Cased	Well first off you should decide whether this is
19:55	Teddehh	You should use mega-steelix :]
19:55	Cased	A good team WITH Servine
19:55	Cased	Or
19:55	Cased	A good team AROUND Servine
19:55	CanEhDian	true
19:55	amarillo	^
19:55	Cased	Two different things
19:55	SirKay	I think with is the better option
19:56	Cased	Around usually has
19:56	Cased	Lures and things
19:56	SirKay	around makes it a weaker team in general seeing as how sub-par servine is
19:56	Cased	Yeah that's fair no doubt
19:56	Cased	Just wanna make sure everyone is on
19:56	Cased	Same page
19:56	Cased	Regarding how to go from here
19:56	Cased	Because you could take the lure-route
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19:56	Cased	Or just make the team generally solid
19:56	not_karane	make solid 4 me
19:57	Drifblimp	i think the team with servine is fine
19:57	amarillo	yeah solid all arounder is good i think because
19:57	not_karane	so it could be usable against a majority of meta and beginners can use it and learn something
19:57	Teddehh	i think you should use diglett for poison types and sticky web! :]
19:57	brendannn	yea
19:57	amarillo	some games its really hard for servine to sweep and having servine as ur main wincon can get ugly
19:57	CanEhDian	teddehh please dont be like that :[
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19:58	not_karane	i think there are two routes here
19:58	Blaziken	there's a lot of stuff that will stop servine so
19:58	amarillo	i mean lures are ok too!
19:58	CanEhDian	lures are more fun for sure
19:58	CanEhDian	but not generally as solid
19:58	not_karane	spikes + scarf servine , sticky web + eviolite/life orb
19:58	Cased	Well around also means like
19:58	SirKay	I'd go spikes. Web just aren't in a good place rn
19:58	Drifblimp	spikes + scarf
19:58	Cased	eh nvrm
19:58	Cased	Yeah Webs blow nowadays
19:59	Cased	I tried making a team with Charm CM Mesprit + Webs
19:59	Blaziken	web hasn't been worthwhile in like
19:59	CanEhDian	lel
19:59	amarillo	charm mesprit
19:59	Blaziken	idk literally forever
19:59	sg|afk	its good
19:59	sg|afk	do nt
19:59	sg|afk	judge
19:59	sg|afk	charm mesprit
19:59	amarillo	i never judged
19:59	CanEhDian	next teambuilding shop
19:59	CanEhDian	charm mesprit
19:59	not_karane	no h8 m8
19:59	Tsunami	a teambuildin session lead by cased victory
19:59	CanEhDian	y/n
19:59	Blaziken	y
19:59	Tsunami	classic
19:59	SirKay	y
19:59	amarillo	stop judging me as person who judges
19:59	sg|afk	fk tsunami
19:59	sg|afk	whos rby next week
19:59	sg|afk	i mean
19:59	mib_kawpog	back to the team
19:59	sg|afk	for you
20:00	Tsunami	obviously anti
20:00	Tsunami	hello
20:00	sg|afk	cool
20:00	Omfuga	hey tsunami
20:00	Omfuga	how did it feel
20:00	mib_kawpog	what role are we filling for our third member
20:00	CanEhDian	is garbage confirmed or nah
20:00	Omfuga	getting crushed in GSC OU
20:00	Omfuga	6-0
20:00	Omfuga	a tier u supposedly play.
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20:00	Tsunami	nah nah
20:00	Tsunami	i cant beat omfuga
20:00	Drifblimp	lets go with garbage
20:00	Cased	23:02	Tsunami	a teambuildin session lead by cased victory
20:00	Cased	imagine being with me
20:00	Tsunami	this nigga uses the most subpar trash
20:00	Tsunami	that fucks me over
20:00	Cased	when I build for tours man
20:00	Omfuga	bro I 6-0'd fooly too
20:00	Tsunami	curse zapdos
20:00	Tsunami	are u fuckin kiddin  me
20:00	Tsunami	jynx
20:00	Omfuga	these niggas stay usin NOTHIn for innovation
20:00	Tsunami	ive seen enuff
20:00	Tsunami	LOL
20:00	Omfuga	curse saved me the GAME
20:00	Omfuga	JYNX IS GOD IN EVERY GEN
20:00	Cased	aight be quiet niggas
20:00	Omfuga	what are u talkin about
20:00	Omfuga	oml.
20:00	amarillo	cuse zapdos Xd
20:00	Cased	we're tryna
20:00	Cased	teambuild
20:00	not_karane	jynx sprite
20:00	Cased	omfuga shush
20:00	Omfuga	ok.
20:01	amarillo	ok lets get back to the actual teambuildin pls
20:01	not_karane	garbodor seems like the next obv choice
20:01	amarillo	so are we decided on the spikes + psychic route?
20:01	CanEhDian	Scarf Servine / SpDef Camel / Spikes Garbage ?
20:01	brendannn	sounds good to me
20:01	SirKay	yep, I'm okay with this
20:01	Drifblimp	is it a balance team then?
20:01	Cased	Sounds like it
20:01	Cased	!
20:01	SirKay	do we wanna run offensive garb?
20:01	brendannn	ye
20:02	not_karane	so a ghostie or not
20:02	amarillo	it seems to be it!
20:02	CanEhDian	n
20:02	Cased	Offensive Garbo is cool but
20:02	Cased	Makes you 10x weaker
20:02	Cased	to things like
20:02	not_karane	or explosion garbage
20:02	Cased	Klink, Gurdurr
20:02	Drifblimp	we want garb for spikes
20:02	Cased	You probably want
20:02	Cased	To be alright
20:02	Cased	Against things like
20:02	Cased	Gurdurr and Klinklang
20:02	mib_kawpog	if we have defensive garb our core is weak to ground
20:02	CanEhDian	thats why we have cm psychic
20:02	CanEhDian	!
