Kingdom Hearts Wiki Roundtable - July 4, 2014

Session Start: Fri Jul 04 12:59:17 2014
Session Ident: #KHWiki-noticeboard
[12:59] * Now talking in #KHWiki-noticeboard
[12:59] * Topic is 'Welcome to #KHWiki-noticeboard, the official channel for business and wiki-related discussions on the subject of the independent KHWiki! Please refrain from socializing in this channel. You can do so in #KHWiki-social instead. Next Roundtable: July 4th. Check out the current issue of the KHWiki magazine! http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:Magazine/Issue_1'
[12:59] * Set by Xion4ever!482f7d69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.47.125.105 on Tue Jul 01 22:34:56 2014
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[13:19] <+Xion4ever> Alrighty then, here we go.
[13:20] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:Roundtable#Meeting_27.2C_July_04.2C_2014_Agenda
[13:20] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Got the agenda up. Do we wait five minutes
[13:20] <KeybladeSpyMaste> For people to get here?
[13:20] <+Xion4ever> We're twenty minutes past starting time, correct?
[13:20] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah.
[13:21] <+Xion4ever> I think we're okay to begin. We can catch up anyone who later drops in.
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[13:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Cool
[13:21] <+Xion4ever> So, the first point.
[13:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Why aren't we affiliated with the Keyhole yet? If anything, we have a connection deeper than just "affiliates". We're meant to be sister Wikis after all. TheFifteenthMember7tUl9Us.png 22:12, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
[13:22] <+Xion4ever> Since FM isn't here, he requested we save the discussion for next month.
[13:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Oh, okay.
[13:22] <Pea14733> http://pastebin.com/ZFzeW0M7
[13:22] <+Xion4ever> "FM's Agenda Point. Should I not be present, initiate self-destruct and rollover to the next roundtable."
[13:22] <Pea14733> ^These are FM's thoughts
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[13:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> That's for the second item, though
[13:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> isn't it?
[13:23] <Pea14733> Right
[13:23] <Pea14733> Wait, it's for a number of agendas
[13:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> He's on the wiki, right now. Should I get him.
[13:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ?
[13:23] <+Xion4ever> ^ Yeah
[13:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Okay, I've left a message. Still, we could discuss the first point. He meant to rollover the second agenda point.
[13:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> oorrrr. not. I didn't read the pastebin. Sorry.
[13:26] <+Xion4ever> I don't see a problem with adding what FM suggested.
[13:26] <+Xion4ever> Does the Keyhole feel the same way?
[13:27] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Don't know. I don't see anyone here from there. Unless I'm wrong.
[13:27] <+Xion4ever> I wonder if anyone is on their IRC.
[13:27] <+Xion4ever> Nope.
[13:28] <+Xion4ever> I'm confident they would agree to this. However, just to make sure, we need to ask.
[13:28] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah. agreed
[13:28] <KeybladeSpyMaste> On our end, though, are we okay?
[13:28] <+Xion4ever> I vote yay
[13:29] <+Cheisa|RTX> yes
[13:29] <FunestGamer> Yes
[13:29] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yes
[13:29] <+Xion4ever> Okay. I believe the ideal person to ask would be Chain.
[13:29] <FunestGamer> If it won't bring anything bad upon us, I don't see why anyone would be against
[13:30] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Like FM said, we've got a deeper relationship with the Keyhole than just affiliates.
[13:31] <Byzantinefire> Well i did tell about the topic on the roundtable.
[13:31] <+Xion4ever> I'll ask Chain on his talkpage, then.
[13:32] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok
[13:32] <+Xion4ever> While I'm doing that, I believe FM has a second/new point to discuss.
[13:32] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Next agenda item
[13:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> He said rollover, but he provided that point. Do we wait
[13:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ?
[13:33] <+Xion4ever> Sure.
[13:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So we wait, or discuss the point in his pastebin?
[13:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> (I got confused, stragely)
[13:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> *strangely
[13:36] <+Xion4ever> Next point:
[13:37] <+Xion4ever> CoM talk sprite formatting
[13:38] <+Xion4ever> In short: ANX wants to know whether we want to use the naming schema Neumannz used for the Days sprites, or what is currently being used for CoM character talk sprites.
[13:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Difference being......? What naming schema is used right now?
