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  1. [4/26/2016 9:39:05 PM] *** Impromi SMS would like to add you on Skype
  2.  
  3. Hi Pythonideus, I'd like to add you as a contact. ***
  4. [4/26/2016 9:39:20 PM] *** Pythonideus has shared contact details with Impromi SMS. ***
  5. [4/26/2016 9:39:23 PM] Impromi SMS: Hello, you sent me your ID on BitcoinTalk
  6. [4/26/2016 9:39:30 PM] Pythonideus: Hey how's it going
  7. [4/26/2016 9:39:40 PM] Impromi SMS: Great. You?
  8. [4/26/2016 9:40:09 PM] Pythonideus: Good.
  9. [4/26/2016 9:40:20 PM] Pythonideus: Your post basically had no information so explain to me what it is you're looking for.
  10. [4/26/2016 9:41:33 PM] Impromi SMS: OK, please indulge me as I try to explain this.
  11. [4/26/2016 9:42:55 PM] Impromi SMS: First, I have been working on a system for about 3 years now and I want to use the product of that system as the basic algorithm for driving a Bitcoin-like blockchain.
  12. [4/26/2016 9:45:24 PM] Impromi SMS: I don't have the technical skills to develop the project I am proposing, but I am willing to pay for the development of the initial concept. Which was why I came on the forum.
  13.  
  14. The concept I was proposing was to have a mining algorithm that is based on Events and have each event being preconditioned on the presence of 3 variables: 1. The independent variable, 2. The Dependent variable and 3. The Conditional variable. These variables can have positive, negative or neutral values.
  15. [4/26/2016 9:46:09 PM] Impromi SMS: This is the basic idea behind the project. Simply, I am hoping to get suggestions on how to turn Generic Numerical Variables into "Generic" Categorical Variables.
  16. [4/26/2016 9:48:50 PM] Impromi SMS: By achieving this, the blockchain would be a living network which creates values when an event (a solution, an answer, a result) emerges from the 3 preceeding variables.
  17. [4/26/2016 9:49:12 PM] Impromi SMS: Does this make sense so far?
  18. [4/26/2016 9:50:50 PM] Pythonideus: Not really
  19. [4/26/2016 9:51:08 PM] Pythonideus: Let's say the 3 variables are known for one block right
  20. [4/26/2016 9:51:13 PM] Pythonideus: what do you want to happen with them
  21. [4/26/2016 9:51:21 PM] Pythonideus: like what do they determine
  22. [4/26/2016 9:51:36 PM] Pythonideus: block value? when the block is sent? block time?
  23. [4/26/2016 9:56:11 PM] Impromi SMS: Honestly, I was thinking of having a limited amount of blocks capable of being generated in a second. When the network is not over loaded, the network will retain the generated blocks or buy back some blocks to maintain a stable value. When the network is over loaded with requests, then it can generate more blocks to meet the immediate need.
  24. [4/26/2016 9:57:26 PM] Pythonideus: buy back some blocks to maintain a stable value
  25. [4/26/2016 9:57:27 PM | Edited 9:57:32 PM] Pythonideus: there is no way to do this
  26. [4/26/2016 9:57:37 PM] Pythonideus: unless you mean remove the blocks completely
  27. [4/26/2016 9:57:55 PM] Impromi SMS: Let me explain.
  28. [4/26/2016 9:59:22 PM] Impromi SMS: If the network of users are contributing there computing power to solve problems, it would be unfair to pay somebody more in the morning and another less in the evening for the same job.
  29. [4/26/2016 9:59:55 PM] Impromi SMS: It would be wrong also for also to manipulate the system to achieve a different result.
  30. [4/26/2016 10:02:37 PM] Impromi SMS: According, if you have an intelligent blockchain that is able to see the trend, it can also use its derived fees to pay for services when it is cheap and recover its payment when the price goes up. This would help maintain a more stable value.
  31. [4/26/2016 10:02:48 PM] Pythonideus: Honestly, I was thinking of having a limited amount of blocks capable of being generated in a second.This is called difficulty and it's already part of Bitcoin.
