[8/31/2016 10:01:29 PM] Elazar Keon: I love this mindset
[8/31/2016 10:02:38 PM] Elazar Keon: We don't have anything to lose
[8/31/2016 10:03:09 PM] Elazar Keon: it is very, like our own mindset :)
[8/31/2016 10:03:46 PM] Elazar Keon: put simply
[8/31/2016 10:03:54 PM] Elazar Keon: I will now explain my plan, in your same sense
[8/31/2016 10:03:57 PM] Elazar Keon: or framework
[8/31/2016 10:04:16 PM] Elazar Keon: we were hoping that gree would recover his alliance
[8/31/2016 10:04:26 PM] Elazar Keon: or at least their capacity to defend their sov and be a strong ally
[8/31/2016 10:04:30 PM] Elazar Keon: after their whole coup thing
[8/31/2016 10:04:35 PM] Elazar Keon: this is obviously not the case
[8/31/2016 10:04:51 PM] Elazar Keon: and I see a lot of synergy between our play style and interests
[8/31/2016 10:04:59 PM] Elazar Keon: so without making any promises
[8/31/2016 10:05:16 PM] Elazar Keon: we would be interested to work in a more cooperative format in the [near] future
[8/31/2016 10:05:40 PM] Elazar Keon: my question then is, while this is still a broad topic, to what extent would you be interested in cooperating?
[8/31/2016 10:06:40 PM] Fawlty7: I think the better question would be what do you expect?
[8/31/2016 10:07:21 PM] Elazar Keon: the sky is the limit really, but you must understand, we have some constraints
[8/31/2016 10:08:55 PM] Fawlty7: Well heres my POV I guess
[8/31/2016 10:08:59 PM] Fawlty7: I don't mind working with people
[8/31/2016 10:09:08 PM] Fawlty7: But I still want general pvp etc obviously
[8/31/2016 10:09:12 PM] Fawlty7: I was in goons for over 3.5years
[8/31/2016 10:09:18 PM] Fawlty7: I don't like the big blue thing that much
[8/31/2016 10:10:00 PM] Elazar Keon: again, our mind sets )))
[8/31/2016 10:10:10 PM] Elazar Keon: its why we have taken a new approach with catch
[8/31/2016 10:10:20 PM] Elazar Keon: inviting volt to take more of northern catch as frenemies instead
[8/31/2016 10:10:46 PM] Elazar Keon: sw is slowly slimming down
[8/31/2016 10:10:53 PM] Fawlty7: Also
[8/31/2016 10:11:02 PM] Fawlty7: I spoke to swords when I first took 4-0
[8/31/2016 10:11:33 PM] Fawlty7: And they said that they/SW are recovering
[8/31/2016 10:11:38 PM] Fawlty7: And don't want to fight etc
[8/31/2016 10:11:46 PM] Fawlty7: So that made me think to do it more
[8/31/2016 10:11:53 PM] Fawlty7: Because if I could take something, why wouldn't I :P
[8/31/2016 10:12:02 PM] Elazar Keon: yes ^^
[8/31/2016 10:12:06 PM] Elazar Keon: this is their weak mindset
[8/31/2016 10:12:12 PM] Elazar Keon: and a disappointment to us
[8/31/2016 10:12:17 PM] Fawlty7: They tried to offer me space that they didn't own
[8/31/2016 10:12:22 PM] Fawlty7: The querious pocket
[8/31/2016 10:12:38 PM] Fawlty7: Also you know what happened with the Fortizar fight?
