[2/5/16, 11:04:46 PM] DeathThreats: Im trying to convince eldwinartarian to give me house martell to make it easier for me
[2/5/16, 11:05:22 PM] DeathThreats: Also i hope you dont think im oscuas' lapdog or anything
[2/5/16, 11:06:04 PM] DeathThreats: In fact all he does is rant about you and tries to get me to be his bitch
[2/5/16, 11:06:32 PM] DeathThreats: Dont want us starting out on badblood
[2/5/16, 11:07:39 PM] DeathThreats: You'll find out I actually prefer to stick to lore.
[2/5/16, 11:08:28 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): I didn’t get you removed in the first place
[2/5/16, 11:08:57 PM] DeathThreats: I know. That's what osc was telling me so
[2/5/16, 11:09:32 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): When it happened I felt caught between a rock and a hard place, though, because I believed you to be a rebel but Aetherius wasn’t liked by any of the North
[2/5/16, 11:09:40 PM] DeathThreats: And i only fought against you in that battle because sticky promised me my position back and i knew you had close ties with aetherius
[2/5/16, 11:09:47 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): so I just shut myself and my region out of their affair
[2/5/16, 11:10:03 PM] DeathThreats: Fair enough
[2/5/16, 11:10:23 PM] DeathThreats: I try to stay as neutral and independent as i much as i can
[2/5/16, 11:11:23 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): I wouldn’t call them close. It was an alliance of convenience as neither of us were thrilled with Osc and Sticky’s ideal community
[2/5/16, 11:12:03 PM] DeathThreats: Yeah.
[2/5/16, 11:12:23 PM] DeathThreats: Osc walks over everyone and expects you to pay tribute
[2/5/16, 11:12:45 PM] DeathThreats: Sticky has his moments but he's unstable most of the time.
[2/5/16, 11:14:12 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): It’s interesting that he rants about me, though
[2/5/16, 11:14:47 PM] DeathThreats: Im pretty sure osc is bipolar
[2/5/16, 11:16:47 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): You’ve stuck around with him, though
[2/5/16, 11:16:55 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): for self-benefit, or..?
[2/5/16, 11:17:52 PM] DeathThreats: Pretty much
[2/5/16, 11:18:11 PM] DeathThreats: When sticky was king they promised me my position as prince of dorne back.
[2/5/16, 11:22:58 PM] DeathThreats: Clearly didn't work out
[2/5/16, 11:23:06 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): In TSK?
[2/5/16, 11:23:35 PM] DeathThreats: yep
[2/5/16, 11:26:03 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): That didn’t last very long, I ended up letting vuk AA the whole thing at like 3am
[2/5/16, 11:26:26 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): He didn’t think bakers would be awake at so ungodly an hour in Britain but the guy apparently doesn’t sleep
[2/5/16, 11:26:32 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): He ranked about 2500 people to LP first, though
[2/5/16, 11:27:02 PM] DeathThreats: God bakers
[2/5/16, 11:27:13 PM] DeathThreats: Fucking cringefest
[2/5/16, 11:28:02 PM] DeathThreats: He even has a group of fanboys to increase his ego
[2/6/16, 11:20:48 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): ArthurArtarian will remain as Lewyn Martell, correct?
[2/6/16, 11:21:00 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): He’s sort of worried he’s being replaced in the Kingsguard chat
[2/6/16, 11:25:04 AM] DeathThreats: He can stay.
[2/6/16, 11:32:15 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): Alright.
[2/6/16, 11:38:22 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): I don’t want to play games with you. Make an offer or I will. You are either serving Oscuras or yourself, in which the first case you’re merely talking to me attempting to glean info and in the second case will likely go to him telling him what’s on the table asking for more.
[2/7/16, 12:22:41 PM] DeathThreats: I owe no loyalty to Oscuras, I'm independent.
[2/7/16, 12:22:54 PM] DeathThreats: I only want what's best for Dorne and I don't want bad blood with any region.
[2/7/16, 12:23:27 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): Was he the one who told you to speak to me?
[2/7/16, 12:33:40 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): If you intend to sit around and wait to join the side apparently winning, that’s little better than what you’d otherwise be.
[2/7/16, 12:34:02 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): We need people who intend to sway a tide rather than wait for it to be done for them.
[2/7/16, 12:43:20 PM] DeathThreats: I came here on my own account.