[13:39] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/Category:Kingdom_Hearts:_Chain_of_Memories_Talk_Sprites
[13:39] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/Category:Kingdom_Hearts_358/2_Days_Sprites
[13:40] <+Xion4ever> Neumannz's : Character (Talk sprite) # GAME.png
[13:40] <+Xion4ever> ANX, which is how the images were originally uploaded: Character (Emotion) GAME.png
[13:41] <+Xion4ever> My idea: Character (Emotion) # GAME.png
[13:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I prefer Neumannz's. However, than we'd have to go back and rename it all.
[13:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yours could work, too.
[13:41] <+Xion4ever> Slash my previous comment.
[13:42] <+Xion4ever> Neumannz's is better.
[13:42] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Same deal, though. We'd have to rename them all.
[13:42] <+Xion4ever> Yup. :/
[13:42] <+Xion4ever> However, the images will [finally] be properly named.
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[13:44] <+Xion4ever> So, anyone against Neumannz's naming method?
[13:44] <FunestGamer> Nah
[13:45] <auror> No
[13:46] <+Xion4ever> Then, if no one else has anything to say, we will use "Character (Emotion) # GAME.png" for the COM talk sprites.
[13:46] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So then we use Neumannz's methods.
[13:46] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Next
[13:46] <KeybladeSpyMaste>  I was thinking of getting more videos like that for KHWiki and the keyhole like the Fannotation the Wikia Fan Media and the Fan Vs. Critic sections. - Byzantinefire
[13:46] <KeybladeSpyMaste> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWazMF0YENo3wfExFjZs3GQ
[13:47] <Byzantinefire> Oh sorry was a bit sidetracked.
[13:47] <Byzantinefire> *i
[13:47] <Byzantinefire> Well the KHWiki youtube could subscribe to the wikia youtube page.
[13:48] <+Cheisa|RTX> >disband from wikia years ago
[13:48] <+Cheisa|RTX> >subscribe to wikia
[13:49] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, no it's not gonna happen, We're not subscribing to the Wikia's YouTube page.
[13:49] <auror> That doesn't mean we can't subscribe to their youtube page
[13:49] <auror> I like Byzantine's idea
[13:49] <+Cheisa|RTX> why do we need to in the first place?
[13:49] <auror> Why not?
[13:50] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I like the videos, and they're something we could do, but I don't see how subscribing to their YouTube page will help at all.
[13:50] <+Xion4ever> KHWiki.com left Wikia because we thought/think they are arrogant/uncaring buttwipes.
[13:50] <+Xion4ever> It would look bad on us if WE did that.
[13:50] <auror> hm, I see your point Xion
[13:50] <+Xion4ever> However, if the Keyhole wants to do that, that should be discussed with them over on their channel.
[13:50] <KeybladeSpyMaste> To be fair, though, we still have ties back to Wikia
[13:51] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Namely, The Keyhole.
[13:51] <+Xion4ever> So...
[13:52] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Besides, the agenda point has nothing to do with subscribing to Wikia's YouTube channel.
[13:52] <KeybladeSpyMaste> What do you guys think of doing those kinds of videos?
[13:52] <Byzantinefire> Well to be fair i think alot of users are like what Xion said.
[13:52] <+Cheisa|RTX> who is gonna edit them?
[13:53] <+Cheisa|RTX> the work that goes into making a video is time consuming
[13:53] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The Fan Vs. Critic thing looks like something we could do in the Magazine rather than as a video.
[13:53] <Pea14733> ^
[13:53] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Like in the Coliseum page (Page 5)
[13:53] <+Cheisa|RTX> I dont even know what Fan vs Critic is
[13:54] <KeybladeSpyMaste> (Page 6)
[13:54] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I missed
[13:54] <+Xion4ever> "Wikia super-fans represent their communities in a crossfire-like discussion with critics from Rotten Tomatoes. The result? A fast-paced, heated, yet fun discussion focusing on the latest episodes from Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead" @ Chaser
[13:54] <+Cheisa|RTX> oh
[13:55] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't think we'd get critics from Rotten Tomatoes or anything like that. They might not want to (though if anyone wants to try, go right ahead).
[13:55] <+Cheisa|RTX> problem is that GoT and TWD are active media, unlike KH where stuff get release once a year or so
[13:56] <KeybladeSpyMaste> But we could do something where we get a fan of something in the series (say, Flowmotion from KH3D) and a critic that didn't like it, and they could debate about it.
[13:56] <Pea14733> That's the concept of the Coliseum page sin't it
[13:56] <Pea14733> *isn't
[13:56] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ^Yeah......that's what I started to think right now....
[13:56] <Byzantinefire> But not in video.
[13:57] <+Xion4ever> ^ See Chaster's first two comments.