  32. [4/26/2016 10:03:09 PM] Pythonideus: When the network is over loaded with requests, then it can generate more blocks to meet the immediate need.You can do this by changing the difficulty based on the # of transactions in each block
  33. [4/26/2016 10:04:07 PM] Impromi SMS: Yes, it is a similar concept for for value.
  34. [4/26/2016 10:04:12 PM] Pythonideus: Also there's no way to make the blockchain interact with exchanges without hardcoding in an exchange API
  35. [4/26/2016 10:04:25 PM] Pythonideus: which is a bad bad bad idea
  36. [4/26/2016 10:04:32 PM] Pythonideus: unless the exchange is part of the overall platform
  37. [4/26/2016 10:05:01 PM] Impromi SMS: That should be hardcoded otherwise it woud fluctuate unreasonably.
  38. [4/26/2016 10:05:33 PM] Impromi SMS: But the coin should not be used for trading outside of the network.
  39. [4/26/2016 10:05:50 PM] Impromi SMS: It should only be used for services on the network
  40. [4/26/2016 10:06:17 PM] Impromi SMS: This eliminates AML concerns upfront.
  41. [4/26/2016 10:06:52 PM] Pythonideus: You don't really need to worry about money laundering tbh
  42. [4/26/2016 10:07:00 PM] Pythonideus: and that doesn't eliminate aml concerns
  43. [4/26/2016 10:07:14 PM] Impromi SMS: Let me explain.
  44. [4/26/2016 10:10:14 PM] Impromi SMS: If you are using a network that creates values based on services and products built on the network, any money generated on that network is not separable from the event. If the event is illegal, those receiving your funds would be know the source because event Event is accounted for.
  45. [4/26/2016 10:11:00 PM] Pythonideus: ok so you're saying when a transaction occurs the blockchain records which service is being used for the transaction?
  46. [4/26/2016 10:11:11 PM] Impromi SMS: Exactly
  47. [4/26/2016 10:11:59 PM] Pythonideus: So people can't just send each other coins?
  48. [4/26/2016 10:12:26 PM] Impromi SMS: And if I am dealing with you legitimately and you want to make a payment, I can reject your funds if it is a flagged account or source or category.
  49. [4/26/2016 10:13:08 PM] Impromi SMS: They can
  50. [4/26/2016 10:15:02 PM] Impromi SMS: Remember, I said my hope is that it won't be a tradable fund. I will have secondary funds which you can buy at any exchange for any denomination you are interested in. That is what you can send and trade. But that is not directly connected to the blockchain.
  51. [4/26/2016 10:15:41 PM] Impromi SMS: Example:
  52. [4/26/2016 10:16:13 PM] Impromi SMS: Say the primary fund or coin is called Skype
  53. [4/26/2016 10:17:26 PM] Impromi SMS: They you will have SkypeUSD and SkypeEUR which are not related to use but rather are community created and regulated.
  54. [4/26/2016 10:20:02 PM] Impromi SMS: If you use your primary Skype to buy SkypeUSD and the value of dollar falls, you lose. But if you keep it in the Primary Skype, then the Primary Skype will maintain its value which I hope would be the average of all SkypeXXX on any given day.
  55. [4/26/2016 10:20:36 PM] Impromi SMS: That's why I think the Exchange API needs to be hardcoded into the system
  56. [4/26/2016 10:21:24 PM] Impromi SMS: Now, this is the more important aspect: Privacy
  57. [4/26/2016 10:22:24 PM] Impromi SMS: The system I am proposing will make a clear distinction between anonymity and privacy.
  58. [4/26/2016 10:23:29 PM] Pythonideus: If people can just send each other coins you can forget ALM honestly
  59. [4/26/2016 10:23:50 PM] Pythonideus: if you can exchange your coin for the secondary fund and people can trade the secondary fund, they can effectively trade the main coin
  60. [4/26/2016 10:24:14 PM] Pythonideus: and there's not any way to protect against that without removing anonymity
  61. [4/26/2016 10:26:08 PM] Impromi SMS: Yes. The way it is now. But if we make it that to trade the primary coin, you have to give away your account information and your account to be valuable has gained reputation worth the amount on it, then there is a disincentive.
