[02:35]	Keileon	Also for Vindrgard
[02:36]	Keileon	I'm thinking that, for thematic reasons, one of- if not THE- chief deity is going to have something to do with air/wind and the Nidhoggr personally
[02:37]	Shadow	Makes sense
[02:38]	Keileon	I literally have nothing beyond that.
[02:38]	Keileon	lol!
[02:38]	Keileon	I'll figure it out
[02:39]	Shadow	Though it makes sense for the planet to have wind/air themes in general because of the name
[02:39]	Keileon	^
[02:40]	Keileon	And what do you know, dragons fly
[02:40]	Keileon	!!!
[02:40]	Shadow	...lol
[02:40]	Keileon	(I'm joking)
[02:42]	Keileon	Perhaps
[02:42]	Keileon	To keep Calemvir's soul from accidentally being lost in the spirit world rather than reincarnating
[02:42]	Keileon	One of the gods "collects" it, or commissions a Soul Harvester or something to, after the weapon goes off
[02:43]	Shadow	o that makes sense
[02:43]	Shadow	I could see that happening, yeah
[02:44]	Keileon	And said god keeps the soul safe until the dust settles and it's safe to reincarnate him
[02:49]	Keileon	So when making an article where would I note the planet's rebirth cycle?
[02:49]	Keileon	Culture has a planet-specific section but it doesn't /really/ go there
[02:49]	Shadow	...Good point. Mmm... maybe Theology
[02:49]	Keileon	Works for now
[02:51]	Keileon	http://manaverse.zejroleplaying.org/index.php?title=User:Keileon/Vindrgard
[02:51]	Keileon	Veeeeery skeletal
[02:51]	Keileon	But
[02:51]	Keileon	Still
[02:53]	Keileon	You know
[02:53]	Keileon	Depending on how old Vindrgard itself is
[02:53]	Keileon	Since humans do survive to start civilization anew... imagine how long they've had to improve technology
[02:54]	Shadow	Well, a /lot/ of it would be lost, honestly.
[02:55]	Keileon	I'm not saying it's Crysia-level
[02:55]	Keileon	But the /knowledge/ itself would carry over
[02:55]	Keileon	And that alone is helpful
[02:55]	Keileon	That could even be intended by the pantheon
[02:56]	Shadow	I wasn't even calling that out either rofl. But considering that the knowledge would still (in some way) exist, and how many iterations they've gone through, obviously each successive rise of civilization is substantially better than the last.
[02:56]	Keileon	I love this. One of my worlds is technologically primitive and the other is potentially advanced.
[02:56]	Keileon	Oh, I know
[02:56]	Keileon	I was using Crysia as an example
[02:58]	Keileon	... And just imaging the loop the pantheon gets thrown for when Jaguar arrives on Vindrgard
[02:58]	Keileon	*imagine
[02:58]	Keileon	I don't think they foresaw Silpelits LOL
[02:59]	Shadow	Anything offworld is basically out of their own parameters of control
[02:59]	Keileon	I can imagine them going like
[02:59]	Keileon	"Uh. Okay, let's roll with this, it could be helpful."
[03:00]	Keileon	... Huh
[03:00]	Keileon	Considering after a while they /would/ develop interstellar travel
[03:00]	Keileon	The constant improvement of human civilization could also indirectly improve other planets
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[03:02]	Shadow	Interstellar travel... Yeah, I suppose
[03:05]	Keileon	Mmm.
[03:05]	Keileon	This is coming together nicely, if a bit slowly
[03:17]	Keileon	Filling in some of the page
[03:19]	Keileon	http://manaverse.zejroleplaying.org/index.php?title=User:Keileon/Vindrgard#The_Renewal_Cycle
[03:20]	Keileon	okay well
[03:20]	Keileon	it's a start
[03:25]	Dark	Speaking of articles, finally actually writing down shit in Ferona's Theology section
[03:26]	Keileon	I'm thinking of having Vindrgard adopt a date system similar to Skyrim
[03:26]	Keileon	Where I think it's... 4E <number>
[03:26]	Dark	everything is skyrim
[03:26]	Keileon	So the nth day of the fourth era
[03:27]	Keileon	or
[03:27]	Keileon	something
[03:27]	Keileon	The similarity to Skyrim /here/ is coincidental
[03:27]	Dark	Actually it's ES in general and it's <number>E<number>
[03:27]	Keileon	o
[03:27]	Keileon	I prefer mine
[03:27]	Keileon	!!!