[13:58] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, it's a lot of work to edit videos like that.
[13:58] <+Xion4ever> Also, in general, it is SO much easier to write up such things rather then set two people up in a webcam debate.
[13:58] <KeybladeSpyMaste> What about the other two ideas? What do you guys think of Fannotation?
[13:59] <Pea14733> Whazzat?
[13:59] <KeybladeSpyMaste> "User comments and/or facts pulled directly from relevant wikias are used to provide "pop-up" style annotations for the latest movie, TV and video game trailers."
[13:59] <+Xion4ever> In short: Take recent 2.5 trailer and analyze it.
[13:59] <+Xion4ever> Having facts from the Wiki pop up and explain scenes/characters/events/etc. from the trailer.
[14:00] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't think it'd be too hard, just add annotations to the video, and re-upload.
[14:00] <+Xion4ever> Copyright policies on videos?
[14:00] <FunestGamer> What about the story after the trailer, for exemple
[14:00] <FunestGamer> The dialog
[14:00] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah.....I don't know how that affects anything. Does it?
[14:00] <FunestGamer> It leaves some questions
[14:00] <Pea14733> I thought Podcast already kind of covered this kind of thing
[14:01] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The reality is that the Magazine and Podcast does cover many things that these videos do. I'll be honest, they really do seem redundant at times.
[14:02] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't think we could do Wikia Fan Media. That seems to be a lot of video editing
[14:02] <+Cheisa|RTX> seems like us ripping off their ideas
[14:02] <+Cheisa|RTX> if we do it
[14:02] <FunestGamer> ^Agreed
[14:02] <+Xion4ever> ^ Bingo
[14:02] <KeybladeSpyMaste> That's true.
[14:03] <+Xion4ever> We have our own take of things in the magazine and podcast.
[14:03] <FunestGamer> The magazine is our idea, and it already kinda cover the videos' role.
[14:03] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ...eh....not really, to be honest.
[14:04] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Looking back at old forums, the magazine was inspired by another wiki's own magazine. I can't remember which one, though.
[14:04] <FunestGamer> Oh...
[14:04] <+Cheisa|RTX> I mean, we can do it, but the in the end, the main question is: Who is gonna go out of their way and edit the videos
[14:04] <FunestGamer> Sorry people, I gotta go, Brazil's game is on.
[14:04] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ^ That I agree with.
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[14:04] <KeybladeSpyMaste> UC's comment, not the Brazil game.
[14:04] <auror> oh
[14:05] <Byzantinefire> Was it the the Phineas and Ferb Wiki one?
[14:05] <+Xion4ever> No. ^
[14:05] <+Cheisa|RTX> Fan site doing magazine is nothing new tbh
[14:05] <KeybladeSpyMaste> No, I'm looking for the forum right now.
[14:05] <Byzantinefire> I'm pretty sure they do a magazine as well as the Avatar Wiki.
[14:06] <+Xion4ever> It doesn't matter to the Roundtable discussion.
[14:06] <KeybladeSpyMaste> It really comes down to who would be willing to do the massive video editing.
[14:06] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I understand that UC is doing the Podcast editing, which from what it seems, isn't very fun.
[14:07] <+Cheisa|RTX> lolnope
[14:07] <+Xion4ever> Audacity ftw
[14:08] <+Xion4ever> I'm not entirely sure how I feel on videos, however...
[14:08] <+Xion4ever> ENX and Xiggie used to make a couple of videos on YouTube.
[14:09] <auror> Xiggie?
[14:09] <auror> I haven't heard that name in quite awhile :o
[14:09] <+Xion4ever> Xiggie no longer edits and ENX is out for another week/probably when school starts up, but someone could ask them.
[14:10] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Look, here's the reality of things.
[14:10] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We're not as big as wikia for us to be able to handle something like these videos.
[14:11] <KeybladeSpyMaste> There aren't enough of us to edit, and oversee, and do everything they can with them. And the Magazine and Podcast does a few of the things they do anyways
[14:12] <KeybladeSpyMaste> It's not that I don't want to do them. They look like they'd be great to have. We just can't actually do them.
[14:12] <auror> Good point :/
[14:13] <+Xion4ever> With that in mind, at the moment I'm voting against the videos.
[14:13] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Me too
[14:13] <+Xion4ever> Should someone arrive and be super gung-ho on editing/creating such videos, we can reopen this again.
[14:14] <+Cheisa|RTX> *someone besides UC
[14:14] <+Xion4ever> However, for now it is better/safer for us to juggle what we currently have.
