#erisia: ~workshop new
@BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
+Watchog: im lagging so
+Watchog: sorry if i say things
+Watchog: 30 seconds later
#erisia: np
#erisia: so me and earth thought a good starting core for webs would be smeargle + malamar
#erisia: ~ws add Smeargle
@BB-8-NU: Smeargle added
#erisia: ~ws add Malamar
@BB-8-NU: Malamar added
+Watchog: ~ws add malamar
@BB-8-NU: Only the workshop host or a Room Moderator can add Pokemon
+Watchog: xD
#erisia: man balamar
#erisia: we were considering whether an offensive malamar set would be better
+Ov3r Ac3: i would add zangoose
+earth: such as 3 attacks + rest
#erisia: since with max speed adamant it outruns floatzel under webs
+earth: with chesto berry
  Relaxed Dedenne: nice name
  Relaxed Dedenne: Sticky Weebs
+MARCU5theBAW5: loool
+Watchog: sticky weebs
+Watchog: LOOL
#erisia: lol
  Relaxed Dedenne: am i the only onet hat noticed that
  Relaxed Dedenne: but besides the point erisia, i have ideas
+Ov3r Ac3: run zangoose
#erisia: !dt zangoose
+Ov3r Ac3: and altaria
+Ov3r Ac3: !dt altaria
#erisia: zangoose is strong af but please give reasoning with your suggestions
+Watchog: special samu is fun on webs
  Relaxed Dedenne: erisia but wait
  Relaxed Dedenne: if we run sticky webs and malamar
+MARCU5theBAW5: a mon that learns web + smeargle, opponent thinks its some bp stuff with webs lead, smeargle leads with web, the other mon has sd or something
+Watchog: and it can
+Watchog: function well
+Watchog: w/out webs
+Ov3r Ac3: zangoose is just a little to slow to be one of the main threats in nu but with sticky web it patches up that speed weakness
#erisia: yeah watchog
  Relaxed Dedenne: is smeargle the only webber
+Watchog: leavanny
+earth: there is leavanny
#erisia: we need this team to not 100% rely on webs to work
+Watchog: and ariados :P
+earth: but i prefer smeargle
  Relaxed Dedenne: o
  Relaxed Dedenne: k
#erisia: it still needs speed control for things like archeops and swellow
+Watchog: yeah most webs teams
+Watchog: need to function w/out webs incase u dont get them up
#erisia: and mismagius can be a royal pain too
#erisia: i'm thinking scarf rotom for a spinblocker
+Ov3r Ac3: yh
+Watchog: scarf rotom or our own mismag
+Watchog: we can run
+Watchog: 3 attacks taunt
+Ov3r Ac3: i used CB Gourg for my spinblocker
#erisia: because mismag on its own isn't fast enough to threaten archeops / swellow
+Watchog: ig tthats ture
#erisia: I ran offensive haunter on a webs team and it was underwhelming despite its power for that reason
#erisia: I like the idea of zangoose too but we should also try and give our team some defensive synergy
  PursuitOfHappiny: What's the team atm?
#erisia: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Smeargle / Malamar
  Samqian2: Earthy
  Samqian2: :3
+earth: hey sam!
+MARCU5theBAW5: i forgot that smeargle was a pokemon :/
#erisia: what are other people's thoughts on rotom?
#erisia: yeah smeargle has vanished from existence lol (hence the workshop)
+earth: scarf rotom would be great
+Watchog: i like it :p
#erisia: ok
#erisia: ~ws add Scarf Rotom
@BB-8-NU: Scarf Rotom added
#erisia: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Smeargle / Malamar / Scarf Rotom
#erisia: so what things do we need now
+Watchog: hm
#erisia: something to punish u-turns. a powerful wallbreaker in general
+Watchog: yeah we dont really
#erisia: a water resist / immune
+MARCU5theBAW5: does max spe steelix outspeed anything after web? cause i was thinking bout a sheer force steelix or something
+Watchog: have any immediate power
+Watchog: we have a sweeper and a cleaner :p
  Relaxed Dedenne: erisia is rotom - scarf a form
  Relaxed Dedenne: i'm confused
#erisia: no max speed lix isn't really fast enough
+earth: no
+earth: scarf regular rotom
  Relaxed Dedenne: oh
#erisia: no I just like to include sets in ~team
#erisia: so we're all on the same page
  Relaxed Dedenne: but wait wouldn't other malamars
  Relaxed Dedenne: rekt us
+Watchog: i really like
+Watchog: special samu on this team
#erisia: yeah we should include another malamar counter
  Samqian2: specs eruption camerupt
+Watchog: we can use
+Watchog: mixed samu :P
+Watchog: w megahorn
#erisia: I like samurott as an idea
+MARCU5theBAW5: sd pinsir?
