pandaisftw turns away from this intimate moment

19:17 jay: lol
19:17 Damelon: 5 weeks!
19:17 Damelon: that´s soon!
19:17 jay: yes
19:18 Damelon: :)
19:18 jay: May 31
19:18 chanc3r: No such command
19:18 jay: any ideas for initial concept art?
19:18 pandaisftw: nice =)
19:18 *chanc3r chanc3r takes a video for future leverage
19:18 pandaisftw: so what are we needing for our lith site?
19:18 pandaisftw: image-wise
19:18 Damelon: not much yet
19:18 pandaisftw: because I think we could have a nice background picture
19:18 Damelon: i want to build it very slowly
19:18 Damelon: like ESO did
19:18 Damelon: yes
19:19 Damelon: the pic need not be a ¨game¨ pic at all
19:19 Damelon: just atmosphere
19:19 pandaisftw: yup
19:19 jay: ok, gotta run — when do we anticipate we’ll have fiat to pay artist?
19:19 jay: yes, Just general landscape setting
19:19 Damelon: yes, that
19:19 Damelon: who has the game account key?
19:19 Damelon: you, jay?
19:20 jay: James holds the 41k in the community fund
19:20 Damelon: ah
19:20 Damelon: we need to have it transferred soon, then
19:20 jay: all donations were sent there to be visible/legit
19:20 Damelon: to a to be decided account
19:20 Damelon: i expect to finish the site this week
19:20 pandaisftw: nice
19:21 Damelon: so we could contract the artist after that
19:21 jay: ok, you do that, I’ll get quotes from rainer and waclaw, love you all you’re beautiful people BYE
19:21 Damelon: yes
19:21 Damelon: ok!
19:21 Damelon: :)
19:21 pandaisftw: later
19:21 jay: :: waves ::
19:21 jay (~Jay@hide-DFF83D44.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has left IRC: (Quit: jay)
19:22 Damelon: right, that´s all from me
19:22 Damelon: anything else?
19:22 pandaisftw: okay, that does remind me
19:22 pandaisftw: all the other people who pledged
19:22 pandaisftw: like besides klee
19:22 pandaisftw: perhaps we could start collecting?
19:22 Damelon: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjYVg_T_1PyvdGlodlcxeWJCY1dybEx2X3lXN3pDbXc&usp=sharing#gid=0
19:22 Damelon: that´s the list
19:23 pandaisftw: iono, we do need some cash for art at this point
19:23 pandaisftw: however, I think i can help finance
19:23 pandaisftw: until we have a concrete plan out
19:23 pandaisftw: and klee and others come aboard
19:23 Damelon: I think we should do it from the 40k first
19:23 Damelon: it´s what it´s for
19:23 pandaisftw: yeah, but that's only 2 pics at this rate =p
19:24 Damelon: klee and the big ones will only come on board with a plan
19:24 Damelon: we could do the smaller ones first
19:24 pandaisftw: okay
19:24 pandaisftw: business plan?
19:24 Damelon: so, do it in a few stages
19:24 pandaisftw: or development plan?
19:24 Damelon: yes, business plan
19:24 pandaisftw: okay
19:24 pandaisftw: well, we do have our financial doc
19:24 pandaisftw: our "prospectus"
19:24 Damelon: not finished
19:25 pandaisftw: right
19:25 pandaisftw: we need to fix it up
19:25 Damelon: that´s why i wanted to work it out with Ian
19:25 pandaisftw: okay, sounds good
19:25 Damelon: and then we can go to the bigger investors
19:25 Damelon: the smaller ones <5000 could go first
19:25 pandaisftw: yeah
19:26 Damelon: that should still get us over 100K i predict
19:26 Damelon: especially if they see work being done
19:26 pandaisftw: yup
19:26 pandaisftw: btw
19:26 pandaisftw: what about that dev guy in our thread?
19:27 Damelon: mistafreezes brother?
19:27 pandaisftw: yeah
19:27 Damelon: I will need to contact him. He´s self taught, though, so no idea what he can do
19:27 (chanc3r) i gotta be AFK for 30mins but then I'm on rest of the night
19:27 Damelon: might be good, might be crap
19:27 Damelon: you guys can judge that better than I
19:28 Damelon: or rather: I cannot judge that at all!
19:28 pandaisftw: lol
19:28 pandaisftw: okay chanc3r, we can do some work
19:28 pandaisftw: after
19:28 (chanc3r) cool
19:28 pandaisftw: Damelon, did he have samples?
19:29 Damelon: not spoken to him yet. What should I ask him?
19:29 Damelon: Promised him to speak this weekend
19:29 pandaisftw: prior works basically
19:29 Damelon: ok
19:30 pandaisftw: but, I don't think any of us here are good enough at programming to really grill him
19:30 pandaisftw: (which is why we need a dev ;) )
19:30 Damelon: That´s why I am a bit wary for now
19:30 pandaisftw: i mean, I can learn, but that will take a while
19:30 pandaisftw: unity itself, is easy
19:30 pandaisftw: imo
19:30 pandaisftw: if he can program, he can most likely do unity
19:30 Damelon: I think we should interview and put him on a list for future reference
19:30 Damelon: not get his hopes up
19:30 pandaisftw: yes, good idea
19:31 pandaisftw: how about this, I will take a look at unity today
19:31 Damelon: and then, once we háve a real dev, get him on
19:31 pandaisftw: and so when we interview devs
19:31 pandaisftw: we can have some sort of benchmark ;)
19:31 Damelon: yes
19:31 Damelon: that would be very helpful
19:32 Damelon: Jays experience with the artist shows we need to know at least something about things to ask questions
19:32 pandaisftw: here's the thing with mistafreeze's brother though, is he willing to take NXT?
19:32 pandaisftw: and by extension, shares?
19:33 Damelon: i think so
19:33 Damelon: have to ask, too
19:33 pandaisftw: okay, because if he's willing to do that (+ being good), that would really help our financials
19:34 Damelon: Yup :)
19:34 Damelon: Need a break now
19:35 Damelon: phew
19:35 Damelon: 2,5 hours again
19:35 pandaisftw: lol
19:35 pandaisftw: alright, ill get some coffee to
19:35 pandaisftw: too*
19:35 pandaisftw: so tired
19:35 (chanc3r) see you in a few panda
19:36 pandaisftw: yup
19:36 Damelon: you´re going to work again?
19:36 Damelon: wow
19:36 pandaisftw: let me know when you're available
19:36 Damelon: dedication!
19:36 pandaisftw: yup, needa finish up the game doc
19:36 pandaisftw: I started linking up all the logic in the core
19:37 (chanc3r) ok
19:37 pandaisftw: i'll upload the slides to google docs
19:37 pandaisftw: in a bit
19:37 (chanc3r) i'm just gonna finish suppoer should be ready in about 20mins
19:37 pandaisftw: alright, enjoy ;)