<23:28:47> "Crumbs": Hi Khandamir
<23:28:51> "Crumbs": I just read that chat
<23:29:29> "Crumbs": Laurens said he won't be reporting however given his attitude during the attempted resolve and his in game conduct
<23:30:24> "Crumbs": I wish that he is either strongly demoted or removed from the UNMC. I do not want to report it but I won't be accused of baiting given what I showed you in the video.
<23:33:22> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": Maratek is fiercely motivated to make something out of the UNMC and that causes him, as tonight, to overstep.. He was fed up with being baited all the time and was mistaken into thinking this was baiting as well.. I do not wish to demote him over this, as I feel a lot of his ideas and enthousiasm can actually help us to improve a lot.. But we haven't had anything in our land upto last night and having to deal with people at the border is thus something we need to improve people on..
<23:36:02> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": One thing I think you guys are not counting into the situatioin is that before this video, you guys were told to leave the checkpoint.. our guys were called of their drugrun to help out.. Maratek did tell you you had 30 seconds to piss off or he would get angry, you told him you didnt care. I dont think telling a armed soldier you are not going to do as he says and speak back like that would be a wise idea, but you did it anyway.. Im not saying the shooting was right, he should never have done that without a better warning, but I can partly see where he is coming from, you guys coming abck after being told to leave and then putting up this attitude, ofc he is going to be agressive
<23:38:19> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": So, after speaking to the other generals we don't feel a demotion or removal is a option here, he will be spoken to about his behaviour and about the shooting.. But next time, don't come back for some funny intented roleplay after youve been told to leave,. You can describe it as him refusing roleplay, but based on the RP situation before this, you were told to leave, so how would it be realistic for him to be all cheerfull after you come back 10 minutes later? And put up that attitude? Sorry, but if I would have been ingame, I would have told them to knock you all out and zptie you..
<23:39:45> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": In the end, it is up to you if you feel he didnt resolve it properly, you have all the right to make a report out of it.. I can only apologize for the poor RP leading to the shooting, but apart from the lack of initiation, you got what you deserved there for coming back and putting up that attitude xD i mean you even said on TS you needed a ziptie brought to you
<23:41:19> "Crumbs": The ziptie was for Proctor, I just wanted to take him with us as you could tell from the video. I tried RPing the situation but when I got knocked out that is what I resorted to
<23:42:20> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": Well, i cant say you didnt deserve to be knocked out
<23:42:25> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": speaking to a soldier like that xD
<23:42:28> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": in his own CP
<23:43:11> "Crumbs": I had sniper cover, as they found out. I wouldn't have gotten so heated with the RP without it.
<23:43:32> "Crumbs": And I was right to put them in positions it seems
<23:44:18> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": well if you plan to have that attitude i'd recommend snipers yeah, you basically came in to bollock our recruit, which is okay in RP since he left your group., i can see that happening
<23:44:25> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": but when the corporal starts telling you to leave
<23:44:40> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": and you start denying his authorirty and telling him to shove it basically xD
<23:44:57> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": still let me be clear, he SHOULD have initiated better, way better
<23:45:07> "Crumbs": I genuinely didn't feel that my life was threatened at the point
<23:45:18> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": but i can kinda see how you coming in after being told to leave, with that attitude and with sniper backup on the hill, makes him think it is baiting
<23:45:50> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": how come? how do you know how many soldiers there are? from a RP point of view you are entering occupied territory
<23:46:19> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": just that you see one or two guys doesnt mean you can just parade around and think you are safe, it still should cause tension, should cause people, in RP, to be aware
<23:46:22> "Crumbs": The reason I put snipers where I did was becuase of the way the soldiers mannered themsleves on our last visit. Extremely aggressive
<23:47:12> "Crumbs": I know full well that in Adam and Kren I had two of the best marksmen on the island covering my back.