  62. [4/26/2016 10:26:26 PM] Pythonideus: ok so you have to use a public username
  63. [4/26/2016 10:26:35 PM] Pythonideus: and there's some kind of trust system?
  64. [4/26/2016 10:26:41 PM] Impromi SMS: Yes.
  65. [4/26/2016 10:28:26 PM] Impromi SMS: And if you have 10k worth of coins in your wallet, your reputation is worth more than 10k. And again, don't forget, is community driven which means you cannot do crap if you are not connected to people who know you.
  66. [4/26/2016 10:30:31 PM] Pythonideus: ok so you have a username and the blockchain displays who sent what to who, right?
  67. [4/26/2016 10:30:36 PM] Impromi SMS: Your activities though are 100% private, but discoverable. Which means, the network encrypts and secures the information, but if anyone needs information on you, they have to pay the network a lot of coins for the power to find and decrypt the info.
  68. [4/26/2016 10:31:28 PM] Pythonideus: so not 100% private xD
  69. [4/26/2016 10:32:31 PM] Impromi SMS: LOL. True, but if the community considers the person reputable they can refuse to grant the power to discover him.
  70. [4/26/2016 10:32:41 PM] Pythonideus: so if it costs money to read who sent what to who, how do you verify that coins aren't coming from a tainted source?
  71. [4/26/2016 10:32:56 PM] Pythonideus: if the source isn't known to be tainted
  72. [4/26/2016 10:33:01 PM] Pythonideus: like how would anyone ever find that out
  73. [4/26/2016 10:33:21 PM] Impromi SMS: There have to be verifications.
  74. [4/26/2016 10:33:55 PM] Pythonideus: so if the community finds out x person is a thief or whatever the network blacklists their wallet
  75. [4/26/2016 10:33:56 PM] Pythonideus: right?
  76. [4/26/2016 10:34:05 PM] Pythonideus: well not their wallet, their username
  77. [4/26/2016 10:34:13 PM] Pythonideus: and deletes their coins presumably?
  78. [4/26/2016 10:34:34 PM] Impromi SMS: You can't delete a coin that has been created
  79. [4/26/2016 10:34:59 PM] Pythonideus: you can do something similar though
  80. [4/26/2016 10:35:10 PM] Pythonideus: you can force all their coins to get sent somewhere
  81. [4/26/2016 10:35:14 PM] Impromi SMS: How?
  82. [4/26/2016 10:35:41 PM] Impromi SMS: I was coming to wallets
  83. [4/26/2016 10:36:09 PM] Pythonideus: I'm not actually sure, I'll have to look into the code.
  84. [4/26/2016 10:36:26 PM] Pythonideus: gimme a sec
  85. [4/26/2016 10:37:06 PM] Impromi SMS: My approach is that if Developers develop wallets for users, there funds will be publicly stored in those wallets and the users will be privately stored.
  86. [4/26/2016 10:38:10 PM] Pythonideus: privately stored by who
  87. [4/26/2016 10:38:12 PM] Impromi SMS: Remember the network has intrinsic value, so the creation of a wallet by a user is an event and he gets paid when his wallet is downloaded
  88. [4/26/2016 10:38:14 PM] Pythonideus: and what users, what funds
  89. [4/26/2016 10:38:34 PM] Pythonideus: oh I see what you're saying
  90. [4/26/2016 10:38:39 PM] Pythonideus: you said developer so you confused me
  91. [4/26/2016 10:38:39 PM] Impromi SMS: Good
  92. [4/26/2016 10:39:02 PM] Impromi SMS: When I download a wallet the creator gets paid
  93. [4/26/2016 10:39:04 PM] Pythonideus: When you say creation of a wallet do you mean when someone boots up a new wallet or when an actual new version of the wallet is developed?