20:02	mib_kawpog	and our only ground resist atm is a scarfed nfe mon
20:02	not_karane	cm uxie gg
20:02	SirKay	given how dependent we on on spikes, I don't want xatu giving us issues
20:03	Drifblimp	can't rupt deal with xatu?
20:03	Blaziken	probably depends on what the xatu is
20:03	amarillo	yeah xatu cant really block rupt
20:03	brendannn	couldnt xatu just u-turn out into something that deals with rupt tho?
20:03	amarillo	then u sr as xatu switches out
20:03	amarillo	its a prediction game
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20:03	CanEhDian	xatu has a tough time hard switching into garbage anyways
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20:04	sg|afk	use offensive garbodor
20:04	not_karane	are we using a spinblocker or explosion garbodor peeps
20:04	sg|afk	to 2hko xatu
20:04	sg|afk	and u can be helmet too
20:04	not_karane	is rock blast viable to hit defog chops n xatu
20:04	amarillo	yeah just get enough dmg to 2hko xatu
20:04	CanEhDian	i'll calc
20:04	amarillo	would be an option
20:04	SirKay	how much investment is that?
20:05	SirKay	if anyone knows off the top of their heads
20:05	sg|afk	its just
20:05	sg|afk	adamant
20:05	sg|afk	max max
20:05	not_karane	around 50% to xatu
20:05	sg|afk	lol
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20:05	sg|afk	you want max speed
20:05	not_karane	max def xatu with no attack investment
20:05	sg|afk	that way you can also beat toad too
20:05	not_karane	no sg..
20:05	sg|afk	w/ seed bomb
20:05	sg|afk	?
20:05	sg|afk	im talking of garbodor
20:05	sg|afk	max atk max spe adamant
20:05	sg|afk	helmet
20:06	amarillo	yeah hes saying that u need to be max atk to 2hko xatu
20:06	amarillo	with helmet
20:06	sg|afk	if u want to beat xatu
20:06	sg|afk	or jolly w/ toxic plate
20:06	sg|afk	works too
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20:06	sg|afk	but helmet is cool
20:06	CanEhDian	helmet is cool
20:06	CanEhDian	ye
20:06	sg|afk	so u can soft check physical attackers
20:06	Drifblimp	we should just use bulky garb
20:06	Cased	bulky garb and lo garb are
20:06	Cased	so different
20:06	Cased	use-wise
20:06	Cased	you should really be committed to the set
20:07	not_karane	dunno how well garbdor with zero hp investment takes hits
20:07	Cased	it
20:07	Cased	doesnt do
20:07	Cased	very well
20:07	Cased	lol
20:07	sg|afk	it takes
20:07	sg|afk	what it needs to take
20:07	Cased	it's 2hkod
20:07	Cased	by CB Sawk
20:07	Cased	lol
20:07	sg|afk	ye
20:07	CanEhDian	bulk garb can also act as a soft check to kanga as well tho
20:07	amarillo	rip
20:07	CanEhDian	which can revenge serp
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20:07	sg|afk	but if you need it to be offensive
20:07	Cased	indeed
20:07	Cased	regarding like
20:07	not_karane	we will be using ghost/cm psychic anyway
20:07	Cased	prediction and stuff
20:07	not_karane	cased
20:07	Cased	if your opp. has balls and shit
20:07	sg|afk	and to check sawk too
20:07	Drifblimp	would we want bulky to be a more reliable spikes setter
20:07	sg|afk	u can run jolly
20:07	sg|afk	outspeed adam sawk
20:07	not_karane	so we could use offenseive one
20:08	sg|afk	i dont even know the team anyway
20:08	Cased	if you want to be trashgazer
20:08	Cased	use LO Garb
20:08	sg|afk	just pointing out offensive garbo exist
20:08	Cased	and miss gunk shot
20:08	sg|afk	nah not LO
20:08	sg|afk	toxic plate work
20:08	sg|afk
20:08	amarillo	we only have carf serp and camerupt
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20:08	CanEhDian	and some form of garbage
20:09	CanEhDian	o shit i prolly should have gotten the logs
20:09	CanEhDian	rip me
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20:09	Blaziken	how much can servine to an eggy
20:09	Blaziken	*do to
20:09	amarillo	not too much
20:09	SirKay	went afk. Did we decided on a garb set?
20:09	Blaziken	then eggy's looking pretty scary
brendannn	just curious, what moves would scarf servine run?
20:10	mib_kawpog	knock off on scarfvine for eggy switch ins tru
20:10	amarillo	leaf storm, giga drain, then probably like some random status moves probs
20:10	not_karane	obligatory leaf strom
20:10	not_karane	and fillers
20:10	CanEhDian	amarillo im liking bulky garb
20:10	Blaziken	wonder how much hp fire does to ferro
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20:10	CanEhDian	b/c it checks kanga
20:10	CanEhDian	which is a threat rn
20:10	not_karane	team is kinda slow right now
20:11	not_karane	we need some speed peeps
20:11	amarillo	ye ok lets go with bulky garb
20:11	CASED	A lot of NU is slow right now !
20:11	Drifblimp	we need a spinblocker
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20:11	amarillo	yeah nu is pretty slow!