[03:27]	Dark	where number before E only changes after a pivotal moment in history like the Oblivon Crisis in, well, Oblivion
[03:28]	Keileon	Oh so it was basically what I said without the space
[03:28]	Keileon	okay
[03:28]	Dark	Well it is Elder Scrolls' date system in general
[03:28]	Keileon	Yes I know that
[03:28]	Keileon	But the only one I've played is Skyrim and that's the Fourth Era
[03:28]	Dark	it can be written with or without space
[03:28]	Keileon	o
[03:29]	Dark	Morrowind is 2E, Oblivion is 3E
[03:29]	Dark	Well
[03:29]	Dark	3E slash 4E
[03:29]	Dark	as 4E is postgame
[03:29]	Keileon	ah
[03:30]	Keileon	But yeah I think I'll use a similar date system for this
[03:40]	Keileon	Okay so
[03:41]	Keileon	I have what I think I'll make a storm god, and some sort of afterlife god
[03:42]	Keileon	Probably with a life god counterpart (plus, really. This is a Norse-inspired world. Perfect excuse for me.)
[03:42]	Keileon	... Or maybe rolled into one
[03:42]	Keileon	Hm.
[03:42]	Keileon	...
[03:42]	Shadow	Speaking of gods, this also brings up the issue of Spiralsky's Eiclerians
[03:42]	Keileon	I think I just uh
[03:43]	Keileon	Accidentally made Nathair Vindrite
[03:43]	Shadow	lol?
[03:43]	Keileon	My train of thought:
[03:44]	Keileon	Afterlife god and life god -> wait maybe this could work as one concept -> can't use yggdrasil for the whole thing though -> Maybe Ouroboros? -> ... -> w-wait.
[03:44]	Keileon	Also I /barely/ remember what Eiclerians are
[03:47]	Shadow	They are the "false gods". Some sort of extraplanar beings that had established themselves as deities in some country or whatever, bringing forth superior magic/technology overall but in exchange they basically have society dancing in the palm of their hands
[03:47]	Keileon	Ahh
[03:47]	Keileon	So Daedra-- *shot*
[03:48]	Shadow	wat
[03:48]	Keileon	(only dark and flim would get it)
[03:48]	Flimzy	Shadow doesn't TES
[03:48]	Keileon	Yes that's why I added the parenthetical comment
[03:48]	Flimzy	I could tell ahead of time that Shadow would hate TES.
[03:48]	Keileon	probably
[03:48]	Keileon	the lore of tamriel is so fucking deep though
[03:49]	Flimzy	I'd call it plentiful more so than deep.
[03:49]	Keileon	Well
[03:49]	Keileon	It's deep in several cases
[03:49]	Keileon	But anyway
[03:49]	Keileon	Shadow that could actually work fairly well
[03:50]	Shadow	I'm looking for Spiralsky's .txt thing but I can't find it asdasd
[03:50]	Keileon	is reading over the Spiralsky log herself.
[03:50]	Keileon	(I'll shoot it to you)
[03:50]	Shadow	I'm pretty sure I saved it somewhere too
[03:51]	Keileon	dropbox sync pls
[03:52]	Keileon	come on dropbox it's only-- okay there
[03:52]	Keileon	https://www.dropbox.com/s/raduixyr5o6vjmz/SpiralSky.txt
[03:52]	Shadow	Oh there we go
[03:53]	Keileon	The part with your girlfriend still kills me btw.
[03:53]	Shadow	Man I forgot how in-depth those three dreams went
[03:53]	Shadow	LOL THAT
[03:54]	Flimzy	Being aware you're being mind controlled. In a dream no less.
[03:54]	Flimzy	That's quite the thing.
[03:54]	Shadow	Shadowdreams for you
[03:55]	Keileon	I like how in your TD dream you actually realized there was no sun
[03:55]	Keileon	... This Waltz of the Dead thing
[03:55]	Keileon	You do realize
[03:56]	Shadow	dis lore
[03:56]	Keileon	the /actual/ Nidhoggr basically eats the souls of the dead
[03:56]	Shadow	lol!
[03:56]	Keileon	idk maybe we can find relevance there
[03:57]	Shadow	...do you remember that other dream? About the frozen hell dimension?
[03:57]	Keileon	... Extremely vaguely.
[03:58]	Keileon	If you have these dream logs send them to me, Spiralsky's the only one I still have
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[03:59]	Keileon	"and proceeding to dance with them to some invisible music I couldn't at the time hear"
[03:59]	Keileon	"invisible music"
[03:59]	Nate	What
[03:59]	Shadow	Basically I was in a "highly technological world" that was "descending into absolute chaos" and I was the follower of a very prominent religion there. The followers were instructed to go to a doorway that supposedly lead to "heaven" but it was basically an interdimensional elevator of sorts of that lead to a frozen hell
[03:59]	Keileon	Hi Nate
[04:00]	Keileon	OH YES THAT ONE
[04:00]	Flimzy	interdimensional.... elevator?