  94. [4/26/2016 10:39:08 PM] Pythonideus: ah ok
  95. [4/26/2016 10:39:19 PM] Pythonideus: just automatically or from your money?
  96. [4/26/2016 10:39:52 PM] Pythonideus: because if it's automatic unscrupulous developers can just spam new wallet creation and get a bunch of money from the network
  97. [4/26/2016 10:40:03 PM] Impromi SMS: Good. His coins are saved in the wallet he created for everyone. So the more popular the wallet the richer the developer.
  98. [4/26/2016 10:40:05 PM] Pythonideus: unless it only does it for certain reputation values
  99. [4/26/2016 10:40:28 PM] Pythonideus: Yes but he can just make a script that says make new account, download wallet, repeat
  100. [4/26/2016 10:40:37 PM] Pythonideus: and every time the network sees "New user downloaded wallet" he gets $
  101. [4/26/2016 10:41:10 PM] Pythonideus: unless, like I said, you only get money if the user issuing the event has a certain reputation
  102. [4/26/2016 10:41:19 PM] Pythonideus: maybe when a service is added have a min rep value
  103. [4/26/2016 10:41:20 PM] Impromi SMS: When a hacker wants to target that wallet, the best target would be the developers because it has more funds than most
  104. [4/26/2016 10:41:33 PM] Pythonideus: so the event can only be issued if the person doing the event has a certain rep
  105. [4/26/2016 10:42:02 PM] Impromi SMS: Yes. Everything is ratings and reputation.
  106. [4/26/2016 10:42:21 PM] Pythonideus: ok, gotcha
  107. [4/26/2016 10:43:24 PM] Pythonideus: So what exactly were you trying to get in exchange for that bitcoin? I can give you an overview of how to accomplish each feature you want (not going to write the code or get super technical) if you want
  108. [4/26/2016 10:44:15 PM] Impromi SMS: Good and if someone is trying to get into an account using alternative means, you can select a given amount that can be deposited in your account before the means are tried. In that way, if you have too much funds, you can select a high amount that a hacker would not want to risk
  109. [4/26/2016 10:45:16 PM] Pythonideus: Meaning it costs money to access the account?
  110. [4/26/2016 10:45:22 PM] Impromi SMS: yes
  111. [4/26/2016 10:45:36 PM] Pythonideus: so you can only access it if you have multiple accounts?
  112. [4/26/2016 10:45:58 PM] Impromi SMS: No
  113. [4/26/2016 10:46:17 PM] Pythonideus: How do you login then, if all your funds are in the account and you need to pay to log in?
  114. [4/26/2016 10:46:18 PM] Impromi SMS: The coin is different from the account
  115. [4/26/2016 10:48:08 PM] Impromi SMS: The coin is a string of code that can be in your hardware (phone, laptop etc), when it hits the network with some instructions then your account is affect. We have to achieve that separation
  116. [4/26/2016 10:48:50 PM] Pythonideus: So you don't want to have to have access to the account to send the coins?
  117. [4/26/2016 10:50:25 PM] Pythonideus: If you need to access the account to send money, and you need to send money to access the account, how does that work? And if you don't need to access the account to send money why would anyone want to hack it
  118. [4/26/2016 10:50:54 PM] Impromi SMS: If you have the right keys of a Bitcoin user, you can screw them. If someone has the right keys, they can interact with the network to achieve their goals without "signing in"
  119. [4/26/2016 10:51:13 PM] Pythonideus: So the account is for community stuff, it doesn't imply access to the coins?
  120. [4/26/2016 10:51:53 PM] Pythonideus: If the account is for the coins then there's not really any way to acheive what you're saying unless I'm just misunderstanding it. Maybe you could try rephrasing
  121. [4/26/2016 10:52:30 PM] Impromi SMS: Yes. When it comes to transacting, human errors are possible, but on the blockchain, the room for errors must be kept to the minimum. So lets keep it to mining.