20:11	CanEhDian	especially since a lot of kanga's are running tail rn
20:11	CanEhDian	to hit don
20:11	CASED	But I agree I often get worried
20:11	mib_kawpog	sneasel cuz it works very well with camerupt and liligant
20:11	CASED	Regarding speed
20:11	mib_kawpog	i mean servine
20:11	not_karane	a couple of fast mons are pretty much needed imo
20:12	not_karane	or at least one
20:12	Drifblimp	are we decided on bulky garb?
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20:12	CanEhDian	y
20:12	SirKay	how much creep are we running on it?
20:12	amarillo	unless other ppl have other ideas i think thats where we seem to be headed
20:12	SirKay	just standard?
20:12	amarillo	we probs outspeed eggy and stuff
20:12	amarillo	standard
20:12	mkangg	what counters scarfed plosion?
20:12	SirKay	mmk
20:12	CanEhDian	if we agreed cm psychic
20:12	amarillo	we have camerupt
20:12	CanEhDian	cm 3 attacks uxie
20:12	CanEhDian	seems legit rn
20:12	Drifblimp	yeah uxie sounds nice
20:12	Blaziken	we have a camel, are we remotely concerned about scarfed typh
20:12	CanEhDian	no
20:13	not_karane	we need a wallbreaker imo
20:13	CASED	alright
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20:13	CASED	Energy / Signal / Psychic or Shock depending on preference
20:13	SirKay	unless that man is a lord and has hp water typh
20:13	skup	can someone tell me where the team is at?
20:13	SirKay	not really
20:13	not_karane	so we don't have trouble against fat teams
20:13	CanEhDian	thats what i was thinking case
20:13	CanEhDian	d
20:14	mkangg	whats standard spread for mantine?
20:14	Drifblimp	do we want giga drain over energy ball?
20:14	CanEhDian	giga drain is good y
20:14	SirKay	Mkangg, ask the nu chat
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20:14	amarillo	giga is alright
mib_kawpog	whats the advantage of an offensive uxie over offensive mesprit
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20:15	CanEhDian	more speed
20:15	CanEhDian	and bulk
20:15	amarillo	speed is big
20:15	not_karane	immediate power
20:15	amarillo	and ease of setup because bulkE
20:15	CASED	bulk / speed mainly
20:15	amarillo	so we shud probs look back at the team and see if there's things we have any glaring holes
20:15	CanEhDian	i dont like the fact
20:15	Drifblimp	what is our water switch in
20:16	SirKay	what mons are we at rn?
20:16	CanEhDian	that servine is our only switch
20:16	amarillo	spdef sr camel / scarf servine / bulky garbodor / cm uxie
20:16	CanEhDian	into waters
20:16	CASED	Camerupt / Garbodor / Servine / Uxie / ? / ?
20:16	brendannn	archeops is annoying
20:16	CanEhDian	servine OHKO's after rocks with +0 leaf storm but it can't switch in
20:16	CASED	modest or timid
20:16	CanEhDian	modest
20:17	CASED	kk
20:17	Finc2612	are you guys building a team or smth
20:17	CASED	Teambuilding Workshop
20:17	amarillo	yeah finc2612
20:17	SirKay	yes
20:17	Finc2612
20:17	CanEhDian	would you like to join in and help
20:17	Finc2612	dont let cased convince you guys to use
20:17	Finc2612	whirlpool wartortle
20:17	Finc2612	this is all.
20:17	CanEhDian	more spl voices isnt a bad thing
20:17	not_karane	doesn't timid mean scarf sprit outspeeds
20:17	skup	arent opposing mega camels a problem?
20:17	SirKay	sounds like a beast set
20:17	SirKay	lets use it
20:17	CASED	..
20:17	SirKay	:]
20:17	skup	especially if they outspeed your camel
20:17	Finc2612	?
20:17	CanEhDian	scarf sprit runs neutral nature too
20:18	CanEhDian	so we outspeed
20:18	not_karane	really?
20:18	CASED	Scarf Sprit likes Timid
20:18	CASED	Bt
20:18	CASED	Modest does pack a noticeable power difference
20:18	Drifblimp	don't they go adamant
20:18	CASED	Special Scarf gained a bit more popularity
20:18	CASED	as ORAS progressed
20:18	amarillo	yeah
20:18	amarillo	special scarf is great i think
20:19	not_karane	we need a chops check, cm psychic check, and pursuit mon to check scarf mesprit
20:19	not_karane	sneasel
20:19	CanEhDian	we dont need a pursuit mon
20:19	Finc2612	i like
20:19	Finc2612	scarf physical better but
20:19	mib_kawpog	solrock checks archeops
20:19	mib_kawpog	gg
20:19	Finc2612	both are viable
20:19	not_karane	really good mon right now
20:19	CanEhDian	the fact that we have 0 switch-ins to water types
20:19	not_karane	we don't need it but we can
20:19	CanEhDian	is frightening
20:19	CASED	Well there are always options to
20:19	CASED	take on Water-types
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20:21	mib_kawpog	if water is such a problem rn we should run a water spam team
20:21	skup	seed could be nice to come in on water types
20:21	skup	also a normal resist
20:21	mib_kawpog	well thats just a weather team i guess
20:21	skup	for kanga
20:21	CanEhDian	seed doesnt really fit
20:21	amarillo	i mean seed + garbo
20:22	amarillo	doesnt sound very promising!
