Remembering the Old Times

This is a setup that's incredibly relied on voting. Can't imagine how intense each vote would be with Judge, Politician, and Gallis.

Now, before I start listing the pros and cons of the setup, I'd like to let everyone know that I think no setup should be blacklisted if it actually involve convenient mafia gameplay. Meaning if it's not a complete pointfarm like the 3 Jailer setup, it should not be blacklisted. We must encourage people to be creative and not suppress their new ideas. If you think this is a pointfarm in any sort and it should be blacklisted, there are more setups like this one, just much more dull.

Setup begins in day start and it's a must-lynch with a whisper option. Strategy advises the Gallis to claim immediately as he'll stand out as the clear. I think then, he should gather the claims? Using whisper he can gather the claims and since there's only one of each role it'll not be too hard to correctly guess the mafia then. Taking this in mind, it seems like the Sniper's best option here is to just shoot the Gallis. That's what I'm feeling he should do here. He only has one player to CC, and putting in mind that's its a random alignment for Politician, Sniper most likely doesn't want to risk it.

So if it goes like this, there'll be 4 people left, strategy advises to massclaim once the sniper gun is shot. Now it all relies on the politician. Did he flip mafia? Or did he flip town? If he flipped mafia, then he'll actually have to resort to town-siding as if he forces NL his alignment will change to town the day after and actually cost him the game. The Sniper is on his own now. And he can choose to CC any role of Judge, Snoop, and Politician. Funny thing is, even if he wins the CC, he still loses the game like this, Sniper doesn't have a mafia meeting. Yeah, that didn't turn out bright.

Maybe it's the Sniper shot. I guess shooting Gallis is horrible, but who else can he shoot? If he shoots Judge, then town just loses their double vote. And mafia can actually win. If Politician did flip mafia, then they already won. I, I really don't know what to say here I mean... Sniper shot Judge... Politician flipped mafia, and game is over. Now that's one way to win as mafia!

If Sniper shot Snoop -SirDude believes it's horrible to have that happen for mafia- then Sniper will not lose... I mean, yes, now Politician will have to townside because Judge isn't dead, but Sniper at any moment can vote Gallis. This is a bit of a tricky situation here... You see, Sniper will CC a role, be it Judge, you can test in Judges by letting them vote each other. The vote that'll go through is the real Judge's vote. I'm not sure if the Politician's NL would count as two NLs though. Now, the Sniper will obviously refuse to vote the Judge because then he'll lose, once he's voted by all the town - remember it's probably hard for Politician already to recognize who's the real Judge in those two, that's if he's not CC'ed himself - Sniper can just vote the Gallis and he'll get him lynched. Problem is, once he's lynched the next day the Politician would've flipped town and he'll just end up losing the game anyway.

Yeah, this is deep. So Sniper can CC Politician, I mean he doesn't know what alignment he exactly flipped, but getting him lynched as mafia is avoiding a loss. If Sniper wins the Politician CC, the next day he can keep the minority vote on Gallis to make the game end in stalemate. That's it. There's no way out of it. Both sides lose. If politician however wins the CC, he'll count as alive mafia for one night, then flip town the next day and win - I presume that's what's supposed to happen - So I mean that's a lose-lose situation for Sniper here, but alternatively Politician can win.

Eh, descending down into this setup, you just have to know what you got to do. Especially as Sniper. I mean really, it's limited situations you can get here but, you really don't know what you're gonna get. You can deal with some situations identically, but it's your luck in the end.

I think a good element of this setup is the ability to have stalling for a purpose. Politician does keep flipping alignments, so it's an advantage for mafia that he can vote Gallis any day. But it all just seems so scripted like you really can't do anything about if X happens. Overall, I don't think this is too much fun, I'm with people downvoting just because it's not a good setup. But still don't blacklist it because it clearly isn't a pointfarm. Remember, OT2R Dawnstart once had a ratio of 70-30 to mafia's advantage.