  122. [4/26/2016 10:54:00 PM] Impromi SMS: I am even thing of people assisting the network to solve problems and then being paid by the network which then using the learned solution for solving future problems in similar categories.
  123. [4/26/2016 10:54:19 PM] Pythonideus: problems like what
  124. [4/26/2016 10:54:27 PM] Impromi SMS: I am even thinking*
  125. [4/26/2016 10:54:50 PM] Pythonideus: What exactly did you want me to do for you? I got on here to try and understand what it is you're proposing and that's starting to come together.
  126. [4/26/2016 10:54:52 PM] Impromi SMS: Any problem that anyone can imagine. G
  127. [4/26/2016 10:56:25 PM] Pythonideus: I'm about to get disconnected for a second, be right back. You can keep typing
  128. [4/26/2016 10:56:33 PM] Impromi SMS: I want to present idea professionally and have people suggest an approach for it development. But I lack the language and I am not trying to "own this", I want to realize it
  129. [4/26/2016 10:56:55 PM] Pythonideus: So you want me to write a whitepaper for you?
  130. [4/26/2016 10:57:02 PM] Impromi SMS: I want you to guide me.
  131. [4/26/2016 10:57:08 PM] Impromi SMS: Yes.
  132. [4/26/2016 10:57:33 PM] Impromi SMS: And then lead while I tag along
  133. [4/26/2016 10:58:05 PM] Pythonideus: I can definitely write the whitepaper for you for a bitcoin but leading a dev team for a coin like this is a long process that takes a lot of effort
  134. [4/26/2016 10:58:06 PM] Impromi SMS: I can present it like you, but I have only an idea of what can be done
  135. [4/26/2016 10:58:25 PM] Impromi SMS: I can't present*
  136. [4/26/2016 10:59:04 PM] Impromi SMS: True, but if you can't do it what do you think will be my fate? LOL\
  137. [4/26/2016 10:59:18 PM] Pythonideus: I didn't say I can't, but definitely not for 1 btc
  138. [4/26/2016 10:59:42 PM] Impromi SMS: I am not talk of 1BTC
  139. [4/26/2016 10:59:47 PM] Pythonideus: What's your budget?
  140. [4/26/2016 11:00:03 PM] Impromi SMS: For the Whitepaper?
  141. [4/26/2016 11:00:15 PM] Pythonideus: Sure
  142. [4/26/2016 11:00:23 PM] Impromi SMS: 1BTC
  143. [4/26/2016 11:00:24 PM] Pythonideus: and for the whole project
  144. [4/26/2016 11:00:43 PM] Impromi SMS: Whatever comes from the crowdfunding
  145. [4/26/2016 11:02:07 PM] Pythonideus: Ok let's start with the whitepaper, I probably won't manage the project because it really is a massive undertaking and if I took any money from crowdfunding for myself it'd jeapordize the integrity of the coin
  146. [4/26/2016 11:03:05 PM] Impromi SMS: But the 1BTC will definitely be recovered by me, a million fold.
  147. [4/26/2016 11:03:55 PM] Pythonideus: I agree that if this project succeeds it'd be really big
  148. [4/26/2016 11:03:56 PM] Impromi SMS: It is the seed fund from which the blockchain grows.
  149. [4/26/2016 11:04:44 PM] Impromi SMS: That is why I want it to align closely to the Bitcoin design so we don't reinvent the wheel
  150. [4/26/2016 11:05:24 PM] Pythonideus: Yeah making your own from scratch would be pointless when you can just copy bitcoin and modify it
  151. [4/26/2016 11:05:44 PM] Pythonideus: How do you want to handle the payment for the whitepaper?
  152. [4/26/2016 11:06:09 PM] Impromi SMS: Do we use an Escrow service?
  153. [4/26/2016 11:06:25 PM] Pythonideus: We could but they charge fees.
  154. [4/26/2016 11:06:41 PM] Impromi SMS: I don't mind.