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20:22	amarillo	i mean it might be ok
20:22	not_karane	since grass types are the usual water switchins and we have a non eviolite servine, we could use jynx
20:22	skup	i feel like we need a normal resist somewhere, eq kanga kinda beats the team now
20:22	skup	oh right i forgot we already had spikes
20:22	skup	mb
20:22	amarillo	i do agree on normal resist somewhere
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20:22	amarillo	wat about stone edge archeops
20:22	CanEhDian	archeops to check archeops
20:22	CanEhDian	ye
20:22	CanEhDian	icu
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20:22	SirKay	what if we dropped garb for ferro, then picked up a different fighting type switch in?
20:23	skup	what about pawn to stop defog?
20:23	skup	and normal resist
20:23	skup	and somewhat archeops check
20:23	SirKay	nets up normal resist, water switch in, and something for archeops
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20:23	Blaziken	almost about to say qwilfish
20:23	Blaziken	but rip
20:23	skup	last slot NEEDS to be a water switch in, but
20:23	SirKay	rip
20:23	not_karane	yea good one sir kay
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20:23	amarillo	yeah water switch somewhere would be nice
20:23	amarillo	got a lot of options
20:24	not_karane	we need a good water switch ins since we only have a non eviolie servine to check waters
20:24	CanEhDian	the only problem with running chops to check chops
20:24	skup	the biggest threats i see rn are archeops, kanga, waters in general, and opposing camel
20:24	CanEhDian	is that most chops run tail now
20:24	skup	if the other camel outspeeds our camel aren't we fucked?
20:25	not_karane	whats tail
20:25	Blaziken	run passho berry archeops
20:25	CASED	Aqua Tail
20:25	skup	aqua tail
20:25	CanEhDian	uxie checks camel
20:25	SirKay	aqua tail
20:25	CASED	n_n
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20:25	not_karane	servine/rupt/garb we need something for cm psychics
20:25	SirKay	I'm in favor of just dropping garb for ferro, then picking up a different fighting resist
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20:25	mib_kawpog	me too kay
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20:26	Blaziken	me three
20:26	brendannn	sounds good
20:26	Drifblimp	alright
20:26	CanEhDian	double grass seems awful synergy wise
20:26	SirKay	tho speedy camel still takes a dump on our team
20:26	amarillo	i mean if u wanna arch checks and water check
20:26	amarillo	rotom-s might be k
20:26	amarillo	idk
20:26	CanEhDian	^
20:26	skup	not coming in on waters with scarf
20:26	skup	and not beating chops no scarf
20:26	skup	so
20:27	Blaziken	also doesn't help with camel issues that much
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20:27	not_karane	most chops don't run stone edge so it can somwhat beat chops
20:27	SirKay	gotta run afk
20:27	SirKay	brb
20:28	Blaziken	almost tempted to say like pelipper
20:28	amarillo	but the thing is u really can't cover like acrobatics / aqua tail / stone edge / eq
20:28	amarillo	on 1 mon
20:28	skup	phys def toed
20:28	CanEhDian	garb actually checks acro + tail
20:29	CanEhDian	tbh
20:30	Blaziken	unless like heat wave doesn't seed also do decently vs archeops
20:30	skup	yeah id think so
20:30	skup	and then camel takes out the fire issues from dual grass, besides other camel
20:30	skup	which we'd need to cover for
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20:30	Blaziken	and the double grass thing doesn't seem too bad because ferroseed's only shared weakness is fire
20:30	skup	mantine could be good as a fight resist, water switch in, camel check
20:30	skup	i think
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20:31	mib_kawpog	honestly man scarfed servine is hard to build around
20:31	not_karane	we should just go offense rather than trying to be balanced and trying to check everything
20:31	Blaziken	it's servine
20:31	Drifblimp	in the end, we are still building with a servine
20:31	amarillo	yeah we should go on the offensive is probably better than checking things defensively
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20:32	CanEhDian	imo rotom-s sounds good b/c
20:32	CASED	rotom-S
20:32	CanEhDian	garb checks tail + acro
20:32	CanEhDian	and rotom-s beats acro eq
20:32	CanEhDian	+ it checks waters
20:32	amarillo	but stone + acro!
20:32	amarillo	G_G
20:32	CanEhDian	!
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20:33	Drifblimp	wouldn't ferroseed deal with that because if its bulk
20:33	skup	if were running garb were not running seed
20:33	skup	so
20:33	SirKay	back
20:33	mib_kawpog	will there be an importable of this team on the forums
20:33	Blaziken	well that's the thing
20:33	amarillo	yes
20:33	SirKay	did we decide on anything while I was gone?
20:33	Blaziken	do we want garb or do we go seed route
20:33	not_karane	why are we trying to cover a mon that has pretty much no switchins?
20:34	mib_kawpog	rotom s sir kay
20:34	amarillo	we have same 4 mons
20:34	amarillo	and potentially deciding on rotom-s
20:34	SirKay	mmk
20:34	SirKay	rotom-s I assume is for speed + an archeops switch in
20:34	SirKay	correct?
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20:34	amarillo	yeah
20:34	SirKay	k
20:34	amarillo	and water check offensively
20:34	Drifblimp	yes
20:34	SirKay	I dig it
20:34	skup	if we run rotom s opposing mega camel is a really big problem tho
20:35	Blaziken	time for hp water
20:35	atomicllamas	HP water e belt rotom-s
20:35	CanEhDian	e-belt hp water
20:35	amarillo	we can use hp water on it if
20:35	SirKay	we run hp water lure
20:35	CanEhDian	lol
20:35	SirKay	imo
20:35	SirKay	x]
20:35	Blaziken	lol 5 at once
20:35	SirKay	must be a good idea then
20:35	atomicllamas	still hits the same thing as HP grass e belt rotom-s in Gen 5
20:35	atomicllamas	aka best mon
20:35	SirKay	do we wanna run ebelt or scarf?
