hon gossip

a #hongeneral exclusive

HONGENERAL EXCLUSIVE, YOU HEARD ME


Session Start: Wed Aug 11 14:57:11 2010
Session Ident: S2Fielding
[14:57] Session Ident: S2Fielding (ChattingAway, Penance) ([email protected])
[14:57] <s2fielding>so
[14:57] <s2fielding>I'm not sure what your problem is
[14:57] <penance>Hm?
[14:57] <s2fielding>by the posts I made regarding "not being able" to do tundra aura was more truth than we've been able to give in the past
[14:57] <s2fielding>annnnnnnd you're villifying us for it
[14:57] <s2fielding>trust me if we could tell you guys the whole story we'd love to
[14:57] <penance>You are actually, not able to, for unknown reasons?
[14:57] <penance>You can't
[14:57] <s2fielding>would change player perception of everything in our favor pretty significantly
[14:57] <penance>Like, legally, cannot?
[14:58] <s2fielding>correct
[14:58] <s2fielding>as i've said all along
[14:58] <s2fielding>it's not a choice
[14:58] <s2fielding>do you have any relation to shawn presser?
[14:58] <penance>Can I ask innocent questions without you getting in trouble
[14:58] <penance>uh
[14:58] <penance>sort of, why
[14:58] <s2fielding>well, that's the only reason you didn't get banned, I figured you were a friend of his
[14:58] <penance>Oh. k
[14:58] <s2fielding>the general attitude/sentiment you're stirring up in irc is markedly unproductive
[14:59] <s2fielding>not that it's normally productive in there :)
[14:59] <penance>I'm really wondering what could possibly be holding you guys back
[14:59] <s2fielding>but I actually hopped on to float some questions around
[14:59] <penance>So again, can I ask innocent questions?
[14:59] <s2fielding>i'd love to tell you too :)
[14:59] <s2fielding>I'll respond to what i can
[14:59] <penance>Was it something that was signed?
[15:00] <s2fielding>can't answer directly, but I can answer your question with another: isn't that normally how legal matters tend to operate?
[15:01] <penance>I see
[15:01] <s2fielding>i should say, any info you manage to "glean" out of me here, either don't repeat it elsewhere or be very.. selective with how you reveal it
[15:01] <s2fielding>if you stumble across theories/information yourself, that's fine
[15:01] <s2fielding>we have no responsibility over what our players conjure up themselves
[15:01] <s2fielding>i will say that semblances of the truth have been floating around on the internet.. if someone were to connect all the dots, it wouldn't be that much fo a stretch
[15:02] <s2fielding>just it seems like no one is really looking
[15:03] <penance>I see
[15:03] <penance>I'd guess it has something to do with Valve/Icefrog though, sadly
[15:04] <penance>Still can't imagine how you managed to get screwed out of taking simple ideas. Rather harsh.
[15:05] <s2fielding>any restrictions that we may or may not have on our current development may not be permanent
[15:05] <s2fielding>we are not resigned to accept anything
[15:06] <penance>Interesting choice of words
[15:06] <s2fielding>between you and me, sniper is probably the last port we'll do for a while
[15:06] <penance>ouch :(
[15:06] <s2fielding>tackling the "minefield" of what we can and can't use is unhealthy both for us (perception and otherwise) and the playerbase
[15:07] <penance>I think originals and just general game optimization is a good start
[15:07] <penance>Edging your way through things doesn't seem like the way to go. People, including myself, are baffled enough as it is with the Tundra aura.
[15:07] <s2fielding>we'll do more ports, just going to focus on some original content for a bit
[15:07] <s2fielding>yes, which is why i made the post that I did
[15:08] <s2fielding>I would lose faith in S2 if I thought it was a choice or that they were being stubborn or something
[15:08] <penance>Well I failed to see what could possibly hold you guys back
[15:08] <s2fielding>I was hoping you guys could read through that in my post, but apparently i was too vague
[15:08] <penance>but with some of your wording I'm starting to see what's going on
[15:09] <s2fielding>well, if you could use your new found knowledge to shed perspective to other players, that would be fantastic. you're smart enough to come to accurate conclusoins through deductive reasoning, independent of our conversation... follow?
[15:10] <penance>I think so.
[15:10] <s2fielding>people SHOULD be pissed, just not at us. and that's probably more than I should say, think I'll end it there
[15:10] <penance>I think I have an idea what to look for
[15:10] <penance>Since I've already seen Valve with Dota copyrights coming.
[15:11] <s2fielding>i can say that we have absolute legal rights to use everything we have used, to the point that we consider ourselves to have ownership of that material and valve shouldn't use it
[15:11] <s2fielding>that was for your info only, again.. don't repeat that bit :) it just may give you some more insight
[15:12] <penance>More or less it's a epeen fight that Valve has started
[15:12] <penance>'we want this, you can't have it'
[15:15] <penance>http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&amp;entry=85102245
[15:15] <s2fielding>completely innocent random question, TOTALLY off topic... did you see the letter pendragon had put up on dota-allstars when he decided to shut it down?
[15:15] <penance>This the type of stuff I should be looking for?
[15:15] <penance>Yes
[15:44] <penance>From what I'm getting. Icefrog worked with you guys until sometime in 2009. I'd guess around June. Dota 6.60 came out on June 10th. I'd guess that changes were being worked on mutually which is why some can be used, some can't, and why you're being edgy with porting things. Also why certain things (Blood Chalice) could still be ported since you asked the original creator.
[15:44] <penance>On the right track?
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[15:46] <s2fielding>i can't talk about this.
[15:46] <s2fielding>random side note, unrelated, you, sir, are a perceptive young man!
[15:46] <penance>Gotcha
[15:46] <penance>Have a good day. :) I wont bash S2 anymore. :P
[15:46] <penance>Or you
[15:46] <s2fielding>appreciated
[15:47] <s2fielding>not that i blame you, with the info you had
[15:47] <s2fielding>:)
[15:49] <penance>User based opinions on 'why' S2 can't do anything are eligible for discussion, correct
[15:49] <penance>As long as I don't quote you
[16:34] <penance>http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=12261920#post12261920 If I've said anything I shouldn't of, delete it out and my apologies.
[16:34] S2Fielding is away: I'm not here right now
[16:43] <s2fielding>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZGNFmugLS4#t=01m
[16:44] <penance>I've always loved the cryptic messages Shawn gives me. Yours are even better.
Session Close: Wed Aug 11 20:00:24 2010