  155. [4/26/2016 11:07:08 PM] Pythonideus: Ok
  156. [4/26/2016 11:07:46 PM] Pythonideus: Can you do some kind of initial deposit? Like 0.2 then 0.8 to escrow or something so I know I'm not wasting my time.
  157. [4/26/2016 11:08:13 PM] Impromi SMS: And I need to send you the table of variables that would be at the heart (or driving factor) of the design.
  158. [4/26/2016 11:08:20 PM] Pythonideus: I'm not going to scam you, I have a reputation to uphold. Used to manage one of the biggest mining pools in altcoins and was on the dev team for 2 coins
  159. [4/26/2016 11:08:53 PM] Pythonideus: And currently working on a new coin so if my reputation goes bad right now I lose a lot of money.
  160. [4/26/2016 11:09:00 PM] Pythonideus: Also I sure as fuck would not scam someone for 0.2 bitcoin
  161. [4/26/2016 11:09:23 PM] Impromi SMS: I will rather pay USD for that if you want to chose thatoption.
  162. [4/26/2016 11:09:57 PM] Pythonideus: Through what service?
  163. [4/26/2016 11:10:09 PM] Impromi SMS: If I am transfering funds only, I want to be clear why
  164. [4/26/2016 11:10:22 PM] Impromi SMS: Paypal is OK
  165. [4/26/2016 11:10:42 PM] Pythonideus: I don't use Paypal, they allow people to chargeback really easily.
  166. [4/26/2016 11:10:56 PM] Pythonideus: Any method of payment through USD actually is subject to chargeback
  167. [4/26/2016 11:11:20 PM] Pythonideus: I'm only going to transact in bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies.
  168. [4/26/2016 11:11:24 PM] Impromi SMS: Why are you concerned about that?
  169. [4/26/2016 11:11:32 PM] Pythonideus: Because people scam a lot.
  170. [4/26/2016 11:11:34 PM] Pythonideus: and you're new
  171. [4/26/2016 11:11:54 PM] Pythonideus: I've been a member on bitcointalk for >3 years
  172. [4/26/2016 11:11:55 PM] Impromi SMS: How can I scam you when you have not done any job already
  173. [4/26/2016 11:12:26 PM] Pythonideus: You could send me $, then when I finish the whitepaper you say it wasn't done to your satisfaction or something to get the escrow cancelled and chargeback.
  174. [4/26/2016 11:12:51 PM] Pythonideus: I suppose if we use a reputable escrow and have clearly defined terms of the agreement it wouldn't be an issue.
  175. [4/26/2016 11:13:16 PM] Impromi SMS: That was my suggestion.
  176. [4/26/2016 11:13:48 PM] Pythonideus: Alright let's just use an escrow.
  177. [4/26/2016 11:14:29 PM] Pythonideus: I was primarily concerned with just not getting anything for a long time but on second thought a whitepaper probably won't take a very long time.
  178. [4/26/2016 11:16:18 PM] Pythonideus: Send me the variables you want considered
  179. [4/26/2016 11:16:46 PM] Impromi SMS: OKie. I will send a reputable one and the table for the blockchain engine. Then you can send me what you will be doing and we can agree that the feasibility of your work will be verified before the payment.
  180. [4/26/2016 11:17:24 PM] Pythonideus: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303281.0
  181. [4/26/2016 11:17:27 PM] Pythonideus: Want to use this guy?
  182. [4/26/2016 11:19:23 PM] Pythonideus: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0 this is a list of escrows
  183. [4/26/2016 11:20:36 PM] Pythonideus: The one I linked was online pretty recently so we might be able to get it set up tonight
  184. [4/26/2016 11:20:59 PM] Impromi SMS: OK I will look into the list and make a choice.
  185. [4/26/2016 11:25:04 PM] *** ***
  186. [4/26/2016 11:26:20 PM] Pythonideus: What is this?