20:35	SirKay	we already have scarf servin
20:35	Drifblimp	ebelt
20:35	not_karane	seismitoad/pawniard/rotom/garbodor/servine/chops
20:35	not_karane	ez
20:35	SirKay	ooooor
20:36	SirKay	sub malamar
20:36	SirKay	over pawn
20:36	SirKay	+1 evasion is sexy
20:36	amarillo	if we were to add rotom-s, wed have servine camerupt garbodor uxie rotom-s
20:36	CanEhDian	e-belt rotom-s
20:36	SirKay	abused by sub
20:36	CanEhDian	y/n
20:36	SirKay	y
20:36	mib_kawpog	 we need a water type
20:36	mib_kawpog	for the ice and water resists
20:36	CanEhDian	i was thinking we could run something like sd rott
20:36	CanEhDian	to abuse spikes
20:36	not_karane	samurott
20:36	not_karane	life orb
20:36	CanEhDian	and clean late game
20:36	Blaziken	also a water type is nice because
20:36	Drifblimp	yeah that sounds nice
20:36	mib_kawpog	maybe floatzel since it outspeeds archeops
20:36	CanEhDian	and provide priority
20:36	Blaziken	after camel dies fire is really scary
20:37	SirKay	we have rotom for archeops
20:37	Drifblimp	it can also set up on burned yamas
20:37	Blaziken	or if fire mons beat camel they're scary
20:37	CanEhDian	sd rott can check chops as well
20:37	CanEhDian	and camel
20:37	brendannn	a water type is lookin nice
20:37	brendannn	samurott?
20:37	Blaziken	priority is always nice too
20:37	SirKay	we also have that fire/water/grass core goin on now
20:37	SirKay	:]
20:37	not_karane	life orb w aqua jet is better mio
20:37	brendannn	ye
20:37	mib_kawpog	niether of our walls have recovery btw
20:37	skup	wheres the normal resist
20:37	not_karane	special samurott
20:37	SirKay	not an issue
20:38	SirKay	skup
20:38	SirKay	it's called hope.
20:38	CanEhDian	garbodor is the normal resist
20:38	skup	kanga really kinda runs through the team if eq
20:38	CanEhDian	ez
20:38	amarillo	yeah normal weakness i p big
20:38	SirKay	nu needs a water/ steel mon
20:38	amarillo	id also say samu is good
20:38	SirKay	>.>
20:38	mib_kawpog	frilish
20:38	mib_kawpog	try
20:38	CanEhDian	maybe rotom-n > rotom-s
20:38	CanEhDian	idk
20:38	Drifblimp	n scrappy
20:38	mib_kawpog	truu
20:38	amarillo	or we could try
20:38	amarillo	wisp on rotom0s
20:39	amarillo	with ebelt
20:39	Shuckleking87	^^
20:39	CanEhDian	enough speed for adamant kanga
20:39	CanEhDian	sounds cool
20:39	mib_kawpog	wisp with tspikes?
20:39	amarillo	u dont have to tspike
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20:39	SirKay	you don't have to get a tspike
20:39	amarillo	and u wont get tspikes up every game
20:39	not_karane	then we are ridiculously weak to fast camerupt
20:39	mib_kawpog	oh garb isnt tspikes set
20:39	Drifblimp	we have rotter
20:39	amarillo	i think we are adding samurott
20:39	skup	another perk of rotom-n is it spinblocks claydol e.e
20:39	amarillo	i think samurott is really necessary here
20:39	mib_kawpog	yas samurott
20:40	amarillo	or not necessary but nice
20:40	SirKay	I personally dont like rotom-n. To many 50/50s
20:40	CanEhDian	bulky rotom-n
20:40	CanEhDian	not scarf
20:40	Drifblimp	are we using ebelt rotom n and rotter?
20:40	SirKay	oh
20:40	SirKay	I'm dumb
20:40	CanEhDian	if we do go with it
20:40	CanEhDian	idk yet
20:40	CASED	Btw guys for Garbodor Spikes / Haze / Gunk / Seed or Drain?
20:40	CASED	Sorry if
20:40	not_karane	hp water rotom y/n
20:40	CASED	Off-topic
20:40	CASED	HP Water is only good on LO
20:40	mib_kawpog	we could run life orb sub split rotom s
20:40	not_karane	servine sets on toad anyway
20:40	amarillo	o wats wrong with eble
20:40	CASED	just
20:40	CASED	power
20:41	amarillo	does it miss out on kos
20:41	not_karane	why haze master cased
20:41	CASED	klinklang
20:41	amarillo	well ya i guess  the neutral stab power
20:41	CASED	mainly
20:41	CASED	if it gets
20:41	CASED	out of hand
20:41	CASED	haze is cool for like
20:41	CASED	Audino too if you dont wanna rely
20:41	CASED	on GunkMiss
20:41	CanEhDian	haze is cool w/ seed bomb too
20:41	not_karane	we have rotom+camerupt i think
20:41	CASED	Do we have Rotom
20:41	CASED	definitely
20:41	brendannn	haze would be good for malamar too
20:41	CASED	Yeah
20:41	CanEhDian	rotom-n or s?