[2/7/16, 12:43:41 PM] DeathThreats: Don't think me one to sit around while my allies do the fighting.
[2/7/16, 12:47:14 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): Why does he take you for granted, then?
[2/7/16, 12:48:57 PM] DeathThreats: Because he think's I'm naiive and need him to survive.
[2/7/16, 12:50:46 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): Let’s verify that. Do you have time?
[2/7/16, 1:29:20 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): I can broker a deal to end your growing discontent with the North through a marriage from Elia Martell to Eddard Stark and this would bind you to the Crown indirectly.
[2/7/16, 1:29:23 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): What do you think of that
[2/7/16, 2:00:54 PM] DeathThreats: elia to eddard?
[2/7/16, 2:00:55 PM] DeathThreats: eh
[2/7/16, 2:01:02 PM] DeathThreats: ill consider it.
[2/7/16, 2:13:56 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): You don’t sound too joyous*
[2/7/16, 5:24:36 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): also, has tharundil been trying to poach your members
[2/7/16, 5:25:08 PM] DeathThreats: Not that I've noticed.
[2/7/16, 5:28:30 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): I’d ask your lords, he’s going around to all the Dornish associated with Aetherius
[2/7/16, 11:54:48 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): is alexanderartarian in dorne or the reach
[2/7/16, 11:55:08 PM] DeathThreats: he left dorne
[2/7/16, 11:55:20 PM] DeathThreats: out of nowhere
[2/7/16, 11:55:29 PM] DeathThreats: he's in the reach now huh?
[2/7/16, 11:55:44 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): hes asking me about ser gerold hightower
[2/7/16, 11:55:52 PM] Patrick (AMWarfield): and i am telling him that changing him to one of his friends is not an option…
[2/7/16, 11:58:34 PM] DeathThreats: fair enough
[2/7/16, 11:59:10 PM] DeathThreats: dorne is in a pretty shitty state right now
[2/8/16, 12:07:35 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): well
[2/8/16, 12:07:57 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): you’ve built it up before
[2/8/16, 12:08:09 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): you’ve inherited a lot of aetherius’ problems though namely bolton
[2/8/16, 12:08:18 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): and the north by extension
[2/8/16, 12:09:18 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): the offer I can arrange mitigates or solves that issue as well as gives a tangible tie to dommel for when the rebellion happens
[2/8/16, 12:10:12 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): I’ve always thought of neutrality as a meme
[2/8/16, 12:10:38 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): If 2 people are fighting and 48 people stand around them “waiting to join the winning side” then what’s the point of the conflict to begin with if literally nobody cares enough to stick to a principle?
[2/8/16, 12:11:05 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): I like guys who proactively sway a tide rather than waiting for it to be done for them - which are you?
[2/8/16, 12:13:31 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): wait a sec
[2/8/16, 12:13:38 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): did he leave or did tharundil recruit him
[2/8/16, 12:13:45 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): i recall telling you about him doing that to me
[2/8/16, 12:15:33 AM] DeathThreats: no idea
[2/8/16, 12:15:53 AM] DeathThreats: "im switching houses. its not because of you necessarily death"
[2/8/16, 12:18:23 AM] DeathThreats: its a tough choice to side with someone when you're literally friends with every lord paramount
[2/8/16, 12:18:35 AM] DeathThreats: and everyone has a defect to me
[2/8/16, 12:19:17 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): explain
[2/8/16, 12:20:01 AM] DeathThreats: im friends with oscuras, I don't like that he expects me to automatically side with him like I have no choice
[2/8/16, 12:20:11 AM] DeathThreats: josh is cool just immature at times
[2/8/16, 12:20:17 AM] DeathThreats: hoster
[2/8/16, 12:20:30 AM] DeathThreats: actually theres nothing wrong with hoster
[2/8/16, 12:21:12 AM] DeathThreats: troy is practically the same as osc
[2/8/16, 12:22:19 AM] DeathThreats: he was trying to get me to side against osc and josh earlier today
[2/8/16, 12:23:53 AM] DeathThreats: honestly ill align myself with whichever side proves to be a better ally
[2/8/16, 12:27:01 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): you want to be competed for, then?