  187. [4/26/2016 11:26:37 PM] Impromi SMS: It was a mistake
  188. [4/26/2016 11:27:49 PM] *** ***
  189. [4/26/2016 11:28:02 PM] Pythonideus: Put it in pastebin
  190. [4/26/2016 11:28:12 PM] Impromi SMS: Okie
  191. [4/26/2016 11:52:14 PM] Pythonideus: Well?
  192. [4/26/2016 11:53:11 PM] Impromi SMS: I was hoping you will tell me if you can use the table I sent you to achieve the goal.
  193. [4/26/2016 11:53:25 PM] Pythonideus: I asked you to put it in a pastebin and you never did
  194. [4/26/2016 11:54:45 PM] Impromi SMS: Forgive me, I thought you would just open the file I sent you. At least to preserve the structure of the table.
  195. [4/26/2016 11:55:40 PM] Pythonideus: I googled the name for the log file you sent and it came up as the name for a trojan
  196. [4/26/2016 11:56:14 PM] Pythonideus: Now there's also a lot of search results that indicate it's harmless, which is why I didn't block you immediately
  197. [4/26/2016 11:56:22 PM] Pythonideus: But I won't be accepting any files
  198. [4/26/2016 11:58:05 PM] Pythonideus: Especially since add in express is a service for Microsoft office and you tried to send a docx file
  199. [4/26/2016 11:58:15 PM] Impromi SMS: I just googled it and saw the same thing
  200. [4/26/2016 11:59:16 PM] Pythonideus: if you want you can take a screenshot with prt scn and send it via imgur.com
  201. [4/26/2016 11:59:21 PM] Pythonideus: to preserve the table structure
  202. [4/27/2016 12:00:27 AM] Pythonideus: Are you going to do that?
  203. [4/27/2016 12:02:48 AM] Impromi SMS: I am working on getting a snip and sending
  204. [4/27/2016 12:11:54 AM] Impromi SMS: You have an account at imgur?
  205. [4/27/2016 12:12:06 AM] Pythonideus: don't need it
  206. [4/27/2016 12:12:13 AM] Pythonideus: just drag the file onto the imgur.com home page
  207. [4/27/2016 12:12:23 AM] Pythonideus: unless you want to hide it
  208. [4/27/2016 12:14:15 AM] Impromi SMS: You don't have an email?
  209. [4/27/2016 12:14:47 AM] Impromi SMS: Why would I place the file publicly?
  210. [4/27/2016 12:19:42 AM] Impromi SMS: Because of the high level of secrecy surrounding you identity and your fear of being scammed for work not done, I am going to stick to the forum.
  211. [4/27/2016 12:20:45 AM] Pythonideus: Fact is I've been around for a long time and have a reputation, you have not and you don't.
  212. [4/27/2016 12:21:43 AM] Pythonideus: You tried to send me something with the name of a trojan and you want to talk about trust?
  213. [4/27/2016 12:21:59 AM] Pythonideus: How about the fact that as soon as I ask you to send me the data in a way that can't possibly affect my computer you start to back out?
  214. [4/27/2016 12:23:36 AM] Impromi SMS: I understand. Based on that, if what I am proposing makes sense, you won't be talk about how to receive 1BTC and if you think it doesn't make sense, then 1BTC becomes a factor. Another member told me he doesn't have the skill but will refer me to folk with the necessary C++ skills. I think I will wait for now until my lack of reputation becomes an issue.
  215. [4/27/2016 12:23:57 AM] Impromi SMS: You know better than that.
  216. [4/27/2016 12:25:00 AM] Pythonideus: Can you rephrase the first part of that?
  217. [4/27/2016 12:25:23 AM] Pythonideus: Based on that, if what I am proposing makes sense, you won't be talk about how to receive 1BTC and if you think it doesn't make sense, then 1BTC becomes a factor.
  218. [4/27/2016 12:25:29 AM] Pythonideus: I don't understand what you're saying
  219. [4/27/2016 12:28:19 AM] Impromi SMS: I may be missing a great opportunity working with you but you sure have made me uncomfortable. If there is substance in what I am proposing, your goal would be to realize that. But focusing on the payment for the whitepaper sounds like a lock in. I rather pay for a competitive consultation than for a closed one, more especially since I am not skilled in this field.