20:42	mib_kawpog	if we have rotom we r weak to ghost
20:42	Drifblimp	s
20:42	CASED	I dont think S is great in a non-Lix meta but yeah
20:42	amarillo	we have spdef camel for ghosties
20:42	Drifblimp	s also helps kill grasses for rotter
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20:42	CanEhDian	bulky n seems cool
20:42	CanEhDian	tbh
20:42	skup	i like servine/camel/garbo/uxie/rotom-n/rott tbh
20:43	brendannn	yeah same
20:43	not_karane	sneasel fyucks it
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20:43	mib_kawpog	sawk can eq this team to peices
20:43	Shuckleking87	not really
20:43	CASED	uxie oo
20:43	CASED	a lot of sawk dont
20:43	CASED	mold break
20:43	CASED	anymore
20:43	mib_kawpog	uxie gets 3hkoed tho
20:43	CanEhDian	bulky rotom-n outspeeds
20:43	CanEhDian	and burns
20:43	CASED	uxie also
20:43	CASED	outpaces
20:43	CASED	!
20:43	CanEhDian	tru
20:43	amarillo	uxie also outpaces and ohkoes
20:44	amarillo	with ahzard
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20:44	mib_kawpog	how does bulky rotom outspeed a sawk
20:44	mkangg	guys
20:44	Drifblimp	sawk run adamant
20:44	SirKay	CM runs a lot of speed
20:44	mkangg	skay
20:44	CanEhDian	you run enough speed >.>
20:44	mkangg	how old r u
20:44	SirKay	off topic, but 19
20:45	SirKay	back on topic
20:45	skup	also if sawk locks itself into eq servine comes in and starts spamming leaf storm
20:45	skup	so thats nice
20:45	SirKay	now that we have rotom-n
20:45	mib_kawpog	servine probs gets 2hkoed
20:45	SirKay	how well does it take on archeops?
20:45	SirKay	I haven't used bulky rotom-n
20:45	CanEhDian	bulky n beats chops
20:45	CASED	if it doesnt have knock off
20:45	SirKay	cool
20:45	CASED	it's good
20:45	CASED	also stone edge + acrobatics iirc
20:45	CASED	kills bulky rotom-n after rocks
20:46	CASED	but depends if
20:46	CASED	taunt or not
20:46	skup	if sawk turns out to be a huge issue could we run colbur uxie?
20:46	CASED	yeah but leftovers is nice
20:46	CanEhDian	lefties is mandatory imo
20:46	CASED	for longevity
20:46	Drifblimp	we could run colbur rotom
20:46	mib_kawpog	yo knock off destroys us tho
20:46	CanEhDian	do you wanna talk about specific sets now
20:46	skup	camel takes KO pretty nicely iirc
20:46	SirKay	I think so
20:46	skup	considering were bulky camel
20:47	CanEhDian	servine is p much leaf storm 3 fillers lol
20:47	CanEhDian	knock off is cool
20:47	not_karane	you die any cc/eq tho
20:47	CanEhDian	to cripple yama
20:47	Drifblimp	just to make sure: camel/servine/uxie/garb/rotom/rotter
20:47	CanEhDian	y
20:47	SirKay	yep
20:47	mib_kawpog	extended matches will be pretty hard considering that we have only one mon with recovery in the form of gigadrain
20:47	amarillo	we have spikestack offense
20:47	amarillo	we dont need stall on offense
20:47	amarillo	,
20:48	CanEhDian	^
20:48	SirKay	^
20:48	SirKay	and if the game does happen to go late
20:48	mib_kawpog	oh is garb offensive
20:48	CanEhDian	on snake im gonna run leaf storm, knock off, glare filler
20:48	CanEhDian	garb is bulky
20:48	SirKay	we have good late win conditions
20:48	mib_kawpog	i thought we were defensive garb
20:48	CanEhDian	we are
20:48	skup	bulky shit with mantine could be an issue for us
20:48	skup	but idk how to cover for that
20:49	amarillo	we have rotom
20:49	mib_kawpog	rotom in our back pocket thats how
20:50	CanEhDian	amarillo what are you running on snake
20:50	Drifblimp	jolly kang isn't a thing right?
20:50	amarillo	hm so any other ideas to fix our weaknesse?
20:50	CanEhDian	no
20:51	not_karane	life orb samurott > sd rott
20:51	Shuckleking87	eggy does fairly well
20:51	mib_kawpog	ill double check all of the type weaknesses specificaly
20:51	CanEhDian	sd fits better imo
20:51	not_karane	we lack immediate power right now
20:51	SirKay	I agree
20:51	SirKay	LO is a better fit
20:51	not_karane	so we don't have to set up every time we wanna kill stuff
20:51	not_karane	it will be a good mid game wall breaker
20:52	not_karane	and servine can late game clean
20:52	mib_kawpog	doesnt life orb mean we have 1 physical attacker on the team
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20:52	mib_kawpog	being a defensive garb
20:52	CASED	that's not a huge deal right now
20:52	SirKay	little late dis ;]
20:52	Drifblimp	that doesn't matter
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20:52	CASED	Most walls are Phys Def oriented
20:52	CASED	Plus Uxie has Psyshock I assume
20:52	CanEhDian	yeah
20:52	Disjunction	hii
20:52	not_karane	we beat most cm users anyway
20:52	amarillo	yeah uxie has psyshock and beats stuff like cm audino
20:53	amarillo	i dont know where '1 special attacker 1 phys attacker 1 spec wall 1 phys wall' came from
20:53	amarillo	>_>
20:53	Drifblimp	do we want sub to avoid status, or is grass coverage more important?
20:53	Finc2612	>_>
20:53	CanEhDian	LO rott with megahorn beats most cm'ers tbh
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20:53	skup	whats rotoms exact spread? enough speed for admamant kang and then the rest into phys bulk?