#erisia: really we should be aiming for our abusers to be around that 200-240 speed tier
#erisia: as that gets the most general benefit from -1 speed
  Relaxed Dedenne: scyther comes to mind, but i'm bad at pokemon so..
#erisia: yeah pinsir sounds like a good malamar check
#erisia: how much does it take from +1 knock off?
  PursuitOfHappiny: Can we add Zangoose?
+earth: can you give a reasoning
+Watchog: n scyther doesnt rly fit
#erisia: obviously it's super powerful
#erisia: but we need abusers to contribute stuff other than just pure power
#erisia: as smeargle + malamar are pretty deadweight defensively
#erisia: alternatively we could use zangoose instead of malamar
+Watchog: n
+Watchog: malamar can do more than zangoose defensively
#erisia: yeah psychic immune is nice I guess
#erisia: lures weezing with psycho cut
#erisia: !learn malamar, x-scissor
+MARCU5theBAW5: are we using sub 3 atks
#erisia: I was thinking a fast set of some kind
+Watchog: x
#erisia: but yeah I like samurott because it does decently vs archeops too
+Watchog: we should
+Watchog: figure out mons first sets later
#erisia: but yeah samurott is also a decent malamar response
+Watchog: imo
+Watchog: this lag is soo bad :(
#erisia: 4 Atk Life Orb Samurott Megahorn vs. +1 252 HP / 4 Def Malamar: 333-395 (88.5 - 105%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
#erisia: okay if there are no objections to samurott
#erisia: ~ws add Mixed Samurott
@BB-8-NU: Mixed Samurott added
#erisia: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Smeargle / Malamar / Scarf Rotom / Mixed Samurott
#erisia: water resist is also nic
#erisia: not that it can do much to most
++Watchog: my ps crashed for
++Watchog: 2 minutes
++Watchog: ._.
#erisia: whoops
#erisia: so what else do we need for this team
#erisia: a good special switchin and good physical switchin would be nice
++Watchog: hmm
#erisia: either yama or magmortar looks good
++Watchog: mag always looks good :p
+earth: i'd like yama here
#erisia: yeah the extra ice/fire resist is nice
#erisia: and the lack of rocks weakness
+earth: yea
++Watchog: double dance rhydon!!!!
#erisia: alternatively we can do guts AV for a scald switch-in
++Watchog: i LOVE that set
++Watchog: :P
++Watchog: another thing i've really liked lately
++Watchog: is sub 3 attacks chan
+MARCU5theBAW5: i haven't seen a lo magmortar in so long
#erisia: LO mag is cool
#erisia: but I think AV fits this team better
++Watchog: cb watchog fits
++Watchog: not even
++Watchog: joking
#erisia: just cause we need at least some switchins with our speed tier
++Watchog: we also want
+MARCU5theBAW5: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Smeargle / Malamar / Scarf Rotom / Mixed Samurott
++Watchog: a ghost resist
+MARCU5theBAW5: rotom's 4th move is tbolt right?
++Watchog: yes
#erisia: smeargle is our ghost resist atm
++Watchog: what about
+earth: tbh
+earth: guts AV might look cool here
++Watchog: the cm 3 attacks lure audino
++Watchog: with psychic
#erisia: I was just thinking that watchog
#erisia: i mean its not really a lure with this team structure
#erisia: but it works
++Watchog: yeah true
#erisia: if we do that we should definitely have yama as our 5th
+earth: yea
#erisia: earth did you want to build this team or should i
++Watchog: i can build it
++Watchog: if u want
+earth: i can do it too
++Watchog: ok u do it
++Watchog: :P
+earth: alright
#erisia: well who's posting this
+earth: you are, aren't you?