[14:14] <+Xion4ever> Any other comments/questions on this topic?
[14:14] <Byzantinefire> Well you can ask a staff unless you too much pride.
[14:14] <Byzantinefire> *have
[14:15] <KeybladeSpyMaste> What do you mean, too much pride? We can't do it. There's nothing else to it. We cannot physically, actually, do it.
[14:16] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We're not going to Wikia to do them for us, because that'd look bad. We ditch them and then go back to get help for a couple of videos.
[14:16] <KeybladeSpyMaste> What staff could we possibly ask? None of the KHWiki's staff has the time to do them.
[14:16] <Byzantinefire> Is that not called pride?
[14:16] <+Cheisa|RTX> I am too lazy to editing on another video, I can barely edit my own video ಠ_ಠ
[14:17] <+Xion4ever> @ Byzantinefire: No, it's not.
[14:17] <auror> well bottom line is - nobody is going to be able to do it
[14:17] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We cannot do them. It's not that we don't want to. We just can't.
[14:17] <Byzantinefire> You can try at least.
[14:18] <+Xion4ever> God dang it.
[14:18] <+Xion4ever> Listen to what we're saying.
[14:18] <KeybladeSpyMaste> WE CANNOT DO THE VIDEOS. NO ONE HAS THE TIME OR WILLPOWER TO DO THEM
[14:18] <auror> caps ._.
[14:18] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Seriously.
[14:19] <+Cheisa|RTX> Byzan: Once you have taken/gone through classes on video editing, then come back and talk about asking people to make video
[14:19] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Unless YOU want to do them (by that, I mean actually edit the videos), than go right ahead.
[14:19] <KeybladeSpyMaste> *then
[14:20] <Byzantinefire> Well i can ask a staff.
[14:22] <+Xion4ever> Not on our behalf,  you will not.
[14:22] <KeybladeSpyMaste> And they will probably say no. Because we split from them, and they do work for their company, Wikia. Not for independent wikis
[14:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Officially, on behalf of the Kingdom Hearts Wiki, you will NOT ask the Wikia staff for help on these videos. If you do, it's from your own will and idea, not ours.
[14:23] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Are we good to move on?
[14:23] <auror> Independent wikis? Hm.. - Collaborative SEIWA youtube channel?
[14:23] <auror> Yeah, I'm good with moving on.
[14:24] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Anyone else?
[14:24] <+Xion4ever> Letsa go
[14:24] <Pea14733> Yes. Go on.
[14:24] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Managing the Mirage Arena.
[14:24] <KeybladeSpyMaste> -TheFifteenthMember
[14:24] <Pea14733> Luxerion
[14:24] <Byzantinefire> Seriously this is why i choose to ignore other users and people.
[14:25] <+Luxerion> yap yap
[14:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Well, this is a COMMUNITY wiki, not a one-person-on-his-own wiki.
[14:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> You don't just ignore the whole community. End of story.
[14:25] <auror> anyhow
[14:26] <auror> What about managing the Mirage Arena?
[14:26] <+Xion4ever> I think we're just looking for someone else to be in charge of it.
[14:26] <+Xion4ever> Right?
[14:26] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep
[14:26] <auror> seems to be the case
[14:26] <+Xion4ever> Anything you want to add, Erry?
[14:27] <+Luxerion> on what?
[14:27] <Pea14733> MA
[14:27] <+Luxerion> i cant update it anymore someone else has to do it
[14:28] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I though Neumannz was going to help with that?
[14:28] <KeybladeSpyMaste> *thought
[14:29] <+Luxerion> well, yeah but no one's doing anything :/ so we need more people
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[14:29] <+Xion4ever> Having more than one person in charge of the MA wouldn't hurt anyways.
[14:30] <KeybladeSpyMaste> That's true.
[14:30] <+Xion4ever> I can help out for the rest of this month, but once school starts in August, you guys won't see much/any of me till December.
[14:31] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I can't offer my continuous help, either. There'll soon be a point where I'll be gone, too. I'm sure.
[14:34] <Pea14733> How about we have a team of MA staffers
[14:34] <+Xion4ever> If you can find an appropriate group, go for it.
[14:35] <Pea14733> I mean I'm asking if someone here might have some free time in the next month
[14:36] <Pea14733> Not every week but at least once a month
[14:37] <Pea14733> To just organize a change in matches
[14:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> If we had a group of people, than we wouldn't need one person all the time, we'd just need one of them.