[04:00]	Flimzy	Not a portal? An elevator?
[04:01]	Keileon	I guess even shadowdreams can be incoherent
[04:01]	Nate	^
[04:01]	Shadow	It was basically an elevator-like room that suddenly reappeared inside that dimension
[04:01]	Shadow	It was quite cramped
[04:01]	Flimzy	I'm attempting to imagine fitting elevator music for a techno-cult hell.
[04:01]	Shadow	LOL.
[04:02]	Keileon	"15:18:21 <Shadow> I realized that I had been killed many times before, but I just didn't remember it"
[04:02]	Keileon	This also fits the lore so far
[04:03]	Shadow	the interconnectivity is so OP
[04:03]	Keileon	^
[04:04]	Keileon	Waltz of the dead, being killed before, parts of your frozen hell dream...
[04:04]	Keileon	It all can easily be tied back to the Nidhoggr
[04:05]	Keileon	... Maybe, following Norse influence slightly, Calemvir destroys stuff before activating the weapon so he can consume the souls of the dead himself and make his own soul more powerful fuel?
[04:06]	Shadow	ooo
[04:07]	Keileon	"15:37:12 <Shadow> I also knew that somehow, civilization was in the brink of crumbling. Cue another apocalyptic dream? Cue another apocalyptic dream."
[04:07]	Keileon	lol 2OP
[04:11]	Shadow	Rereading the log just made me realize the sheer scale of depth (with some details I filled in myself, granted) these three dreams gave to the plot
[04:11]	Shadow	It's insane
[04:11]	Keileon	Yeah I just finished reading
[04:11]	Keileon	I can easily draw some connections, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea to tie everything to the Nidhoggr
[04:12]	Shadow	Obviously not
[04:12]	Shadow	You'd end up making the biggest, BIGGEST Plot-Related Dragon
[04:12]	Keileon	lel
[04:17]	Keileon	But yeah
[04:17]	Shadow	Anyway we progressively learn that Vindrgard is becoming OP as fuck
[04:17]	Keileon	dat spiralsky
[04:17]	Keileon	And yes
[04:18]	Keileon	I'm mostly interested in the Eiclerians
[04:19]	Shadow	To be honest I'm not sure what they really /are/ or what they even want but they are a plot point in SS
[04:19]	Keileon	I figured haha
[04:20]	Keileon	I'm severely resisting the temptation to at least connect the Waltz of the Dead to the Renewal Cycle
[04:21]	Nate	I'd ask for what was devved but lol reading
[04:22]	Keileon	We were just rereading the Spiralsky log
[04:22]	Shadow	We're just connecting Spiralsky to Vindrgard in general
[04:23]	Nate	o
[04:26]	Keileon	I have to wonder
[04:26]	Keileon	What the Vindrite pantheon thinks of the Eiclerians
[04:26]	Shadow	^
[04:26]	Keileon	... and whether they'd survive the end of a cycle
[04:26]	Keileon	Because if not
[04:26]	Keileon	The pantheon wouldn't really /care/
[04:26]	Shadow	They probably would
[04:26]	Keileon	And just let Calemvir kill them
[04:27]	Keileon	Maybe at first they assume the Eiclerians wouldn't survive and don't take any action, but when they do the pantheon kinda goes "welp" and takes a more active role in it
[04:30]	Shadow	...In fact, I think the Eiclerians would have risen to that sort of status purely because of their ability to survive the catastrophe, while promising followers safety when this happens.
[04:30]	Keileon	o that works too
[04:30]	Shadow	Then they just go "laughing.png" and let everyone die
[04:30]	Keileon	LOL
[04:33]	Keileon	Poor Vindrites
[04:33]	Dark	gonna get some sleep
[04:33]	Keileon	Would this be worldwide or restricted to one area?
[04:33]	Keileon	random dark
[04:33]	Keileon	(night)
[04:33]	Dark	cranked out a p. big update to Ferona's page so I'm happy
[04:34]	Keileon	ooo
[04:34]	Dark	anyway night
[04:34]	Keileon	~
[04:34]	Shadow	I'm thinking it's country/region-restricted, though their influence surely must've reached worldwide at least
[04:35]	Keileon	Maybe it reaches worldwide influence before the pantheon decides to do anything lel
[04:35]	Shadow	lollll yeah