++Watchog: !pick erisia, watchog, earth
++Watchog: :P
+earth: i mean thats not really my idea but if you want me to post it i will
++Watchog: !pick erisia, watchog, earth, MARCU5theBAW5, Ov3r Ac3, PursuitOfHappiny, PrinceOfAllSands
++Watchog: LOL
++Watchog: gotti
++Watchog: yeah erisia
++Watchog: u should post
#erisia: okay i'll build
#erisia: so for now
#erisia: ~ws add AV Yama
@BB-8-NU: AV Yama added
+MARCU5theBAW5: http://hastebin.com/ejasisixef.md is this what we going with or nah
#erisia: ~ws add CM Mega Audino
@BB-8-NU: CM Mega Audino added
#erisia: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Smeargle / Malamar / Scarf Rotom / Mixed Samurott / AV Yama / CM Mega Audino
++Watchog: oh
++Watchog: i think the
++Watchog: sub set is most optimal here
++Watchog: onmar
++Watchog: on mar*
#erisia: we should speed ev yama so it outruns like aurorus etc under webs
#erisia: if it hits 161 speed it outruns samurott under webs
#erisia: so that's 100 spe evs?
++Watchog: i think
++Watchog: auro hits
++Watchog: 157 under webs
#erisia: no it's 147
#erisia: 147 + 73 = 220
+MARCU5theBAW5: 100 spe hariyama hits 161
#erisia: depends what tier we want to hit
#erisia: outspeeding barb under webs also sounds really nice
++Watchog: 48 makes us
++Watchog: 148
+Ov3r Ac3: ~ws team
++Watchog: f
#erisia: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Smeargle / Malamar / Scarf Rotom / Mixed Samurott / AV Yama / CM Mega Audino
#erisia: ~ws remove AV yama
@BB-8-NU: AV yama is not in the team
#erisia: ~ws remove AV Yama
@BB-8-NU: AV Yama removed
#erisia: ~ws add AV Guts Yama
@BB-8-NU: AV Guts Yama added
#erisia: so do we still want CM on mega dino
#erisia: or would like twave / healing wish be better
++Watchog: hmm
#erisia: we already have malamar for luring poisons so i feel psychic is kinda unnecessary
++Watchog: yeah thats
++Watchog: a   good idea
#erisia: alternatively we could run grass knot on mega dino in the last slot
++Watchog: grass or surf
++Watchog: grass knot
#erisia: because twave makes basically anything fodder for yama
#erisia: having coverage for gastrodon somewhere seems nice
#erisia: also wait a second
#erisia: why does samurott have HYDRO CANNON
+MARCU5theBAW5: ok so
++Watchog: its a
+MARCU5theBAW5: i typed HYDRO in teambuilder
++Watchog: starter move
++Watchog: dummy
++Watchog: it is stonk!
++Watchog: !dt hydro cannon
#erisia: okay someone challenge me
++Watchog: pastebin the
++Watchog: final team
++Watchog: imo
#erisia: http://hastebin.com/esosilahib.md
#erisia: yeah we very clearly need a fairy check
+Ov3r Ac3: i need a fairy resist and a fighting resist
+Ov3r Ac3: u*
#erisia: so a poison type
+Ov3r Ac3: yh
#erisia: we could run like MUK
#erisia: CB gunk shot stylin on people
#erisia: absorbs t spikes
++Watchog: NOOOOO muk
++Watchog: :P
+Ov3r Ac3: what are all poison types in nu and pu?
#erisia: yeah i think either muk vileplume or garbodor would be good
+MARCU5theBAW5: !ds poison types, nu
#erisia: although plume is a poor mega dino check
+MARCU5theBAW5: ~~seviper~~
#erisia: imo garbodor because we need a good physical switchin
+Ov3r Ac3: for who
#erisia: just in general
+Ov3r Ac3: for who u switch
#erisia: although muk also seems like a decent choice as a poison type due to the extra power and stuff
#erisia: like fighters, scyther, etc
+EARTH: muk ;_;
#erisia: but yeah lets do garb
+Ov3r Ac3: who do you replace garb odor with
#erisia: http://hastebin.com/uyepirohej.md
#erisia: someone want a test match
#erisia: okay i think garb over audino fixed most of our problems as far as i know
+Ov3r Ac3: yh
#erisia: still running seed bomb for gastro
+Ov3r Ac3: u sort of lose to scarf jinx btw
#erisia: don't think sticky webs as that viable at all tbh as smeargle basically has to get skill swap perfect to be any use vs xatu
#erisia: although i guess nuzzle works too
+Ov3r Ac3: i wanna build round bulk up throh tbh
#erisia: unless anyone has any objections i'll close this now
#erisia: thanks for helping ^_^
#erisia: ~ws remove CM Mega Audino
@BB-8-NU: CM Mega Audino removed
#erisia: ~ws add Garbodor
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor added
#erisia: ~ws team
@BB-8-NU: Smeargle / Malamar / Scarf Rotom / Mixed Samurott / AV Guts Yama / Garbodor