[14:37] <Pea14733> Yeah
[14:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'll be part of such group. It'd be just replacing the current match with the next one, right?
[14:39] <Pea14733> Yes
[14:39] <Pea14733> But for the current one, it's the Joint Struggle
[14:39] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Sounds pretty simple.
[14:41] <+Xion4ever> There's one member. Pea, I'm assuming you'll partake?
[14:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Anyone else willing to join me?
[14:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Or should we create a forum to sign up to help?
[14:42] <+Xion4ever> ^ Good idea.
[14:42] <Pea14733> Yes I'll be in the group
[14:42] <+Xion4ever> There's two.
[14:44] <+Xion4ever> A forum will be created in order to gather a group to manage the MA.
[14:44] <+Xion4ever> Is that all for this topic?
[14:45] <Pea14733> I tihnk so
[14:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Yep
[14:45] <+Xion4ever> Cool.
[14:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Next
[14:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Reviving the Twitter account. Either updating the one we have or creating an entirely new one, as the current one is a collection of the English, German, and French Wikis.
[14:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> -Xion4ever
[14:46] <+Xion4ever> In short: Our Twitter account is inactive.
[14:46] <+Xion4ever> https://twitter.com/KHWiki
[14:46] <Pea14733> Who is in charge of it?
[14:46] <+Xion4ever> http://www.khwiki.com/KHWiki:Staff#Offsite_staff
[14:46] <+Xion4ever> TNE and Unbirth.
[14:46] <Pea14733> https://twitter.com/KHWiki/status/316460619157106688
[14:46] <Pea14733> Apprently
[14:46] <Pea14733> Luxerion
[14:47] <Pea14733> *Apparently
[14:47] <+Luxerion> i took over it but yeah, managing the twitter, youtube AND mirage arena on top of being in university...
[14:47] <Pea14733> XD
[14:47] <Pea14733> I normally use Twitter
[14:47] <+Xion4ever> ^ Same.
[14:48] <+Xion4ever> What are we wanting to do with Twitter?
[14:48] <Pea14733> Advertising the Magazine, wiki news, KH news etc.?
[14:48] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ^
[14:49] <+Xion4ever> That brings up some activity.
[14:50] <+Xion4ever> However, what about the idea of small "games"/stuff?
[14:50] <+Xion4ever> What I mean by that:
[14:50] <+Xion4ever> "Quess that quote" or "Caption this picture" - <s>lame</s> just cheap/small stuff like that.
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[14:51] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think that'd be great to have, too.
[14:52] <+Xion4ever> This allows us to step out from other KH twitters.
[14:52] <+Xion4ever> There's already one on quotes. There are  plenty of news sites.
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[14:54] <+Xion4ever> We could post various questions, start discussions on speculation- whatever we wanted.
[14:54] <FifteenthMember> Hi
[14:55] <+Cheisa|RTX> oh look, its FN
[14:55] <+Xion4ever> Hey, FM. We're discussing reviving the Twitter account.
[14:55] <FifteenthMember> Brb
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[14:55] <Pea14733> ._.
[14:56] <+Xion4ever> I forgot perhaps the most important question: do we still want the Twitter?
[14:56] <Pea14733> lol
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[14:57] <+Cheisa|RTX> I don't even used my twitter, so I don't know where we're heading with this
[14:57] <Pea14733> I use Twitter
[14:57] <+Cheisa|RTX> I vote pea in charge then
[14:57] <Byzantinefire> Keep the twitter page its good promotion.
[14:57] <FM|Phone> Hail pea!
[14:57] <Pea14733> I lack humor :(
[14:57] <+Xion4ever> Should we enlist a group?
[14:58] <FM|Phone> sure
[14:58] <+Cheisa|RTX> I found pea's twitter and as soon as I loaded it, I couldn't figure what was going on
[14:58] <Pea14733> ._.
[14:58] <FM|Phone> psst, pea can I have a log? :p
[15:00] <+Xion4ever> Are Pea and I the only ones on here right now that use Twitter?
[15:00] <Pea14733> I think so :P
[15:00] <FM|Phone> this iphone app is annoying to use...
[15:00] <Byzantinefire> i use twitter.
[15:00] <Byzantinefire> i'm even in charge of the disney wiki twitter page.
[15:01] <FM|Phone> I think xion and pea will do fine together
[15:01] <FM|Phone> argh, I keep pressing buttons :<
[15:02] <+Xion4ever> Then the next point on Twitter:
[15:02] <+Xion4ever> Do we want to continue the one we currently have or start a new account?
