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  1. ShawnHowellsCP
  2. Three, They read ToU, and did not think we would enforce it.
  3. I have banned two people for being under age.
  4. Both of them told the truth.
  5. 4:46
  6. Elchzard
  7. I have to ask, why do we assume they're telling the truth the second time around?
  8. And not the first?
  9. 2 isn't exactly a very large sample size.
  10. 4:47
  11. ShawnHowellsCP
  12. I know I have.
  13. I am sorry, I lagged out
  14. I wrote
  15. "It is a known fact that people lie in account creation. I know I have."
  16. 4:51
  17. Elchzard
  18. And they don't ever lie at any other time?
  19. That's a really really big assumption to make.
  20. 4:53
  21. ShawnHowellsCP
  22. When faced with interactions and other people, it is PROVEN that people tend to lie less, than when faced with some text wall.
  23. You are making the same assumption
  24. 4:53
  25. Elchzard
  26. This is an example
  27. 4:53
  28. ShawnHowellsCP
  29. That people are always lying
  30. 4:53
  31. Elchzard
  32. I want to see the proof
  33. 4:53
  34. ShawnHowellsCP
  35. What about when you make an account?
  36. Are they all lying then?
  37. 4:53
  38. Elchzard
  39. No, you said it's been proven.
  40. 4:53
  41. ShawnHowellsCP
  42. Same thing.
  43. 4:53
  44. Elchzard
  45. I don't want anecdotal evidence. I want proof.
  46. 4:54
  47. ShawnHowellsCP
  48. http://curiosity.discovery.com/question/average-person-tell-lie
  49. People lie less when faced with other opinions
  50. People lie less when they feel "new"
  51. People lie less when they are confronted.
  52. 4:54
  53. Elchzard
  54. This research involves real life interaction - the internet is very different
  55. In fact this article bears no relevance to the claim you just made
  56. And I'm not going to believe you until you supply me proof
  57. It's exactly the same as if you say you're 12.
  58. Why would I believe you until you've proved it to me?
  59. 4:55
  60. ShawnHowellsCP
  61. Why would I believe anyone saying they are older?
  62. You have the same mindset as me, just flipped
  63. We have the same exact idea, just to other sides.
  64. 4:56
  65. Elchzard
  66. So... You're saying we should ban everyone?
  67. 4:56
  68. ShawnHowellsCP
  69. We should ban when people state they are under the age required to be on the site
  70. 4:56
  71. Elchzard
  72. No, that's not what you just said
  73. 4:56
  74. ShawnHowellsCP
  75. So...You're saying we should keep everyone on chat, even small children around 8?
  76. 4:57
  77. Elchzard
  78. You just said you don't believe someone if they say they're 20 years old - so they're obviously below the age of 13 and should be banned.
  79. If someone is acting like a child in chat, then we can ban them for that.
  80. 4:57
  81. ShawnHowellsCP
  82. You are beginning to act immature. Please refrain from that and return to the logical side of the conversation. It is something people do when they reach a dead end.
  83. 4:57
  84. Elchzard
  85. I'm being entirely logical.
  86. That's what you just said.
  87. If someone's acting like a child in chat, we can ban them for THAT
  88. 4:57
  89. ShawnHowellsCP
  90. I said, if someone says they are under the age to use the site, they should be banned.
  91. We can.
  92. it is called trolling.