20:53	CanEhDian	bug coverage is phenominal rn
20:53	amarillo	yup covers malamar too
20:53	not_karane	we need a malamar check too
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20:53	CanEhDian	haze garb beats mar
20:53	brendannn	garb can soft check malamar
20:53	not_karane	ninja amarillo
20:53	mib_kawpog	our next build should be bug spam
20:53	skup	signal beam uxie is a malamar check
20:54	mib_kawpog	or volt turn
20:54	Drifblimp	you can always request a mon to fit that archetype in forums
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20:55	amarillo	k i back now
20:55	not_karane	we could struggle vs fast mons > 95 speed
20:55	SirKay	wb
20:55	Drifblimp	we have the bulk though
20:55	skup	scarf servine can hopefully patch that up
20:55	not_karane	but we have relevant things like chops, sneasel covered rn
20:56	CanEhDian	if we run megahorn on rott
20:56	mib_kawpog	do we have a swellow check
20:56	mib_kawpog	nvm
20:56	mib_kawpog	rotom
20:56	CanEhDian	that means no priority
20:56	amarillo	i think specs swellow fucks us atm no
20:56	Drifblimp	we can't cover everything
20:56	amarillo	wait why is that no priority
20:57	amarillo	sd + aj + waterfall + horn?
20:57	mib_kawpog	cuz aqua jet
20:57	not_karane	why were we using uxie again guys?
20:57	CanEhDian	ok
20:57	CanEhDian	i was under the impression
20:57	mib_kawpog	uxie is a fast cm user
20:57	CanEhDian	people were using special rott
20:57	amarillo	o
20:57	amarillo	oops
20:57	SirKay	lol
20:57	amarillo	specials cool too
20:57	amarillo	more wallbreaking action
20:57	amarillo	immediate power
20:58	Drifblimp	we should at least have aqua jet on it to revenge fire types
20:58	SirKay	so we're like 5 special mons with a garb
20:58	SirKay	nb
20:58	CanEhDian	both jet and megahorn are really good
20:58	CanEhDian	are we sure sd isnt the way
20:58	not_karane	uxie seems like a weak link to me personally
20:58	Drifblimp	we can always change it during the testing games
20:58	not_karane	we could try the team first i guess
20:59	brendannn	yeah i feel uxie being added was kind of rushed
21:00	Drifblimp	should we worry that rupt is our only way to beat ferroseed?
21:00	amarillo	is it?
21:00	CASED	uxie reks
21:00	CanEhDian	rotom beats it
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21:00	mib_kawpog	hp fire servine tho
21:00	amarillo	we can always add HP Fire
21:00	SirKay	it isn't our only way
21:00	amarillo	on serv
21:00	not_karane	servine has hp fire and rotom can burn it
21:00	Drifblimp	ok
21:00	CanEhDian	knock off servine cripples it too
21:01	CanEhDian	knock off serv cripples yama early game as well
21:02	cherub	oh are you guys building a servine team together?
21:02	Drifblimp	yes
21:02	skup	i like glare servine to cripple some fast shit like lilligant
21:02	skup	tbh
21:02	skup	typhlo
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21:02	amarillo	it still has room for glare
21:02	amarillo	leaf storm / glare / knock hp fire
21:02	CanEhDian	glare leaf storm hp fire knock
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21:03	amarillo	4 good moves
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21:03	Drifblimp	that sounds good
21:03	SirKay	we'll have a pastebin at the end right?
21:03	CanEhDian	yeah
21:03	SirKay	k good x]
21:03	not_karane	i feel like sneasel goes really well instead on uxie
21:03	CanEhDian	i got the team in the teambuilder rn
21:03	CanEhDian	and i have most of the chat in a pastebin rn
21:10	not_karane	gtg guys let me know you go
21:10	Drifblimp	how do we kill psychics?
21:11	Finc2612	banded sneasel is lord.
21:11	CanEhDian	are we running haze + seed bomb garb?
21:11	CanEhDian	we have banded sneasel
21:11	mib_kawpog	sneasel and rotom kill psychic
21:11	CanEhDian	and megahorn rott
21:11	Shuckleking87	is there pastebin for team so far?
21:11	SirKay	I thought we were special rott?
21:11	Drifblimp	ok i was jjust making sure that we weren't taking out sneasel for floatzel
21:11	CanEhDian	megahorn and aquajet are both p crucial
21:11	SirKay	ic
21:12	skup	wait we aded banded sneasel..?
21:12	skup	over what
21:12	Drifblimp	nvm i'm stupid
21:12	amarillo	over uxie i think
21:12	mib_kawpog	if we r using banded sneasel
21:12	mib_kawpog	should rott be our set up sweeper now
21:12	mib_kawpog	cuz uxie is gawn
21:12	amarillo	rott is physical because we need
21:13	amarillo	both megahorn and aj
21:13	SirKay	rip can-eh
21:13	mib_kawpog	oh so its already sd
21:13	amarillo	rip
21:13	mib_kawpog	must have missed that part
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ヽ(◉◡◔)ﾉ http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/the-never-used-tournament-league.3531643/
Topic set by Raseri on Thu Mar 05 2015 14:24:38 GMT-0800 (PST)
21:14	CanEhDian	gdi i disconnected
21:14	CanEhDian	and lost some of the log
21:14	CanEhDian	rip me
21:14	CASED	g_g
21:14	Drifblimp	it would be nice if we had pastebin checkpoints as this goes on to prevent confusion
21:14	CanEhDian	fuck the log
21:14	amarillo	ye fuck logs
21:14	CASED	hey not sure if this is too helpful but
21:14	karane	who reads that thing anyway
21:14	CASED	I've had a fair amount of success
21:14	CASED	With SubSalac Samurott
21:14	CASED	You miss the LO I guess
21:15	amarillo	whats the set?