<23:48:18> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": hmm, well, i only ever see people be friendly when people are nice to us.. I can only asume that when you experience hostile attitude that has to do with the way you present yourselves at our border.. but thats pointless as we're discussing things both of us see on different times and under different circumstances.. I didnt hear Marateks attitude in the resolving, i apoligize if it was bad and he will be bollocked about it, but i am not going to remove or demote someone who has great ideas and actually seems to know what we should do and how to actually deserve to be whitelisted.. he's to much of an asett
<23:48:47> "Crumbs": I think I have it recorded
<23:50:31> "Crumbs": Scrap that, I only have the part when he admitts to being out of order
<23:50:32> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": well, upload it if you must.. but I have to admitt, i'd rather just put this behind us, if he went out of his way, try to have some understanding, life in UNMC has been far from fun or easy, more to describe as very, very frustrating.. we now finally have some things to do and it will be a bit rusty at the start, we will do everything we can to improve that over the coming days. if maratek does something like this again, he will be out, i cant accept that sort of behaviour in the UNMC
<23:51:32> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": he has admitted to it himself as well, so i dont think more can be done except if you insist that he gets punished by removal, which i really dont see the point in.. it will make him leavew the community again, thus there is no learning advantage in his removal, it wont make him improve or anything..
<23:54:57> "Crumbs": It's his choice what he does after but the way I see it is that he requested us to the staff help room just to insult us and accuse us of doing all the things which he did himslfe in the video. It's as if he thinks he's untouchable and can just go around calling out gangs and insulting our name out of RP. I cannot allow him to say things like he did about my gang and members, it's very childish and I ahve to say that it isn't the first time I've seen such actions from the UNMC.
<23:55:44> "Crumbs": Your own UNMC members even agreed that what he said was completely out of order and acting very aggressive and childish
<23:56:10> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": I didnt hear what he said.. and you said he agreed he was out of order and said sorry? so what more do you want from me?
<23:57:27> "Crumbs": I told you what I want on behalf of the people from my gang that were involved however you have made it clear that no punishment will be brought to him from your side.
<23:57:53> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": and i still dont understand how you can get so upset about being accused of baiting when what I hear from the situation, it partly is baiting.. I mean you get told to leave and then come back WITH that attitude.. sorry, but isnt that partly baiting?
<23:58:03> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": I will put your points to the other generals
<23:58:28> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": but dont think for a second you can hold me hostage with saying you want him demoted over him getting a bit upset out of game. You say yourself he admitted to being out of order
<23:58:54> "Crumbs": I have been in this situation myself and my out of character conduct lead to me being removed from my poistion in the police. I was also banned for it by staff members.
<23:59:07> "Crumbs": I don't see how this is any different?
<23:59:20> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": so you trying to insist on getting him punished ''in name of your gang'' kinda annoys me now buddy..
<23:59:32> "Crumbs": On behalf of the people involved
<23:59:39> "Crumbs": not the entire gang
<23:59:39> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": Very well
<23:59:45> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": Bring it to anotgher staff member
<23:59:56> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": I am done discussinfg this. All you want is him to be removed or demoted
<00:00:08> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": and i am not accepting you trying to dictate how I run my unbit
<00:00:18> "Crumbs": He made it clear that he didn't want oto resolve
<00:00:33> "Crumbs": This was the alternative to reporting
<00:00:58> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": And I am making it clear I am done trying to ''resolve'' this with you. You said he admitted to being out of order... to me, incase of a situation where two people disagree, that is a resolved situation
<00:01:01> "Crumbs": I am trying to get some resolve via you because he didn't want to himself
<00:01:14> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": You are trying to force me to punish someone
<00:02:31> "Crumbs": I'm not forcing you to do anything. I will do as you requested and take it to someone else. Sorry for taking up so much of your time.
<00:02:43> "[Khandamir] General Khandamir": As long as I can not hear whaty he said and how he was out of order, I can not just go and demote people because you say it was bad.. You even say he admitted to being wrong and now you only want to insist on a punishment for it regardless. Fine, if that is what you want, but you are not getting it from me. Report it on the forum if you must.
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