[8/31/2016 10:12:47 PM] Elazar Keon: I think I was there )))
[8/31/2016 10:12:57 PM] Elazar Keon: we haven't made too much effort, as you can probably tell
[8/31/2016 10:13:07 PM] Fawlty7: Yes
[8/31/2016 10:13:13 PM] Elazar Keon: we are most interested, from our internal perspective, between you and me of course, just to see what you guys can do
[8/31/2016 10:13:29 PM] Fawlty7: I see
[8/31/2016 10:13:37 PM] Fawlty7: The reason that I batphoned for that timer
[8/31/2016 10:13:40 PM] Elazar Keon: and basically interested to see if our beloved gree can catch his footing
[8/31/2016 10:13:57 PM] Fawlty7: Was because Gree told us that he was going to call SU/SW and blob us with hundreds and supers
[8/31/2016 10:13:59 PM] Fawlty7: So I called my friends
[8/31/2016 10:14:03 PM] Elazar Keon: yes I know :D
[8/31/2016 10:14:18 PM] Elazar Keon: he is stupid to make such claims he has no means for pulling that trigger
[8/31/2016 10:14:25 PM] Elazar Keon: and for the supers you did kill
[8/31/2016 10:14:36 PM] Elazar Keon: they were retards who didn't listen and thought they were... dare I say it.. SUPER cool :D
[8/31/2016 10:14:51 PM] Elazar Keon: so there is no hard feelings
[8/31/2016 10:15:15 PM] Elazar Keon: we are guilty of batphoning too, and in my personal opinion, to an extent that is far beyond what I deem acceptable for an alliance our size
[8/31/2016 10:15:30 PM] Elazar Keon: but that's another issue
[8/31/2016 10:15:37 PM] Elazar Keon: so anyway
[8/31/2016 10:16:01 PM] Fawlty7: Well the way I looked at this
[8/31/2016 10:16:09 PM] Fawlty7: My alliance is about the same size as swords
[8/31/2016 10:16:14 PM] Fawlty7: We can put 60-70 in fleet in autz
[8/31/2016 10:16:17 PM] Fawlty7: Swords can barely do 25
[8/31/2016 10:16:32 PM] Fawlty7: All the numbers for that fortizar fight was SU
[8/31/2016 10:17:14 PM] Elazar Keon: yes
[8/31/2016 10:17:19 PM] Elazar Keon: its sad tbh
[8/31/2016 10:17:23 PM] Elazar Keon: but it happens
[8/31/2016 10:17:40 PM] Fawlty7: Yeah
[8/31/2016 10:18:01 PM] Elazar Keon: I want you to think about this idea of cooperation
[8/31/2016 10:18:06 PM] Elazar Keon: and what it can mean for the two of us
[8/31/2016 10:18:25 PM] Fawlty7: I am not against cooperation
[8/31/2016 10:18:33 PM] Fawlty7: However I would ask what would be on the table for us
[8/31/2016 10:18:44 PM] Fawlty7: because Swords hold way too much sov for their size
[8/31/2016 10:18:45 PM] Elazar Keon: this has to remain strictly between you and me
[8/31/2016 10:18:58 PM] Fawlty7: Diplo stuff is between us
[8/31/2016 10:19:08 PM] Elazar Keon: as you can imagine, it doesn't look pretty when an ally is seen appearing to throw one under the bus
[8/31/2016 10:19:24 PM] Elazar Keon: but you guys are the kinds of friends we wanted to have out of swords, but never really got
[8/31/2016 10:19:34 PM] Elazar Keon: and if you can beat them from their sov
[8/31/2016 10:19:47 PM] Elazar Keon: well, i don't see why you cant just replace them, in our eyes
[8/31/2016 10:20:53 PM] Elazar Keon: not just with sov, and moons and whatever pixel things
[8/31/2016 10:21:00 PM] Elazar Keon: but as partners in blood and battle :)
[8/31/2016 10:21:45 PM] Fawlty7: I don't know if you know how delve was or not
[8/31/2016 10:21:59 PM] Fawlty7: But we are friends with LUMPY, they let us grow and take sov in delve and develop
[8/31/2016 10:22:05 PM] Fawlty7: And we are still good friends with them
[8/31/2016 10:22:12 PM] Fawlty7: But we were neutral for the most of the time
[8/31/2016 10:22:32 PM] Fawlty7: And we all worked well together
[8/31/2016 10:22:34 PM] Elazar Keon: I'm not worried that we can come to some kind of agreement you find appealing
[8/31/2016 10:22:44 PM] Elazar Keon: old stainwagon used to be the same
[8/31/2016 10:22:57 PM] Elazar Keon: only blueing when under threat of invasion or common objective
[8/31/2016 10:23:02 PM] Fawlty7: yeah
[8/31/2016 10:23:12 PM] Elazar Keon: we have been betrayed a lot recently
[8/31/2016 10:23:29 PM] Elazar Keon: thus we have a long list of traitors to follow up and kill :P
[8/31/2016 10:23:39 PM] Fawlty7: One thing that I try and do in eve personally with anything that I do. If I say I will do something, I keep my word
[8/31/2016 10:23:48 PM] Fawlty7: AUTZ is a small timezone
[8/31/2016 10:23:52 PM] Fawlty7: Id rather be trusted
[8/31/2016 10:24:12 PM] Elazar Keon: same
[8/31/2016 10:24:51 PM] Elazar Keon: i really think we should arrange a meeting between ourselves and yourselves at some point in the near future
[8/31/2016 10:25:04 PM] Fawlty7: Well I am not against that
[8/31/2016 10:25:21 PM] Fawlty7: But what about DV?