  93. 4:58
  94. Elchzard
  95. We can't ban them for BEING a child
  96. Because we don't have proof that they're a child
  97. 4:58
  98. ShawnHowellsCP
  99. Yes, we can.
  100. 4:58
  101. Elchzard
  102. No, we can't
  103. There is no proof that they're a child
  104. That person is innocent until proven guilty
  105. 4:58
  106. ShawnHowellsCP
  107. Terms of Use>Chat rules>Administrator rules before being written>Morals.
  108. We are not a court house
  109. We are a chat room that anyone can make for free.
  110. Upon going to an international site, you GIVE UP your rights you own in your country
  111. 4:58
  112. Elchzard
  113. And yet you're trying to argue the burden of evidence?
  114. This site is actually hosted in America, so its operated under the rules of that state.
  115. 4:59
  116. ShawnHowellsCP
  117. Freedom of speech and free trial being examples.
  118. International being a website that is global.
  119. 4:59
  120. Elchzard
  121. A website is governed by the law in the country in which it is hosted/set up.
  122. 4:59
  123. ShawnHowellsCP
  124. Facebook and youtube take private information and sell it, and conduct experiments on the users
  125. As the past speaks.
  126. Users who said they were underage
  127. Tend to be underage
  128. 5:01
  129. Elchzard
  130. I'm sorry but I can't accept that we should just believe everything that anyone ever says.
  131. 5:01
  132. ShawnHowellsCP
  133. TwistedSystem and Unikitty
  134. Both said they are 12 and 11
  135. 5:01
  136. Elchzard
  137. Your sample size is 2
  138. 5:01
  139. ShawnHowellsCP
  140. I banned on site
  141. sight*
  142. 5:01
  143. Elchzard
  144. That does not prove anything at all
  145. 5:01
  146. ShawnHowellsCP
  147. Was just.
  148. 5:01
  149. Elchzard
  150. Dude, I'm 12
  151. Ban me
  152. 5:01
  153. ShawnHowellsCP
  154. They actually were.
  155. I would need to be a bureaucrat to do so, or the founder.
  156. 5:03
  157. Elchzard
  158. You'd ban me for that?
  159. Is that what you're saying?
  160. 5:04
  161. ShawnHowellsCP
  162. I am stating that I would need to be that position TO do so. And even then, I would either 1) acquire your facebook, or other social site account to back me up 2) Write consensus 3) Find the popular opinion
  163. That is how things are done.
  164. How they always have beem
  165. been*
  166. Your sample size is 0.
  167. 5:08
  168. Elchzard
  169. My sample size is one, actually
  170. I just talked to a friend, he said he was 12
  171. Then I looked at his facebook profile and it said he was 18
  172. 5:08
  173. ShawnHowellsCP
  174. What case was that? I would like to see the evidence of both his ban, and evidence of his age.
  175. The burden of evidence lasts both ways.
  176. He was wrong in saying he was 12, and could be considered a troll.
  177. 5:08
  178. Elchzard
  179. I'd like to see evidence that everyone who ever says they're 12 in chat is telling the truth.
  180. 5:09
  181. ShawnHowellsCP
  182. The user has blocked me on facebook, but you can search her
  183. Emma Stone
  184. Or
  185. Emma Stark
  186. Forget what one
  187. 5:09
  188. Elchzard
  189. You've broken the law by getting her facebook, by the way
  190. Taking additional personal information about people under the age of 13 is illegal, and exactly why COPPA exists.
  191. 5:09
  192. ShawnHowellsCP
  193. She gave it to me.
  194. (yes)
  195. 5:09
  196. Elchzard
  197. You broke the law by taking it
  198. 5:10
  199. ShawnHowellsCP
  200. We were friends, buddy
  201. I spoke to her constantly
  202. You gave it to me out of free will
  203. 5:10
  204. Elchzard
  205. And then banned her
  206. 5:10
  207. ShawnHowellsCP
  208. I banned her months later
  209. 5:10
  210. Elchzard
  211. I guess you don't have many friends
  212. 5:10
  213. ShawnHowellsCP
  214. After I got the possision
  215. Do not insult me
  216. This can stay a civil debate
  217. Insults will not be taken lightly.
  218. 5:10
  219. Elchzard
  220. Other than when you told me to go fuck myself earlier, right?
  221. We can ignore that small slip up?
  222. 5:11
  223. ShawnHowellsCP
  224. That was in a separate chat thread.
  225. Please, stay civil.
  226. I want this to stay as a nice debate.
  227. 5:11
  228. Elchzard
  229. You aren't listening to anything I'm saying, and simply saying the contrary to it at every turn
  230. 5:11
  231. ShawnHowellsCP
  232. You have been doing the same.
  233. And then insult me.
  234. I am applied evidence, not speculation
  235. You have applied a single friend, who could have been banned for trolling.
  236. 5:12
  237. Elchzard
  238. 2 people is not hard evidence.
  239. You're being immature, people do this when they reach dead ends.
  240. 5:12
  241. ShawnHowellsCP
  242. I am trying to stay nice to you, Elch
  243. I applied respect to you
  244. Please do the same
  245. 5:13
  246. Elchzard
  247. You said that exact same thing to me about 10 minutes ago
  248. I don't really see how I'm being any less nice to you than I you are to me
  249. Other than not telling you to go fuck yourself, obviously :)
  250. 5:13
  251. ShawnHowellsCP
  252. I said that, when you started to get out of line
  253. I told you to "go fuck yourself" when it started to get heated in main chat
  254. 5:14
  255. Elchzard
  256. I don't think you have any right to tell me what is "out of line"
  257. 5:14
  258. ShawnHowellsCP
  259. That was a separate chat
  260. Please
  261. Stay
  262. Civil
  263. and
  264. 5:14
  265. Elchzard
  266. That means absolutely nothing
  267. 5:14
  268. ShawnHowellsCP
  269. Respectful
  270. 5:14
  271. Elchzard
  272. Please stop harassing me.
  273. 5:14
  274. ShawnHowellsCP
  275. I am not harassing you.
  276. 5:14
  277. Elchzard
  278. Please stop harassing me.
  279. 5:15
  280. ShawnHowellsCP
  281. Please, tell me what I have said that is harassful, so I may stop.
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