[2/8/16, 12:27:08 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): also, what’s my defect in your view
[2/8/16, 12:29:47 AM] DeathThreats: i feel like i cant trust you as much. you're very dedicated to your house and would do anything to protect it. even if it meant going behind your allies back and fucking them over
[2/8/16, 12:29:49 AM] DeathThreats: no offense
[2/8/16, 12:30:11 AM] DeathThreats: im sure you have some sort of defect against me
[2/8/16, 12:31:31 AM] DeathThreats: then again it seems like most every lp is like that
[2/8/16, 12:31:40 AM] DeathThreats: so i cant really say you in particular
[2/8/16, 12:32:14 AM] DeathThreats: the only people who haven't bothered trying to get me to side with them are hoster and sticky so
[2/8/16, 12:32:26 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): oscuras is sticky
[2/8/16, 12:32:34 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): just without the mask
[2/8/16, 12:32:41 AM] DeathThreats: in some ways yes
[2/8/16, 12:33:05 AM] DeathThreats: sticky can and does function without oscuras though
[2/8/16, 12:33:31 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): he’s needed osc sending in people to do so much as run the region for him
[2/8/16, 12:33:33 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): mitchell etc
[2/8/16, 12:33:48 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): everyone who gets exiled from lannister is sent to stormlands
[2/8/16, 12:33:58 AM] DeathThreats: part of me feels like Mitchell volunteered for the spot
[2/8/16, 12:34:07 AM] DeathThreats: stannis is one of my favorite characters
[2/8/16, 12:34:17 AM] DeathThreats: i even considered taking it
[2/8/16, 12:34:21 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): he had a group from TSK
[2/8/16, 12:34:25 AM] DeathThreats: but he did come from lannister
[2/8/16, 12:34:26 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): so that probably factored in
[2/8/16, 12:36:08 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): anyways, I believe in common interest and mutual benefit
[2/8/16, 12:36:19 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): and that a region such as the crown can find it with every region barring active rebels
[2/8/16, 12:36:54 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): I’ve helped my friends such as Viscarios, Osc changed his vote and tried to strongarm others into doing so when I cast mine for him
[2/8/16, 12:37:04 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): and everyone likes visc
[2/8/16, 12:37:08 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): it was purely political what he did
[2/8/16, 12:37:17 AM] DeathThreats: visc is a good leader
[2/8/16, 12:37:20 AM] DeathThreats: don't have any problems with him
[2/8/16, 12:37:23 AM] DeathThreats: other than vuk
[2/8/16, 12:37:28 AM] DeathThreats: and his rking
[2/8/16, 12:37:38 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): that can be solved or lessened
[2/8/16, 12:38:08 AM] DeathThreats: its not really that much of a problem
[2/8/16, 12:38:13 AM] DeathThreats: just a thorn in my side
[2/8/16, 12:40:17 AM] DeathThreats: the shitty thing about when i went inactive and got replaced was that aetherius built up his influence in dorne and when i came back everybody was so loyal to aetherius that they hated me for trying to become prince again. now that he's gone most everybody in dorne either left or plan on leaving
[2/8/16, 12:41:14 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): arthur will be staying
[2/8/16, 12:41:21 AM] DeathThreats: he will.
[2/8/16, 12:41:34 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): no, i mean, I talked to him about it
[2/8/16, 12:41:42 AM] DeathThreats: we spoke about it
[2/8/16, 12:41:46 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): yea
[2/8/16, 12:42:04 AM] DeathThreats: it sucks too because like a week before i became prince again i gave my original house martell back to my friend who gave it to me
[2/8/16, 12:42:06 AM] DeathThreats: and he sold it
[2/8/16, 12:42:16 AM] DeathThreats: and now the asshole wants 1.5k for the group
[2/8/16, 12:42:42 AM] DeathThreats: i wasn't even expecting to become prince again
[2/8/16, 12:42:44 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): osc would probably give you some of his scam money for it
[2/8/16, 12:43:43 AM] DeathThreats: meh
[2/8/16, 12:43:55 AM] DeathThreats: well shit, it's late
[2/8/16, 12:43:58 AM] DeathThreats: im heading off.
[2/8/16, 12:44:02 AM] DeathThreats: we'll talk more tomorrow.
[2/8/16, 12:44:08 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): all-right
[2/8/16, 12:44:32 AM] Patrick (AMWarfield): think about the offer - it’s in mutual benefit I believe