[8/31/2016 10:25:30 PM] Elazar Keon: DV?
[8/31/2016 10:25:36 PM] Fawlty7: Dangerous Voltage
[8/31/2016 10:25:43 PM] Elazar Keon: skys the limit :)
[8/31/2016 10:25:46 PM] Fawlty7: Have you had any contact with them?
[8/31/2016 10:25:48 PM] Elazar Keon: no
[8/31/2016 10:25:56 PM] Elazar Keon: if you want to bring them over
[8/31/2016 10:26:01 PM] Elazar Keon: we are more than happy
[8/31/2016 10:26:07 PM] Elazar Keon: the more the merrier
[8/31/2016 10:26:18 PM] Elazar Keon: catch is a very dynamic place
[8/31/2016 10:26:57 PM] Fawlty7: Indeed
[8/31/2016 10:27:05 PM] Fawlty7: I will also make this open
[8/31/2016 10:27:14 PM] Fawlty7: I am trying to take this const because when we looked at it
[8/31/2016 10:27:21 PM] Fawlty7: we said we may as well go for the best or nothing
[8/31/2016 10:28:03 PM] Elazar Keon: think about how you wanna do the sov stuff
[8/31/2016 10:28:10 PM] Elazar Keon: and maybe draw some lines on a map for me
[8/31/2016 10:28:27 PM] Fawlty7: My plan at the moment
[8/31/2016 10:28:38 PM] Fawlty7: The BRP2-K const is my goal
[8/31/2016 10:28:51 PM] Fawlty7: I don't think my alliance could hold anymore than that effectively
[8/31/2016 10:29:39 PM] Elazar Keon: i think you can do more, if you wanted, personally
[8/31/2016 10:29:54 PM] Fawlty7: I wouldn't want to try hold more than I can
[8/31/2016 10:30:01 PM] Elazar Keon: and from an official standpoint, you are still our enemies
[8/31/2016 10:30:08 PM] Fawlty7: DV might be interested as well but it would depend on the 'agreement'
[8/31/2016 10:30:16 PM] Elazar Keon: but unofficially, we will not make any real effort to defend swords
[8/31/2016 10:30:40 PM] Fawlty7: Okay
[8/31/2016 10:30:43 PM] Fawlty7: Interesting to know
[8/31/2016 10:30:54 PM] Fawlty7: My biggest hurdle at the moment is probably swords setting their sov out of autz :P
[8/31/2016 10:31:14 PM] Elazar Keon: yeh sorry about that
[8/31/2016 10:31:19 PM] Elazar Keon: i hate to admit, that was my idea
[8/31/2016 10:31:22 PM] Fawlty7: haha
[8/31/2016 10:31:22 PM] Elazar Keon: eating my words
[8/31/2016 10:31:29 PM] Fawlty7: I'm honestly surprised they didn't do it earlier