[15:02] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I use Twitter
[15:02] <FM|Phone> is there any explicit reason why we need a new acc?
[15:03] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Sorry, my brother took my computer for several minutes, and I'm catching up right now.
[15:03] <+Xion4ever> The one we currently use is used between the English, German, and French Wikis.
[15:03] <FM|Phone> I don't think that matters much
[15:03] <FM|Phone> which acc does the keyhole use?
[15:03] <+Xion4ever> ^ Agreed. The other two have not been active as of late, either.
[15:03] <+Xion4ever> Er, to the first point.
[15:04] <+Xion4ever> Hang on. Getting link.
[15:04] <+Xion4ever> https://twitter.com/keyholewiki
[15:04] <+Xion4ever> I forgot they had a Twitter. ._.
[15:05] <FM|Phone> ah okay, they have their own
[15:05] <FM|Phone> Anyway, I don't see why we need a new one
[15:05] <Pea14733> So we don't have to create new one
[15:07] <+Xion4ever> I'm going to throw KeybladeSpyMaste into the ring on helping out with Twitter.
[15:07] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So we restart the current Twitter account. Anything else related to it.
[15:07] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ?
[15:07] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Sure, I'll help out.
[15:07] <+Xion4ever> When do we want to start this? Today? Right now? Next week?
[15:08] <Pea14733> Can do right now
[15:08] <+Xion4ever> We need the log in information either from Luxerion or Sonwe- who apparently has the information? >>
[15:08] <Pea14733> I think Luxerion
[15:09] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I guess as soon as we get the log in information, we start it.
[15:09] <Pea14733> Yeah
[15:09] <+Xion4ever> Sounds fine.
[15:10] <FM|Phone> guys I'm gonna leave soon but feel free to discuss my second agenda point cuz all my input is there on that pastbin already
[15:10] <+Xion4ever> About reinstalling ENX's staff position?
[15:10] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So then we'll go back to that.
[15:12] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Pretty self-explanatory. The wiki demoted him for lack of activity, and now he's pretty active (albeit the vacation this week). So we should give him his staff postion back. Objections?
[15:12] <+Luxerion> for what?
[15:12] <Pea14733> I think he might be inactive again in the next month
[15:12] <FM|Phone> xion, yeh
[15:13] <+Xion4ever> One moment
[15:13] <FM|Phone> if he proves he can stay active for a long time to come, he should be repromoted
[15:13] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The Keyhole already gave him back his administrator postition
[15:14] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Hey, Luxerion we need the login information for the wiki's Twitter account
[15:15] <+Xion4ever> http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:EternalNothingnessXIII
[15:15] <FM|Phone> I read that already
[15:16] <FM|Phone> it seems he just doesn't understand why he was demoted in the first place
[15:16] <+Xion4ever> Another link can be found on NinjaSheik's talkpage.
[15:17] <Byzantinefire> Demotion is never an easy thing to live with.
[15:17] <FM|Phone> I'm really not sure what he means by the dictator admins but I'm willing to forgive him if it is a misunderstanding
[15:18] <+Luxerion> okay, i'll get to it soon
[15:18] <FM|Phone> he seems to be unaware of teh FACTS
[15:18] <Pea14733> He was demoted because of the lack of activity, no?
[15:18] <FM|Phone> yeah
[15:18] <+Xion4ever> ENX is a great editor and means well.
[15:19] <+Luxerion> the real reason was not because lack of activity
[15:19] <+Luxerion> it was lack of communication
[15:19] <Pea14733> AH
[15:19] <Pea14733> I kind of remembered it now
[15:19] <FM|Phone> that sounds right
[15:19] <+Xion4ever> However, those 'anti-Wiki' comments...
[15:19] <+Luxerion> he never said what he was busy being inactive for UNTIL the point where we demoted him
[15:20] <FM|Phone> he seems to have learned from his mistakes
[15:20] <FM|Phone> he prewarned us about his 2 week trip
[15:21] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know much about the events surrounding his demotion. However, from an outsiders's point of view, he doesn't seem very happy to be here. He seems to be in a "cold war"-of-sorts with some of the admins here.
[15:21] <Byzantinefire> I know that feeling.
[15:22] <FM|Phone> should we do a sort of a deal with enx?
[15:22] <FM|Phone> if he continues communicating with us and refrains from posting negative comments, he can be rehired
[15:24] * FM|Phone has 5 mins left
[15:24] <Pea14733> I don't think we should pose some kind of deal on him though
[15:24] <+Xion4ever> Truth be told, we should probably discuss this when he is online.