21:15	amarillo	special?
21:15	CanEhDian	is that what you ran
21:15	CanEhDian	against sg
21:15	CASED	Yeah
21:15	CASED	vs. SG
21:15	CanEhDian	ah
21:15	CASED	It's
21:15	CASED	Sub / Hydro / Beam / GK or HP Electric
21:15	CASED	Your choice on filler slot
21:15	amarillo	ah cool set
21:16	CASED	it's neat
21:16	CASED	it got some use
21:16	CanEhDian	jet is nice to handle acro + edge chops easier
21:16	CASED	in BW2
21:16	CanEhDian	on this team
21:16	CanEhDian	idk
21:16	Drifblimp	megahorn helps with malamar
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21:17	CanEhDian	should bulky rotom
21:17	CanEhDian	run enough
21:17	CanEhDian	for jolly sawk?
21:17	amarillo	does jolly sawk exist
21:17	Shuckleking87	is jolly sawk common
21:17	CASED	for CB
21:17	CASED	yea
21:17	amarillo	idts
21:17	mib_kawpog	i run it alot
21:17	amarillo	o well
21:17	Drifblimp	we should at least have it now that uxie is gone
21:17	CASED	outpacing the
21:17	CASED	279/284s
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21:18	CASED	And the awkward 271 seismitoad / 273 garbos
21:18	CASED	comes in handy occasionally
21:18	amarillo	yeah now that we have no uxie
21:18	CanEhDian	i was running enough for adamant kanga
21:18	CanEhDian	but jolly sawk is good too
21:18	CASED	yeah 279 oo
21:18	CASED	but then
21:18	CASED	284 is right there
21:18	CASED	so then
21:18	CASED	you just wind up
21:18	CASED	keep creepin
21:18	CASED	and creepin
21:18	CASED	and creepin
21:18	amarillo	and ur max speed!
21:18	amarillo	wow1
21:18	CanEhDian	!
21:19	mib_kawpog	max speed max hp?
21:19	Drifblimp	i forget, is servine modest or timid?
21:19	CanEhDian	enough for jolly sawk
21:19	CanEhDian	max hp
21:19	CanEhDian	rest in def
21:19	brendannn	modest serv iirc
21:19	amarillo	rest in def
21:20	skup	248 hp/52 def/208 timid
21:20	CanEhDian	are we just running max max on sd rott
21:20	CanEhDian	or some bulk
21:20	skup	i mean at base 70,
21:21	skup	you kinda want max speed
21:21	skup	id imagine
21:21	Shuckleking87	i dont think max is needed
21:21	Drifblimp	we should run some bulk
21:21	Shuckleking87	what do we need to outspeed?
21:21	skup	the alternative i think is to creep over +spe 55s
21:21	CanEhDian	is timid eggy relevant enough
21:21	Drifblimp	60-70 isn't that crowded
21:21	skup	like cacturne
21:21	Shuckleking87	i would say so
21:21	CanEhDian	then we need 216 speed
21:21	CanEhDian	iirc
21:22	Drifblimp	should we creep pawniard? will we be fine with rupt?
21:22	skup	40/252 Adamant/216 Spe
21:22	skup	40 hp barely makes a differnece
21:22	skup	in terms of bulk
21:22	CanEhDian	haze garb + rupt deals with pawn
21:22	Drifblimp	ok
21:23	CanEhDian	are we running Drain or Seed Bomb on garbage?
21:23	mib_kawpog	i thought we needed rock blast for xatu
21:23	mib_kawpog	well i guess gunk does the job
21:24	Shuckleking87	we could run t spikes
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21:24	amarillo	i think coverage is p important
21:24	CanEhDian	haze is nice so we dont have to rely on megahorn
21:24	CanEhDian	to beat mar
21:24	mib_kawpog	i would say drain punch cuz i dont see any fighting coverage on this team apart from maybe low kick sneasel
21:24	brendannn	ye drain punch is probably the best
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21:26	Drifblimp	is it spikes/haze/gunk/seed bomb or drain right now?
21:26	amarillo	yeah
21:26	amarillo	i think drain punch's k
21:26	amarillo	seed bomb also lures water / grounds
21:26	amarillo	for rott
21:26	amarillo	which is cool
21:27	Drifblimp	i like seed bomb rn
21:27	CanEhDian	are we finished here?
21:28	CanEhDian	i got the whole team in pastebin
21:28	mib_kawpog	post the team pls
21:28	mib_kawpog	we should all ladder at the same time with this team tbh
21:28	Shuckleking87	lol
21:28	amarillo	i think we done
21:28	CanEhDian	thanks for coming everyone
21:28	CanEhDian	it was p fun
21:28	mib_kawpog	we should also make a counter team before we post this to forums
21:28	amarillo	shout out to cased =)
21:28	CanEhDian	team looks fun too
21:29	Drifblimp	are we going to test it?
21:29	CanEhDian	ty Cased
21:29	SirKay	thanks for having us :]
21:29	mib_kawpog	so that when it becomes a thing everyone gets beat by it
21:29	SirKay	also ty based Cased
21:29	CASED	hi
21:29	CASED	np
21:29	CASED	Keep buildin'
21:29	CanEhDian	keep usin slaking
21:29	CASED	Make your wildest dreams come true
21:29	CanEhDian	hehe bwoi