  220. [4/27/2016 12:29:08 AM] Pythonideus: There's definitely substance in your idea but you have to understand that I'm a developer myself, I have my own projects. I can't just take up your coin and make it my primary focus.
  221. [4/27/2016 12:29:29 AM] Pythonideus: I'm willing to help in a small way (making the whitepaper) because I want money but I most likely don't want anything to do with the actual development process
  222. [4/27/2016 12:31:27 AM] Pythonideus: Making a whitepaper isn't a quick process so you can understand why I would want to make sure I'll be paid before investing my time.
  223. [4/27/2016 12:31:44 AM] Impromi SMS: Then how about you help me create a request for a whitepaper by someone who would want something to do with the project? I can post that in BitcoinTalk and receive more offers. I can happily pay you for that.
  224. [4/27/2016 12:32:01 AM] Impromi SMS: I undertstand that.
  225. [4/27/2016 12:32:35 AM] Pythonideus: I can help you make a request thread, sure.
  226. [4/27/2016 12:33:38 AM] Impromi SMS: OK. I have an account on Fiverr,com, can I pay you through that? It show why I am paying you and what would be the cost of preparing the thread?
  227. [4/27/2016 12:34:30 AM] Impromi SMS: Fiverr or Guru is fine
  228. [4/27/2016 12:34:38 AM] Pythonideus: I'd much rather take bitcoin
  229. [4/27/2016 12:35:21 AM] Impromi SMS: The confidence factor is not there anymore and I am sorry but I can't go against my guts
  230. [4/27/2016 12:36:19 AM] Pythonideus: Use an escrow?
  231. [4/27/2016 12:38:05 AM] Impromi SMS: The escrow is not a problem, I am just unsure why someone would not want to receive funds he rightly earns without crypto. If I proceed, that would be considered wilful indifference to obvious flags.
  232. [4/27/2016 12:38:34 AM] Pythonideus: Because I would have to set up an account on whatever service you're using
  233. [4/27/2016 12:39:16 AM] Pythonideus: I'd also have to add my bank account information to those sites and I'd be at risk of a chargeback afterwards
  234. [4/27/2016 12:39:27 AM] Pythonideus: These are basic requirements for any transaction on bitcointalk
  235. [4/27/2016 12:41:01 AM] Impromi SMS: Have you considered that you are more worried about chargebacks but not noting that I am at a greater risk? You seem to imply that I should trust you more than I trust myself. The fact is not lost to me though.
  236. [4/27/2016 12:41:32 AM] Pythonideus: It's more that you should trust me more than I trust you.
  237. [4/27/2016 12:42:12 AM] Pythonideus: This is how things work in this community.
  238. [4/27/2016 12:42:27 AM] Pythonideus: Also you're at 0 risk if we use an escrow.
  239. [4/27/2016 12:42:31 AM] Impromi SMS: I am sorry that you should expect that standard from someone who is supposed to be paying you for a non-unique service.
  240. [4/27/2016 12:42:33 AM] Pythonideus: So explain to me why you're so hesitant.
  241. [4/27/2016 12:43:03 AM] Pythonideus: Because right now you seem pretty sketchy.
  242. [4/27/2016 12:43:33 AM] Impromi SMS: I have already stated that above. I have to go though. Thanks and so for the wasted effort
  243. [4/27/2016 12:44:04 AM] Impromi SMS: *sorry for the wasted.....
  244. [4/27/2016 12:45:57 AM] Impromi SMS: OK. Since I am being accused of being sketchy, I will send this conversation to another senior member of the board who volunteered to recommend the developers, if he asked me to proceed, I will proceed.
  245. [4/27/2016 12:46:06 AM] Impromi SMS: Is that fair?
  246. [4/27/2016 12:46:29 AM] Pythonideus: Go ahead.
  247. [4/27/2016 12:46:48 AM] Impromi SMS: OK thanks will do so then. Have a good everning
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