[15:24] <Pea14733> Yeah
[15:25] <FM|Phone> yeah okay
[15:25] <+Xion4ever> He's on vacation right now, which is understandable. School starts up again in August.
[15:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm okay with re-promoting him. He seems to be a very dedicated editor. He just seems to have some problems with some of the staff.
[15:25] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We all have some little scuffle with others once in a while.
[15:25] <+Xion4ever> Indeed.
[15:25] <Pea14733> So, last one?
[15:25] <FM|Phone> so has everyone noticed the increased activity lately?
[15:26] <+Xion4ever> :D
[15:26] <FM|Phone> do we think we need another mod?
[15:26] <auror> no
[15:26] <FM|Phone> I say no...
[15:26] <Pea14733> No ...
[15:27] <FM|Phone> also, we can give enx moderator status for now
[15:27] <FM|Phone> that can be a sort of probation
[15:27] <+Luxerion> just re-mote him to admin
[15:27] <+Luxerion> it was unfair because i pushed for it
[15:27] <FM|Phone> if he sticks to his promises, he becomes admin
[15:27] <+Luxerion> well
[15:27] <+Luxerion> we could do what you say
[15:28] <+Luxerion> and give him mod status
[15:28] <KeybladeSpyMaste> All in favor of giving ENX admin status?
[15:28] <+Luxerion> in addition to 'advising' him to communicate with us
[15:28] <Pea14733> ^ Yes
[15:28] <+Luxerion> he comes on the irc every so often
[15:28] <FM|Phone> I do think we need to discuss things with enx first though
[15:28] <+Luxerion> but never tells us what's happening
[15:28] <+Luxerion> so we dont know if he's busy or not irl
[15:29] <FM|Phone> like, over the irc so we know where he stands
[15:29] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, so conclusion.
[15:29] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We wait to discuss this with him when he comes back.
[15:29] <FM|Phone> yeah
[15:29] <Pea14733> Okay
[15:29] <KeybladeSpyMaste> He said he'd be back in another week, right?
[15:29] <FM|Phone> yeah
[15:29] <Pea14733> Yeha
[15:29] <Pea14733> *yeah
[15:30] <Pea14733> So next?
[15:30] <FM|Phone> so chain of rewards
[15:30] <FM|Phone> have you guys read my thing?
[15:30] <Pea14733> More like, "Bonus Level"
[15:30] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm reading it right now.
[15:30] <Pea14733> Where you unlock features on the wiki as you edit more
[15:30] <FM|Phone> yeah sure
[15:30] <FM|Phone> name is configurable
[15:31] <Pea14733> ANd you want it to be listed on the Traverse Town, correct?
[15:31] <Pea14733> That can do
[15:31] <FM|Phone> yeah
[15:31] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I've got a minor suggestion.
[15:31] <FM|Phone> under guide for new users district
[15:32] <KeybladeSpyMaste> What if we made a certain percentage of the total edits from the mainspace/images/whatever acutal content areas?
[15:32] <Pea14733> ....What?
[15:32] <FM|Phone> I know what you mean
[15:33] <FM|Phone> but new users won't catch on to that easily
[15:33] <Pea14733> You mean like an EXP bar or something?
[15:33] <FM|Phone> simplest thing is counting overall edits
[15:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Like how in Special:EditCount, it lists percentages of edits in each of area.
[15:33] <Pea14733> oh
[15:33] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I guess. It's just a suggestion.
[15:33] <FM|Phone> but then, if someone makes 1 main space edit
[15:33] <FM|Phone> and nothing else
[15:34] <Pea14733> Well, different editors have different interest in different namespaces
[15:34] <FM|Phone> he'd still have 100% and be able to do everything
[15:34] <FM|Phone> that's why I proposed overall edits so it promotes general "activity"
[15:34] <KeybladeSpyMaste> No. That's not what I meant.
[15:34] <FM|Phone> not just 'work'
[15:34] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Like, we still use the overall edits thing.
[15:35] <FM|Phone> well, I need to go now
[15:35] <KeybladeSpyMaste> But of those edits, say 10% have to be in Mainspace, Image Uploads, or discussing something useful on the wiki. That way, we still have activity
[15:36] <FM|Phone> you guys decide for me :p
[15:36] <Pea14733> KSM, we have the thing called "Quality Edits"
[15:36] * FM|Phone (~u686749@cpc7-camd15-2-0-cust531.20-2.cable.virginm.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[15:36] <KeybladeSpyMaste> But it's not all just userpage edits and discussing random things in the forums.
