<herkz> i mean we sent them the translated scripts for kajitsu months and months ago and they never looked at them at all
<CoffeeFlux> this is truly a masterpiece of a website
<herkz> until they hired this new guy pretty recently
<herkz> then they found things to complain about
<herkz> so i'm quite sure none of them know any english
<Good_Haro> oh they were giving you guys shit over the script?
<CoffeeFlux> wow
<Good_Haro> that sucks :\
<herkz> yes
<herkz> of course
<herkz> they complain about everything
<CoffeeFlux> i'm sure you love having people that barely know english criticize your tl
<CoffeeFlux> that sounds like a fun and fulfilling experience
<herkz> nah, it's the creators complaining
<CoffeeFlux> o
<herkz> the guy who knows english just translates back and forth
<CoffeeFlux> what can they complain about?
<herkz> how stuff was localized
<herkz> probably like "omg how dare you change my vision for this specific thing???" or something
<CoffeeFlux> so you have people that don't know english complaining about your localization decisions
<CoffeeFlux> even better
<Moogy> yes
<herkz> i said not to give in
<Good_Haro> the worst we've had to deal with lately is logos getting rejected :\
<Ayumii> logos?
<Good_Haro> we've been trying to do english logos for things but they have to be approved and stuff
<Good_Haro> to be expected but yeah
<ultama121> have they suggested any reasonable localization changes?
<ultama121> or is it just them saying "we don't like this" and then letting you loose
<herkz> of course not
<herkz> they basically want things to not be translated
<ultama121> lol
<herkz> which is not a reasonable solution
<CoffeeFlux> lovely
<CoffeeFlux> they should hire eclipse editors
<herkz> also it's kind of funny because the game has been on steam for a while now
<Good_Haro> are they trying to get you to change shit now...? lol
<Moogy> yes
<Moogy> they clearly never actually looked at the scripts before
<Good_Haro> that's um...
<Good_Haro> lol
<Moogy> the issue in question is probably something they only noticed because it's in the ED videos
<Moogy> and they kept bitching about the videos
<Good_Haro> man that sucks
<Moogy> i can't blame SP if they never work with FW again
<Moogy> and it looks like FW wants to do their own stuff now anyway
<Good_Haro> yeah everything I"ve heard just sounds awful...
<Moogy> so i hope people enjoy an engrish translation of hatsumira
<herkz> it's funny because they refuse and/or can't give us any useful files for the videos but they give all these ridiculous requirements
<Moogy> the engine also only supports mpeg1
<Good_Haro> MG's partners sound like a cakewalk by comparison
<Moogy> ;)
<ultama121> it'd be amazing if they just contract some Fuwanovel-er to translate Hatsumira
<herkz> like it's gonna be shit no matter what if they don't want to help
<ultama121> and then it does as well as Nekopara
<CoffeeFlux> wait
<CoffeeFlux> they wouldn't give you the video masters?
<Moogy> hatsumira is an all-ages game to begin with so they were probably considering some sort of overseas release w/ it
<CoffeeFlux> you had to work off the shit in the jp release?
<herkz> for the 18+ version
<herkz> yes
<herkz> prototype has them for the all ages version
<CoffeeFlux> wtf
<herkz> it'd probably cost money for frontwing to buy them back since they apparently lost them
<ultama121> given the complicated process to grab the ero patch for Hatsumira, i think you're right Moogy.  its all planned out
<herkz> and the entire point of this project is for frontwing to make as much money as possible
<herkz> so they're not gonna spend any money unless they have to
<Moogy> well the stated reason for hatsumira being all-ages is to make it easier to market and adapt into anime etc.
<Moogy> but i'm sure an international release is on their minds
<Moogy> at leastn ow
<Moogy> *now
<herkz> remember that frontwing raised the kickstarter goal by $40k for literally no reason
<Repiphany> More money!
<CoffeeFlux> after the kickstarter was created?
<herkz> no
<herkz> from the prefundia
<herkz> it was $100k at first
<CoffeeFlux> ah
<herkz> then they told us to make it $140k
<herkz> because they wanted more money
<CoffeeFlux> lovely
<Moogy> i try to assume the best about japanese companies but that's hard to do with FW :(
<herkz> it's funny because in the end they got way more money than they imagined
<herkz> and are still greedy as fuck
<Good_Haro> man and i thought minori was a handful, but they're actually helpful despite some of the silly stuff they do
<ultama121> its hard to believe that they're so willing to bite their newly monetized fandom that's generating quite a bit of revenue
<herkz> maybe if we're lucky chiruchiru won't sell very well and they'll realize they dont' know what they're doing
<herkz> don't*
<Good_Haro> are you sure they won't just blame you guys
<Good_Haro> for it doing badly
<herkz> i don't think that's possible
<Ayumii> or they say western market is useless
<Ayumii> :D
<Good_Haro> well they don't exactly sound like the most logical company...
<ultama121> they can't do that after they 475k on kickstarter Ayumii
<Ayumii> its frontwing after all
<Ayumii> they dont need a reason
<herkz> yeah they got like half of that as pure profit
<herkz> by doing nothing
<herkz> except uploading some files for us
<Moogy> and they had a hard time even doing that
<herkz> it's easy to forget apparently
<Good_Haro> lol...
<herkz> we couldn't even start on meikyuu for like a month because they didn't send us the files for the all ages version
<Good_Haro> I think moonstone got us the w happiness stuff in like a few hours after evo talked to them about doing it
<Good_Haro> + a bunch of extra stuff we didn't even ask for
<herkz> also there's not even an all ages pc build for meikyuu and rakuen
<herkz> so i guess doddler has to combine them himself
<Good_Haro> fun
<Moogy> i guess that's what happens when companies give a shit about their products
<Moogy> since FW doesn't seem to
<herkz> like i said, they're doing nearly nothing
<Ice_Rabbit> FW seems like a pretty shitty company in general
<Moogy> look now herkz. they found a bunch of obscure engine bugs and blamed them on doddler
<Moogy> that's a lot of work