[15:36] <+Xion4ever> I've got to go as well.
[15:36] <+Xion4ever> However, I like the idea. Full support.
[15:36] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know. Again, just a suggestion.
[15:37] <Pea14733> Like, normal editcounts count all edits
[15:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I think we should do FM's idea, and if we need to, we can alter it later. How's that.
[15:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> ?
[15:37] <+Xion4ever> ^ Fair enough.
[15:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok. Are the editcount numbers ok?
[15:37] <Pea14733> However, Quality Edits only counts edits in certain namespaces
[15:37] <+Xion4ever> Fine with me. ^ and ^
[15:37] <+Xion4ever> I'll see you guys later.
[15:37] * +Xion4ever (482f7d69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.47.125.105) Quit
[15:37] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Which set do we take, the first or second?
[15:38] <Pea14733> Normally we count Quality Edits
[15:38] <+Luxerion> ok so i'll go grab the password and login info
[15:38] <Pea14733> That's when MA was created
[15:38] <Pea14733> 150 quality edits to be able to vote in MA
[15:40] <+Luxerion> ooookay
[15:40] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok, well, I'll stand by FM's original idea
[15:40] <+Luxerion> so it uses my email and my own personal password and that's not a good idea
[15:40] <KeybladeSpyMaste> But his idea has two suggestions and we need to choose one.
[15:40] <Pea14733> I suggest using Quality Edits
[15:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Luxerion, we could move the account's email/password to the wiki's email, can't we?
[15:41] <+Luxerion> yes im in the middle of doing that right now
[15:41] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't want to just use Quality Edits. I think we should do a combination of both. It just get's complicated on how exactly to do that.
[15:42] <Pea14733> "You must have at least 130 edits before voting. Check your editcount Here, by typing in your username. Please check for: Mainspace, Game, Quotes, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Gallery, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and MediaWiki edits."
[15:42] <Pea14733> Well we can go with this
[15:42] <KeybladeSpyMaste> That's why I'm saying, we should do FM's original idea, and if we find the need to tweak it later, we can.
[15:43] <Pea14733> Okay
[15:43] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We'll keep in mind that the need may arise if we get a ton of new users. But for now, we don't really have the traffic to worry about Quality Edits.
[15:43] <+Luxerion> right
[15:43] <+Luxerion> twitter account switched to kingdomheartswikibcrat@gmail.com
[15:43] <KeybladeSpyMaste> We get so few new users, and even less become active users.
[15:44] <Pea14733> :P
[15:44] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I don't know, that's what I think.
[15:44] <Pea14733> Okay so we'll go with the first idea
[15:44] <Pea14733> End of RT?
[15:45] <+Luxerion> i have the login info for the twitter so yeah, anyone wants it, they can ask me
[15:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> No, not the end. We still have one minor detail to the Rewards idea.
[15:45] <Pea14733> ?
[15:45] <KeybladeSpyMaste> FM posted two ideas on how to set requirements. Which one do we use?
[15:46] <Pea14733> Luxerion: It's decided that the persons will be me, KSM and Xion
[15:46] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The difference is that the first groups all Featured content to a requirement of 200 edits.
[15:46] <+Luxerion> for the mirage arena?
[15:46] <Pea14733> Twitter
[15:47] <KeybladeSpyMaste> The second set splits them. The requirement to vote in FM is 150, FA is 200, and FU is 250
[15:47] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Do you get what I'm saying, Pea?
[15:47] <Pea14733> Yes
[15:47] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So which should we do?
[15:47] <Pea14733> I say we go for the different requirements
[15:48] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I like the second option, as well.
[15:48] <KeybladeSpyMaste> So we're done?
[15:48] <Pea14733> Yup :D
[15:48] <Pea14733> Who'll write the summary?
[15:49] <KeybladeSpyMaste> I can. I've been keeping a log, as well. Unless you want to.
[15:49] <Pea14733> Nah
[15:49] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Or Luxerion. I believe he usually does.
[15:49] <Pea14733> Good luck on that one
[15:49] <+Luxerion> ok i'll give you the login info pea
[15:50] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Luxerion do you want to do the summary? Or should I?
[15:51] <+Luxerion> you do it
[15:52] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok. And you'll give me the login info, too, right? 'Cuz I'll be helping with the Twitter, too.
[15:52] <KeybladeSpyMaste> Good RT today.